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Stafford did not have a bad year unless you judge him solely on statistics.
I realize we're hijacking here but were you impressed with his rookie season? I didn't see him play except Thanksgiving, but his stats including INTs, AY/A, and Y/A actually appear worse as the season wore on aside from the game against the Browns. The other defenses he played against were solid to very good, so I'm sure that's a big part of it. But as you almost certainly saw more than most of us, what impressed you about his play?
Aside from some typical rookie decisions, I was pretty impressed with Stafford's play. Stafford had one weapon, no time to throw, and no running game to keep the safeties from dropping deep. People really don't realize just how bad this team was. He had zero chance to have a good statistical season as soon as he stepped on the field, so it made watching the games very important. It is hard to put up good numbers when you have one legit offensive weapon (Calvin) and defenses lean coverages to his area of the field on practically every play. Pettigrew was improving before he was injured, but other than that, there was nothing. I was very impressed with his leadership and resiliency and his ability to more or less shrug off bad plays by both himself and the other players. He did trust his rocket arm too much at times, but that is not a concern to me. Stafford's toughness will never be questioned after what he did in the Cleveland game. Stafford has elite physical skills and I was looking at the mental parts of the game and anything involving leadership. He is already the unquestioned leader of this team. He took charge in the huddle. I think his awareness is reasonably high and his pocket presence is decent, but not great. I think his football IQ is very high and he seems to have a good feel for the game. For the most part, I did not see a lot of the "deer in the headlights" look. He is very mature also and was only 21 years old when the season started. The things I disliked the most was Stafford not putting enough air under some deep throws and that caused some accuracy issues. Reports around here suggest that he has made significant improvements in that aspect of his game, but I really want to see it in game action. He also tried to force the ball into places where there was no chance of a completion, but some of that is inexperience. He has a gunslingers mentality and that leads to interceptions. Stafford has to take better care of the ball and has to avoid sacks. He also is fearless and has to be more careful at times or he will wind up being hurt. It is difficult to look at bad statistics and see through them to the good and that is if you see the games. It is impossible to judge a player based solely on stats, especially a rookie QB with very little help. It isn't easy to see through this during the game and I am not a scout, but what I saw was a QB who improved drastically from the first game to the last and who always looked like he had confidence. Stafford passed the so-called eye test. He just looks like a QB who will be able to make plays when they have to be made. He is the unquestioned leader of this team already and his toughness (both mental and physical) is off the charts. Some QBs possess physical gifts, but they are meaningless if they don't translate into making plays when it matters. Stafford has the intangibles and the physical gifts to be a great QB. his decision making will be the key. Rookie QBs make poor decisions and they are magnified when the surrounding cast is weak. Stafford still has a lot to learn and will have more growing pains, but there should be significant improvement this year. He has a year of experience and a much better supporting cast. I really want to see how Stafford does now that he has some legitimate options in the passing game. This is the first time in my life that I am genuinely excited about a Lions QB and I'm almost 50 years old.
 
I want to avoid making this thread about Stafford, but I wanted to answer the question. The thing about rookie QBs is that situation makes a big difference. A QB like Flacco or Sanchez has a big advantage when they have a great defense and can run the ball effectively. Conversely, a QB like Stafford had very little help and there was no way he could be expected to have a solid statistical season. The one thing I looked for was how Stafford's confidence held up and how he handled adversity. He passed those tests with flying colors. I also wanted to make sure he was not a David Carr type who looked like a player who lost confidence as he played more.

Bradford does not have great WRs and the line is very young, so he obviously will have growing pains. I think he will have plenty of struggles this year, much like Stafford did last year. But the factors I mentioned in the Stafford post are what I will look for whenever I see the Rams. Bradford will face plenty of adversity and like Stafford, he will be under the microscope because of his huge contract. I think Bradford has enormous talent, but talent alone will not make him a great QB. The great ones have to lead and make plays when it matters. It will be tough to judge Bradford on the latter with a surrounding cast lacking in talent and his stats will probably not be all that great this year.

I personally think Bradford is going to be elite and I would be very excited if I was a Rams fan. But patience will be important because I think he will struggle quite a bit this year.

 
Vermeil got to watch rookie quarterback Sam Bradford, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, during practice on Monday afternoon.

"Well, he's impressive on the field, and I watched him play some college football,'' Vermeil said. "And Terry Shea, who coached quarterbacks for me with the Kansas City Chiefs was involved in training him in preparation for the NFL Draft for three months, and he said he was the most impressive quarterback he's worked with for last couple of years in that same environment.''

 
Any reviews of Bradford's performance last night, I didn't have a chance to see it? I really want to get excited about this guy's dynasty prospects, but the current state of the Rams is making it real difficult.

 
Any reviews of Bradford's performance last night, I didn't have a chance to see it? I really want to get excited about this guy's dynasty prospects, but the current state of the Rams is making it real difficult.
It's a dynasty league, it doesn't matter what the current state of the franchise is. Sam Bradford has Peyton Manning ability. I am trying as hard as I can to trade up to get him in my rookie draft.
 
Any reviews of Bradford's performance last night, I didn't have a chance to see it? I really want to get excited about this guy's dynasty prospects, but the current state of the Rams is making it real difficult.
Bradford showed glimpses of his potential with a couple of very nice throws, and did a good job feeling the pressure and checking down, but we really didn't see enough of him because the OL is still in flux and OTs Saffold and Smith showed their inexperience. They might still switch spots based on their performance through the preseason, so we'll see. Despite the OT issues, Bradford looked like the best QB on the roster, comfortably.
 
Sacked 4 times last night, the OL is going to get him killed. No way he will start all 16 games.
The team is still experimenting with the OL. Jason Brown wasn't even at center. You may end up proven right, but the first game of the preseason typically isn't enough to predict how the whole season will go.
 
Sacked 4 times last night, the OL is going to get him killed. No way he will start all 16 games.
The team is still experimenting with the OL. Jason Brown wasn't even at center. You may end up proven right, but the first game of the preseason typically isn't enough to predict how the whole season will go.
Except it's been this way for a couple seasons now. It has to be one of the 3-5 worst OL in football. I said in the beginning of this thread that he won't be standing around pouring afternoon tea in the backfield anymore waiting for hos WRs to get open like he did in OKlahoma most of the time. I'm not saying Bradford cannot throw the football, I don't think I've ever said that but St Louis is a horrible team right now on both sides of the line IMO. Detroit was 0-16 a couple years ago and they have started to rebuild the lines on top of getting Stafford and I think their 1st team defense showed marked improvement last night against the Pitt 1st team rushing attack(which might not be saying much). Maybe the Rams can pull it together with another off season but I believe in 2010 things are gonna be messy in that passing game.
 
One thing about franchise QBs, teams go to work real quick on fixing the OL. The same thing happened to Aikman. Give them time. The Rams will build around Bradford.

He's got immense talent (HOF-type ability, IMO). Bradford will help turn that offense around in time. And as far as the D is concerned, the worse off the better (for FF purposes).

Bradford will obviously take his lumps this season, but the sky is the limit.

 
TheBradyBunch said:
Any reviews of Bradford's performance last night, I didn't have a chance to see it? I really want to get excited about this guy's dynasty prospects, but the current state of the Rams is making it real difficult.
He had no time to throw. That O Line is awful. He was getting instant pressure on most attempts. His body language and facial expressions were some I have never seen before. The positives - on the few plays he had time he delivered the ball on the money. Looks like they are going to use a lot of shotgun which will only help him as he is most comortable from shotgun.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Abrantes said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Sacked 4 times last night, the OL is going to get him killed. No way he will start all 16 games.
The team is still experimenting with the OL. Jason Brown wasn't even at center. You may end up proven right, but the first game of the preseason typically isn't enough to predict how the whole season will go.
Except it's been this way for a couple seasons now. It has to be one of the 3-5 worst OL in football. I said in the beginning of this thread that he won't be standing around pouring afternoon tea in the backfield anymore waiting for hos WRs to get open like he did in OKlahoma most of the time. I'm not saying Bradford cannot throw the football, I don't think I've ever said that but St Louis is a horrible team right now on both sides of the line IMO. Detroit was 0-16 a couple years ago and they have started to rebuild the lines on top of getting Stafford and I think their 1st team defense showed marked improvement last night against the Pitt 1st team rushing attack(which might not be saying much). Maybe the Rams can pull it together with another off season but I believe in 2010 things are gonna be messy in that passing game.
You don't have to tell me that the line was crap in the past (though it was shaping up while healthy last year). However, given that two out of the five starters have changed, and like I said, one of the returning players wasn't even starting at his position yesterday, I'm not sure how much bearing the past players' performance have on 2010.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Abrantes said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Sacked 4 times last night, the OL is going to get him killed. No way he will start all 16 games.
The team is still experimenting with the OL. Jason Brown wasn't even at center. You may end up proven right, but the first game of the preseason typically isn't enough to predict how the whole season will go.
Except it's been this way for a couple seasons now. It has to be one of the 3-5 worst OL in football. I said in the beginning of this thread that he won't be standing around pouring afternoon tea in the backfield anymore waiting for hos WRs to get open like he did in OKlahoma most of the time. I'm not saying Bradford cannot throw the football, I don't think I've ever said that but St Louis is a horrible team right now on both sides of the line IMO. Detroit was 0-16 a couple years ago and they have started to rebuild the lines on top of getting Stafford and I think their 1st team defense showed marked improvement last night against the Pitt 1st team rushing attack(which might not be saying much). Maybe the Rams can pull it together with another off season but I believe in 2010 things are gonna be messy in that passing game.
You don't have to tell me that the line was crap in the past (though it was shaping up while healthy last year). However, given that two out of the five starters have changed, and like I said, one of the returning players wasn't even starting at his position yesterday, I'm not sure how much bearing the past players' performance have on 2010.
It doesn't take years to rebuild an O Line, that is the good news for the Rams.
 
MoP bump...even though I may be jinxing the second half of the season ;)
I praised Bradford over a month ago. I put my opinions in a weekly thread out every week. No need to bump and the season is not over. I would think you would want to not jinx what has been a awesome turnaround and a possible playoff push. GL to the Rams and their fans.
 
MoP bump...even though I may be jinxing the second half of the season :headbang:
I praised Bradford over a month ago. I put my opinions in a weekly thread out every week. No need to bump and the season is not over. I would think you would want to not jinx what has been a awesome turnaround and a possible playoff push. GL to the Rams and their fans.
I would love to see someone who is perfect on every player, but alas no one is. Don't see why people do the "I told you so" bumps.Lets see, in addition to saying Bradford had Peyton Manning ability, and starting the Ray Rice bandwagon thread, I also said that Ladell Betts would be a better pro than Frank Gore, MJD was a Dave Megget clone, and Desean Jackson was a slot receiver at best. Everyone misses.
 
I wonder if STL brass would subject him to Randy Moss. Could be great for him or could be a bad influence.

Mort on the ESPN halftime report just said he'd bet his money on Moss getting claimed by STL.

 
I wonder if STL brass would subject him to Randy Moss. Could be great for him or could be a bad influence. Mort on the ESPN halftime report just said he'd bet his money on Moss getting claimed by STL.
Bradford is deadly accurate right now. Randy Moss could really put them over the top for the NFC West. NFC in general is up for grabs. Would be great to watch Moss with a rookie like Bradford. Fans should be banging the drum for this one to happen.
 
MoP bump...even though I may be jinxing the second half of the season :goodposting:
I praised Bradford over a month ago. I put my opinions in a weekly thread out every week. No need to bump and the season is not over. I would think you would want to not jinx what has been a awesome turnaround and a possible playoff push. GL to the Rams and their fans.
I would love to see someone who is perfect on every player, but alas no one is. Don't see why people do the "I told you so" bumps.Lets see, in addition to saying Bradford had Peyton Manning ability, and starting the Ray Rice bandwagon thread, I also said that Ladell Betts would be a better pro than Frank Gore, MJD was a Dave Megget clone, and Desean Jackson was a slot receiver at best. Everyone misses.
Plus the guy I said the Rams should take...Suh...he's only the defensive rookie of the year right now and is looking like the 2nd coming of Warren Sapp. Both guys were good obviously. The guy I really didn't like was McCoy and despite TB being 5 dash 2, he isn't helping that much. They are near the bottom in rush defense. But good for the Rams.
 
MoP bump...even though I may be jinxing the second half of the season :banned:
I praised Bradford over a month ago. I put my opinions in a weekly thread out every week. No need to bump and the season is not over. I would think you would want to not jinx what has been a awesome turnaround and a possible playoff push. GL to the Rams and their fans.
:sadbanana: Yes, yes, pointing out your completely off-base prediction is a "jinx".

 
One thing about franchise QBs, teams go to work real quick on fixing the OL. The same thing happened to Aikman. Give them time. The Rams will build around Bradford.He's got immense talent (HOF-type ability, IMO). Bradford will help turn that offense around in time. And as far as the D is concerned, the worse off the better (for FF purposes).Bradford will obviously take his lumps this season, but the sky is the limit.
You sir know things.
 
"I would love to see someone who is perfect on every player, but alas no one is. Don't see why people do the "I told you so" bumps."

I agree with this for the most part. But the tools that post "Bust" and "Trainwreck" and "The death of the Rams" type stuff deserve a bump for posting such nonsense before a player even plays his first game.

 
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I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed. So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
Good time for a thread bump
They just need to get him more weapons. More weapons fixes everything.

Just joking, but hopefully we can put that theory to rest soon. There is a reason a QB like Roethlisberger still finds a way to perform well and win despite a bad O line and limited weapons, but Bradford can't. One is good the other is not. There are not enough weapons in the world to fix Bradford.

I understand that he has had to learn new systems each year and his current OC is terrible, but I still don't see anything that shows me he can be great. Just average.

 
Worth every penny
Perhaps. The bigger question is whether St. Louis will be able to afford better supporting players now that they've committed $50 million to Bradford.
They now have one of the wealthiest owners in pro sports (if you add in his wifes money), so I doubt money is going to be an issue.
There's not enough money in the world that could make Sam Bradford a good quarterback.
 
I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed. So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
Good time for a thread bump
They just need to get him more weapons. More weapons fixes everything.

Just joking, but hopefully we can put that theory to rest soon. There is a reason a QB like Roethlisberger still finds a way to perform well and win despite a bad O line and limited weapons, but Bradford can't. One is good the other is not. There are not enough weapons in the world to fix Bradford.

I understand that he has had to learn new systems each year and his current OC is terrible, but I still don't see anything that shows me he can be great. Just average.
You mean Ben Roethlisberger who is 0-3 because he has no offensive line and no running game? I think that was a poor comparison for your point, because it seems to prove the opposite of what you are proposing....

 
I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed. So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
Good time for a thread bump
They just need to get him more weapons. More weapons fixes everything.

Just joking, but hopefully we can put that theory to rest soon. There is a reason a QB like Roethlisberger still finds a way to perform well and win despite a bad O line and limited weapons, but Bradford can't. One is good the other is not. There are not enough weapons in the world to fix Bradford.

I understand that he has had to learn new systems each year and his current OC is terrible, but I still don't see anything that shows me he can be great. Just average.
You mean Ben Roethlisberger who is 0-3 because he has no offensive line and no running game? I think that was a poor comparison for your point, because it seems to prove the opposite of what you are proposing....
Yes. That's the one! I didn't realize there was another one.

Ok so I should have elaborated more. Ben hasn't had a O line or really a running game for the last three years. They finished 12-4 in 2011, 8-8 last year. Nothing spectacular, but watch them both play. Ben makes things happen despite the weak support, while Bradford just looks lost.

I would have used Brady for the lack of weapons comparison, but his O Line has always been very good so it wasnt a fair comparison. Ben was just the first name that came to mind who has been in a similar situation to Bradford. There is a world of difference between how they respond to their tough situation.

 
I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed. So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
Good time for a thread bump
They just need to get him more weapons. More weapons fixes everything.

Just joking, but hopefully we can put that theory to rest soon. There is a reason a QB like Roethlisberger still finds a way to perform well and win despite a bad O line and limited weapons, but Bradford can't. One is good the other is not. There are not enough weapons in the world to fix Bradford.

I understand that he has had to learn new systems each year and his current OC is terrible, but I still don't see anything that shows me he can be great. Just average.
You mean Ben Roethlisberger who is 0-3 because he has no offensive line and no running game? I think that was a poor comparison for your point, because it seems to prove the opposite of what you are proposing....
Yes. That's the one! I didn't realize there was another one.

Ok so I should have elaborated more. Ben hasn't had a O line or really a running game for the last three years. They finished 12-4 in 2011, 8-8 last year. Nothing spectacular, but watch them both play. Ben makes things happen despite the weak support, while Bradford just looks lost.

I would have used Brady for the lack of weapons comparison, but his O Line has always been very good so it wasnt a fair comparison. Ben was just the first name that came to mind who has been in a similar situation to Bradford. There is a world of difference between how they respond to their tough situation.
I'm of the belief that Sam Bradford probably needs to go. He will never do anything in St. Louis.

That being said, Ben always had WR's and a TE. Now he's in a similar boat as Sam and the only difference right now, is that Sam at least has a win. Ben is not making it happen either. It's sad to see for both of these guys.

 
I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed. So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
Good time for a thread bump
They just need to get him more weapons. More weapons fixes everything.

Just joking, but hopefully we can put that theory to rest soon. There is a reason a QB like Roethlisberger still finds a way to perform well and win despite a bad O line and limited weapons, but Bradford can't. One is good the other is not. There are not enough weapons in the world to fix Bradford.

I understand that he has had to learn new systems each year and his current OC is terrible, but I still don't see anything that shows me he can be great. Just average.
You mean Ben Roethlisberger who is 0-3 because he has no offensive line and no running game? I think that was a poor comparison for your point, because it seems to prove the opposite of what you are proposing....
Yes. That's the one! I didn't realize there was another one.

Ok so I should have elaborated more. Ben hasn't had a O line or really a running game for the last three years. They finished 12-4 in 2011, 8-8 last year. Nothing spectacular, but watch them both play. Ben makes things happen despite the weak support, while Bradford just looks lost.

I would have used Brady for the lack of weapons comparison, but his O Line has always been very good so it wasnt a fair comparison. Ben was just the first name that came to mind who has been in a similar situation to Bradford. There is a world of difference between how they respond to their tough situation.
I'm of the belief that Sam Bradford probably needs to go. He will never do anything in St. Louis.

That being said, Ben always had WR's and a TE. Now he's in a similar boat as Sam and the only difference right now, is that Sam at least has a win. Ben is not making it happen either. It's sad to see for both of these guys.
In Hindsight, you are correct. There is no difference between Bradford and Big Ben right now. Both in bad situations and both playing terribly.

 
I posted before the Rams drafted him that he would set the franchise back at least 5 years and my opinion has not changed. So many holes to fill and so much money wrapped up in a position they can neither protect or exploit, good luck Rams fans.
Good time for a thread bump
They just need to get him more weapons. More weapons fixes everything.

Just joking, but hopefully we can put that theory to rest soon. There is a reason a QB like Roethlisberger still finds a way to perform well and win despite a bad O line and limited weapons, but Bradford can't. One is good the other is not. There are not enough weapons in the world to fix Bradford.

I understand that he has had to learn new systems each year and his current OC is terrible, but I still don't see anything that shows me he can be great. Just average.
You mean Ben Roethlisberger who is 0-3 because he has no offensive line and no running game? I think that was a poor comparison for your point, because it seems to prove the opposite of what you are proposing....
Yes. That's the one! I didn't realize there was another one.

Ok so I should have elaborated more. Ben hasn't had a O line or really a running game for the last three years. They finished 12-4 in 2011, 8-8 last year. Nothing spectacular, but watch them both play. Ben makes things happen despite the weak support, while Bradford just looks lost.

I would have used Brady for the lack of weapons comparison, but his O Line has always been very good so it wasnt a fair comparison. Ben was just the first name that came to mind who has been in a similar situation to Bradford. There is a world of difference between how they respond to their tough situation.
I'm of the belief that Sam Bradford probably needs to go. He will never do anything in St. Louis.

That being said, Ben always had WR's and a TE. Now he's in a similar boat as Sam and the only difference right now, is that Sam at least has a win. Ben is not making it happen either. It's sad to see for both of these guys.
In Hindsight, you are correct. There is no difference between Bradford and Big Ben right now. Both in bad situations and both playing terribly.
Watching a lot of the Pitt/Minn game right now, I feel for the Pitt fans. This is the kinda crap I've been dealing with for years as a Rams fan. It looks remarkable similar. But at least the Stealers are in the game. The Rams would've rolled over about midway through the first...

 

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