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drummer
Footballguy
The NFL is a media driven enterprise, FootballGuys would not even exist if it weren't for media.
drummer
Footballguy
drummer
Footballguy
I think for some reason you have a bone to pick with someone other than me. So happy to be your punching bag for the night. Lord knows I have needed someone else. It is how the world works.
drummer
Footballguy
Wingnut supplies the bone. It's the Yorks who supply the carcass.
Successful NFL franchises are not based on reaching the Super Bowl - case in point the Eagles who won a Super Bowl a few years ago and now are in total dumpster fire mode after firing the head coach who helped them win one - they are based on regular seasons wins. If you win 10 or more games in at least three consecutive seasons, that's average. Two more games above the median. The whiplash of a franchise that goes from 6 wins, to 13 wins, back to 7 wins, makes the 13 wins a statistical anomaly. If you want to blame it on variables such as injury sure, yet what is consistent is injury. The 49ers with Scot McGlouhan as head of personnel and GM were one of the least injured teams. Trent Baalke and since have been one of the most.
This is a systemic issue. Both Baalke and Lynch most likely use Paraag Marathe's model on personnel and financial balance. "Martheball" has never worked consistently, it's failed more than being a successful calculus. Their own stadium is bleeding money, and it was just built a few years ago. This is a franchise in a downward spiral, because the host city wants new management.
The NFL is a business, nothing more. If it didn't bake Socialism in it's business model and were a true free market enterprise, then the Yorks would have to sell the 49ers.
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drummer
Footballguy
You live in Tampa, and hardly know the pulse of the team you supposedly represent here. All you're here for is to create a thread no one else will.
I provide links and know more 49er football than you will ever know, and I have done this like since I have been here. The reason why you don't like what I post is because I know things you don't, mostly because you're too lazy to look it up, you haven't been able to drive any discussion since you have been starting these thread since whenever, and the real question is why are you here? I am not banned from here. I haven't posted here in this thread for a few years because why? All you would do is complain that I can. What I bring to this table is the meat and potatoes, all your 49er season thread are about what you watn as opposed to how it is. I haven't posted here in years even though I could, and the first thing your post is "who let drummer back in here?".
For the record, and even the mods here know this: I have only logged in here with the same alias on password that still works, and never pulled a skribbles/FarveCo here. I don't have a troll brigade where you complain to the mods that I have. You want to call it "fake news" fine, You're FloridaMan.
I know more than you do, I have more contacts than you do, and all I have done here to provide context and in a fun and readable fashion. I don't have to do this, but when I do, it's because your threads suck so bad that it has fantasycurse to come back since I haven't posted here.
If anything, keeping fatansycurse out of your threads means you owe me a favor.
drummer
Footballguy
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Wingnut
Footballguy
I've had that troll on ignore for years.
Funny how he never posted here during the 49ers SB run in 2019 because he can't stand it when the theyre playing well. I don't even know why he claims to be a fan of the team.
Let me guess, he's probably posted long winded diatribes talking about how terrible the team is while mentioning at least 2 of the following: Terry Donahue, Jim Harbaugh, Denise York, Scott McLaughlin, Kaep, and maybe even Debartolo/Policy because he's living in the past and knows nothing other than ancient history. He's probably also bragged about how he used to be some sort of writer of 49er articles and how he knows soooo much more about the team than everyone else on planet earth.
Am I close? I bet I am, cuz all he does is spew crap from decades ago that no one but him cares about.
But keep feeding him if it entertains you. I'll keep him on ignore and will spare myself from all the garbage he rambles on about like a lunatic.
drummer
Footballguy
It's been a season removed since, and that season is the only season since Harbaugh's last season where they had one that wasn't a losing season.
In fact. it was the season prior to when they went to the last SB is where in another thread in the FFA where you asked my why I wasn't posting in your season thread now that "they are good".
That's the season where Garoppololz went down in the third game to injury against the KC Chiefs, and you even gave up on your own season thread.
You're a fair weather fan who has never bought season tickets. You're not even Webzone rabid.
Edit: hell I doubt if you even watched a game at the Stick. I have many times, ate Oysters Rockefeller with Bob St. Clair in the alumni parking tailgate party and shook hands with Tom Landry before 49ers vs. Cowboys, the last season when the 49ers won the Super Bowl.
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drummer
Footballguy
What a way to show you're ignoring someone by showing everyone you're ignoring someone lulz.
and if I had the druthers I could recall the similar if not the same "ignore drummer" like fanatsycurse told everyone here like several years ago.
You lack evolvement man, you're like "don't harsh my buzz bro, I ran out of lemon slices for my IPA, and Bucs fans are all up in my ****, chest out at the beer cooler at Publix because of my Garoppolo jersey when they could have had Brady instead".
I bet you're rooting for the Rays instead of the Giants.
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drummer
Footballguy
Now that we've established who ignores who since I haven't been in these threads for several seasons, let's look at another site I have ignored - which I used to write for - for even more seasons:
https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/10/10/22719654/49ers-cardinals-trey-lance-deebo-samuel-nick-bosa-demeco-ryans-penalties
https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/10/10/22719654/49ers-cardinals-trey-lance-deebo-samuel-nick-bosa-demeco-ryans-penalties
drummer
Footballguy
The fact that we have the same record as the Chiefs is pretty damn hilarious.
They also have the same record as the Eagles, Washington, Falcons, and Vikings.
But one game less than the Raiders.
The Raiders. Who have a better stadium in a better city.
The more interesting stats to compare each is on third and fourth down conversions, if you looked them up.
I'd post those stats, but you would just ignore them. Because it would harsh your chi.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Some tidbits form yesterday.
We outgained the Cardinals in total yards (338 to 304)
We held the very mobile and usive Kyler Murray to 1 yard on 7 carries.
Total yards per play: 49ers (5.7), Cards (5.1)
We were terrible on 3rd and 4th down (3-11 on 3rd down, 1-5 on 4th down). Not good.
A few comparisons:
Number of passes completed 20+ yards downfield this season:
Jimmy Garoppolo 2, Trey Lance 3
Lance's average depth of target was 10 yards. Jimmy's is 6.9 this season.
The 49ers’ offense in Weeks 2, 3, and the first half of Week 4 with Garoppolo: 4.84 yards per play.
The last six quarters with Lance: 6.12 yards per play.
The Rams are 1st in the league with 6.7 yds/play (Jimmy's 4.84 falls between the Colts 5.0 and Jets 4.6, which rank 29th and 30th in the league)
Lastly, Rookie QB's overall grades for Week 5:
Mac Jones- 72.1
Trey Lance- 66.3
Zach Wilson- 53.9
Justin Fields- 51.3
So Lance looked like a rookie without a ton of college experience, but they knew what he was when they drafted him, and they know he needs development. If Kittle had played we would have seen a much different game due to what Kittle brings in both the passing and run game IMO...but this loss was definitely on play calling and the offense. The defense did their job and Ryans called a great game.
I think we should just start Lance going forward and call bootlegs rollouts, screens, quick slants, etc, and let him learn while putting him in situations where he can use his skill set and gain confidence. The NFC is loaded again this year with the Bucs, Rams, Cards, Cowboys and Packers all looking like contenders, so it makes sense to let the rookie play and see what happens, and he can hit the ground running next year with a bunch of experience under his belt.
But Shanahan is dead set on starting Jimmy...I think it's because he thinks we will get something for him after this season, but seriously, who's gonna give up much draft capital for a guy who's made of glass? We'd be lucky to get a 4th or 5th rounder for him.
Here's hoping Jimmy's calf keeps him out at least another week so we can see how Lance bounces back at home vs the Colts.
We outgained the Cardinals in total yards (338 to 304)
We held the very mobile and usive Kyler Murray to 1 yard on 7 carries.
Total yards per play: 49ers (5.7), Cards (5.1)
We were terrible on 3rd and 4th down (3-11 on 3rd down, 1-5 on 4th down). Not good.
A few comparisons:
Number of passes completed 20+ yards downfield this season:
Jimmy Garoppolo 2, Trey Lance 3
Lance's average depth of target was 10 yards. Jimmy's is 6.9 this season.
The 49ers’ offense in Weeks 2, 3, and the first half of Week 4 with Garoppolo: 4.84 yards per play.
The last six quarters with Lance: 6.12 yards per play.
The Rams are 1st in the league with 6.7 yds/play (Jimmy's 4.84 falls between the Colts 5.0 and Jets 4.6, which rank 29th and 30th in the league)
Lastly, Rookie QB's overall grades for Week 5:
Mac Jones- 72.1
Trey Lance- 66.3
Zach Wilson- 53.9
Justin Fields- 51.3
So Lance looked like a rookie without a ton of college experience, but they knew what he was when they drafted him, and they know he needs development. If Kittle had played we would have seen a much different game due to what Kittle brings in both the passing and run game IMO...but this loss was definitely on play calling and the offense. The defense did their job and Ryans called a great game.
I think we should just start Lance going forward and call bootlegs rollouts, screens, quick slants, etc, and let him learn while putting him in situations where he can use his skill set and gain confidence. The NFC is loaded again this year with the Bucs, Rams, Cards, Cowboys and Packers all looking like contenders, so it makes sense to let the rookie play and see what happens, and he can hit the ground running next year with a bunch of experience under his belt.
But Shanahan is dead set on starting Jimmy...I think it's because he thinks we will get something for him after this season, but seriously, who's gonna give up much draft capital for a guy who's made of glass? We'd be lucky to get a 4th or 5th rounder for him.
Here's hoping Jimmy's calf keeps him out at least another week so we can see how Lance bounces back at home vs the Colts.
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Is it possible that Kyle isn’t really a very good coach? Just asking.
chinawildman
Footballguy
Shanny did exactly what he said he was going to do... let Lance run plays that he's comfortable with which is why you saw a bunch of QB Power up the middle. What Lance did NOT do in college (ironically) is a lot of zone read out of shotgun/pistol (I think in training camp they were having issues just executing the exchange), so that stuff is just as foreign to him as the NFL passing game.
The one feeling I always come away w/ after watching Lance is that he just looks uncomfortable... and that only goes away with more playing time. One interesting stat is that Lance actually got a higher PFF grade this game than Garp did in 3 out of his 4 starts.
Wouldn't be surprised if the niners are "taking it easy w/ Garp's injury" come week 7.
The one feeling I always come away w/ after watching Lance is that he just looks uncomfortable... and that only goes away with more playing time. One interesting stat is that Lance actually got a higher PFF grade this game than Garp did in 3 out of his 4 starts.
Wouldn't be surprised if the niners are "taking it easy w/ Garp's injury" come week 7.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Lance has a sprained knee. Not serious per reports. Out 2 weeks "at worst"
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/49ers-qb-trey-lance-has-knee-sprain-could-miss-1-2-weeks-worst?amp&__twitter_impression=true
https://twitter.com/LombardiHimself/status/1447692106147848196?t=jqx3M5Tlmvw1j7qydwWMHw&s=19
Trey Lance had an MRI on his knee today. The news was good; it's not a long-term injury
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/49ers-qb-trey-lance-has-knee-sprain-could-miss-1-2-weeks-worst?amp&__twitter_impression=true
https://twitter.com/LombardiHimself/status/1447692106147848196?t=jqx3M5Tlmvw1j7qydwWMHw&s=19
Trey Lance had an MRI on his knee today. The news was good; it's not a long-term injury
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
tombonneau
Footballguy
No kidding. After a few more losses though I think they'll be playing for 2022 and Lance will get the nod. Just in time for fantasy playoffs.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Do the 49ers have an identity crisis on offense? Joe Staley thinks so...and he’s not alone
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/151366-49ers-have-identity-crisis-offense-staley-thinks-alone/
"What's been shocking to me is that, one of the things, too, has been that stretch zone, but all the play-action roll-outs, that was one of our identities, the keep game. And it hasn't been there at all. And it's almost like they're trying to find and involve that new identity," said Staley.
"When we, in 2019, had that great offensive year, obviously it was predicated on our run game and everything that came off of that, but it was also the play design and getting out of the pocket, and stretching and how the plays built on each other."
In 2019, the 49ers offense was really good. It wasn't "Walsh-Camelot days" good, but it was good. It was a creative offense with misdirection and an innovative rushing attack that was laser-focused in finding a defense's weaknesses, and then exposing them. It was an offense that media members lauded, opposing coaches dreaded, and other teams copied. There were multiple formations, and out of those formations came a number of plays that all looked alike until the ball was snapped. It was one of the things that made that offense hard to defend.
Then there were the jet sweeps, the misdirection, the motion, and the stretch run plays that featured running backs as fast as NFL receivers and defensive backs. Defenses were kept guessing...and struggled to keep up.
But some of the luster, some of the shine, some of the creative genius that made Kyle Shanahan the talk of the league, seems to be lost right now in a haze of questions, beginning with "who are the San Francisco 49ers...offensively?" Where is that creative 2019 offense? Was it just smoke and mirrors? Has the league caught up to the Shanahan offense? Do the 49ers have an identity crisis on offense?
Staley is not alone in his assessment. Matt Maiocco, of NBC Sports Bay Area, went on KNBR this week to talk about the 49ers. He also wrote about this topic, asking if the 49ers have an identity crisis on offense.
Maiocco wrote, "Coach Kyle Shanahan, widely considered one of the best offensive minds in football, has been unable to figure out the current iteration of the 49ers. Through five games, the 49ers' offense is lacking an identity — other than knowing wide receiver Deebo Samuel is the team's only playmaker."
Maiocco added to that, "The 49ers do not have a reliable component of their offense that they can count on in difficult situations. And that lack of self-awareness accounts for the biggest reason the 49ers repeatedly come up short in crucial situations."
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/151366-49ers-have-identity-crisis-offense-staley-thinks-alone/
"What's been shocking to me is that, one of the things, too, has been that stretch zone, but all the play-action roll-outs, that was one of our identities, the keep game. And it hasn't been there at all. And it's almost like they're trying to find and involve that new identity," said Staley.
"When we, in 2019, had that great offensive year, obviously it was predicated on our run game and everything that came off of that, but it was also the play design and getting out of the pocket, and stretching and how the plays built on each other."
In 2019, the 49ers offense was really good. It wasn't "Walsh-Camelot days" good, but it was good. It was a creative offense with misdirection and an innovative rushing attack that was laser-focused in finding a defense's weaknesses, and then exposing them. It was an offense that media members lauded, opposing coaches dreaded, and other teams copied. There were multiple formations, and out of those formations came a number of plays that all looked alike until the ball was snapped. It was one of the things that made that offense hard to defend.
Then there were the jet sweeps, the misdirection, the motion, and the stretch run plays that featured running backs as fast as NFL receivers and defensive backs. Defenses were kept guessing...and struggled to keep up.
But some of the luster, some of the shine, some of the creative genius that made Kyle Shanahan the talk of the league, seems to be lost right now in a haze of questions, beginning with "who are the San Francisco 49ers...offensively?" Where is that creative 2019 offense? Was it just smoke and mirrors? Has the league caught up to the Shanahan offense? Do the 49ers have an identity crisis on offense?
Staley is not alone in his assessment. Matt Maiocco, of NBC Sports Bay Area, went on KNBR this week to talk about the 49ers. He also wrote about this topic, asking if the 49ers have an identity crisis on offense.
Maiocco wrote, "Coach Kyle Shanahan, widely considered one of the best offensive minds in football, has been unable to figure out the current iteration of the 49ers. Through five games, the 49ers' offense is lacking an identity — other than knowing wide receiver Deebo Samuel is the team's only playmaker."
Maiocco added to that, "The 49ers do not have a reliable component of their offense that they can count on in difficult situations. And that lack of self-awareness accounts for the biggest reason the 49ers repeatedly come up short in crucial situations."
Wingnut
Footballguy
We all know York has given Shanahan a long leash, and I don't see him making a coaching change any time soon.
That said, how long is that leash, and at what point do diminishing returns force a move?
I think York gives Shanny at least one more year to see how things work out with Lance, but if Lance doesn't turn into Josh Allen by mid-season next year, does York shake things up?
Time will tell, but it's gonna be interesting for sure.
That said, how long is that leash, and at what point do diminishing returns force a move?
I think York gives Shanny at least one more year to see how things work out with Lance, but if Lance doesn't turn into Josh Allen by mid-season next year, does York shake things up?
Time will tell, but it's gonna be interesting for sure.
Riffraff
Footballguy
Wingnut
Footballguy
Scooby1974
Footballguy
This transitional year has been made extra complicated by injuries to Mostert and JG primarily. SF lacks that quickness/experience in Mostert that allowed Kyle to open up the running game in order to open the passing game to cover JG's deficiencies. Instead, SF needs JG to be someone he isn't. There isn't much time left here to rescue this season with regards to winning big, so Shanny really needs to read the tea leaves quick and right the ship or the season will be "lost" from a win/loss perspective.
However I don't think that it has to be lost with regards to Trey Lance. If SF falls out of contention, that could very well be the best thing for Lance as it would take SOME pressure to win off him. He could get reps in, other rooks get some run, Kyle could adjust, JG heads to another team and the niners have 24 mil next year to sign some help.
However I don't think that it has to be lost with regards to Trey Lance. If SF falls out of contention, that could very well be the best thing for Lance as it would take SOME pressure to win off him. He could get reps in, other rooks get some run, Kyle could adjust, JG heads to another team and the niners have 24 mil next year to sign some help.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
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HW_53
Footballguy
I don't doubt that both QB injuries are real, however, the timing feels a bit odd too.. JG has a 'calf' injury that is a 4 week out, then is miraculously reduced to 'week to week' after Lance stumbles.. Lance's knee injury then conveniently opens the door for JG to return following the bye. Both QB egos remain intact. Nothing to see here. 
Wingnut
Footballguy
I don't doubt that both QB injuries are real, however, the timing feels a bit odd too.. JG has a 'calf' injury that is a 4 week out, then is miraculously reduced to 'week to week' after Lance stumbles.. Lance's knee injury then conveniently opens the door for JG to return following the bye. Both QB egos remain intact. Nothing to see here.
Jimmys injury wasn't a 4 week out, they didn't even officially name Lance the starter til Friday when Jimmy didn't practice. At first they thought maybe 4 weeks but it turned out to be a contusion rather than a strain, so they were hopeful he might be able to start against Arizona.
Kyle has said all along that Lance couldn't win the starting job no matter how he plays vs the Cardinals, so the plan all along has been for Jimmy to come back vs the Colts.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Maybe for his next game action, we can run a double reverse and use him as a lead blocker.
I think move #1 would be to take away his personnel power and replace Lynch with someone who’s not a figurehead.
I like this idea
We are backed into corner now because we have a ton of holes and we don't have the picks to make up for it. If we end up 4th in this division (which is probably the case), there is a possibility we gave up some very high picks for Lance. This kid needs to be allen.
The dline is talented but in my opinion downgrades as move back through it. The lbs are alright and the cbs are borderline pedestrian...
That being said in the right game they can hold their own so they are probably worth owning -
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
This secondary is the worst in the NFL.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Absolutely pathetic display of football. Undisciplined, bad play calling, and bad execution. Fire Shanny, fire Lynch, complete rebuild.
Let Trey get experience under his belt this year, and let’s not get him killed in the process.
Let Trey get experience under his belt this year, and let’s not get him killed in the process.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Hate to agree, but Shanahan had done nothing outside of one good season. He's one of those "Good OC, bad HC" types. Unfortunately, I don't see York making any kind of coaching change any time soon.
There's really no point is starting Jimmy going forward but Shahahan seems to think we will a kings ransom for him in the offseason and wants him to play as much as humanly possible.
I hope we spend for some CBs when we get rid of Jimmy's salary. Our secondary is a joke.
There's really no point is starting Jimmy going forward but Shahahan seems to think we will a kings ransom for him in the offseason and wants him to play as much as humanly possible.
I hope we spend for some CBs when we get rid of Jimmy's salary. Our secondary is a joke.
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
jm192 said:
It's amazing to me we can't get a passing game going when we averaged 38 yards a carry on the opening drive.
Shanny is not a good coach, period. Jimmy is average at best at QB. To Wingnut's point, I doubt they even get a 4th rounder for Jimmy G. Just sit him down and send him packing for a bag of peanuts during the offseason.
Secondary leads the NFL in PI and Norman is just a target out there. Beyond the terrible coverage, he also gets killed on PA every time. He shouldn't be on the field. QB finds Norman presnap every play, he knows where he is going. If not Norman, Williams is an equally bad coverage guy out there. This secondary is so bad.
There will be a big improvement when Greenlaw comes back, but that doesn't fix the coverage issues at all.
If I see them using Lance as a RB when he comes back, I'm going to flip. Let him develop as a passer, let him make mistakes, and most importantly, keep him from taking punishment.
Just such a disaster right now.
