Saints being investigated for putting bounties on players (2 Viewers)

[azgroover]

Poor Kurt Warner, on the wrong end of both major recent NFL scandals. That hit the Saints delivered on him in the playoffs was his final play for those that don't recall.

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

Marcellus Wiley, ex NFL player ESPN employee just said, every single team he has been on had a bounty system in place. He also said every single team in the league has one. This is no big deal!

And every team in the NBA did under the table deals like the T-Wolves did with the Joe Smith ordeal.But when they were caught, they were punished...severely.It's a big deal.

Look Andy, I understand, no football and you need something but this story will go away quickly once the league understands what's what. It's a internal bonus system for making plays, every team does it and the League will not be able to hammer the Saints because they will have to hammer 31 other teams. It's a non issue.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Marcellus Wiley, ex NFL player ESPN employee just said, every single team he has been on had a bounty system in place. He also said every single team in the league has one. This is no big deal!

And every team in the NBA did under the table deals like the T-Wolves did with the Joe Smith ordeal.But when they were caught, they were punished...severely.

It's a big deal.

Look Andy, I understand, no football and you need something but this story will go away quickly once the league understands what's what. It's a internal bonus system for making plays, every team does it and the League will not be able to hammer the Saints because they will have to hammer 31 other teams. It's a non issue.

Uh no. It's not for "making plays". It's for injuring other guys.And you're totally wrong. They'll make an example of the Saints.

 

[Premier]

Marcellus Wiley, ex NFL player ESPN employee just said, every single team he has been on had a bounty system in place. He also said every single team in the league has one. This is no big deal!

And every team in the NBA did under the table deals like the T-Wolves did with the Joe Smith ordeal.But when they were caught, they were punished...severely.It's a big deal.

Look Andy, I understand, no football and you need something but this story will go away quickly once the league understands what's what. It's a internal bonus system for making plays, every team does it and the League will not be able to hammer the Saints because they will have to hammer 31 other teams. It's a non issue.

The league is going to crush the Saints.

 

[Zigg]

Poor Kurt Warner, on the wrong end of both major recent NFL scandals. That hit the Saints delivered on him in the playoffs was his final play for those that don't recall.

The hit on Warner was 100% legal.

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

How desperately to these players need an extra $10K that it would be worth knowing they ended another man's career?

Look guys, the money is put in a pool, it's put in by the players, at the end of the year a winner is declared, then they go out to dinner and use the money in the pool for dinner. No one is pocketing money, this a psychological carrot that ALL teams use, ALL TEAMS, to increase performance and make plays. It's a game within the game.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Marcellus Wiley, ex NFL player ESPN employee just said, every single team he has been on had a bounty system in place. He also said every single team in the league has one. This is no big deal!

And every team in the NBA did under the table deals like the T-Wolves did with the Joe Smith ordeal.But when they were caught, they were punished...severely.It's a big deal.

Look Andy, I understand, no football and you need something but this story will go away quickly once the league understands what's what. It's a internal bonus system for making plays, every team does it and the League will not be able to hammer the Saints because they will have to hammer 31 other teams. It's a non issue.

You're delusional, Goodell is going to KILL the Saints. They have 50,000 ####### pages detailing this stuff.You think they have that on 31 other teams? That's why its a big deal. They'll make an example out of them.It might be different if it was just for performance. Its not. Its also for injuries, which is a stance the league HAS to make an example out of, or they'll be branded as hypocrites.

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

Marcellus Wiley, ex NFL player ESPN employee just said, every single team he has been on had a bounty system in place. He also said every single team in the league has one. This is no big deal!

And every team in the NBA did under the table deals like the T-Wolves did with the Joe Smith ordeal.But when they were caught, they were punished...severely.It's a big deal.

Look Andy, I understand, no football and you need something but this story will go away quickly once the league understands what's what. It's a internal bonus system for making plays, every team does it and the League will not be able to hammer the Saints because they will have to hammer 31 other teams. It's a non issue.

The league is going to crush the Saints.

Wrong! The draft will take place and you won't hear another peep of this.

 

[azgroover]

Poor Kurt Warner, on the wrong end of both major recent NFL scandals. That hit the Saints delivered on him in the playoffs was his final play for those that don't recall.

The hit on Warner was 100% legal.

yep, he just agreed on the radio.

 

[Jake22]

Being a diehard Steeler fan, I BETTER see some VERY LARGE fines/suspensions from Goodell on this one...otherwise everything he has done up to this point has been BS then...

 

[Jeremy]

Marcellus Wiley, ex NFL player ESPN employee just said, every single team he has been on had a bounty system in place. He also said every single team in the league has one. This is no big deal!

If this is true now, it won't be after Goodell is done making an example out of the Saints.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Marcellus Wiley, ex NFL player ESPN employee just said, every single team he has been on had a bounty system in place. He also said every single team in the league has one. This is no big deal!

And every team in the NBA did under the table deals like the T-Wolves did with the Joe Smith ordeal.But when they were caught, they were punished...severely.It's a big deal.

Look Andy, I understand, no football and you need something but this story will go away quickly once the league understands what's what. It's a internal bonus system for making plays, every team does it and the League will not be able to hammer the Saints because they will have to hammer 31 other teams. It's a non issue.

The league is going to crush the Saints.

Wrong! The draft will take place and you won't hear another peep of this.

You're going to be spectacularly wrong over the next month. Should be fun. Your early posts in this thread will be Hippled all offseason.

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

Marcellus Wiley, ex NFL player ESPN employee just said, every single team he has been on had a bounty system in place. He also said every single team in the league has one. This is no big deal!

And every team in the NBA did under the table deals like the T-Wolves did with the Joe Smith ordeal.But when they were caught, they were punished...severely.It's a big deal.

Look Andy, I understand, no football and you need something but this story will go away quickly once the league understands what's what. It's a internal bonus system for making plays, every team does it and the League will not be able to hammer the Saints because they will have to hammer 31 other teams. It's a non issue.

You're delusional, Goodell is going to KILL the Saints. They have 50,000 ####### pages detailing this stuff.You think they have that on 31 other teams? That's why its a big deal. They'll make an example out of them.It might be different if it was just for performance. Its not. Its also for injuries, which is a stance the league HAS to make an example out of, or they'll be branded as hypocrites.

Just wait and see, I'm telling you guys, youre looking for drama where there will be none.

 

[Premier]

Marcellus Wiley, ex NFL player ESPN employee just said, every single team he has been on had a bounty system in place. He also said every single team in the league has one. This is no big deal!

And every team in the NBA did under the table deals like the T-Wolves did with the Joe Smith ordeal.But when they were caught, they were punished...severely.It's a big deal.

Look Andy, I understand, no football and you need something but this story will go away quickly once the league understands what's what. It's a internal bonus system for making plays, every team does it and the League will not be able to hammer the Saints because they will have to hammer 31 other teams. It's a non issue.

The league is going to crush the Saints.

Wrong! The draft will take place and you won't hear another peep of this.

Yes I forgot there was occasionally fishing over here. I thought you were a myopic Saints fan till I looked at the username. Carry on.

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

Marcellus Wiley, ex NFL player ESPN employee just said, every single team he has been on had a bounty system in place. He also said every single team in the league has one. This is no big deal!

And every team in the NBA did under the table deals like the T-Wolves did with the Joe Smith ordeal.But when they were caught, they were punished...severely.It's a big deal.

Look Andy, I understand, no football and you need something but this story will go away quickly once the league understands what's what. It's a internal bonus system for making plays, every team does it and the League will not be able to hammer the Saints because they will have to hammer 31 other teams. It's a non issue.

The league is going to crush the Saints.

Wrong! The draft will take place and you won't hear another peep of this.

You're going to look like a spectacularly wrong idiot over the next month. Should be fun. Your early posts in this thread will be Hippled all offseason.

Well, I would rather be wrong than a spectacular tool any day.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Marcellus Wiley, ex NFL player ESPN employee just said, every single team he has been on had a bounty system in place. He also said every single team in the league has one. This is no big deal!

And every team in the NBA did under the table deals like the T-Wolves did with the Joe Smith ordeal.But when they were caught, they were punished...severely.It's a big deal.

Look Andy, I understand, no football and you need something but this story will go away quickly once the league understands what's what. It's a internal bonus system for making plays, every team does it and the League will not be able to hammer the Saints because they will have to hammer 31 other teams. It's a non issue.

The league is going to crush the Saints.

Wrong! The draft will take place and you won't hear another peep of this.

You're going to look like a spectacularly wrong idiot over the next month. Should be fun. Your early posts in this thread will be Hippled all offseason.

Well, I would rather be wrong than a spectacular tool any day.

Fair enough. Might have come on a little strong there. But bold statements like those you're making, as if the rest of us are morons for thinking this is a big deal, deserve a strong response.

 

[Sabertooth]

Paging Luke Skywalker

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

The other teams might have done it too, but they won't be doing it again once the NFL comes down on the Saints. Message will be heard loud and clear I suspect.

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

Marcellus Wiley, ex NFL player ESPN employee just said, every single team he has been on had a bounty system in place. He also said every single team in the league has one. This is no big deal!

And every team in the NBA did under the table deals like the T-Wolves did with the Joe Smith ordeal.But when they were caught, they were punished...severely.It's a big deal.

Look Andy, I understand, no football and you need something but this story will go away quickly once the league understands what's what. It's a internal bonus system for making plays, every team does it and the League will not be able to hammer the Saints because they will have to hammer 31 other teams. It's a non issue.

The league is going to crush the Saints.

Wrong! The draft will take place and you won't hear another peep of this.

Yes I forgot there was occasionally fishing over here. Carry on.

Who's fishing? I'm seriously telling you the Saints aren't going to lose draft picks. This is a player sponsored activity that happens on all teams. How hard is it to do the math? They won't be able to make an example out of the Saints because every team does it. It's not fishing, you guys are just so hungry for blood every time there is an opportunity.

 

[Zigg]

Is anyone going to take a guess at a punishment? I imagine a large fine(s) are guaranteed, but what about picks?

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

Marcellus Wiley, ex NFL player ESPN employee just said, every single team he has been on had a bounty system in place. He also said every single team in the league has one. This is no big deal!

And every team in the NBA did under the table deals like the T-Wolves did with the Joe Smith ordeal.But when they were caught, they were punished...severely.It's a big deal.

Look Andy, I understand, no football and you need something but this story will go away quickly once the league understands what's what. It's a internal bonus system for making plays, every team does it and the League will not be able to hammer the Saints because they will have to hammer 31 other teams. It's a non issue.

The league is going to crush the Saints.

Wrong! The draft will take place and you won't hear another peep of this.

You're going to look like a spectacularly wrong idiot over the next month. Should be fun. Your early posts in this thread will be Hippled all offseason.

Well, I would rather be wrong than a spectacular tool any day.

Fair enough. Might have come on a little strong there. But bold statements like those you're making, as if the rest of us are morons for thinking this is a big deal, deserve a strong response.

I think you making the statement that the League is going to crush the Saints and take away draft picks is more bold than me saying that this is something that has been taking place for decades by all teams.

 

[solorca]

How desperately to these players need an extra $10K that it would be worth knowing they ended another man's career?

Look guys, the money is put in a pool, it's put in by the players, at the end of the year a winner is declared, then they go out to dinner and use the money in the pool for dinner. No one is pocketing money, this a psychological carrot that ALL teams use, ALL TEAMS, to increase performance and make plays. It's a game within the game.

Saints fan?

 

[netnalp]

The other teams might have done it too, but they won't be doing it again once the NFL comes down on the Saints. Message will be heard loud and clear I suspect.

Yup. Some people said everyone was doing what the Pats were doing and issued penalties. Everyone might have bounties but the Saints got caught and it seems they continued to do so after being told to stop.

 

[Chairshot]

Marcellus Wiley, ex NFL player ESPN employee just said, every single team he has been on had a bounty system in place. He also said every single team in the league has one. This is no big deal!

And every team in the NBA did under the table deals like the T-Wolves did with the Joe Smith ordeal.But when they were caught, they were punished...severely.It's a big deal.

Look Andy, I understand, no football and you need something but this story will go away quickly once the league understands what's what. It's a internal bonus system for making plays, every team does it and the League will not be able to hammer the Saints because they will have to hammer 31 other teams. It's a non issue.

The league is going to crush the Saints.

Wrong! The draft will take place and you won't hear another peep of this.

Yes I forgot there was occasionally fishing over here. Carry on.

Who's fishing? I'm seriously telling you the Saints aren't going to lose draft picks. This is a player sponsored activity that happens on all teams. How hard is it to do the math? They won't be able to make an example out of the Saints because every team does it. It's not fishing, you guys are just so hungry for blood every time there is an opportunity.

I realize you have to be fishing here, but I have to ask:Why in the world would the NFL open and conduct an evidently very extensive investigation if they felt it was no big deal? The only reason they would do an investigation is so they could find out if they are guilty, and if so, punish them.I have no idea what the punishment will or should be but I'd be shocked if they NFL said, "Well, we investigated for a long time and they were breaking the rules egregiously, just like we thought. But every team does it, so no big whoop, everyone carry on!"

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Is anyone going to take a guess at a punishment? I imagine a large fine(s) are guaranteed, but what about picks?

I'll take a stab:--Greg Williams suspended for at least a year (don't think it's impossible he's banned from the NFL)--The GM and Peyton suspended for 8 games or a year--Saints lose at least one first, and cap room is reduced as punishment for off-the-books payments--Not sure how the players will be handled since some of them are on other teams now

 

[Chairshot]

Is anyone going to take a guess at a punishment? I imagine a large fine(s) are guaranteed, but what about picks?

I'll take a stab:--Greg Williams suspended for at least a year (don't think it's impossible he's banned from the NFL)--The GM and Peyton suspended for 8 games or a year--Saints lose at least one first, and cap room is reduced as punishment for off-the-books payments--Not sure how the players will be handled since some of them are on other teams now

Wow, if this were to happen it would be way beyond any punishment the NFL has ever given out.I think they will punish them, but the above seems really extreme.

 

[PewterFan]

Poor Kurt Warner, on the wrong end of both major recent NFL scandals. That hit the Saints delivered on him in the playoffs was his final play for those that don't recall.

This was my first thought upon hearing the news. It's the reason why I was rooting for the Colts in the championship game. Such a dirty team.

 

[NightStalkers]

Punishment= Not allowed to sign Drew Brees.... Now that would be punishment

 

[Ballstein]

The NFL has 50,000 pages of hard evidence. Administered by G.Williams. The money handed out violates the NFL collective bargaining agreement. Evidence that Saints Organization/gm had Knowlege of the bounties. They did nothing to stop it. Multiple problems here. The Saints are going to get nailed.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Wow, if this were to happen it would be way beyond any punishment the NFL has ever given out.I think they will punish them, but the above seems really extreme.

Obviously that's just my guess. But I'd bet a lot of money that whatever it is it's 'extreme.'

 

[Premier]

Marcellus Wiley, ex NFL player ESPN employee just said, every single team he has been on had a bounty system in place. He also said every single team in the league has one. This is no big deal!

And every team in the NBA did under the table deals like the T-Wolves did with the Joe Smith ordeal.But when they were caught, they were punished...severely.It's a big deal.

Look Andy, I understand, no football and you need something but this story will go away quickly once the league understands what's what. It's a internal bonus system for making plays, every team does it and the League will not be able to hammer the Saints because they will have to hammer 31 other teams. It's a non issue.

The league is going to crush the Saints.

Wrong! The draft will take place and you won't hear another peep of this.

Yes I forgot there was occasionally fishing over here. Carry on.

Who's fishing? I'm seriously telling you the Saints aren't going to lose draft picks. This is a player sponsored activity that happens on all teams. How hard is it to do the math? They won't be able to make an example out of the Saints because every team does it. It's not fishing, you guys are just so hungry for blood every time there is an opportunity.

Ok.

 

[ArcticEdge]

This makes total sense. The year they won the superbowl, I thought hey were the dirtiest defense i ever saw. Something wasn't right.

I thought that same thing, especially in that Vikings game.

 

[TLEF316]

Marcellus Wiley, ex NFL player ESPN employee just said, every single team he has been on had a bounty system in place. He also said every single team in the league has one. This is no big deal!

And every team in the NBA did under the table deals like the T-Wolves did with the Joe Smith ordeal.But when they were caught, they were punished...severely.It's a big deal.

Look Andy, I understand, no football and you need something but this story will go away quickly once the league understands what's what. It's a internal bonus system for making plays, every team does it and the League will not be able to hammer the Saints because they will have to hammer 31 other teams. It's a non issue.

The league is going to crush the Saints.

Wrong! The draft will take place and you won't hear another peep of this.

Yes I forgot there was occasionally fishing over here. Carry on.

Who's fishing? I'm seriously telling you the Saints aren't going to lose draft picks. This is a player sponsored activity that happens on all teams. How hard is it to do the math? They won't be able to make an example out of the Saints because every team does it. It's not fishing, you guys are just so hungry for blood every time there is an opportunity.

Uh, harshly punishing one team to stop everybody from doing it is pretty much the text book definition of "making an example out of".

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Is anyone going to take a guess at a punishment? I imagine a large fine(s) are guaranteed, but what about picks?

I'll take a stab:--Greg Williams suspended for at least a year (don't think it's impossible he's banned from the NFL)--The GM and Peyton suspended for 8 games or a year--Saints lose at least one first, and cap room is reduced as punishment for off-the-books payments--Not sure how the players will be handled since some of them are on other teams now

Wow, if this were to happen it would be way beyond any punishment the NFL has ever given out.I think they will punish them, but the above seems really extreme.

Considering that there have been numerous lawsuits, allegations of covering up head injuries on the league's part, player suicides and dementia, lawsuits from injuries are not a passing fad. Taking that into consideration with the fact that the team was aware of this pool, the hammer will fall and fall hard. I'm not too sure that wdc's list will be fully penalized, but (I think) it's somewhere in the ballpark.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Who's fishing? I'm seriously telling you the Saints aren't going to lose draft picks. This is a player sponsored activity that happens on all teams. How hard is it to do the math? They won't be able to make an example out of the Saints because every team does it. It's not fishing, you guys are just so hungry for blood every time there is an opportunity.

At least the Vikings are in the clear on this thing!! Their defense hasn't come close to anyone in the last couple years, so there would be no evidence against them!!!

 

[flapgreen]

I can't believe any team would be this stupid.

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

How desperately to these players need an extra $10K that it would be worth knowing they ended another man's career?

Look guys, the money is put in a pool, it's put in by the players, at the end of the year a winner is declared, then they go out to dinner and use the money in the pool for dinner. No one is pocketing money, this a psychological carrot that ALL teams use, ALL TEAMS, to increase performance and make plays. It's a game within the game.

Saints fan?

Not at all. Just a guy living in Los Angeles who is a Ravens fan with 4 family members who work for the NFL and some of their teams, none of them with the Saints.

 

[thelimey]

Pat Kirwan on Twitter:

"There could be lawsuits to follow by players injured in games against the Saints during the 2009-11 seasons.Lawers have been texting me"

 

[flapgreen]

Marcellus Wiley, ex NFL player ESPN employee just said, every single team he has been on had a bounty system in place. He also said every single team in the league has one. This is no big deal!

And every team in the NBA did under the table deals like the T-Wolves did with the Joe Smith ordeal.But when they were caught, they were punished...severely.It's a big deal.

Look Andy, I understand, no football and you need something but this story will go away quickly once the league understands what's what. It's a internal bonus system for making plays, every team does it and the League will not be able to hammer the Saints because they will have to hammer 31 other teams. It's a non issue.

The league is going to crush the Saints.

Wrong! The draft will take place and you won't hear another peep of this.

Yes I forgot there was occasionally fishing over here. Carry on.

Who's fishing? I'm seriously telling you the Saints aren't going to lose draft picks. This is a player sponsored activity that happens on all teams. How hard is it to do the math? They won't be able to make an example out of the Saints because every team does it. It's not fishing, you guys are just so hungry for blood every time there is an opportunity.

Is Roger Goddell "hungry for blood", too?

 

[Premier]

How desperately to these players need an extra $10K that it would be worth knowing they ended another man's career?

Look guys, the money is put in a pool, it's put in by the players, at the end of the year a winner is declared, then they go out to dinner and use the money in the pool for dinner. No one is pocketing money, this a psychological carrot that ALL teams use, ALL TEAMS, to increase performance and make plays. It's a game within the game.

Saints fan?

Not at all. Just a guy living in Los Angeles who is a Ravens fan with 4 family members who work for the NFL and some of their teams, none of them with the Saints.

Wow I didn't know you have family members who work for nfl teams. That changes everything.

 

[flapgreen]

The league needs to come down hard on the Saints for this. They basically cheated their way to a superbowl title.

It's pretty bad but I'm not sure if I would go that far.

 

[flapgreen]

How desperately to these players need an extra $10K that it would be worth knowing they ended another man's career?

Look guys, the money is put in a pool, it's put in by the players, at the end of the year a winner is declared, then they go out to dinner and use the money in the pool for dinner. No one is pocketing money, this a psychological carrot that ALL teams use, ALL TEAMS, to increase performance and make plays. It's a game within the game.

Saints fan?

Not at all. Just a guy living in Los Angeles who is a Ravens fan with 4 family members who work for the NFL and some of their teams, none of them with the Saints.

Wow I didn't know you have family members who work for nfl teams. That changes everything.

I'm convinced.

 

[Ballstein]

Adrian Peterson was right about the Saints. He said they were trying to hurt him.

 

[netnalp]

Adam Schefter

Washington Post reports Redskins had a bounty system for big hits on opponents under their former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams.

Kiss RGIII goodbye?

 

[Gadabout]

 

[GroveDiesel]

Adam SchefterWashington Post reports Redskins had a bounty system for big hits on opponents under their former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams.Kiss RGIII goodbye?

Oof. And from followup tweets from some other guys, it sounds like Gregg Williams ran that one too. He really is going to end up with a lifetime ban at this rate.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Who snitched?

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

The league needs to come down hard on the Saints for this. They basically cheated their way to a superbowl title.

how so?

 

[dkocourek]

As a Vikings fan, I've been asking the FBG staff over the past year or so to change the photo of Favre on the front page of the website so I'm not constantly reminded about that NFC championship game. Maybe now they will.

 

[Disc Shark]

Gonna cost some draft picks.

My first guess would be suspensions and fines for the players and Williams and any coaches who participated.