Frankly, I don’t care who it is. Shanahan is an offensive guru and you have to be able to trust him to find a guy he can make elite. Whether the draftniks have the same grade on that guy as Kyle really doesn’t matter. The team isn’t nearly as loaded on defense anymore, and to be a contender they had to make an aggressive move to be really good at QB. The timing of this, pretty soon after Watson’s off the field allegations came out, suggests to me they may have been working on something for him as well. I don’t blame them for wanting to go in a different direction.
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farfromforgotten
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Pretty boring from what I’ve read.
Kyle Shanahan: “hey, whatcha doin?”
John Lynch: “nothin much, what’re you doin?”
KS: “Thinkin about QBs.”
JL: “who ya thinkin about?”
KS: “Lance”
JL:
KS: “should I call MIA?”
JL: “sure”
5 mins later
KS: “whatcha doin?”
Miami Dolphins: “thinkin about tradin”
JL: backs up the Brinx Truck of trades
MIA:
KS:
JL:
wait a few weeks.
Lance:
Goodell sitting in his big stupid fireside overstuffed chair:
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Maybe. That’s definitely the narrative they are pushing today, which was foreseeable no matter who they picked. Lots of people in the building thought it was going to be Jones for some reason. I’m curious as to whether everyone was just extrapolating from Simms in the absence of communication from Kyle, or if the people in the building were being told different things.Pretty boring from what I’ve read.
Kyle Shanahan: “hey, whatcha doin?”
John Lynch: “nothin much, what’re you doin?”
KS: “Thinkin about QBs.”
JL: “who ya thinkin about?”
KS: “Lance”
JL:
KS: “should I call MIA?”
JL: “sure”
5 mins later
KS: “whatcha doin?”
Miami Dolphins: “thinkin about tradin”
JL: backs up the Brinx Truck of trades
MIA:
KS:
JL:
wait a few weeks.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Nah - this was a media-driven narrative the entire time.
The one dude who had it right was Eich Eisen. He nailed it 100%
The simple fact is that the Niners used to be leaky as hell & one of the 1st things Lynch/Shanny did was plug those holes. This is a team that does not leak info - so all those “an inside source tells me” were basically Peter King looking in a mirror, making s**t up & hiding behind “anonymous team sources” that he didn’t have.
of course, it’s 2021, so that will quickly be forgotten and not destroy his credibility as it rightly should.
Here was Eisen on the 22nd nailing this:
https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/2021-04-Might-have-been-Trey-Lance-all-along-16121901.php
I don’t think Schefter reports stuff without any basis. Local beat guys like Maiocco and Biderman have expressly stated that their sources in the building thought it was Mac Jones. Your supposition that those guys were all making this up for clicks is thoroughly unpersuasive.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s not my supposition.
schefter & others reported what King said, citing that King cited anonymous sources.
and the media carousel echo chamber was off to the races.
it became “tribal knowledge” that the Niners were taking Mac Jones because they all started echoing each other.
I saw at least 3 articles citing other “insiders”, referring to other reporters citing anonymous team sources.
So no - I don’t believe they all made it up. I believe one made it up & the rest became an echo chamber. And Maiocco (who I like) is just as guilty of this.
And the evidence that Shanahan picked Lance, and said it was *always* Lance seems to back that up.
So to you I’ll say that your supposition that Shanahan is lying is thoroughly unpersuasive. After all - he took Lance, not Mac Jones.
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Biderman said on his podcast this morning that he got bad info from an inside source he normally trusts. They weren’t all just running off a Peter King report.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Sounds a lot like Biderman’s “inside source” deliberately fed him bad info.
because for several years now the 49ers simply don’t leak.
And again - in the age of goldfish-like memories, there will be absolutely no consequences for inaccurate reporting. So this cycle will continue.
The simple fact is that no one in the media (except Eisen) got this right, and now they’ve all got egg on their faces.
it is what it is, but these claims of sources are laughable considering how wrong about Mac Jones they all were.
Or - and hear me out here with this insane idea - people in the building actually thought Jones would be the pick for some reason.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Except what was reported on Monday or Tuesday was that “people in the building” wanted Lance, and Shanny was “dead set” on Jones. That “people in the scouting dept” were “trying to convince Shanny to take Jones”
and, here me out with this insane fact, that all turned out to be complete and utter BS.
I think folks need to stop listening to “experts” with “sources” about 3 weeks before the draft, because there’s so rarely accurate information, but there’s always reporters willing to spread that inaccurate speculation around as “news” so long as there are enough suckers to click on the links.
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farfromforgotten
Footballguy
San Francisco trades #43 and a 7th rd pick to Las Vegas for #48 and #121.
San Francisco selects Aaron Banks, G Notre Dame
I like the value of the picks received to move down a little but I did like a couple of the DBs that went in between picks 43-47.
San Francisco selects Aaron Banks, G Notre Dame
I like the value of the picks received to move down a little but I did like a couple of the DBs that went in between picks 43-47.
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farfromforgotten
Footballguy
San Francisco trades picks #117 and 121 to the Los Angeles Rams for pick #88.
San Francisco selects Trey Sermon, RB Ohio State
I don't mind giving up the two 4ths to move up but I'm surprised that they went RB with the pick. Sermon looked really good at times with Ohio State. Maybe he and Trey Lance will run wild over opposing NFL defenses for years to come.
Edit: I'm of the mind that I'd rather have potential studs in the draft than depth or role players, regardless of position of need or not. Sermon could be a really good one.
San Francisco selects Trey Sermon, RB Ohio State
I don't mind giving up the two 4ths to move up but I'm surprised that they went RB with the pick. Sermon looked really good at times with Ohio State. Maybe he and Trey Lance will run wild over opposing NFL defenses for years to come.
Edit: I'm of the mind that I'd rather have potential studs in the draft than depth or role players, regardless of position of need or not. Sermon could be a really good one.
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farfromforgotten
Footballguy
San Francisco selects Ambry Thomas, CB Michigan with their comp pick #102.
Well it's DB help finally. I like the guy who went right before him to Detroit however, Melifonwu. I don't know anything about Thomas so I'll have to watch some highlights I suppose.
Well it's DB help finally. I like the guy who went right before him to Detroit however, Melifonwu. I don't know anything about Thomas so I'll have to watch some highlights I suppose.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Why paraphrase what I say when we have a quote feature.
We are also now gifted with accurate information that backs up my contention & makes much of their “reporting” look foolish, so perhaps I’m not “back” to anything but rather still on the point that we know what we know & they were all wrong.
why continue to defend their wrongness? Why have an attitude about me preferring the correct information?
This ain’t personal to me, but it seems to be to you. Those guys never had the right answer. None of them. Yet they all claimed sources gave them specific info.
But since there are never consequences for clickbait, they’ll keep doing it.
Lance was the pick, right? Right.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I would have liked this a couple rounds ago, but I do like the players they took.!
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
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100% agree with this take. Some interesting quotes from Shanahan about this.Except what was reported on Monday or Tuesday was that “people in the building” wanted Lance, and Shanny was “dead set” on Jones. That “people in the scouting dept” were “trying to convince Shanny to take Jones”
and, here me out with this insane fact, that all turned out to be complete and utter BS.
I think folks need to stop listening to “experts” with “sources” about 3 weeks before the draft, because there’s so rarely accurate information, but there’s always reporters willing to spread that inaccurate speculation around as “news” so long as there are enough suckers to click on the links.
https://www.49ers.com/news/kyle-shanahan-john-lynch-trey-lance-nfl-draft-quarterback-north-dakota-state
Head Coach Kyle Shanahan:
"Now, we wanted an opportunity to go and look at everybody, but I think just looking at this whole process, I think I was in Mexico the day we made the trade and within hours, there's at least two people who are out there speculating that their opinions are they think we're taking Mac Jones and ever since then, I've kind of just watched every single person assume that that was accurate and that those weren't opinions, those were facts.
"To watch that happen and to kind of watch everyone just assume, because a couple people say something, that's exactly how you feel, we weren't going to work to correct that. At all."
"So, let that be, and whatever way that went, it was going to go and it was crazy to watch where it all went, but no one has known anything but us. So, it's been fun to watch. I haven't been in many situations in my career like that and when you get an opportunity to go through something like that, it is really cool to find out about people in your building, how they handle it. It's really cool to kind of watch people in the media, too, a little bit and just see who gives opinions, who gives some sources that you watch it and you're like, 'All right, I know that's not true. So where's that going?' And you just get to see people for two months and how things are. I haven't been in many situations like that and it was kind of neat to see. You learn a lot about your organization. You learn a lot about other people"
I was watching the Zach Wilson pro day when the trade was made and Daniel Jeremiah on-air, speculated that the trade was for someone who already had their Pro Day and then threw out Mac Jones's name. Then Chris Simms tweeted out that it was Mac Jones and, as stated in other posts, the echo chamber and the competition for Twitter views and re-tweets took off and no one will remember or care about any of the inaccurate reporting.
Love that Lance was the pick. Really excited about his future. Like the Banks pick too. Love his quote:
“If you can’t protect your quarterback, you can’t really win games,” he said. “I don’t know where else to go with that. … We had a saying at Notre Dame: The team goes as we go. By ‘we,’ I mean the offensive line. If you don’t have an offensive line that can protect the quarterback and assert the run game, then you’re going to have a tough time.”
bouji
Footballguy
You were right the entire time. Personally, I never really bought the Mac Jones hype until Biderman started reporting that he had good reasons to believe he would be the pick on Tuesday. God bless the 49ers organization; I have no idea how they kept this secret for a month straight.
Once the betting odds started flipping Thursday morning though, the Lance pick was inevitable. Someone let the cat out of the bag.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’d hoped for Fields, but was ok with Lance. And now that I’ve read more about his fit for the Niners offense (experience play action passing behind center) I’m 100% on board with the pick.
But yeah - I knew it wasn’t Mac freakin Jones from minute #1. I swear imma hire that guy’s agent.
chinawildman
Footballguy
The 2 Treys are gonna be $.
Sermon is a guy that first caught my eye while watching to find out more about Fields. Big back with great feet, runs with good lean and great change of direction skills. Took over against Northwestern in the Big10 champ game when Fields no-showed... FWIW also heard Waldman say on a podcast that's his #1 RB for the 2021 class.
Sermon is a guy that first caught my eye while watching to find out more about Fields. Big back with great feet, runs with good lean and great change of direction skills. Took over against Northwestern in the Big10 champ game when Fields no-showed... FWIW also heard Waldman say on a podcast that's his #1 RB for the 2021 class.
I'm a big fan of Sermon. I know he has some injury issues (welcome to the SF backfield!) but I think he can be the top rookie back this year. Behind that oline with this scheme, he is a perfect fit.
I'm hoping he sneaks farther down the my draft as people focus on the bigger names
Unfortunately I think the opposite will happen as he will start to shoot up boards based on landing spot. Mid to late 1st might be where he starts to get taken in some drafts. I think you are going to have to pay to get him in this thin RB draft.
woodstock
Footballguy
Yeah, that's what's going to happen. I know somebody who has two mid first-rounders, and is seriously considering him depending on the way things fall. He's got enough draft capital, high recommendations from the league and scouts, and lands in a decent situation with the 49ers. He's a first round pick for sure, in my book. The main guy at Fantasy Pros has him 12th now on his big board, and he'll continue to climb, I suppose.
I don't disagree. My only hope is that we draft in July so we are early before the hype builds.
Come training camp i think he shoots up the boards
Wingnut
Footballguy
Wow, crickets in here!
Preseason is 2 days away. Let's goooooo!
Here's the first episode of this year's Brick By Brick.
Setting the tone
Preseason is 2 days away. Let's goooooo!
Here's the first episode of this year's Brick By Brick.
Setting the tone
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Shoulda been a catch. What a pass.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
omg
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oof - sermon hurt his hand & fumbled. He was squeezing it out so hopefully he’s ok.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Kyle never shows anything in preseason.
that looked like a play that Lance bought time with his legs & made a great pass.
I didn’t think that was the initial design of that play but I could be wrong. Hell of a pass tho. Just watched it again. Looked like it was supposed to go to Aiyuk.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
small sample size, but Lance should start.
facook
Footballguy
Not worth arguing over, but wasn't that the same play (or at least type of play) we saw highlighted in practice video recently where he threw against the grain for a bomb td?
Hope you're right. I do agree, based on 30 minutes of football, Trey's already better than Jimmy G.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Sermon’s back. But he still looks a little off.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It’s all speculation. But if they’re showing it in practice might as well use it in preseason.
but let just talk about how good Lance looks. He just made an amazing pass & James dropped it.
facook
Footballguy
It’s all speculation. But if they’re showing it in practice might as well use it in preseason.
but let just talk about how good Lance looks. He just made an amazing pass & James dropped it.
Agreed. Jimmy looked super tentative and check-downish to me. Trey's going for it. And hasn't even run yet....
Teezee
Footballguy
I have no idea why he’s still with the team but unless he has incriminating stuff on KS, he will be cut shortlyIt’s all speculation. But if they’re showing it in practice might as well use it in preseason.
but let just talk about how good Lance looks. He just made an amazing pass & James dropped it.
