Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
I've always wondered if the "myth" about injury-prone players is true. Rudi was the staple for always being in the lineup, correct?
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Rudi Johnson Injury Update For Week 6 (1 Viewer)
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Mr. Mojo
Footballguy
He was before I got him.So much for the "he'll be fine after the extra rest from the bye week".
packersfan
Footballguy
You and me both. One of the main reasons I was so happy to get Rudi at the 11 spot in my draft was because of his durability. He not only has been very consistent in terms of production but the guy doesn't miss time. Until this season. Oh well. Go Kenny Watson.
Geaux Cowboys
Footballguy
Nothing really new here, but the latest...
Kenny Watson-RB- Bengals Oct. 12 - 10:14 am et
With Rudi Johnson (hamstring) still sidelined, Kenny Watson is readying himself to be the Bengals' starter again in Week 6.
Carson Palmer revealed earlier in the week that he anticipates Watson playing a "great deal" against the Chiefs, but Watson himself says he thinks "Rudi is coming along good. We'll see Sunday." Unless Johnson returns to practice Friday, however, it's likely that Watson will start the game.
Source: Cincinnati Enquirer
Kenny Watson-RB- Bengals Oct. 12 - 10:14 am et
With Rudi Johnson (hamstring) still sidelined, Kenny Watson is readying himself to be the Bengals' starter again in Week 6.
Carson Palmer revealed earlier in the week that he anticipates Watson playing a "great deal" against the Chiefs, but Watson himself says he thinks "Rudi is coming along good. We'll see Sunday." Unless Johnson returns to practice Friday, however, it's likely that Watson will start the game.
Source: Cincinnati Enquirer
meh, at this point I rather him just sit rather than risk injuring it further this weekend (and I don't even own Watson).
Wadsworth
Footballguy
I don't own Watson, do own Rudi and agree. If Rudi isn't ready for the full load then let him heal. I can take a loss week 6, need him healthy week 16.
packersfan
Footballguy
Well things sure got muddier now. Rudi practiced today. From RotoWorld:
Rudi Johnson (hamstring) returned to practice Friday, but the Cincinnati Enquirer reports he'll likely alternate with Kenny Watson in Week 6.
Rudi will probably get goal-line carries and is worth keeping in lineups against Kansas City as a flex. You should be able to do better at an RB2 spot. Watson would be a low-end flex play in points-per-reception leagues. It's possible the Bengals will continue to divvy up carries between the two backs in an effort to get their sagging rush offense jumpstarted.
Source: Cincinnati Enquirer
Rudi Johnson (hamstring) returned to practice Friday, but the Cincinnati Enquirer reports he'll likely alternate with Kenny Watson in Week 6.
Rudi will probably get goal-line carries and is worth keeping in lineups against Kansas City as a flex. You should be able to do better at an RB2 spot. Watson would be a low-end flex play in points-per-reception leagues. It's possible the Bengals will continue to divvy up carries between the two backs in an effort to get their sagging rush offense jumpstarted.
Source: Cincinnati Enquirer
Geaux Cowboys
Footballguy
Man...that is the worst case scenario for everyone.
Yep. I'd rather him sit a week now. Especially if he is still hurting.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Not for me. My opponent picked up Watson and has him in his lineup to start against me. I love the fact that he'll be splitting time with Rudi and that Rudi will likely get the goal line carries. Now the question for me is do I start Rudi or someone else and stay out of this mess...
packersfan
Footballguy
I have to assume if he plays he's close to being healthy. It would be pretty stupid for Lewis to play him if he isn't ready. So we'll have to wait until Sunday or see what further reports we get today about how he's doing. I agree this does suck. Due to a stupid rule in my league that I hate I'd have to start both Rudi and Watson if Rudi returns. And yea I know
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I was thinking the same thing. But I have to wonder. Rudi didn't practice all week. He participates in this practice. Could this be a smoke screen for KC? Mabye Watson is really the guy here but they want KC to think otherwise...
packersfan
Footballguy
We'll have to see what info the injury report provides. If he was limited that could open the door for him to sit. If he practiced fully it's pretty much a lock he'll play. The Broncos have had similar situations the past two games - a player sitting Wednesday and Thursday and practicing Friday. One guy sat (Walker in Week 4) and the other started (Henry in Week 5).
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Returning to practice and practicing fully are two different things. I would like to know what happened here. Any Cinci homers got any insight from local talk radio, local news?
packersfan
Footballguy
KFFL is seconding this report. Bengals | R. Johnson listed as probable for Week 6Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:22:37 -0700Mark Curnutte, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, reports Cincinnati Bengals RB Rudi Johnson (hamstring) has been listed as probable for Week 6.
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Outkast
Footballguy
The smokescreen was C Palmer's quote earlier in the week re Watson. Watson will play extensively....on 3rd downs
packersfan
Footballguy
That wouldn't be a surprise. Here is the number of Watson's touches in the first two games when Rudi was healthy:1That's it. Maybe he's more involved this week but if the Bengals are listing Rudi as probable it's likely to assume he'll get his regular workload. I think the only hope for Watson is if the Bengals get a lead and run the ball 30-35 times. Maybe he'll get 8-10 carries that way. But if Rudi's healthy enough to play I'm not sure he'll be limited unless he re-aggravates the injury during the game.
Arrrrghhhh. I thought I was golden with Watson because once he replaced Rudi, he got all the carries in 2 games aside from 2 carries for the FB. Unlike the NE game, where they fell behind, this week seemed like a decent week for Watson to get a lot of carries. Now I have to pay attention to the Maroney, Jordan and GB RB threads.
I wouldn't want to be a Rudi owner either because you could say that Watson has been a little more effective. Watson's game against NE was much better than Rudi's agains Baltimore, both in the top 5 rushing defenses. In the same game, Watson had a much better game (9-60-1 vs. Rudi's 17-9-0) and the Seattle game was back and forth all day (Seattle won in the last few minutes 24-21), so it wasn't a case where Seattle was gaming for Rudi instead of Palmer or garbage time for Watson. Not saying Watson is better than Rudi, but I might be a little worried.
Pound
Footballguy
I'm in the same boat, division game as well. I won't start Rudi since I have other options but I hope he can limit Kenny's stats by playing.
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
This is madness. Rudi Johnson one of the best running backs in the NFL is healthy and people are complaining. What the hell is going on here?.
You got him now you put him in the lineup. When he gets his 100 yards and a TD against the Chiefs and you smile and be happy. Jeez.
You got him now you put him in the lineup. When he gets his 100 yards and a TD against the Chiefs and you smile and be happy. Jeez.
packersfan
Footballguy
The only concern is whether the beat writer's report about Rudi losing some carries to Watson will be correct. So far this season - as I posted earlier - when Rudi's been healthy Watson has spent his days hanging out on the sidelines. What we don't know is how close to 100% Rudi is. If he's fully healthy, he'll get his normal workload in all probability. But if he's less than that perhaps the Bengals lower his touches and give some more to Watson to ensure Rudi stays healthy. To me, that's the only issue here and that's why Rudi brings some risk this week despite his proven talent.
Not really, but he is in one of the best offenses for a RB since the defense has to respect the passing game more than the running game.Him not having a 4.5 or above YPC is inexcusable in that offense and it shows his mediocrity.
Pound
Footballguy
Well to be fair he has only been in 2.5 games so far, one of them being vs the Ravens so the sample size is very small. He was the #9 RB last season and right now with the bye and injuries seems to left the FFL spotlight. When healthy, Rudi will return to RB1 form and have his share of good games.
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broncofan13000
Footballguy
Chad Johnson was on Sirius radio about 30 minutes ago and was asked about Rudi Johnson....he said that Rudi did practice today, but friday is there light practice (non-contact) ... he said he isn't sure if Rudi will be ready, and maybe a gametime decision (or something like that)
PatrickT
Footballguy
I dunno, I'm feeling coach speak here. Make it seem like Rudi's questionable, really iffy, announce him at gametime, and he takes the full load. At least, that's what I'm going with. If they announce he's playing, I'm starting him.
Anyone know what Marvin's tendencies towards that type of gamesmanship are?
Anyone know what Marvin's tendencies towards that type of gamesmanship are?
packersfan
Footballguy
Update from RotoWire with Lewis quotes (rather odd ones in my opinion):
Coach Marvin Lewis said that a decision on the availability of Johnson, who is listed as having practiced fully Friday, won't be made until game-time Sunday, the Bengals' official site reports. "He's healthy to play; I'll make the decision," Lewis said Friday regarding Johnson, who is officially listed as probable. It's strange that he's being called a game-time decision with that injury designation, but at least the Bengals play an early game this week, so Johnson/Kenny Watson owners will be able to get confirmation on Rudi's status Sunday prior to kickoff. Our guess is that he goes, but check back with us for confirmation.
Coach Marvin Lewis said that a decision on the availability of Johnson, who is listed as having practiced fully Friday, won't be made until game-time Sunday, the Bengals' official site reports. "He's healthy to play; I'll make the decision," Lewis said Friday regarding Johnson, who is officially listed as probable. It's strange that he's being called a game-time decision with that injury designation, but at least the Bengals play an early game this week, so Johnson/Kenny Watson owners will be able to get confirmation on Rudi's status Sunday prior to kickoff. Our guess is that he goes, but check back with us for confirmation.
Raiders Fan
The Black Hole
Not a good indication that Johnson will play a lot.. How can you be probable and also GTD.. Looks like Lewis is trying to throw the D off. I am not expecting Johnson to be much of a factor..
PantherPower
Footballguy
I'm starting MJD and benching Rudi even if he plays...
Jackal King
Footballguy
This is really starting to feel like there's an agenda beyond health here. Something isn't right.
Schrute
Footballguy
Looks to me like Marvin Lewis has lost his marbles. What is going on in Cincinnati?
Brutis
Footballguy
I believe Rudi is listed as Probable, not too often probably guys dont play.
packersfan
Footballguy
John Clayton says Rudi will play. This is from his Friday injury report:
"The Bengals will have Rudi Johnson back at halfback. He's listed as probable, as he recovers from a hamstring injury."
"The Bengals will have Rudi Johnson back at halfback. He's listed as probable, as he recovers from a hamstring injury."
SteelerMurf
Footballguy
almost never unless they get hurt in pregame.
packersfan
Footballguy
That's the big question. I don't think there's any way to know. The Cincinnati Enquirer beat writer speculates they will alternate series. Maybe Bengals' homers can chime in to tell us how good this writer is. The primary issue is the Bengals haven't been running the ball much so far. Through the first four games they are averaging only 20 rushing attempts per game from the lead RB position. So if there's an equal split neither guy will probably do much unless one of them scores (likely Rudi since he would probably get the goal-line looks if he plays). If the Bengals try to emphasize the running game more they could run it 30-35 times a game and then both guys have the potential to be at least RB3s if the split is equal. If Rudi is deemed completely healthy and gets his normal workload Watson is toast. I posted earlier that in the first two games with a healthy Rudi Johnson, Watson got a grand total of 1 touch on a reception. That's it. So if Rudi's healthy or he gets off to a fast start and looks good then Watson could end up as a bystander again from a fantasy perspective.There's really no way to know what's going to happen because nobody knows how healthy Rudi is. Again, if he isn't close to 100% I think Lewis is a fool to play him at all. Why run the risk of further injuring his starting RB? That he's listed as probable strongly indicates he's ready to go but it is possible they still give some carries to Watson to ensure Rudi doesn't risk further injury and to keep him healthy for the rest of the season. How's that for a long winded way of saying I have no idea what's gonna happen?
SteelerMurf
Footballguy
I was gonna have to take a zero if Rudi didn't play (nobody is cutable on my roster)....so a splitting time Rudi is good news for me
I don't know why all the sudden everyone is so high on Watson. He is a career backup that Cincy has been trying to get rid of for year by drafting fairly high RBs who get hurt every season.
I don't know why all the sudden everyone is so high on Watson. He is a career backup that Cincy has been trying to get rid of for year by drafting fairly high RBs who get hurt every season.
Is this a function of the new injury report rules, maybe? It seems anybody on the list that fully practices is probable, limited practice is questionable, no practice is doubtful or out. It's far from a perfect system, and in some ways it's worse than it was.
Rudi practiced so he's probable, but they would still want to see how his hammy responds after practicing, so he's a GTD.
Rudi practiced so he's probable, but they would still want to see how his hammy responds after practicing, so he's a GTD.
I can't speak for everyone but the only reason for me was because of the bye week fill. I have FWP, Henry & Young. Starting ADP and had D Williams. With only a 15 player roster where you start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1K & 1DEF it doesn't leave you very much wiggle room for bye week replacements. When I heard that Rudi was questionable and maybe doutbful it made Watson the obvious pick up over D William. Now I am doubting it and wondering if I go back out and use another move, which we only have 25 per year, and take one of the guys out there. which are Norwood, Turner, C Taylor, Turner or get D Williams back.
And Packerfans wasn't long winded it was a good perspective on the situation!Thanks
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packersfan
Footballguy
I don't think Watson is any threat to a healthy Rudi Johnson. He isn't as talented and he doesn't bring the between-the-tackles game that Rudi does and that the Bengals need. However, he's looked decent when called upon the last two games and in a PPR league he has a little extra appeal because he's the third-down RB (although it's definitely worth noting again that Rudi has been much more involved in the passing game this season). I think the smart move for the Bengals is to give the No. 2 RB - regardless of who it is - 5-8 carries a game just to make sure Rudi stays healthy for the entire season. He's been incredibly durable until this season but this team definitely needs him if they want to make the playoffs so I think it's smart to cut back on his workload a little bit to ensure he stays on the field. Maybe that's what Lewis is thinking and we'll see Watson get more involved even if Rudi is healthy.
packersfan
Footballguy
Thanks. I'm definitely trying to figure this one out too because not only am I a Rudi owner but I picked up Watson this week for insurance and because of a stupid rule in my league that I hate I have to start him no matter what. So while I'm thrilled Rudi is back I'm hoping Watson gets something for me on Sunday so that I'm not stuck with a 0 in his spot.
