Roy Williams offically traded to Dallas (1 Viewer)

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

anyone know what the trade actually was. any links?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

anyone know what the trade actually was. any links?

I feel like a kid on christmas.

Williams trade came together on final day

by Tom Kowalski

Tuesday October 14, 2008, 6:41 PM

Detroit Lions general manager Martin Mayhew insists that when he said on Monday afternoon that he had no intention of trading receiver Roy Williams, he meant it. And when he told Williams that he wasn't going to be shopped by the team, he meant that, too.

A little more than 24 hours later, though, Williams was not only shopped by the Lions but he was finally dealt to the Dallas Cowboys, who also received a seventh-round 2009 draft pick. In return, the Lions get a first-, third- and sixth-round pick next season.

Mayhew said that when he talked to reporters about 1 p.m. Monday, he had no firm offers for Williams.

"There were some teams who said, 'If he becomes available, let us know,''' said Mayhew, adding that he received a firm offer from a team later on Monday afternoon. Mayhew then took that offer and shopped it to those other teams, trying to get a better deal (Mayhew said five or six teams were involved).

Mayhew then called Williams and told him there were some trade discussions. "I told Roy that if things got interesting, I'd give him a call,'' Mayhew said.

Mayhew continued to talk to teams on Tuesday morning and into the early afternoon. When teams were balking at Detroit's deep asking price, Mayhew called Williams about 1 p.m. and told him he didn't think a deal would get done and to expect to remain with the Lions for the rest of the season.

It wasn't until about 3:30 p.m. -- 30 minutes before the trade deadline -- that the Lions and Cowboys had agreed to terms of the trade. However, there was still a major obstacle: Because Williams is in the final year of his contract, the Cowboys wanted to talk to Williams' agent about an extension before they signed off on the trade. Mayhew granted permission for Dallas to begin contract negotiations and, at 3:45 p.m., the Cowboys informed Mayhew that the trade would be completed. Williams agreed to a five-year contract with the Cowboys.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

My 0.02.On one hand the deal seems like a win for Det. They get a 1rst/3rd and some other late picks from a guy they were going to lose anyway. They have to be happy from a value standpoint. On the other hand, they have to be disapointed to have another star want out and have to resort to trading. This is what hurts that franchise.For the Cowboys, this fills a need they were going to address through the draft anyway (likely with their first pick). I think it's fair to say the Roy > who every would be available whe the Cowboy pick next year. It's also NOT like the Cowboys don't have other picks. They still have new blood coming. My only concern is Williams is his work ethic. He is known for quitting on routes and not practicing hard. If he can get his head on straight this is a fantastic deal.For now though...it's just OK.

Here's why I don't think it's OK.I personally don't believe you win championships with wide receivers. You win by protecting your QB, rushing the football and putting pressure on the other QB.It's sounds very simplistic but hard to do. Roy Williams will NOT help do any of those things and he's not worth a first round, 3rd and 6th with a 7th coming back.

 

[amnesiac]

that's a heck of a haul for the Lions. looks like things are beginning to turn around in Detroit already.

 

[EFD]

Why wouldn't the Cowboys just wait till the offseason then sign RW and keep their draft picks?

I guess they figure RW is the missing piece to the "how do we win a playoff game" puzzle.

 

[mozzy84]

wow good for the lions, this would have never happened with millen. No clue what dallas is thinking...

 

[BalcoBomber]

Why wouldn't the Cowboys just wait till the offseason then sign RW and keep their draft picks?I guess they figure RW is the missing piece to the "how do we win a playoff game" puzzle.

With all other teams falling around them, this could be their year. Watch Brad Johnson step in and provide 250 yards and 2 Tds

 

[BigJim®]

That whole Chad Johnson buttering-up-Dallas thing is suddenly a little awkward.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I feel like a kid on christmas.

I can't believe the Lions got that much for Roy.

 

[Synthesizer]

Giving the Lions a 1st round draft pick is like giving the Clippers a 1st round draft pick. Until they prove otherwise, I'm going to assume that the player they take will end up leaving town a few years later with his head hung low.

 

[Mustang Man]

Why wouldn't the Cowboys just wait till the offseason then sign RW and keep their draft picks?I guess they figure RW is the missing piece to the "how do we win a playoff game" puzzle.

With all other teams falling around them, this could be their year. Watch Brad Johnson step in and provide 250 yards and 2 Tds

This year is wide open and if Dallas gets their injured players back and good to go for the stretch run they area as good as anyone. Why not go for it this year, stupid not to. That is what this year was all about anyways. I think everyone wants Dallas to just fold it. Not going to freaken happen bud!

 

[CravenM]

Other 2-stud-WR teams I'm reminded of:

Raiders with Jerry Rice and Tim Brown

Cardinals with Boldin and Fitzgerald

Vikings with Randy Moss and Chris Carter

Bengals with Housh and 85

Colts with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne

Packers with Donald Driver and Greg Jennings

Rams with Tory Holt and Isaac Bruce

We collectively need to stop thinking about this as a good or bad move for the Cowboys - NOT whether or not they paid too much.

The reason this site exists is for Fantasy F***ing Football - nothing else. If you want to whine about the 'Boys paying too much, go to http://espn.com/messageboards/closetedcowboyfans.meow

I think we should all weigh in as to if Roy Williams has a better value playing with the Cowboys or the Lions. As a Dynasty owner of RWill, I give it a big Thumbs Up T.O. is 35 and Romo is signed for life and loves to zing it around regardless of how good his running game is. I'm also a Witten owner and am not concerned if he turns out to be a #1 or #3 TE - there's a fine line and I'm not going to lose sleep on it.

Discuss...

 

[MutantEnemies]

Giving the Lions a 1st round draft pick is like giving the Clippers a 1st round draft pick. Until they prove otherwise, I'm going to assume that the player they take will end up leaving town a few years later with his head hung low.

Aaron Kelly, welcome to the Detroit Lions.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I'm fairly certain Dallas wouldn't dream of offering a #1 for Roy Williams.

If anything that's Detroit fabricating to try and drive up the price on a guy that only one team might want to deal for.

How did this work out?

 

[TD5150]

I'm fairly certain Dallas wouldn't dream of offering a #1 for Roy Williams.

If anything that's Detroit fabricating to try and drive up the price on a guy that only one team might want to deal for.

Foot meet mouth.

 

[Urinal Mint]

I'm fairly certain Dallas wouldn't dream of offering a #1 for Roy Williams.

If anything that's Detroit fabricating to try and drive up the price on a guy that only one team might want to deal for.

Foot meet mouth.

 

[MSULions]

Good luck to ROY. He is a gifted receiver, and I really wish he had been given a chance to shine in Detroit. Too bad the Lions blow... :(

Given a chance to shine? Holy crap. Roy was given EVERY chance to shine in Detroit. No matter how many passes he dropped, how many times he caught a ball that should've been a first down and ran backwards with it, no matter how much he showboated over meaningless crap, the Lions kept him on the field and kept trying to get him the ball.The Lions targetted him 18 TIMES against the Bears, even though he was dropping passes, pouting and acting like a 4-year-old all game.

The problem isn't that Roy Williams hasn't had a chance to shine. It's that he's had it and squandered it because he isn't very good.

 

[MSULions]

I can't wait to see what Dallas fans do when Roy does his patented first down point in the 4th quarter when the Cowboys are losing again in the playoffs. (I know I know..."at least he'll sniff the playoffs!")....seriously...the combo of Terrell "Usain Bolt" Owens td celebrations and Roy's first down shenanigans has the potential to be pure gold. I bet they have a celebration-off by week 12.

 

[FUBAR]

This reminds me of Herschel Walker.

While not near that deal, this can set the Lions up nicely for the future.

 

[Bojang0301]

wow good for the lions, this would have never happened with millen. No clue what dallas is thinking...

Oh, really. Like the time Millen got the Browns to trade up one spot for a second rounder. This is the Lions. They make these deals then they screw them up.

 

[Mustang Man]

This reminds me of Herschel Walker.While not near that deal, this can set the Lions up nicely for the future.

Sure t is a good deal for the Lions. They need to look to the future WAY in the future so these picks will help. Dallas needs to be looking at the next 3 years counting this one. Roy will be a huge part of that. Good deal for both.

 

[chris1969]

Does this mean that the Lions will draft 2 WR's in the first round next year?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

This reminds me of Herschel Walker.While not near that deal, this can set the Lions up nicely for the future.

Three first rounders, three second rounders, a swap of third rounders and a handfull of very serviceable players including Solomen, Holt, and Nelson can build a franchise. This deal, well Detroit got outstanding value for a guy who may have walked without comepensation or who may have been a pall over the coming regime. Detroit did well.Dallas got fair value given the bust rate for draft picks. They however overpaid given the full scenario.Defense wins cahmpionships and the Cowboys defense has very real, if temporary issues. The offense didn't need help. The defense is about one injury away from completely crumbling. The defense needs the help. If Ware goes out, or even spears or any D.B. they are done. I think they currently have a hot dog vendor and a carpet installer playing saftey and cornor in their dime package.

 

[Manster]

This reminds me of Herschel Walker.While not near that deal, this can set the Lions up nicely for the future.

Sure t is a good deal for the Lions. They need to look to the future WAY in the future so these picks will help. Dallas needs to be looking at the next 3 years counting this one. Roy will be a huge part of that. Good deal for both.

yea, i think this could be a nice trade for the Cowboys. they still have a lot of draft picks next season, and they needed to address WR anyway. did they give too much, probably. i like the idea of TO, Witten, Roy. although maybe they should have tried to trade for a shutdown corner.

 

[Mustang Man]

This reminds me of Herschel Walker.While not near that deal, this can set the Lions up nicely for the future.

Sure t is a good deal for the Lions. They need to look to the future WAY in the future so these picks will help. Dallas needs to be looking at the next 3 years counting this one. Roy will be a huge part of that. Good deal for both.

yea, i think this could be a nice trade for the Cowboys. they still have a lot of draft picks next season, and they needed to address WR anyway. did they give too much, probably. i like the idea of TO, Witten, Roy. although maybe they should have tried to trade for a shutdown corner.

What corner was out there to get? I did not hear of one and plus when Newman comes back the secondary is good to go. Man they got to go 2-1 the next 3 then they have a legit shot at making a real good run. The Giants will have big trouble trying to defend all the weapons Dallas has. they could not deal with Clev minus Winslow wow. Look out.

 

[yinzer]

I'm fairly certain Dallas wouldn't dream of offering a #1 for Roy Williams.

If anything that's Detroit fabricating to try and drive up the price on a guy that only one team might want to deal for.

Foot meet mouth.

Im not a Dallas fan by any means, but lets put this #1 pick into perspective.This isnt HOU trading their #1, its Dallas. This pick is likely going to be in the low 20's of the first round. Its not like DAL is trading a top 10 pick

That said, I think depends on how Roy-Dub shows up in DAL. Hes got all the talent, and now has the talent around him. So does he finally put up those big time numbers?

Im not so sure DAL overpaid. Probably their weakest position was WR, and they just got a very good 1.

Like many said though preseason, they look great on paper, but apparently everything hasnt clicked. Well see how Roy helps this.

 

[RudeDog]

Does anyone actually think that it takes more than single coverage to cover Roy Williams any more?

How did Moss do when he moved from woeful Oakland to a team he really wanted to play for ?I'll withhold judgement for now, but we should see quite quickly what Roy is truely capable of in an environment where he is happy and motivated.

 

[Tyrion]

Excellent trade for both teams.

Detroit gets some more ammo for the draft as well as more ammo for finding a new GM. GMs love drafting their own guys so this should help make them more attractive.

Dallas needs a spark and this could help. Thank you Pacman for helping out by getting suspended and giving Dallas the extra 6th rounder.

I don't see any difference in this price and what was being thrown around last year before the draft. If defenses can find away to cover TO, Roy Williams and Witten with Crayton running the slot, while also stopping Barber/Felix coming out of the backfield then we need to find a new OC. Wade and Jason you need to go to Jerry and give him a big hug because the man has done everything he can for you. As a Cowboy fan I know that I very much appreciate it.

The best help we can give our defense is to put up more points and sustain more drives. Luckily we planned ahead and drafted Jenkins and Scandrick. This is going to get real interesting real quick.

BTW the 2nd best trade for the Cowboys is the one that the Giants didn't make for Tony Gonzalez. Thanks Giants.

 

[Cixelsyd]

I think there are 2 factors at play... they have been wanting to replace Glenn, and no one has stepped up in that role... it's been Austin one week, no wait, it's Crayton, wait, back to Austin...

So there still was a need for a guy like ROY... but... the other factor I think was, Dallas didn't want anyone else getting better either... so hoard the cookies so only the Cowboys get fat.

Timing is bad on this with the pinkie issue... but at least Brad Johnson is a vet... and he has a team around him...

Should be interesting...

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I'm not sure if this is in the thread, so here goes.

Link

The Cowboys and Williams agreed to a five-year extension worth $45 million and including more than $20 million guaranteed, a source told ESPN's Chris Mortensen. The contract language is still being finalized.

That is a lot of money for a player who has had one great year in his career. The talent matches the dollars, but the production doesn't. After seeing this, I am more happy than ever that the Lions moved him. That kind of money (for the Lions) can be better spent on the offensive line, defensive line, or linebacker.

 

[fatness]

Does this mean that the Lions will draft 2 WR's in the first round next year?

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Does this mean that the Lions will draft 2 WR's in the first round next year?

They would if Millen was still here.

 

[B Will]

Does this mean that the Lions will draft 2 WR's in the first round next year?

<br>hahahah wouldnt doubt it.

 

[T Bell]

Does this mean that the Lions will draft 2 WR's in the first round next year?

 

[Bankerguy]

I think there are 2 factors at play... they have been wanting to replace Glenn, and no one has stepped up in that role... it's been Austin one week, no wait, it's Crayton, wait, back to Austin...So there still was a need for a guy like ROY... but... the other factor I think was, Dallas didn't want anyone else getting better either... so hoard the cookies so only the Cowboys get fat.Timing is bad on this with the pinkie issue... but at least Brad Johnson is a vet... and he has a team around him...Should be interesting...

Everyone says they Cowboys panicked and made the trade because of Romo. IMO...this trade still goes down even if Romo is healthy. Jerry has been trying to make this deal for 2 years.

 

[B Will]

Actually. A Randy Moss changing opinion. The people who think the overpaying was right.. wasnt Randy Moss Shipped to NE from Oakland for pretty dirt cheap??

 

[Synthesizer]

Actually. A Randy Moss changing opinion. The people who think the overpaying was right.. wasnt Randy Moss Shipped to NE from Oakland for pretty dirt cheap??

Randy Moss = 4th round pickRoy Williams = 1st and 3rd round picks

 

[Mustang Man]

Great trade for both teams. Dal didn't overpay, Williams is much better than he is given credit for around here. You don't get WRs of Williams' quality w/o giving up a 1st and Williams is a clear upgrade to anyone on that roster.

you mean like Randy Moss? I seem to recall he cost a 4th round pick.

Starkly different situation and I also seem to recall everyone thinking it was a steal even before Moss regained form.

you claimed you don't get a player of his caliber without giving up a 1st round pick. you are wrong. picks are never commensurate with the player's value...and Moss is a prime example. tell me the last WR that was traded for a first round pick?

Your right, that wasn't a totally accurate statement. But if you don't see and understand the massive differences in Moss' situation and trade and Williams then your just trying not to IMO.

Moss value at the time of the trade was super low. Hence the 4th rounder. He was giving up on plays causing problems and just plain not producing. He was seen as a bad attitude player that might of had his best days behind him. The Pats made a good move by getting a player at his lowest value and that can't be said in this case with Roy who is only 27 and best days are in front of him.

This was already talked about in this thread just an FYI Synthesizer

 

[amnesiac]

wow good for the lions, this would have never happened with millen. No clue what dallas is thinking...

Oh, really. Like the time Millen got the Browns to trade up one spot for a second rounder. This is the Lions. They make these deals then they screw them up.

Browns got Kellen Winslow and the Lions got Roy Williams and Teddy Lehman.guess we have to wait till they use the new picks to see how this worked out?

 

[T Bell]

wow good for the lions, this would have never happened with millen. No clue what dallas is thinking...

Oh, really. Like the time Millen got the Browns to trade up one spot for a second rounder. This is the Lions. They make these deals then they screw them up.

Browns got Kellen Winslow and the Lions got Roy Williams and Teddy Lehman.guess we have to wait till they use the new picks to see how this worked out?

In fairness identifying college talent worthy of a draft pick, and the using of draft picks in trade, are two different skills that you tend to need to evaluate separately. In this case, the trade was a good one for the Lions, but the player evaluation was a major problem.

 

[T Bell]

wow good for the lions, this would have never happened with millen. No clue what dallas is thinking...

Oh, really. Like the time Millen got the Browns to trade up one spot for a second rounder. This is the Lions. They make these deals then they screw them up.

Browns got Kellen Winslow and the Lions got Roy Williams and Teddy Lehman.guess we have to wait till they use the new picks to see how this worked out?

In fairness identifying college talent worthy of a draft pick, and the using of draft picks in trade, are two different skills that you tend to need to evaluate separately. In this case (with the 2004 trade), the trade was a good one for the Lions, but the player evaluation was a major problem. With yesterday's trade, that too was excellent value for the Lions. We'll just have to see what they do with those picks now that they have them and we'll critique that when it happens.

 

[scratcher]

Just out of curiosity, I went back and looked at Dallas' drafting history over last 5 yrs.

2008- 1st rd- Felix Jones, Michael Jenkins, 3rd rd- traded, 6th rd-Erik Walden

2007- 1st rd- Anthony Spencer, 3rd rd-James Marten, 6th rd-Nick Folk, Deon Anderson

2006- 1st rd- Bobby Carpenter, 3rd rd-Jason Hatcher, 6th rd-Montavious Stanley

2005- 1st rd- Demarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, 3rd rd-traded, 6th rd-Justin Beriault, Rob Pettiti

2004- 1st rd- traded, 3rd rd-Stephen Peterman, 6th rd-traded

Outside of Demarcus Ware, I can't say I wouldn't trade any of those players for Roy Williams. However, I think this comes down to needs. What did Roy do for Dallas? They weren't having problems putting points on the board. But every little bit helps in the NFC East I guess.

 

[MSULions]

Does this mean that the Lions will draft 2 WR's in the first round next year?

yeah....what a fresh AND original joke!

 

[Polythene Pam]

Does this mean that the Lions will draft 2 WR's in the first round next year?

yeah....what a fresh AND original joke!

It's funny because it's true.

 

[Cenobite]

Other 2-stud-WR teams I'm reminded of:

Raiders with Jerry Rice and Tim Brown

Cardinals with Boldin and Fitzgerald

Vikings with Randy Moss and Chris Carter

Bengals with Housh and 85

Colts with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne

Packers with Donald Driver and Greg Jennings

Rams with Tory Holt and Isaac Bruce

We collectively need to stop thinking about this as a good or bad move for the Cowboys - NOT whether or not they paid too much.

The reason this site exists is for Fantasy F***ing Football - nothing else. If you want to whine about the 'Boys paying too much, go to http://espn.com/messageboards/closetedcowboyfans.meow

I think we should all weigh in as to if Roy Williams has a better value playing with the Cowboys or the Lions. As a Dynasty owner of RWill, I give it a big Thumbs Up T.O. is 35 and Romo is signed for life and loves to zing it around regardless of how good his running game is. I'm also a Witten owner and am not concerned if he turns out to be a #1 or #3 TE - there's a fine line and I'm not going to lose sleep on it.

Discuss...

None of those receiver combos. you mentioed had a TE like Witten on their team. The only team I can think of that had this sort of combo. was the Chargers with Joyner/Johnson/K.Winslow Sr. I don't know how the passes are going to be distributed but someone's going to be getting the short end of the stick. I think it will probably be RW simply because T.O. and Witten know the system better and have a certain rapport with their teammates. RW got his money so he shouldn't care too much while T.O. is still on the team.

 

[T Bell]

Does this mean that the Lions will draft 2 WR's in the first round next year?

yeah....what a fresh AND original joke!

Actually, the Lions have been around for quite a while!

 

[Phurfur]

Other 2-stud-WR teams I'm reminded of:

Raiders with Jerry Rice and Tim Brown

Cardinals with Boldin and Fitzgerald

Vikings with Randy Moss and Chris Carter

Bengals with Housh and 85

Colts with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne

Packers with Donald Driver and Greg Jennings

Rams with Tory Holt and Isaac Bruce

We collectively need to stop thinking about this as a good or bad move for the Cowboys - NOT whether or not they paid too much.

The reason this site exists is for Fantasy F***ing Football - nothing else. If you want to whine about the 'Boys paying too much, go to http://espn.com/messageboards/closetedcowboyfans.meow

I think we should all weigh in as to if Roy Williams has a better value playing with the Cowboys or the Lions. As a Dynasty owner of RWill, I give it a big Thumbs Up T.O. is 35 and Romo is signed for life and loves to zing it around regardless of how good his running game is. I'm also a Witten owner and am not concerned if he turns out to be a #1 or #3 TE - there's a fine line and I'm not going to lose sleep on it.

Discuss...

None of those receiver combos. you mentioed had a TE like Witten on their team. The only team I can think of that had this sort of combo. was the Chargers with Joyner/Johnson/K.Winslow Sr. I don't know how the passes are going to be distributed but someone's going to be getting the short end of the stick. I think it will probably be RW simply because T.O. and Witten know the system better and have a certain rapport with their teammates. RW got his money so he shouldn't care too much while T.O. is still on the team.

What no one is talking about is the fact that Dallas now has a #1 and #2 WR with the same skill set. They do not complement each other. I think this is the begining of the end for TO as a Dallas Cowboy.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Personally, I think Dallas got ripped off. I was just imagining the Redskins doing this same exact deal instead of Dallas, because the dyanmics of the trade would be nearly identical -- Washington also has a WR2 (Randle El) who would be much better suited as a WR3. (I don't think it would be possible due to the salary cap, but I'm going to pretend it is.)

If the Redskins did this deal I would be livid.

What no one has mentioned is that while the 1st rounder Detroit receives will be low, probably be somewhere in the 20's, you're still getting a starter at that position (if you know what you're doing) for a very reasonable 5 year contract.

I don't see this being a good deal for Dallas unless the salary cap goes away after this season. Giving Roy Williams $9 million per year is borderline outrageous, imo, when you factor in the salary cap. There's less than 10 wr's worth that kind of $$ per year, and Roy ain't one of them.

 

[FUBAR]

Other 2-stud-WR teams I'm reminded of:

Raiders with Jerry Rice and Tim Brown

Cardinals with Boldin and Fitzgerald

Vikings with Randy Moss and Chris Carter

Bengals with Housh and 85

Colts with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne

Packers with Donald Driver and Greg Jennings

Rams with Tory Holt and Isaac Bruce

We collectively need to stop thinking about this as a good or bad move for the Cowboys - NOT whether or not they paid too much.

The reason this site exists is for Fantasy F***ing Football - nothing else. If you want to whine about the 'Boys paying too much, go to http://espn.com/messageboards/closetedcowboyfans.meow

I think we should all weigh in as to if Roy Williams has a better value playing with the Cowboys or the Lions. As a Dynasty owner of RWill, I give it a big Thumbs Up T.O. is 35 and Romo is signed for life and loves to zing it around regardless of how good his running game is. I'm also a Witten owner and am not concerned if he turns out to be a #1 or #3 TE - there's a fine line and I'm not going to lose sleep on it.

Discuss...

None of those receiver combos. you mentioed had a TE like Witten on their team. The only team I can think of that had this sort of combo. was the Chargers with Joyner/Johnson/K.Winslow Sr. I don't know how the passes are going to be distributed but someone's going to be getting the short end of the stick. I think it will probably be RW simply because T.O. and Witten know the system better and have a certain rapport with their teammates. RW got his money so he shouldn't care too much while T.O. is still on the team.

What no one is talking about is the fact that Dallas now has a #1 and #2 WR with the same skill set. They do not complement each other. I think this is the begining of the end for TO as a Dallas Cowboy.

more important than skill set is mindset. Roy was just whining about being the 2nd receiver on the Lions, how's he going to feel now being 3rd?

 

[Mustang Man]

Other 2-stud-WR teams I'm reminded of:

Raiders with Jerry Rice and Tim Brown

Cardinals with Boldin and Fitzgerald

Vikings with Randy Moss and Chris Carter

Bengals with Housh and 85

Colts with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne

Packers with Donald Driver and Greg Jennings

Rams with Tory Holt and Isaac Bruce

We collectively need to stop thinking about this as a good or bad move for the Cowboys - NOT whether or not they paid too much.

The reason this site exists is for Fantasy F***ing Football - nothing else. If you want to whine about the 'Boys paying too much, go to http://espn.com/messageboards/closetedcowboyfans.meow

I think we should all weigh in as to if Roy Williams has a better value playing with the Cowboys or the Lions. As a Dynasty owner of RWill, I give it a big Thumbs Up T.O. is 35 and Romo is signed for life and loves to zing it around regardless of how good his running game is. I'm also a Witten owner and am not concerned if he turns out to be a #1 or #3 TE - there's a fine line and I'm not going to lose sleep on it.

Discuss...

None of those receiver combos. you mentioed had a TE like Witten on their team. The only team I can think of that had this sort of combo. was the Chargers with Joyner/Johnson/K.Winslow Sr. I don't know how the passes are going to be distributed but someone's going to be getting the short end of the stick. I think it will probably be RW simply because T.O. and Witten know the system better and have a certain rapport with their teammates. RW got his money so he shouldn't care too much while T.O. is still on the team.

What no one is talking about is the fact that Dallas now has a #1 and #2 WR with the same skill set. They do not complement each other. I think this is the begining of the end for TO as a Dallas Cowboy.

If having another wr that has the same skill set as TO is a bad thing I love being bad. It is much better then having a #2 wr that has no skill set to be a starter and only hinders what this offense can be. TO can get deep on anyone it is just that the coverage was being rolled almost to no end, now they do that someone will be man on man RW or Witten. Before with Crayton going man on man it was no biggie he would get open maybe 50% of the time and then the other 50% he would drop a big play. Both these wr's can beat you in many different ways, it is a positive move to add a wr that needs to be respected on the other side of Owens. Romo is the #1 qb by far fantasy wise and this only makes Dallas more lethal on offense in real life. Problem big problem for the rest of the league. Not saying they are the odds on favorite or anything like that but just to say that it was a bad move is just being blind to the facts.