Roy Williams offically traded to Dallas (1 Viewer)

[treat88]

These posts are so ridiculous...y'all are almost as bad as our local media here in Dallas. BEFORE the Roy Williams trade and AFTER the Pac suspension, Dallas had the following picks next year:1st, 2nd, (2) 3rds, (2) 4ths, 5th back from TEN, keep their 6th (TEN), and 7th.For Williams we give up a 1st, 3rd, 6th (that we were giving up anyway), and recieve a 7th.Essentially, we gave up a 1st for an ESTABLISHED 27-year old WR. We can play the craps table and HOPE we get an NFL quality WR in the draft that may or may not make the transition within the first two (2) years. And according to the local media and Ed Werder at ESPN via radio, the Boys have a handshake deal in place for an extension for Williams.TO is 34 years old. Patrick Crayton is a #3 and Miles Austin is improved, but not the next coming. GREAT TRADE!!! It's a trade for the future that'll help them win today. If no CB's are available then we just score more points...I like it.

Agreed.I'll take proven production any day of the week over a draft pick.Additionally, with the opportunity to negotiate an extension they no longer have to compete on the FA market for a WR in the off-season, of which there were very few viable players available.It's a very good deal for both teams.

 

[jurb26]

Great trade for both teams. Dal didn't overpay, Williams is much better than he is given credit for around here. You don't get WRs of Williams' quality w/o giving up a 1st and Williams is a clear upgrade to anyone on that roster.

 

[JTM]

today i'm a lions fan jerry already made this stupid trade once for joey galloway. and he saw what it did to the organization. and he did it again their defense is crap. at least they'll be exciting to watch. i'm taking the over.greg ellis was talking about how something big was occuring in the organization and there was a lot of divide. i think this was it. this was an incredibly stupid decision. at least i got tony romo on all my dynasty team

Greg Ellis said nothing of the like. He said he was disappointed in the organization as a whole and with how the talent was being used. Greg Ellis said the exact same thing when Parcells moved him to OLB. I love Greg Ellis, but his comments have as much to do with his personal stake as it does the team's. If you ask me, here's the problem with the Cowboys:Wade Phillips said that the players were more accountable to each other than they are to him. That philosophy might work with the 2007 Patriots roster--full of savvy vets and professionals--but this roster is full of egos, headcases, and rookies. TO can't be held accountable by Pacman or vice versa.This squad...THIS squad...needs accountability from an authority. Jimmy Johnson on multiple occasions cut players immediately after games...expendable players that missed assignments, like Justin Rogers (#50) that didn't even touch his guy on the blocked punt in ARI. The 90's team was built with the same egos and headaches, but they were kept in check by a higher authority.Jerry has produced himself a ####-storm by hiring another puppet...a puppet with a better reputation than Switzer, Campo, etc...but a puppet nonetheless. I'm so disappointed with my Boys right now...but still elated with the trade.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

I wonder if the Lions kissed them first? Good lord that is a lot to give up for a an overrated WR.

 

[bonesman]

I think Roy coming to Dallas actually increases Witten's value, if that is even possible. With Roy and TO on opposite sides, it's going to be even harder to scheme for Witten. In fact, I think Johnson isn't the worst thing for Witten either. When it comes time to dink and dunk and look for that security blanket over the middle, it should be Witten he looks to first.

 

[GoinDeep]

As a Cowboys fan...I pray its the 2nd and 5th.

1, 3, 5 IS INSANE to give up for a guy that was leaving anyways.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Why do people think Dallas so desperately needed a #2 WR? Crayton is adequate and Austin has done a couple things, plus they have Witten.

Here's a list of the teams that have had two elite talents at WR (in my opinion, but I'm guessing most others will agree) over the last two seasons:

Cincinnati Bengals

Arizona Cardinals

Detroit Lions

How's that working out for them? The 2008 Cardinals are the only moderate success story of the six seasons, and their marquee win came without one of their two elite WRs. I guess you could also argue the Colts should be included, but they might well be a product of the QB, plus Harrison hasn't been elite since 2006.

The notion that you need or even want two stud WRs is a fallacy, and trading away the farm to get one is just foolish.

Also, from a fantasy standpoint, this is not good for Williams. The loss of a bye week is bigger than you think. Losing Brandon Marshall for a single week resulting in most people downgrading him a round or so. Williams is gone for at least one extra week, and it would be surprising if he played extensively this weekend since he'll only have three days to get caught up. Plus he's now competing with two top-level talents for catches.

 

[Synthesizer]

At least his first down hand signal won't look as stupid in close games as it does now when he's down 28-7 in the 4th quarter.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Great trade for both teams. Dal didn't overpay, Williams is much better than he is given credit for around here. You don't get WRs of Williams' quality w/o giving up a 1st and Williams is a clear upgrade to anyone on that roster.

All joking aside, I agree. The third and sixth mean little in the long run when they had additional 3rd, so where the loss? The only thing that could be questionable is what value is there at their 1st round pick slot. Other than that, they know what they are getting opposed to just knowing what a player did in college. Good move for DAL, but they are tying up a bit of money in their WR's, let alone offensive skill positions. I'd imagine that they will be hurting eventually at other areas and be limited by the cap to fix it. Though, every team has those types of issues at some point or another.

 

[drew726]

I was a Romo owner and now I'm looking for a new QB. Trent Edwards was on the WW and I was planning on getting him instead of Brad Johnson. Should I get Johnson now that Dallas has two stud WR's?

 

[JTM]

LOL, I'm not sure how this is "overpaying" for Williams. What are the chances a 3rd and or a 6th will make any type of impact let alone start............slim to none.

Clearly, Romo will become the #QB in all drafts next year. Romo Barber, and Witten's value shoots through the roof.

When this team is healthy, the NFC east will be in trouble.

Roy Williams was a top 10 pick what, 5 yrs ago? He hasnt even come close to performing like a 1st rd pick, plus he is 5 yrs older and has shown some big time negative traits that you dont want to see on a team trying to win a Super Bowl.So the Cowboys traded 3 picks for him including a 1st and 3rd. Sounds like overpaying to me, big time.

You're crazy... He's 27. He's played on a VERY bad team. He's a top 10 NFL talent at WR. He's proven. Our 1st will be only 4-8 picks from our 2nd. We have extra picks next year. Thin at CB, let's score more...

Top 10 according to who? And he has proven what?What hes proven to me is that he is extremely immature, lazy, and has questionable hands. Oh yea, and he gets dinged up every year.

You cant live off your college rep forever.

Roy's line:2004 Detroit 14 54 817 8

2005 Detroit 13 45 687 8

2006 Detroit 16 82 1310 7

2007 Detroit 12 63 836 5

2008 Detroit 5 17 232 1

Roy's Predraft Measurables:

6'2"

212 lbs

4.37 forty

39.5" vertical

He proved it 2006 and his measurables are undeniable. Look...I know he gets paid, but he's worked in a circus environment since he entered the league. There may have been some motivational issues, but he'll perform in Dallas--it's where he wanted to be anyway.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

he'll perform in Dallas--it's where he wanted to be anyway.

And Pacman will behave because he knows it's his last chance and the Cowboys will make sure he stays out of trouble.

 

[RBM]

LOL, I'm not sure how this is "overpaying" for Williams. What are the chances a 3rd and or a 6th will make any type of impact let alone start............slim to none.

Clearly, Romo will become the #QB in all drafts next year. Romo Barber, and Witten's value shoots through the roof.

When this team is healthy, the NFC east will be in trouble.

Roy Williams was a top 10 pick what, 5 yrs ago? He hasnt even come close to performing like a 1st rd pick, plus he is 5 yrs older and has shown some big time negative traits that you dont want to see on a team trying to win a Super Bowl.So the Cowboys traded 3 picks for him including a 1st and 3rd. Sounds like overpaying to me, big time.

You're crazy... He's 27. He's played on a VERY bad team. He's a top 10 NFL talent at WR. He's proven. Our 1st will be only 4-8 picks from our 2nd. We have extra picks next year. Thin at CB, let's score more...

Top 10 according to who? And he has proven what?What hes proven to me is that he is extremely immature, lazy, and has questionable hands. Oh yea, and he gets dinged up every year.

You cant live off your college rep forever.

Roy's line:2004 Detroit 14 54 817 8

2005 Detroit 13 45 687 8

2006 Detroit 16 82 1310 7

2007 Detroit 12 63 836 5

2008 Detroit 5 17 232 1

Roy's Predraft Measurables:

6'2"

212 lbs

4.37 forty

39.5" vertical

He proved it 2006 and his measurables are undeniable. Look...I know he gets paid, but he's worked in a circus environment since he entered the league. There may have been some motivational issues, but he'll perform in Dallas--it's where he wanted to be anyway.

You are really grasping if you are still qouting his pre-draft measurables. He would hardly be the first guy to have awesome measurables and fail miserably in the NFL. C'mon with that.Those stats you posted dont help your argument.

Look, all Cowboy fans can hope for is what you said in your last line. Maybe its been a motivational thing (which is pathetic if so) and maybe a light comes on now that hes in Dallas.

 

[JTM]

Why do people think Dallas so desperately needed a #2 WR? Crayton is adequate and Austin has done a couple things, plus they have Witten.Here's a list of the teams that have had two elite talents at WR (in my opinion, but I'm guessing most others will agree) over the last two seasons:Cincinnati BengalsArizona CardinalsDetroit LionsHow's that working out for them? The 2008 Cardinals are the only moderate success story of the six seasons, and their marquee win came without one of their two elite WRs. I guess you could also argue the Colts should be included, but they might well be a product of the QB, plus Harrison hasn't been elite since 2006.The notion that you need or even want two stud WRs is a fallacy, and trading away the farm to get one is just foolish.Also, from a fantasy standpoint, this is not good for Williams. The loss of a bye week is bigger than you think. Losing Brandon Marshall for a single week resulting in most people downgrading him a round or so. Williams is gone for at least one extra week, and it would be surprising if he played extensively this weekend since he'll only have three days to get caught up. Plus he's now competing with two top-level talents for catches.

You should write for political campaigns...it's not what you say that speaks volumes, rather what you don't. Those teams have had TERRIBLE defenses and/or questionable running games.On the contrary, here are some other teams with a quality #2:99 Rams00 Rams02 Rams03 Panthers06 Colts07 NEThere are multiple ways to win in this league, but as noted above...outscoring your opponent has been pretty successful in the recent past...

 

[jurb26]

LOL, I'm not sure how this is "overpaying" for Williams. What are the chances a 3rd and or a 6th will make any type of impact let alone start............slim to none.

Clearly, Romo will become the #QB in all drafts next year. Romo Barber, and Witten's value shoots through the roof.

When this team is healthy, the NFC east will be in trouble.

Roy Williams was a top 10 pick what, 5 yrs ago? He hasnt even come close to performing like a 1st rd pick, plus he is 5 yrs older and has shown some big time negative traits that you dont want to see on a team trying to win a Super Bowl.So the Cowboys traded 3 picks for him including a 1st and 3rd. Sounds like overpaying to me, big time.

You're crazy... He's 27. He's played on a VERY bad team. He's a top 10 NFL talent at WR. He's proven. Our 1st will be only 4-8 picks from our 2nd. We have extra picks next year. Thin at CB, let's score more...

Top 10 according to who? And he has proven what?What hes proven to me is that he is extremely immature, lazy, and has questionable hands. Oh yea, and he gets dinged up every year.

You cant live off your college rep forever.

Roy's line:2004 Detroit 14 54 817 8

2005 Detroit 13 45 687 8

2006 Detroit 16 82 1310 7

2007 Detroit 12 63 836 5

2008 Detroit 5 17 232 1

Roy's Predraft Measurables:

6'2"

212 lbs

4.37 forty

39.5" vertical

He proved it 2006 and his measurables are undeniable. Look...I know he gets paid, but he's worked in a circus environment since he entered the league. There may have been some motivational issues, but he'll perform in Dallas--it's where he wanted to be anyway.

You are really grasping if you are still qouting his pre-draft measurables. He would hardly be the first guy to have awesome measurables and fail miserably in the NFL. C'mon with that.Those stats you posted dont help your argument.

Look, all Cowboy fans can hope for is what you said in your last line. Maybe its been a motivational thing (which is pathetic if so) and maybe a light comes on now that hes in Dallas.

Or maybe these are actually pretty good numbers for being in Det and having only played one full season and a lot of people here just don't want to acknowledge it:2004 Detroit 14 54 817 8

2005 Detroit 13 45 687 8

2006 Detroit 16 82 1310 7

2007 Detroit 12 63 836 5

2008 Detroit 5 17 232 1

 

[T Bell]

LOL, I'm not sure how this is "overpaying" for Williams. What are the chances a 3rd and or a 6th will make any type of impact let alone start............slim to none.

Clearly, Romo will become the #QB in all drafts next year. Romo Barber, and Witten's value shoots through the roof.

When this team is healthy, the NFC east will be in trouble.

Roy Williams was a top 10 pick what, 5 yrs ago? He hasnt even come close to performing like a 1st rd pick, plus he is 5 yrs older and has shown some big time negative traits that you dont want to see on a team trying to win a Super Bowl.So the Cowboys traded 3 picks for him including a 1st and 3rd. Sounds like overpaying to me, big time.

You're crazy... He's 27. He's played on a VERY bad team. He's a top 10 NFL talent at WR. He's proven. Our 1st will be only 4-8 picks from our 2nd. We have extra picks next year. Thin at CB, let's score more...

Top 10 according to who? And he has proven what?What hes proven to me is that he is extremely immature, lazy, and has questionable hands. Oh yea, and he gets dinged up every year.

You cant live off your college rep forever.

Roy's line:2004 Detroit 14 54 817 8

2005 Detroit 13 45 687 8

2006 Detroit 16 82 1310 7

2007 Detroit 12 63 836 5

2008 Detroit 5 17 232 1

Roy's Predraft Measurables:

6'2"

212 lbs

4.37 forty

39.5" vertical

He proved it 2006 and his measurables are undeniable. Look...I know he gets paid, but he's worked in a circus environment since he entered the league. There may have been some motivational issues, but he'll perform in Dallas--it's where he wanted to be anyway.

Jerry Porter is also due to break out at any time now! He proved it one year too!

 

[BigTex]

LOL, I'm not sure how this is "overpaying" for Williams. What are the chances a 3rd and or a 6th will make any type of impact let alone start............slim to none.

Witten, Crayton, Reeves, Ratliff, Pettiti, Canty, Barber, Burnett, Folk, Stanbeck, Scandrick, and Choice were all drafted in the third round or later since 2003. Either the Cowboys aren't nearly as good as you and other Cowboys fans like to crow that they are because those players all are non-factors, or those picks are in fact worth more than you're willing to acknowledge right now. Which is it?

Answer this first, when have you ever seen ME crow?Then I'll answer the rest...............

 

[Andy Herron]

From the media conference call, Roy Williams said he was as happy as "the day I got my first bicycle."

He feels like he was just let out of jail. He called his Mom and told her he just went from 0-5 to 4-2.

He's thrilled. Said he never had a "Jerry Rice" to learn from or work with when asked about his anticipation of working alongside T.O.

He'll be here tomorrow and expects to take part in practice.

 

[TobiasFunke]

LOL, I'm not sure how this is "overpaying" for Williams. What are the chances a 3rd and or a 6th will make any type of impact let alone start............slim to none.

Clearly, Romo will become the #QB in all drafts next year. Romo Barber, and Witten's value shoots through the roof.

When this team is healthy, the NFC east will be in trouble.

Roy Williams was a top 10 pick what, 5 yrs ago? He hasnt even come close to performing like a 1st rd pick, plus he is 5 yrs older and has shown some big time negative traits that you dont want to see on a team trying to win a Super Bowl.So the Cowboys traded 3 picks for him including a 1st and 3rd. Sounds like overpaying to me, big time.

You're crazy... He's 27. He's played on a VERY bad team. He's a top 10 NFL talent at WR. He's proven. Our 1st will be only 4-8 picks from our 2nd. We have extra picks next year. Thin at CB, let's score more...

Top 10 according to who? And he has proven what?What hes proven to me is that he is extremely immature, lazy, and has questionable hands. Oh yea, and he gets dinged up every year.

You cant live off your college rep forever.

Roy's line:2004 Detroit 14 54 817 8

2005 Detroit 13 45 687 8

2006 Detroit 16 82 1310 7

2007 Detroit 12 63 836 5

2008 Detroit 5 17 232 1

Roy's Predraft Measurables:

6'2"

212 lbs

4.37 forty

39.5" vertical

He proved it 2006 and his measurables are undeniable. Look...I know he gets paid, but he's worked in a circus environment since he entered the league. There may have been some motivational issues, but he'll perform in Dallas--it's where he wanted to be anyway.

You are really grasping if you are still qouting his pre-draft measurables. He would hardly be the first guy to have awesome measurables and fail miserably in the NFL. C'mon with that.Those stats you posted dont help your argument.

Look, all Cowboy fans can hope for is what you said in your last line. Maybe its been a motivational thing (which is pathetic if so) and maybe a light comes on now that hes in Dallas.

My favorite part was when he said he'll improve now because he used to be in a "circus environment," but now he won't be. How many times do you think those exact two words have been used to describe the Cowboys in the last few weeks?

 

[JTM]

he'll perform in Dallas--it's where he wanted to be anyway.

And Pacman will behave because he knows it's his last chance and the Cowboys will make sure he stays out of trouble.

I never said that...if you've been visited by the police 12 times in 4 years, it probably runs deeper than just missed opportunity.But once it was done...I will say that's what I hoped for...

 

[JTM]

LOL, I'm not sure how this is "overpaying" for Williams. What are the chances a 3rd and or a 6th will make any type of impact let alone start............slim to none.

Clearly, Romo will become the #QB in all drafts next year. Romo Barber, and Witten's value shoots through the roof.

When this team is healthy, the NFC east will be in trouble.

Roy Williams was a top 10 pick what, 5 yrs ago? He hasnt even come close to performing like a 1st rd pick, plus he is 5 yrs older and has shown some big time negative traits that you dont want to see on a team trying to win a Super Bowl.So the Cowboys traded 3 picks for him including a 1st and 3rd. Sounds like overpaying to me, big time.

You're crazy... He's 27. He's played on a VERY bad team. He's a top 10 NFL talent at WR. He's proven. Our 1st will be only 4-8 picks from our 2nd. We have extra picks next year. Thin at CB, let's score more...

Top 10 according to who? And he has proven what?What hes proven to me is that he is extremely immature, lazy, and has questionable hands. Oh yea, and he gets dinged up every year.

You cant live off your college rep forever.

Roy's line:2004 Detroit 14 54 817 8

2005 Detroit 13 45 687 8

2006 Detroit 16 82 1310 7

2007 Detroit 12 63 836 5

2008 Detroit 5 17 232 1

Roy's Predraft Measurables:

6'2"

212 lbs

4.37 forty

39.5" vertical

He proved it 2006 and his measurables are undeniable. Look...I know he gets paid, but he's worked in a circus environment since he entered the league. There may have been some motivational issues, but he'll perform in Dallas--it's where he wanted to be anyway.

You are really grasping if you are still qouting his pre-draft measurables. He would hardly be the first guy to have awesome measurables and fail miserably in the NFL. C'mon with that.Those stats you posted dont help your argument.

Look, all Cowboy fans can hope for is what you said in your last line. Maybe its been a motivational thing (which is pathetic if so) and maybe a light comes on now that hes in Dallas.

My favorite part was when he said he'll improve now because he used to be in a "circus environment," but now he won't be. How many times do you think those exact two words have been used to describe the Cowboys in the last few weeks?

Toby...surely you're intelligent enough to deduct from my statement the difference between the two (2) circuses...

 

[T Bell]

LOL, I'm not sure how this is "overpaying" for Williams. What are the chances a 3rd and or a 6th will make any type of impact let alone start............slim to none.

Witten, Crayton, Reeves, Ratliff, Pettiti, Canty, Barber, Burnett, Folk, Stanbeck, Scandrick, and Choice were all drafted in the third round or later since 2003. Either the Cowboys aren't nearly as good as you and other Cowboys fans like to crow that they are because those players all are non-factors, or those picks are in fact worth more than you're willing to acknowledge right now. Which is it?

Answer this first, when have you ever seen ME crow?Then I'll answer the rest...............

Nice dodge. None of those guys have any impact, right or wrong?

 

[BigTex]

as a lifelong Dallas fan, i like getting Roy but I think the price was a bit high. I think they will sign him long term, so that's good, and I do think playing for a winning franchise will bring the best out of him, another plus. I think this will make TO better as well, harder to commit to blanketing coverage on him. I just wonder what kind of contract they will give Roy and if it will be more than TO is making, because i'm SURE that will go over smoothly if that happens haha. I just hate giving up the 3 draft picks, even if we do have a surplus next year, the number 1 alone should have done it. I guess you have to give to get, so we will see what happens. I'm also in the camp that Dallas's biggest problems did not lie at #2 WR, but I digress.

Everyone's talking about how they need a WR2, but the fact is that between TO, Witten, Romo and Barber they've already got a lot of talent at the skill positions before this trade. If they aren't able to pass with Romo, TO, and Witten, is adding a severely underachieving Roy Williams - who has no knowledge of the offense - going to help? The dirty little secret here is that either the o-line or Jason Garrett, or both, are very overrated because they don't seem to be able to run block or pass protect well enough, consistently enough, to enable that offense to impose its will upon defenses. With that much talent at their disposal, that's ridiculous. Is there a single set of QB-WR1-TE-RB unit in that very good NFC East division that Dallas would swap with before the Roy Williams trade?

Anyway, this Roy Williams seems in this context to be an extravagance, and doubly so when the main problems would seem to exist at this point on the defensive side of the ball.

These posts are so ridiculous...y'all are almost as bad as our local media here in Dallas. BEFORE the Roy Williams trade and AFTER the Pac suspension, Dallas had the following picks next year:1st, 2nd, (2) 3rds, (2) 4ths, 5th back from TEN, keep their 6th (TEN), and 7th.

For Williams we give up a 1st, 3rd, 6th (that we were giving up anyway), and recieve a 7th.

Essentially, we gave up a 1st for an ESTABLISHED 27-year old WR. We can play the craps table and HOPE we get an NFL quality WR in the draft that may or may not make the transition within the first two (2) years. And according to the local media and Ed Werder at ESPN via radio, the Boys have a handshake deal in place for an extension for Williams.

TO is 34 years old. Patrick Crayton is a #3 and Miles Austin is improved, but not the next coming. GREAT TRADE!!! It's a trade for the future that'll help them win today. If no CB's are available then we just score more points...I like it.

You're on the money here JTM.

Ditto

 

[JTM]

LOL, I'm not sure how this is "overpaying" for Williams. What are the chances a 3rd and or a 6th will make any type of impact let alone start............slim to none.

Clearly, Romo will become the #QB in all drafts next year. Romo Barber, and Witten's value shoots through the roof.

When this team is healthy, the NFC east will be in trouble.

Roy Williams was a top 10 pick what, 5 yrs ago? He hasnt even come close to performing like a 1st rd pick, plus he is 5 yrs older and has shown some big time negative traits that you dont want to see on a team trying to win a Super Bowl.So the Cowboys traded 3 picks for him including a 1st and 3rd. Sounds like overpaying to me, big time.

You're crazy... He's 27. He's played on a VERY bad team. He's a top 10 NFL talent at WR. He's proven. Our 1st will be only 4-8 picks from our 2nd. We have extra picks next year. Thin at CB, let's score more...

Top 10 according to who? And he has proven what?What hes proven to me is that he is extremely immature, lazy, and has questionable hands. Oh yea, and he gets dinged up every year.

You cant live off your college rep forever.

Roy's line:2004 Detroit 14 54 817 8

2005 Detroit 13 45 687 8

2006 Detroit 16 82 1310 7

2007 Detroit 12 63 836 5

2008 Detroit 5 17 232 1

Roy's Predraft Measurables:

6'2"

212 lbs

4.37 forty

39.5" vertical

He proved it 2006 and his measurables are undeniable. Look...I know he gets paid, but he's worked in a circus environment since he entered the league. There may have been some motivational issues, but he'll perform in Dallas--it's where he wanted to be anyway.

Jerry Porter is also due to break out at any time now! He proved it one year too!

Hater...I mean Tater...did you just compare Roy Williams to Jerry Porter?!? Surely there's a better example to make your point than Jerry Porter. Jerry Porter's best season was 80% of Williams' and about 3 years prior...and Williams' worst seasons are about par to Porter's average. Not even the same game, much less ballpark...try another.

 

[Urinal Mint]

From the media conference call, Roy Williams said he was as happy as "the day I got my first bicycle."He feels like he was just let out of jail. He called his Mom and told her he just went from 0-5 to 4-2.He's thrilled. Said he never had a "Jerry Rice" to learn from or work with when asked about his anticipation of working alongside T.O.He'll be here tomorrow and expects to take part in practice.

I'd expect him to score on Sunday too. He is going to play his tail off.

 

[Urinal Mint]

I hope pizza delivery guys in Dallas are prepared to get stiffed, though.

 

[BigTex]

LOL, I'm not sure how this is "overpaying" for Williams. What are the chances a 3rd and or a 6th will make any type of impact let alone start............slim to none.

Witten, Crayton, Reeves, Ratliff, Pettiti, Canty, Barber, Burnett, Folk, Stanbeck, Scandrick, and Choice were all drafted in the third round or later since 2003. Either the Cowboys aren't nearly as good as you and other Cowboys fans like to crow that they are because those players all are non-factors, or those picks are in fact worth more than you're willing to acknowledge right now. Which is it?

Answer this first, when have you ever seen ME crow?Then I'll answer the rest...............

Nice dodge. None of those guys have any impact, right or wrong?

No dodge, you said I like to crow about the Cowboys draft picks when in reality I rarely post in any Cowboy thread, hell I've yet to post or view a Cowboy game thread. So in no way is this a "dodge". Now if you would like to ask me how "I" feel about the Cowboys drafting over the last few years, IMHO has been average a best. I've always thought that Bill was overrated and I was never onboard with them hiring the current HC. I am on record saying this two things.To say that Witten has not made any impact is insane......what are you really trying to ask me?

 

[Andy Herron]

as a lifelong Dallas fan, i like getting Roy but I think the price was a bit high. I think they will sign him long term, so that's good, and I do think playing for a winning franchise will bring the best out of him, another plus. I think this will make TO better as well, harder to commit to blanketing coverage on him. I just wonder what kind of contract they will give Roy and if it will be more than TO is making, because i'm SURE that will go over smoothly if that happens haha. I just hate giving up the 3 draft picks, even if we do have a surplus next year, the number 1 alone should have done it. I guess you have to give to get, so we will see what happens. I'm also in the camp that Dallas's biggest problems did not lie at #2 WR, but I digress.

Everyone's talking about how they need a WR2, but the fact is that between TO, Witten, Romo and Barber they've already got a lot of talent at the skill positions before this trade. If they aren't able to pass with Romo, TO, and Witten, is adding a severely underachieving Roy Williams - who has no knowledge of the offense - going to help? The dirty little secret here is that either the o-line or Jason Garrett, or both, are very overrated because they don't seem to be able to run block or pass protect well enough, consistently enough, to enable that offense to impose its will upon defenses. With that much talent at their disposal, that's ridiculous. Is there a single set of QB-WR1-TE-RB unit in that very good NFC East division that Dallas would swap with before the Roy Williams trade?

Anyway, this Roy Williams seems in this context to be an extravagance, and doubly so when the main problems would seem to exist at this point on the defensive side of the ball.

These posts are so ridiculous...y'all are almost as bad as our local media here in Dallas. BEFORE the Roy Williams trade and AFTER the Pac suspension, Dallas had the following picks next year:1st, 2nd, (2) 3rds, (2) 4ths, 5th back from TEN, keep their 6th (TEN), and 7th.

For Williams we give up a 1st, 3rd, 6th (that we were giving up anyway), and recieve a 7th.

Essentially, we gave up a 1st for an ESTABLISHED 27-year old WR. We can play the craps table and HOPE we get an NFL quality WR in the draft that may or may not make the transition within the first two (2) years. And according to the local media and Ed Werder at ESPN via radio, the Boys have a handshake deal in place for an extension for Williams.

TO is 34 years old. Patrick Crayton is a #3 and Miles Austin is improved, but not the next coming. GREAT TRADE!!! It's a trade for the future that'll help them win today. If no CB's are available then we just score more points...I like it.

You're on the money here JTM.

Ditto

Or you can simply look at it like this for the 2009 draft-WR Roy Williams

a 2nd

a 3rd

two 4ths

two 5ths

a 6th

two 7ths

I don't see where that hurts at all. Not even a bruise.

 

[two_dollars]

Terrell Owens = Michael Irvin

Roy Williams = Alvin Harper

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

Shefter just stated it was a 1st 3rd and 6th

If this is correct, Jerry Jones is well on his way to becoming the George Steinbrenner of the NFL. Considering that the "mortgage the future to acquire marquee superstars" model didn't work in MLB, I can't imagine this will end well for the Cowboys in a league with a salary cap.If you want to trade a 1, 3 and 6, why not get a quality corner to replace the giant void left by Pac-Man and Terence Newman?

Cowboys still have zero chance of winning the superbowl this year.

Umm because Scandrick and Jenkins can do the job for 4 weeks till Newman gets back and Dallas needed a #2 wr very bad. Now they can move Crayton back to the slot cause he is not a #2 in any way. This is a good move for Dallas. Now if Newman does not come back this year it will hurt but maybe Pacamn comes back as well. I hope not I want him gone. Roy Williams will be a positive move and now doubling Owens Witten will be much harder with Roy There. You can't tell me this is a bad move. Anyways I am sure some will say it was a terrible move. The more that shows up on posts that s was a terrible move the better move I know it was. If Philly got Roy Williams it would be the best move ever, lol

Anything.

DUDE come on I believe in the moves that my team makes it has gotten them to the position that they have as much talent as they have now. I know a lot of people hate the Cowboys and that is cool but whatever they do it is always seen as negative. I mean come on they needed a #2 wr real bad and the offense has struggled all season and lately Owens is getting doubled all the time cause Crayton can't get open and nobody fears him beating them. So what does Jones do he goes out and makes a move to upgrade that position. I mean I bet most fans would love if they had a owner that cared as much as Jones does. I think that is where the hate comes from cause he gets what he wants player wise while other teams sit on the sideline whining.

You're mistaken. People aren't saying it was a dumb move because the Cowboys did this. People are saying it was a dumb move because it was dumb. A 1st, 3rd, and 6th for a career underachiever wr who's already been eclipsed by Calvin Johnson? Dumb, dumb, dumb.

 

[JTM]

LOL, I'm not sure how this is "overpaying" for Williams. What are the chances a 3rd and or a 6th will make any type of impact let alone start............slim to none.

Witten, Crayton, Reeves, Ratliff, Pettiti, Canty, Barber, Burnett, Folk, Stanbeck, Scandrick, and Choice were all drafted in the third round or later since 2003. Either the Cowboys aren't nearly as good as you and other Cowboys fans like to crow that they are because those players all are non-factors, or those picks are in fact worth more than you're willing to acknowledge right now. Which is it?

Answer this first, when have you ever seen ME crow?Then I'll answer the rest...............

Nice dodge. None of those guys have any impact, right or wrong?

Tater...we gave up one (1) of two (2) 3rd round picks...you acquire extra picks for circumstances just like this. We have and extra 4th also. We just acquired NFL ready talent for a late 1st round pick...all other pieces are still in place.

 

[Urinal Mint]

Leonard Davis was a classic underachiever when he arrived in Dallas in 2007.

 

[BigTex]

as a lifelong Dallas fan, i like getting Roy but I think the price was a bit high. I think they will sign him long term, so that's good, and I do think playing for a winning franchise will bring the best out of him, another plus. I think this will make TO better as well, harder to commit to blanketing coverage on him. I just wonder what kind of contract they will give Roy and if it will be more than TO is making, because i'm SURE that will go over smoothly if that happens haha. I just hate giving up the 3 draft picks, even if we do have a surplus next year, the number 1 alone should have done it. I guess you have to give to get, so we will see what happens. I'm also in the camp that Dallas's biggest problems did not lie at #2 WR, but I digress.

Everyone's talking about how they need a WR2, but the fact is that between TO, Witten, Romo and Barber they've already got a lot of talent at the skill positions before this trade. If they aren't able to pass with Romo, TO, and Witten, is adding a severely underachieving Roy Williams - who has no knowledge of the offense - going to help? The dirty little secret here is that either the o-line or Jason Garrett, or both, are very overrated because they don't seem to be able to run block or pass protect well enough, consistently enough, to enable that offense to impose its will upon defenses. With that much talent at their disposal, that's ridiculous. Is there a single set of QB-WR1-TE-RB unit in that very good NFC East division that Dallas would swap with before the Roy Williams trade?

Anyway, this Roy Williams seems in this context to be an extravagance, and doubly so when the main problems would seem to exist at this point on the defensive side of the ball.

These posts are so ridiculous...y'all are almost as bad as our local media here in Dallas. BEFORE the Roy Williams trade and AFTER the Pac suspension, Dallas had the following picks next year:1st, 2nd, (2) 3rds, (2) 4ths, 5th back from TEN, keep their 6th (TEN), and 7th.

For Williams we give up a 1st, 3rd, 6th (that we were giving up anyway), and recieve a 7th.

Essentially, we gave up a 1st for an ESTABLISHED 27-year old WR. We can play the craps table and HOPE we get an NFL quality WR in the draft that may or may not make the transition within the first two (2) years. And according to the local media and Ed Werder at ESPN via radio, the Boys have a handshake deal in place for an extension for Williams.

TO is 34 years old. Patrick Crayton is a #3 and Miles Austin is improved, but not the next coming. GREAT TRADE!!! It's a trade for the future that'll help them win today. If no CB's are available then we just score more points...I like it.

You're on the money here JTM.

Ditto

Or you can simply look at it like this for the 2009 draft-WR Roy Williams

a 2nd

a 3rd

two 4ths

two 5ths

a 6th

two 7ths

I don't see where that hurts at all. Not even a bruise.

I'll take it. I like this trade, only negative at point is the timing of the trade. It'll take Roy some time to learn the system and get in a groove.

 

[JTM]

Shefter just stated it was a 1st 3rd and 6th

If this is correct, Jerry Jones is well on his way to becoming the George Steinbrenner of the NFL. Considering that the "mortgage the future to acquire marquee superstars" model didn't work in MLB, I can't imagine this will end well for the Cowboys in a league with a salary cap.If you want to trade a 1, 3 and 6, why not get a quality corner to replace the giant void left by Pac-Man and Terence Newman?

Cowboys still have zero chance of winning the superbowl this year.

Among a plethora, I've found THE most ridiculous posting I've seen in this forum. Steinbrenner's Yankees have gone to the playoffs every year for the last 15 years and had 6 championships in that span...I'd say it worked.Jerry sees it, kills it. It may not ALWAYS work, but it's better than sitting on your hands like 95% of the rest of the league. Your team could only be so lucky to have such an aggressive trigger-man. At least he's not scared to roll the dice...same attitude that won him three (3) championships.

And you show me the CB that was on the market at this price. Besides, Scandrick is already panning out, Jenkins is a 1st rounder, and we still have Henry and Newman (once healthy). Giving up the same for a CB--if available--after already investing so much at that position makes ZERO sense.

As for zero chance...we're 4-2 but with some hurdles to clear, absolutely...but so did the 07 Giants, 06 Colts, 05 Steelers...should I continue? Sounds like another hater in the forum.

 

[timschochet]

As a Calvin Johnson owner, I'm very interested in the argument about how this will affect him. Some of you believe that it will hurt him, because he will be double teamed all the time. Others believe that he will become the main target on a losing team, turning him into an elite FF WR. (If he's not already.) I'm torn between these two alternatives, and obviously I hope for the second choice. What do Detroit homers think?

 

[Andy Herron]

Jerry Jones confirmed today at the owners' meetings that he has been pursuing Roy Williams for two years. Detroit had always stood firm on wanting two 1st round picks for him. Just something to add to the mix. He was patient enough to wait until the price became more acceptible, and he got it done.

 

[BigTex]

Shefter just stated it was a 1st 3rd and 6th

If this is correct, Jerry Jones is well on his way to becoming the George Steinbrenner of the NFL. Considering that the "mortgage the future to acquire marquee superstars" model didn't work in MLB, I can't imagine this will end well for the Cowboys in a league with a salary cap.If you want to trade a 1, 3 and 6, why not get a quality corner to replace the giant void left by Pac-Man and Terence Newman?

Cowboys still have zero chance of winning the superbowl this year.

Among a plethora, I've found THE most ridiculous posting I've seen in this forum. Steinbrenner's Yankees have gone to the playoffs every year for the last 15 years and had 6 championships in that span...I'd say it worked.Jerry sees it, kills it. It may not ALWAYS work, but it's better than sitting on your hands like 95% of the rest of the league. Your team could only be so lucky to have such an aggressive trigger-man. At least he's not scared to roll the dice...same attitude that won him three (3) championships.

As for zero chance...we're 4-2 but with some hurdles to clear, absolutely...but so did the 07 Giants, 06 Colts, 05 Steelers...should I continue? Sounds like another hater in the forum.

We have an owner I wouldn't exchange for any other in the league.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I wonder if the Lions kissed them first? Good lord that is a lot to give up for a an overrated WR.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I think this is a great trade for both teams. Romo to Roy should be a good combination for the next few years. But as a Lions fan, I'm glad Roy is gone. I like him very much as a person but as a player the only thing he did consistently was be inconsistent. On paper he has all the measureables to be a top 5 WR, but it rarely translated to the field on a regular basis. He would make a highlight catch and then disappear for a quarter. Maybe a change of scenery and a real QB will allow him to hit that elite level. But I still expect him to pull a disappearing act at times like he did in college and like he has for the Lions at times. I would not call him a primadonna but he's no Boldin or Hines Ward. You can blame it on a bad situation in Detroit, but there is just something a little off with this guy. He just seems to lose focus. He should be better than what he is. But if there was ever a situation for him to succeed, it's Dallas. I wish him the best of luck.

 

[jurb26]

As a Calvin Johnson owner, I'm very interested in the argument about how this will affect him. Some of you believe that it will hurt him, because he will be double teamed all the time. Others believe that he will become the main target on a losing team, turning him into an elite FF WR. (If he's not already.) I'm torn between these two alternatives, and obviously I hope for the second choice. What do Detroit homers think?

I too own Johnson and I'm a bit worried about how this move will impact him. Johnson will no doubt get doubled more now. Teams will probably play him similar to how teams play Moss. Put an aggressive/physical CB up at the LOS to prevent a free release and have coverage rolled over the top to help on the deep ball. I think Johnson will need more time to get open and beat the jams. Given how bad the Det Oline is, I'm finding it hard to believe he will have that time. Maybe he gets so many targets it doesn't matter.

 

[Traders2001]

I wonder if the Lions kissed them first? Good lord that is a lot to give up for a an overrated WR.

He goes from opton number 2 in Detroit to option #3 in Dallas bad move for him .

 

[MCguidance]

I wonder if the Lions kissed them first? Good lord that is a lot to give up for a an overrated WR.

He goes from opton number 2 in Detroit to option #3 in Dallas bad move for him .

I'd rather be the 3 in Dallas than the 2 in Detroit.

 

[T Bell]

LOL, I'm not sure how this is "overpaying" for Williams. What are the chances a 3rd and or a 6th will make any type of impact let alone start............slim to none.

Witten, Crayton, Reeves, Ratliff, Pettiti, Canty, Barber, Burnett, Folk, Stanbeck, Scandrick, and Choice were all drafted in the third round or later since 2003. Either the Cowboys aren't nearly as good as you and other Cowboys fans like to crow that they are because those players all are non-factors, or those picks are in fact worth more than you're willing to acknowledge right now. Which is it?

Answer this first, when have you ever seen ME crow?Then I'll answer the rest...............

Nice dodge. None of those guys have any impact, right or wrong?

No dodge, you said I like to crow about the Cowboys draft picks when in reality I rarely post in any Cowboy thread, hell I've yet to post or view a Cowboy game thread. So in no way is this a "dodge". Now if you would like to ask me how "I" feel about the Cowboys drafting over the last few years, IMHO has been average a best. I've always thought that Bill was overrated and I was never onboard with them hiring the current HC. I am on record saying this two things.To say that Witten has not made any impact is insane......what are you really trying to ask me?

Can you read? Try it. Go back and read where you said that the 3rd round and later picks didn't get you players "who made much of an impact", and where I showed you with the Cowboys own drafts that that wasn't the case. The best drafts by far over the last 14 years or so, since Jimmy Johnson left, were during the Parcells era, and this year (though it's early) when Jerry benefited from the last draft preparations of Ireland, a Parcells guy before he departed for Miami. You're now going to start seeing more of the boneheaded drafting and trading that you saw circa 1995-2002 because Jerry once again wants to show the world that he is a real pro football man and not just some oil dude who bought his way into ownership of a team.

Good luck to you because it's not going to be pretty. This is the first step back downhill.

 

[BigTex]

As a Calvin Johnson owner, I'm very interested in the argument about how this will affect him. Some of you believe that it will hurt him, because he will be double teamed all the time. Others believe that he will become the main target on a losing team, turning him into an elite FF WR. (If he's not already.) I'm torn between these two alternatives, and obviously I hope for the second choice. What do Detroit homers think?

I too own Johnson and I'm a bit worried about how this move will impact him. Johnson will no doubt get doubled more now. Teams will probably play him similar to how teams play Moss. Put an aggressive/physical CB up at the LOS to prevent a free release and have coverage rolled over the top to help on the deep ball. I think Johnson will need more time to get open and beat the jams. Given how bad the Det Oline is, I'm finding it hard to believe he will have that time. Maybe he gets so many targets it doesn't matter.

As an owner of CJ I'm seriously thinking of sitting him until I see how things turn out.

 

[Traders2001]

Shefter just stated it was a 1st 3rd and 6th

If this is correct, Jerry Jones is well on his way to becoming the George Steinbrenner of the NFL. Considering that the "mortgage the future to acquire marquee superstars" model didn't work in MLB, I can't imagine this will end well for the Cowboys in a league with a salary cap.If you want to trade a 1, 3 and 6, why not get a quality corner to replace the giant void left by Pac-Man and Terence Newman?

Cowboys still have zero chance of winning the superbowl this year.

Among a plethora, I've found THE most ridiculous posting I've seen in this forum. Steinbrenner's Yankees have gone to the playoffs every year for the last 15 years and had 6 championships in that span...I'd say it worked.Jerry sees it, kills it. It may not ALWAYS work, but it's better than sitting on your hands like 95% of the rest of the league. Your team could only be so lucky to have such an aggressive trigger-man. At least he's not scared to roll the dice...same attitude that won him three (3) championships.

As for zero chance...we're 4-2 but with some hurdles to clear, absolutely...but so did the 07 Giants, 06 Colts, 05 Steelers...should I continue? Sounds like another hater in the forum.

We have an owner I wouldn't exchange for any other in the league.

Agreed on zero chance of winning due to lack of leadership and heart.This team is talented but zero leadership ( TO is a #### stirrer but nowhere close to a leader ) i would not even be surprise that if they lose next game then it will become a zoo and they miss the playoffs.

 

[Andy Herron]

As a Calvin Johnson owner, I'm very interested in the argument about how this will affect him. Some of you believe that it will hurt him, because he will be double teamed all the time. Others believe that he will become the main target on a losing team, turning him into an elite FF WR. (If he's not already.) I'm torn between these two alternatives, and obviously I hope for the second choice. What do Detroit homers think?

Too many unanswered questions to figure how it plays out for Johnson in Detroit.Kitna goes to IR. Dan Orlovsky is the QB. Will it be McDonald of Furrey opposite him now? How will they stack up?Do they even have a running game? I see an extended exhibition season taking place in Detroit from here on out.Clear signs that Detroit is under major reconstruction. Fire Millen.Put Kitna on IR (unnecessarily).Trade Roy Williams.They are clearly beginning to focus on the future in Detroit, and rightfully so.

 

[MSULions]

Great trade for both teams. Dal didn't overpay, Williams is much better than he is given credit for around here. You don't get WRs of Williams' quality w/o giving up a 1st and Williams is a clear upgrade to anyone on that roster.

you mean like Randy Moss? I seem to recall he cost a 4th round pick.

 

[Urinal Mint]

I wonder if the Lions kissed them first? Good lord that is a lot to give up for a an overrated WR.

He goes from opton number 2 in Detroit to option #3 in Dallas bad move for him .

Wins > StatsWhy do you think Barry Sanders quit on that sorry franchise in his prime?

 

[T Bell]

I wonder if the Lions kissed them first? Good lord that is a lot to give up for a an overrated WR.

He goes from opton number 2 in Detroit to option #3 in Dallas bad move for him .

Wins > StatsWhy do you think Barry Sanders quit on that sorry franchise in his prime?

Are playoff wins > stats?

 

[jurb26]

Great trade for both teams. Dal didn't overpay, Williams is much better than he is given credit for around here. You don't get WRs of Williams' quality w/o giving up a 1st and Williams is a clear upgrade to anyone on that roster.

you mean like Randy Moss? I seem to recall he cost a 4th round pick.

Starkly different situation and I also seem to recall everyone thinking it was a steal even before Moss regained form.