Saints DE- Charles Grant (1 Viewer)

[Mr. Sparkle]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3405684

BLAKELY, Ga. -- New Orleans Saints defensive end Charles Grant has been indicted on a charge of involuntary manslaughter stemming from a February altercation at a nightclub.

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Grant, who was stabbed in the neck during the fracas, was charged by an Early County grand jury that also charged Laquient Macklin with felony murder and feticide in the shooting death of Korynda Reed, 23. Reed died after being taken to the Southeast Alabama Medical Center in Dothan, after the fight early Feb. 3.

The indictment was posted on the Web site of the Early County News on Tuesday.

"We are aware and have no comment," Saints spokesman Greg Bensel said.

District Attorney Charles M. Ferguson could not be reached for comment Tuesday night.

Sheriff's Capt. Will Caudill said at the time of the melee that there was no known connection between Grant and Reed. He said the fight started inside the club and then moved outside, and Grant was attacked after shots were fired.

Woodrow Gray was indicted on a charge of aggravated assault in the knife attack on Grant, a former University of Georgia star from nearby Colquitt.

Grant was selected by the Saints in the first round of the 2002 NFL draft. He had 2½ sacks in 2007 while starting 14 games for the Saints and has 38½ over his six-year career.

In addition to Grant and Macklin, and Marshae Stromer, Anthony Wilson, Jarvis Tinson, Rodreaco Gray and Woodrow Gray were charged with involuntary manslaughter for alleged participation in the fight.

Grant also received misdemeanor fighting charges.

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Sorry for all parties involved and the families...all that said, Grant wasn't exactly setting the league on fire last season with 2.5 sacks in 14 games. He was a very good DE prior to last season.

Fantasy slant: Only helps the NO offense and skill position players as it takes away a pass rusher that will ulitimately put more pressure on an already swiss cheese secondary(they did upgrade in the off season), and when defenses give up big pass plays, that puts the offense back on the field quickly.

Eveyone likes to analyze the skill position players but a large part of what I look at in determining RB, QB, WR outlooks ar actually things involving the OL and DL...you can often find a lot in what is going on in the trenches.

 

[saintfool]

Sorry for all parties involved and the families...all that said, Grant wasn't exactly setting the league on fire last season with 2.5 sacks in 14 games. He was a very good DE prior to last season.Fantasy slant: Only helps the NO offense and skill position players as it takes away a pass rusher that will ulitimately put more pressure on an already swiss cheese secondary(they did upgrade in the off season), and when defenses give up big pass plays, that puts the offense back on the field quickly.Eveyone likes to analyze the skill position players but a large part of what I look at in determining RB, QB, WR outlooks ar actually things involving the OL and DL...you can often find a lot in what is going on in the trenches.

i have to think the saints saw this coming. they signed bobby mccray, who is a pretty good pass rusher (10 sacks in 2006), in the offseason.

 

[ukshane]

What the hell is "feticide"? Did he beat up a pregnant chick?

 

[GroveDiesel]

I guess I'm not clear as to what he did exactly. Was it that he was involved in a fight where a pregnant lady got shot and killed? I know that involuntary manslaughter can be used pretty broadly. Being involved in a bar fight where a pregnant lady gets killed is pretty bad on its own, but it's not really clear just how much he was directly responsible for her death.

 

[JAA]

id bet the house he gets less of a suspension from the NFL than adam jones did

 

[cstu]

Sounds similar to what Ray Lewis was involved in, details are sketchy as to why he was stabbed and who shot the woman. I'll refrain from comments about a pregnant woman being in a club.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Feticide

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Feticide or foeticide is an act that causes the death of a fetus.[1] In a legal context, "fetal homicide" refers to the deliberate or incidental killing of a fetus due to a criminal human act, such as a punch or kick to the abdomen of a pregnant woman. As a medical term, feticide is destruction of a fetus,[2] for example as the first phase of a legal induced abortion.[3] Feticide does not refer to the death of a fetus from entirely natural causes, or through the spontaneous abortion of a pregnancy where the life of the fetus could not be maintained artificially ex utero.

 

[TheFanatic]

What the hell is "feticide"? Did he beat up a pregnant chick?

The woman who died was pregnant. Thus the charge of feticide as they were unable to save the baby.I seriously doubt he gets convicted of this charge. This is just the opening salvo from the prosecutor. Once GRant's attorney's step in it will get reduced down to something like disorderly conduct. He will get convicted of some misdemeanor, not a felony.

 

[Chachi]

I'll refrain from comments about a pregnant woman being in a club.

I'm going to do the same even though it's very hard.

 

[saintfool]

From the Times-Pic, after the initial event...

Grant depicted as bar brawl victim

DE says his injuries are 'nothing major'

Tuesday, February 05, 2008

By Jimmy Smith

Staff writer

Although he was injured in an incident at a Blakely, Ga., bar early Sunday morning, Saints defensive end Charles Grant was no instigator or willing participant, according to police.

Capt. Will Caudill, chief investigator for the Early County Sheriff's Office, said that though the fracas is still under investigation, there appears to be no connection between Grant and a pregnant woman who died after being struck by gunfire, and Grant was a victim, not a perpetrator.

Korynda Reed, 23, of Blakely, was pronounced dead at Southeast Alabama Medical Center in Dothan, Ala. Caudill said investigators are still awaiting autopsy results that are being performed by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation crime lab.

"Right now, I don't know of any connection between the two," Caudill said Monday. "It appears that Ms. Reed was just a bystander who was struck by gunfire, and Mr. Grant was a victim of assault. We don't know if she was ever in the club."

On Monday, Grant said that his injuries were not serious, but he referred all other questions about the incident to his attorney.

"I'm good," Grant said by cell phone. "I'm good. It's nothing major. I'm up moving, walking. I'm good."

Grant said he was taken to the Early Memorial Hospital by ambulance.

"But I was good," Grant said.

Grant suffered a stab wound, possibly from a glass bottle, in the back right side of the neck, his attorney, Edward Tolley of Athens, Ga., said Monday.

The Saints again Monday said they would have no comment.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said Monday the league was aware of the incident but would not comment.

"He's very fortunate," Tolley said Monday. "We're so grateful (the wound) missed everything. He could have been seriously injured, but blessedly it missed any major arteries or his spine."

Tolley said the wound was stitched inside and out and that by Sunday night, Grant was his customary jovial self.

Tolley, who went to Blakely on Sunday evening to gather facts, said it was his understanding that the woman who was killed was not part of the altercation, but a victim of random gunfire. While Tolley said that Grant was reportedly "bleeding profusely" from the wound, there was no significant blood loss.

"Clearly, whoever struck Charles struck him from behind," Tolley said. "He's getting follow-up medical attention today. But he'll be fine. There wasn't enough blood loss to have endangered his life."

According to Caudill, the fight began inside Club 92, a nightclub on North Church Street in Blakely, about 190 miles southwest of Atlanta about 1 a.m.

"It carried over outside, and that's where we believe Mr. Grant was assaulted," Caudill said. "It took place on the street. He's clearly the victim of an assault, but we can't comment beyond that. It was a melee; there were several different fights."

Caudill questioned Grant about the incident but said he didn't know about the severity of Grant's injury.

"He was pretty well bandaged up by the time I got there," Caudill said.

No arrests were made. The case remains under investigation, according to Caudill.

Tolley said no one seems to know what precipitated the fight.

"There were a couple of young men in there fighting, but Charles was not part of the fight," Tolley said. "He's a big guy. He kind of stands out in a crowd. This wasn't one of those deals where Charles went in and started a fight. He wasn't even drinking. I think that's important for people to know."

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Jimmy Smith can be reached at jsmith@timespicayune.com or (504) 826-3814.

now, maybe some of his entourage got mixed up in this (which is why i think he was charged with involuntary manslaughter) but this report suggests that the initial investigation cleared him of wrongdoing or involvement.

 

[Chachi]

From the Times-Pic, after the initial event...

Grant depicted as bar brawl victim

DE says his injuries are 'nothing major'

Tuesday, February 05, 2008

By Jimmy Smith

Staff writer

Although he was injured in an incident at a Blakely, Ga., bar early Sunday morning, Saints defensive end Charles Grant was no instigator or willing participant, according to police.

Capt. Will Caudill, chief investigator for the Early County Sheriff's Office, said that though the fracas is still under investigation, there appears to be no connection between Grant and a pregnant woman who died after being struck by gunfire, and Grant was a victim, not a perpetrator.

Korynda Reed, 23, of Blakely, was pronounced dead at Southeast Alabama Medical Center in Dothan, Ala. Caudill said investigators are still awaiting autopsy results that are being performed by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation crime lab.

"Right now, I don't know of any connection between the two," Caudill said Monday. "It appears that Ms. Reed was just a bystander who was struck by gunfire, and Mr. Grant was a victim of assault. We don't know if she was ever in the club."

On Monday, Grant said that his injuries were not serious, but he referred all other questions about the incident to his attorney.

"I'm good," Grant said by cell phone. "I'm good. It's nothing major. I'm up moving, walking. I'm good."

Grant said he was taken to the Early Memorial Hospital by ambulance.

"But I was good," Grant said.

Grant suffered a stab wound, possibly from a glass bottle, in the back right side of the neck, his attorney, Edward Tolley of Athens, Ga., said Monday.

The Saints again Monday said they would have no comment.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said Monday the league was aware of the incident but would not comment.

"He's very fortunate," Tolley said Monday. "We're so grateful (the wound) missed everything. He could have been seriously injured, but blessedly it missed any major arteries or his spine."

Tolley said the wound was stitched inside and out and that by Sunday night, Grant was his customary jovial self.

Tolley, who went to Blakely on Sunday evening to gather facts, said it was his understanding that the woman who was killed was not part of the altercation, but a victim of random gunfire. While Tolley said that Grant was reportedly "bleeding profusely" from the wound, there was no significant blood loss.

"Clearly, whoever struck Charles struck him from behind," Tolley said. "He's getting follow-up medical attention today. But he'll be fine. There wasn't enough blood loss to have endangered his life."

According to Caudill, the fight began inside Club 92, a nightclub on North Church Street in Blakely, about 190 miles southwest of Atlanta about 1 a.m.

"It carried over outside, and that's where we believe Mr. Grant was assaulted," Caudill said. "It took place on the street. He's clearly the victim of an assault, but we can't comment beyond that. It was a melee; there were several different fights."

Caudill questioned Grant about the incident but said he didn't know about the severity of Grant's injury.

"He was pretty well bandaged up by the time I got there," Caudill said.

No arrests were made. The case remains under investigation, according to Caudill.

Tolley said no one seems to know what precipitated the fight.

"There were a couple of young men in there fighting, but Charles was not part of the fight," Tolley said. "He's a big guy. He kind of stands out in a crowd. This wasn't one of those deals where Charles went in and started a fight. He wasn't even drinking. I think that's important for people to know."

. . . . . . .

Jimmy Smith can be reached at jsmith@timespicayune.com or (504) 826-3814.

now, maybe some of his entourage got mixed up in this (which is why i think he was charged with involuntary manslaughter) but this report suggests that the initial investigation cleared him of wrongdoing or involvement.

Hate to sound like a lawyer here but if they were going to charge him due to associations, you'd see the word conspiracy in the charges, which don't exist.

 

[saintfool]

Hate to sound like a lawyer here but if they were going to charge him due to associations, you'd see the word conspiracy in the charges, which don't exist.

from the T-P today, excerpted...

Details of the indictment were published Tuesday on the Early County News' Web site. According to the report, the men were all charged because of their involvement in a fight that resulted in the death of Korynda Reed, 23, a pregnant bystander who was shot and killed by a stray bullet during a nightclub fracas. Grant, 29, who was stabbed in the neck during the melee, also received misdemeanor fighting charges.Grant's attorney Edward Tolley of Athens, Ga., described the indictment as one of the "most unusual" he has seen."I assure you we intend to plead not guilty and put up a pretty vigorous fight," Tolley said.The Saints are aware of the development but had no comment, according to vice president of communications Greg Bensel. Early County officials could not be reached for comment and neither could Grant.Tolley said that Grant will arrange to turn himself in soon, then follow the legal process."I think all the evidence is that Grant did not participate in a fight, start a fight or shoot a gun," Tolley said. "It's created a unique indictment. We'll have to do the best we can to sort this out."

 

[TheFanatic]

I'll refrain from comments about a pregnant woman being in a club.

I'm going to do the same even though it's very hard.

This was discussed at length when it first happened. No smoking is the club, we don't know how far along she was and just because she was there doesn't mean she was drinking or doing anything detrimental to the life of the child. Except of course getting caught in the middle of a melee outside of a bar...

 

[QUEZILLA]

Sure glad the Bucs never signed him. IIRC, they had him in for a visit last season.

 

[Football Menace]

I saw Grant at the Hornets game Monday night, sure didn't look like he was too worried about these charges. I don't any of it sticks.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Honestly, I'm surprised that there's not more info out there about what happened. A commentor over at PFT said that he read or heard that the fight was between Grant's cousin and some other guys, it spilled outside, Grant tried to get his cousin to leave, the other guy said or did something to the cousin and Grant's cousin pulled out his gun. Grant tried to wrestle the gun away from his cousin and in the process the gun went off and killed the pregnant woman.

That's really the only story that I've read that gives any narrative at all for this situation. No idea if it's even remotely true. It sure seems like Grant didn't really do anything wrong though in this situation and it's kind of puzzling that he'd be charged with involuntary manslaughter. I guess if the story happened like the guy at PFT said, it would make some sense that he would be charged with involuntary manslaughter but probable (I would think) that there will be a plea deal for a much lower charge.

 

[massraider]

Honestly, I'm surprised that there's not more info out there about what happened. A commentor over at PFT said that he read or heard that the fight was between Grant's cousin and some other guys, it spilled outside, Grant tried to get his cousin to leave, the other guy said or did something to the cousin and Grant's cousin pulled out his gun. Grant tried to wrestle the gun away from his cousin and in the process the gun went off and killed the pregnant woman.That's really the only story that I've read that gives any narrative at all for this situation. No idea if it's even remotely true. It sure seems like Grant didn't really do anything wrong though in this situation and it's kind of puzzling that he'd be charged with involuntary manslaughter. I guess if the story happened like the guy at PFT said, it would make some sense that he would be charged with involuntary manslaughter but probable (I would think) that there will be a plea deal for a much lower charge.

Definitely a mystery, and I do wonder if he is getting the short end of the stick, because he is famous.As to the info coming out, I think the more people involved, the less likely it is to get a true picture of what happened. I have witnessed all out brawls, and doubt I could have given an accurate account. JMO.

 

[switz]

What the hell is "feticide"? Did he beat up a pregnant chick?

Yeah, basically means an unborn baby is killed. Funny how when it's unintentional it's illegal, but when it's intentional it's legal.Maybe he should just argue he was doing her a favor