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Roy Williams offically traded to Dallas (1 Viewer)

Other 2-stud-WR teams I'm reminded of:

Raiders with Jerry Rice and Tim Brown

Cardinals with Boldin and Fitzgerald

Vikings with Randy Moss and Chris Carter

Bengals with Housh and 85

Colts with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne

Packers with Donald Driver and Greg Jennings

Rams with Tory Holt and Isaac Bruce

We collectively need to stop thinking about this as a good or bad move for the Cowboys - NOT whether or not they paid too much.

The reason this site exists is for Fantasy F***ing Football - nothing else. If you want to whine about the 'Boys paying too much, go to http://espn.com/messageboards/closetedcowboyfans.meow

I think we should all weigh in as to if Roy Williams has a better value playing with the Cowboys or the Lions. As a Dynasty owner of RWill, I give it a big Thumbs Up :thumbup: T.O. is 35 and Romo is signed for life and loves to zing it around regardless of how good his running game is. I'm also a Witten owner and am not concerned if he turns out to be a #1 or #3 TE - there's a fine line and I'm not going to lose sleep on it.

Discuss...
None of those receiver combos. you mentioed had a TE like Witten on their team. The only team I can think of that had this sort of combo. was the Chargers with Joyner/Johnson/K.Winslow Sr. I don't know how the passes are going to be distributed but someone's going to be getting the short end of the stick. I think it will probably be RW simply because T.O. and Witten know the system better and have a certain rapport with their teammates. RW got his money so he shouldn't care too much while T.O. is still on the team.
What no one is talking about is the fact that Dallas now has a #1 and #2 WR with the same skill set. They do not complement each other. I think this is the begining of the end for TO as a Dallas Cowboy.
more important than skill set is mindset. Roy was just whining about being the 2nd receiver on the Lions, how's he going to feel now being 3rd? :goodposting:
He got paid, he's back in his home state for the long haul, he's got Tony Romo as his QB and is on a winning team now. I'm willing to bet he's doing cartwheels and not stressing too much about being the 3rd option on this team
 
Other 2-stud-WR teams I'm reminded of:

Raiders with Jerry Rice and Tim Brown

Cardinals with Boldin and Fitzgerald

Vikings with Randy Moss and Chris Carter

Bengals with Housh and 85

Colts with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne

Packers with Donald Driver and Greg Jennings

Rams with Tory Holt and Isaac Bruce

We collectively need to stop thinking about this as a good or bad move for the Cowboys - NOT whether or not they paid too much.

The reason this site exists is for Fantasy F***ing Football - nothing else. If you want to whine about the 'Boys paying too much, go to http://espn.com/messageboards/closetedcowboyfans.meow

I think we should all weigh in as to if Roy Williams has a better value playing with the Cowboys or the Lions. As a Dynasty owner of RWill, I give it a big Thumbs Up :lmao: T.O. is 35 and Romo is signed for life and loves to zing it around regardless of how good his running game is. I'm also a Witten owner and am not concerned if he turns out to be a #1 or #3 TE - there's a fine line and I'm not going to lose sleep on it.

Discuss...
None of those receiver combos. you mentioed had a TE like Witten on their team. The only team I can think of that had this sort of combo. was the Chargers with Joyner/Johnson/K.Winslow Sr. I don't know how the passes are going to be distributed but someone's going to be getting the short end of the stick. I think it will probably be RW simply because T.O. and Witten know the system better and have a certain rapport with their teammates. RW got his money so he shouldn't care too much while T.O. is still on the team.
What no one is talking about is the fact that Dallas now has a #1 and #2 WR with the same skill set. They do not complement each other. I think this is the begining of the end for TO as a Dallas Cowboy.
more important than skill set is mindset. Roy was just whining about being the 2nd receiver on the Lions, how's he going to feel now being 3rd? :boxing:
He got paid, he's back in his home state for the long haul, he's got Tony Romo as his QB and is on a winning team now. I'm willing to bet he's doing cartwheels and not stressing too much about being the 3rd option on this team
Also just as was said he is the 3rd wr option, he is also the 3 rd option really 4th option (MB3) that a defense can focus on. That spells big plays for RW. He may not be a consistent numbers guy but I bet he puts up some nice number totals at the end of a year. If you can get this guy in a dynasty from a guy that has his Dallas hater glasses on do it now.
 
Other 2-stud-WR teams I'm reminded of:

Raiders with Jerry Rice and Tim Brown

Cardinals with Boldin and Fitzgerald

Vikings with Randy Moss and Chris Carter

Bengals with Housh and 85

Colts with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne

Packers with Donald Driver and Greg Jennings

Rams with Tory Holt and Isaac Bruce

We collectively need to stop thinking about this as a good or bad move for the Cowboys - NOT whether or not they paid too much.

The reason this site exists is for Fantasy F***ing Football - nothing else. If you want to whine about the 'Boys paying too much, go to http://espn.com/messageboards/closetedcowboyfans.meow

I think we should all weigh in as to if Roy Williams has a better value playing with the Cowboys or the Lions. As a Dynasty owner of RWill, I give it a big Thumbs Up :mellow: T.O. is 35 and Romo is signed for life and loves to zing it around regardless of how good his running game is. I'm also a Witten owner and am not concerned if he turns out to be a #1 or #3 TE - there's a fine line and I'm not going to lose sleep on it.

Discuss...
None of those receiver combos. you mentioed had a TE like Witten on their team. The only team I can think of that had this sort of combo. was the Chargers with Joyner/Johnson/K.Winslow Sr. I don't know how the passes are going to be distributed but someone's going to be getting the short end of the stick. I think it will probably be RW simply because T.O. and Witten know the system better and have a certain rapport with their teammates. RW got his money so he shouldn't care too much while T.O. is still on the team.
What no one is talking about is the fact that Dallas now has a #1 and #2 WR with the same skill set. They do not complement each other. I think this is the begining of the end for TO as a Dallas Cowboy.
If having another wr that has the same skill set as TO is a bad thing I love being bad. It is much better then having a #2 wr that has no skill set to be a starter and only hinders what this offense can be. TO can get deep on anyone it is just that the coverage was being rolled almost to no end, now they do that someone will be man on man RW or Witten. Before with Crayton going man on man it was no biggie he would get open maybe 50% of the time and then the other 50% he would drop a big play. Both these wr's can beat you in many different ways, it is a positive move to add a wr that needs to be respected on the other side of Owens. Romo is the #1 qb by far fantasy wise and this only makes Dallas more lethal on offense in real life. Problem big problem for the rest of the league. Not saying they are the odds on favorite or anything like that but just to say that it was a bad move is just being blind to the facts.
:goodposting: Having similar skill sets may be a hindrance, but TO and Roy-W have the same skill set of being great all-around WRs, which in reality is the best 1-2 punch.

Based on the previous post, thats like saying having Lee Evans and Muhsin Muhammaed would be a better duo bc one is a deep threat and one is a possession WR. Its a reasonable thought on paper, but that doesnt mean it makes sense even half the time

It certainly doesnt apply to TO and Roy-W. Both can go deep, both dont mind going over the middle, both have speed, both have size.

This probably makes them the 2nd best WR duo in the NFL behind Fitz and Boldin.

 
Other 2-stud-WR teams I'm reminded of:

Raiders with Jerry Rice and Tim Brown

Cardinals with Boldin and Fitzgerald

Vikings with Randy Moss and Chris Carter

Bengals with Housh and 85

Colts with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne

Packers with Donald Driver and Greg Jennings

Rams with Tory Holt and Isaac Bruce

We collectively need to stop thinking about this as a good or bad move for the Cowboys - NOT whether or not they paid too much.

The reason this site exists is for Fantasy F***ing Football - nothing else. If you want to whine about the 'Boys paying too much, go to http://espn.com/messageboards/closetedcowboyfans.meow

I think we should all weigh in as to if Roy Williams has a better value playing with the Cowboys or the Lions. As a Dynasty owner of RWill, I give it a big Thumbs Up :shrug: T.O. is 35 and Romo is signed for life and loves to zing it around regardless of how good his running game is. I'm also a Witten owner and am not concerned if he turns out to be a #1 or #3 TE - there's a fine line and I'm not going to lose sleep on it.

Discuss...
None of those receiver combos. you mentioed had a TE like Witten on their team. The only team I can think of that had this sort of combo. was the Chargers with Joyner/Johnson/K.Winslow Sr. I don't know how the passes are going to be distributed but someone's going to be getting the short end of the stick. I think it will probably be RW simply because T.O. and Witten know the system better and have a certain rapport with their teammates. RW got his money so he shouldn't care too much while T.O. is still on the team.
What no one is talking about is the fact that Dallas now has a #1 and #2 WR with the same skill set. They do not complement each other. I think this is the begining of the end for TO as a Dallas Cowboy.
If having another wr that has the same skill set as TO is a bad thing I love being bad. It is much better then having a #2 wr that has no skill set to be a starter and only hinders what this offense can be. TO can get deep on anyone it is just that the coverage was being rolled almost to no end, now they do that someone will be man on man RW or Witten. Before with Crayton going man on man it was no biggie he would get open maybe 50% of the time and then the other 50% he would drop a big play. Both these wr's can beat you in many different ways, it is a positive move to add a wr that needs to be respected on the other side of Owens. Romo is the #1 qb by far fantasy wise and this only makes Dallas more lethal on offense in real life. Problem big problem for the rest of the league. Not saying they are the odds on favorite or anything like that but just to say that it was a bad move is just being blind to the facts.
In 2001 TO had JJ Stokes opposite him and he put up 93/1412/16. There were no complaints about coverage rolling TO's way. In 2002 TO had Tai Streets opposite him and he put up 100/1300/13. There were no complaints about coverage rolling TO's way.

In 2004 TO had Todd Pinkston opposite him and he put up 77/1200/14. There were no complaints about coverage rolling TO's way.

In 2007 TO had Jason Witten opposite him and he put up 81/1355/15. There were no complaints about coverage rolling TO's way.

I'll ask again: why is it that suddenly TO needs a WR opposite him for the offense to work successfully and get him the ball enough? Isn't the definition of a true #1 WR that they'll produce no matter who is opposite them in the lineup?

 
Other 2-stud-WR teams I'm reminded of:

Raiders with Jerry Rice and Tim Brown

Cardinals with Boldin and Fitzgerald

Vikings with Randy Moss and Chris Carter

Bengals with Housh and 85

Colts with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne

Packers with Donald Driver and Greg Jennings

Rams with Tory Holt and Isaac Bruce

We collectively need to stop thinking about this as a good or bad move for the Cowboys - NOT whether or not they paid too much.

The reason this site exists is for Fantasy F***ing Football - nothing else. If you want to whine about the 'Boys paying too much, go to http://espn.com/messageboards/closetedcowboyfans.meow

I think we should all weigh in as to if Roy Williams has a better value playing with the Cowboys or the Lions. As a Dynasty owner of RWill, I give it a big Thumbs Up :porked: T.O. is 35 and Romo is signed for life and loves to zing it around regardless of how good his running game is. I'm also a Witten owner and am not concerned if he turns out to be a #1 or #3 TE - there's a fine line and I'm not going to lose sleep on it.

Discuss...
None of those receiver combos. you mentioed had a TE like Witten on their team. The only team I can think of that had this sort of combo. was the Chargers with Joyner/Johnson/K.Winslow Sr. I don't know how the passes are going to be distributed but someone's going to be getting the short end of the stick. I think it will probably be RW simply because T.O. and Witten know the system better and have a certain rapport with their teammates. RW got his money so he shouldn't care too much while T.O. is still on the team.
What no one is talking about is the fact that Dallas now has a #1 and #2 WR with the same skill set. They do not complement each other. I think this is the begining of the end for TO as a Dallas Cowboy.
That is silly. They are both great at everything... two complete WR studs. They compliment each other perfectly. What is also great is that you have a #3 receiver in Crayton who will be GREAT at the short hook routes, ect... to go along with them, and an amazing tight end..... AND a back (two when Felix returns) that can catch from the backfield as well. TO will most likely retire as a Cowboy... but you have to remember his age. Of course they are looking towards the future as well.
 
Other 2-stud-WR teams I'm reminded of:

Raiders with Jerry Rice and Tim Brown

Cardinals with Boldin and Fitzgerald

Vikings with Randy Moss and Chris Carter

Bengals with Housh and 85

Colts with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne

Packers with Donald Driver and Greg Jennings

Rams with Tory Holt and Isaac Bruce

We collectively need to stop thinking about this as a good or bad move for the Cowboys - NOT whether or not they paid too much.

The reason this site exists is for Fantasy F***ing Football - nothing else. If you want to whine about the 'Boys paying too much, go to http://espn.com/messageboards/closetedcowboyfans.meow

I think we should all weigh in as to if Roy Williams has a better value playing with the Cowboys or the Lions. As a Dynasty owner of RWill, I give it a big Thumbs Up :no: T.O. is 35 and Romo is signed for life and loves to zing it around regardless of how good his running game is. I'm also a Witten owner and am not concerned if he turns out to be a #1 or #3 TE - there's a fine line and I'm not going to lose sleep on it.

Discuss...
None of those receiver combos. you mentioed had a TE like Witten on their team. The only team I can think of that had this sort of combo. was the Chargers with Joyner/Johnson/K.Winslow Sr. I don't know how the passes are going to be distributed but someone's going to be getting the short end of the stick. I think it will probably be RW simply because T.O. and Witten know the system better and have a certain rapport with their teammates. RW got his money so he shouldn't care too much while T.O. is still on the team.
What no one is talking about is the fact that Dallas now has a #1 and #2 WR with the same skill set. They do not complement each other. I think this is the begining of the end for TO as a Dallas Cowboy.
If having another wr that has the same skill set as TO is a bad thing I love being bad. It is much better then having a #2 wr that has no skill set to be a starter and only hinders what this offense can be. TO can get deep on anyone it is just that the coverage was being rolled almost to no end, now they do that someone will be man on man RW or Witten. Before with Crayton going man on man it was no biggie he would get open maybe 50% of the time and then the other 50% he would drop a big play. Both these wr's can beat you in many different ways, it is a positive move to add a wr that needs to be respected on the other side of Owens. Romo is the #1 qb by far fantasy wise and this only makes Dallas more lethal on offense in real life. Problem big problem for the rest of the league. Not saying they are the odds on favorite or anything like that but just to say that it was a bad move is just being blind to the facts.
In 2001 TO had JJ Stokes opposite him and he put up 93/1412/16. There were no complaints about coverage rolling TO's way. In 2002 TO had Tai Streets opposite him and he put up 100/1300/13. There were no complaints about coverage rolling TO's way.

In 2004 TO had Todd Pinkston opposite him and he put up 77/1200/14. There were no complaints about coverage rolling TO's way.

In 2007 TO had Jason Witten opposite him and he put up 81/1355/15. There were no complaints about coverage rolling TO's way.

I'll ask again: why is it that suddenly TO needs a WR opposite him for the offense to work successfully and get him the ball enough? Isn't the definition of a true #1 WR that they'll produce no matter who is opposite them in the lineup?
It isn't as if TO isn't producing already. However... there was a huge dropoff between TO and Crayton. Crayton simply can't get any seperation from a man to man coverage from one good cornerback. TO was being double teamed this year on basically every play. You can only use Witten in the passing game so much. Now... nobody said that this move is for TO. This move will help EVERYONE... TO will have less coverage... Williams will have great opportunities, as obviously they can't not cover TO... then teams will have a hell of a time trying to put a worthwhile defender on Witten. This is perfect.
 
TO and Roy-W have the same skill set of being great all-around WRs
That is silly. They are both great at everything... two complete WR studs.
You guys can't possibly be talking about the Roy Williams that the Lions just traded.I know not many people watch the Lions and I don't blame them, but Roy Williams hasn't played like a "great all-around WR" or "complete WR stud" in years. In fact, he's been a liability.The guy can't catch. At all. I'm talking 3-4 drops a game. His route running is terrible. No one is better at gaining 9 yards on 3rd and 10. He has the football smarts and maturity of a 4-year-old.Yes, I know, Roy is a physical freak. And maybe playing Dallas will bring out the best in him. But the way he's been playing, he's a long way from even being a competent receiver, much less a stud.
 
The question now, is when do you start Roy Williams. As a Fitzgerald/Roy Williams/Brandon Marshall owner, I am trying to decide if it's going to take Williams a couple of weeks of learning the system before he's a productive #3 WR for my 3wr league. Having no depth at WR, I have a possible trade on the board (J. Stewart for D. Bowe) to give me somewhat of a buffer this week if needed. Not that I was depending on Williams for anything at all, the way things were going in Detroit.

 
TO and Roy-W have the same skill set of being great all-around WRs
That is silly. They are both great at everything... two complete WR studs.
You guys can't possibly be talking about the Roy Williams that the Lions just traded.I know not many people watch the Lions and I don't blame them, but Roy Williams hasn't played like a "great all-around WR" or "complete WR stud" in years. In fact, he's been a liability.The guy can't catch. At all. I'm talking 3-4 drops a game. His route running is terrible. No one is better at gaining 9 yards on 3rd and 10. He has the football smarts and maturity of a 4-year-old.Yes, I know, Roy is a physical freak. And maybe playing Dallas will bring out the best in him. But the way he's been playing, he's a long way from even being a competent receiver, much less a stud.
If I were you I would try to pretend that he doesn't exist because you are going to be a little ticked off at how good he can be in a good organization.
 
TO will most likely retire as a Cowboy... but you have to remember his age. Of course they are looking towards the future as well.
I can't wait to see how this plays out with these sorts of questions being lobbed at TO by the media."TO, when are you planning on retiring?"

"TO, do you think Roy will be able to replace you once you retire?"

 
I wonder if Jerry Jones ever wishes he could have that one back.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-williamsextension101408

Cowboys quickly offer Williams new deal

Jason Cole

By Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. – After acquiring WR Roy Williams from the Lions for three NFL draft picks, the Dallas Cowboys agreed to terms with him on a new contract through the 2013 season, owner Jerry Jones confirmed from the owners meetings.

“This year plus an additional five,” Jones said of the pending pact for Williams, acquired for a first-, third- and sixth-round pick in 2009.

Financial terms of Williams’ contract were undisclosed. In addition, the Cowboys will receive Detroit’s seventh-round pick next year.

For Jones, it was welcome news after a brutal past week in which cornerback Adam Jones has been suspended indefinitely for his role in an off-field fight last week, and quarterback Tony Romo, receiver Sam Hurd, corner Terence Newman, running back Felix Jones, punter Mat McBriar and outside linebacker Anthony Spencer have suffered injuries or had surgery.

“This is good news, finally,” said Jerry Jones, whose team will also receive a fifth-round draft pick from the Titans as a result of Adam Jones’ suspension. “This gives us another threat on the other side of Terrell (Owens). That’s something that (offensive coordinator) Jason Garrett and I talked about during the offseason, getting another big-time threat on the other side to go with (Owens) and (tight end) Jason Witten.”

During his first four years with Detroit, Williams averaged 61 receptions a season. The seventh overall pick in the ’04 draft out of Texas, Williams was second on the team this year with 17 receptions.

Jerry Jones made no secret that he has been pursuing Williams for a long time.

“We’ve been talking to the Lions for two years about Roy, who is very familiar to us being from Texas,” Jones said. “I talked to them again just before the draft and at the most recent owners meetings and we finally were able to get something done.”

As for concerns about how Williams will coexist with the emotional Owens, Jones smiled.

“I called Terrell and he was ecstatic,” Jones revealed. “He was the first person I called after I talked to Roy. As soon as Terrell heard he said, ‘Give me Roy’s number, I have to call him,’.”

Epilogue

Williams was traded to the Dallas Cowboys on October 14, 2008 for first, third and sixth round picks in the 2009 NFL Draft (the Cowboys also received a seventh round pick from the Lions in the 2010 draft). He was then signed to a new contract through the 2014 season; Roy Williams agreed to a 6 year, $54 million contract, along with $26 million guaranteed. After being traded mid-season to the Cowboys, Williams started seven games, caught 19 passes for 198 yards and one touchdown. By the close of the 2010 season, Williams had totaled 94 regular season catches for the Cowboys. He was released by the Cowboys on July 28, 2011.

 
#20: Dallas → Detroit (PD). Dallas traded its first-, third-, and sixth-round selections (20th, 82nd, and 192nd overall, used to select Brandon Pettigrew, Derrick Williams, and Aaron Brown, respectively) to Detroit for wide receiver Roy Williams and a seventh-round selection (210th overall, traded to Atlanta, who selected Vance Walker).

Brandon Pettigrew TE 43 games 184 catches 1845 yds 11 TD with Detroit.

Derrick Williams WR 18 games 9 catches 82 yds 0 TD waived Sept 3, 2011. Signed by Pittsburgh Jan 2012.

Aaron Brown RB 22 games 45 carries 189 yards 0 TD 18 catches 138 yds 1 TD. Cut by Detroit Sept 4, 2011. Resigned Nov 28, 2011, and cut Dec 27, 2011. Cut by Cincy Aug 24, 2012.

Vance Walker DT 42 games 32 tackles 16 assisted 2 sacks with Atlanta.

 
Funny to drag this up now and see that even though the trade was awful, Detroit really did nothing with the picks. Pettigrew may end up being good but to this point he hasnt been a star. The other guys were bums.

Would have been nice to draft an OL with that pick though....

 
#20: Dallas → Detroit (PD). Dallas traded its first-, third-, and sixth-round selections (20th, 82nd, and 192nd overall, used to select Brandon Pettigrew, Derrick Williams, and Aaron Brown, respectively) to Detroit for wide receiver Roy Williams and a seventh-round selection (210th overall, traded to Atlanta, who selected Vance Walker).Brandon Pettigrew TE 43 games 184 catches 1845 yds 11 TD with Detroit.Derrick Williams WR 18 games 9 catches 82 yds 0 TD waived Sept 3, 2011. Signed by Pittsburgh Jan 2012.Aaron Brown RB 22 games 45 carries 189 yards 0 TD 18 catches 138 yds 1 TD. Cut by Detroit Sept 4, 2011. Resigned Nov 28, 2011, and cut Dec 27, 2011. Cut by Cincy Aug 24, 2012.Vance Walker DT 42 games 32 tackles 16 assisted 2 sacks with Atlanta.
the next 3 picks were harvin, alex mack and micheal oher. nicks, britt and clay mathews went a few picks later. 6 of those next 10 picks turned into great players. dallas wouldn't have picked pettigrew with witten. odds are they would have grabbed one of those guyswill be cool to look back and see what washington gave up to get rg3.
 
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Funny to drag this up now and see that even though the trade was awful, Detroit really did nothing with the picks. Pettigrew may end up being good but to this point he hasnt been a star. The other guys were bums. Would have been nice to draft an OL with that pick though....
I agree..much was made of this trade but it really was nothing.
 

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