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[wgoldsph]

This guy. 

Imagine leading your team to the superbowl and then a few years later while leading your team to the playoffs the fans of your team don't even think they can get a day 2 pick for you while you're putting everything you got out there.

A team like the Jags he'd be a hero the fans would make statues of.

 

[Wingnut]

Imagine leading your team to the superbowl and then a few years later while leading your team to the playoffs the fans of your team don't even think they can get a day 2 pick for you while you're putting everything you got out there.

A team like the Jags he'd be a hero the fans would make statues of.

He's trying to play hurt. When he's less than 100%, he's just not a good QB. At all. It's been proven over and over again. If he's healthy,  I have ZERO problem with him being the starter, but that's not the case right now. 

 

[Blick]

Imagine leading your team to the Super Bowl and then a few years later while leading your team to the playoffs the fans of your team don't even think they can get a day 2 pick for you while you're putting everything you got out there.

A team like the Jags he'd be a hero the fans would make statues of.

Imagine leading your team to the Super Bowl and then a few years later your team trades up to get your replacement giving your fans the impression that you don’t have what it takes to get the job done. 

 

[fantasycurse42]

A guy who sucks when healthy with an injured throwing hand, or an unknown who they mortgaged the future for…

Is it me or does this one seem obvious? Why is Shanahan doing this? Wtf is his problem?

Even more bothersome is the set up. A game against a bad team, get Trey’s confidence rolling, and start getting ready for the playoffs.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Imagine a front 4 with Bosa, Buckner, Armstead, and the number 3 draft pick… Mixed with a very solid LB core. Imagine that front 4 put pressure on the QB basically every play without the need to blitz.

All the guy had to do was be a solid game manager and lead an occasional good drive. He failed, beyond that, he’s proven over and over again he is no more than average at best. Our defense isn’t what it is when we went to the SB. We’re gonna need more at QB and we know he doesn’t have it. If you’re going to make the insane move they made, the product needs to be on the field, period!

 

[wgoldsph]

Imagine leading your team to the Super Bowl and then a few years later your team trades up to get your replacement giving your fans the impression that you don’t have what it takes to get the job done. 

The difference between good and great at qb in football is colossal, and imo worth the gamble.  And the difference between good and bad is devastating.   My point is that as you see time and time again on this thread is that people don't seem to understand the difference between Jimmy and an actual bad QB, and if a truly bad QB like Sam Darnold is worth a second then Jimmy is worth at the very least a first plus.

A guy who sucks when healthy

This is what I mean.   Watch the QB of either NY football team play a semi-competitive defense from the past three years and tell me Jimmy sucks again.

 

[Blick]

The difference between good and great at qb in football is colossal, and imo worth the gamble.  And the difference between good and bad is devastating.   My point is that as you see time and time again on this thread is that people don't seem to understand the difference between Jimmy and an actual bad QB, and if a truly bad QB like Sam Darnold is worth a second then Jimmy is worth at the very least a first plus.

This is what I mean.   Watch the QB of either NY football team play a semi-competitive defense from the past three years and tell me Jimmy sucks again.

I don’t think anyone is paying a first for Jimmy. Maybe I’m wrong.  Darnold had “upside”. We know what Jimmy is. 

 

[TwinTurbo]

The difference between good and great at qb in football is colossal, and imo worth the gamble.  And the difference between good and bad is devastating.   My point is that as you see time and time again on this thread is that people don't seem to understand the difference between Jimmy and an actual bad QB, and if a truly bad QB like Sam Darnold is worth a second then Jimmy is worth at the very least a first plus.

This is what I mean.   Watch the QB of either NY football team play a semi-competitive defense from the past three years and tell me Jimmy sucks again.

My take is the worst possible QB that you can have is not the "bad" QB but rather the QB that is just good enough to start but never win any big games. Because teams end up stuck with that "good" QB for too many seasons.  One example would be Dalton. I think many people would consider Dalton to have been a "good" QB with the Bengals at least for a few seasons. But he never won any big games and prevented them from moving on quickly to a better QB for 9 seasons. I think a QB like Dalton is the most devastating that you can draft. Cousins (the guy SF wanted over Jimmy G) is another example, although he at least has 1 playoff win. 

But I can't really put Jimmy G in this category. He's been part of a playoff run that ended in a Superbowl appearance. Yes he wasn't the reason they made it that far. But he's won some big games and their front office still went out and still drafted Trey Lance. So unlike the Bengals, they hedged their bets long term. Jared Goff would be a similar comp. 

 

[fantasycurse42]

My take is the worst possible QB that you can have is not the "bad" QB but rather the QB that is just good enough to start but never win any big games. Because teams end up stuck with that "good" QB for too many seasons.  One example would be Dalton. I think many people would consider Dalton to have been a "good" QB with the Bengals at least for a few seasons. But he never won any big games and prevented them from moving on quickly to a better QB for 9 seasons. I think a QB like Dalton is the most devastating that you can draft. 

Excellent take and Dalton was the first guy that came to my mind when reading the first sentence. To me Jimmy is almost a slight Dalton downgrade.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Is everyone as excited as I am? I’m plenty

And Shanny is such an #######. Why not build the kids confidence? We know he’s the guy next year, stop ####### around with this nonsense! Does Jimmy have incriminating evidence on him?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32970112/san-francisco-49ers-jimmy-garoppolo-doubtful-team-holding-hope-plays-sunday

 

The Niners are officially listing him as doubtful for Sunday, though coach Kyle Shanahan is not ready yet to name Trey Lance the starter. Lance took all the reps with the starting offense in practice.

"I'm not ready to announce that," Shanahan said. "Jimmy is not out, so I'm holding out hope. He's got a chance this week, so he'll have a better chance next week."

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Holding out hope for what? Him to not suck and show he’s actually the future of this franchise, not the guy you traded a few years for?

 

[Wingnut]

I think Trey and the team knew he was starting since about Wednesday, but there's zero reason to let the public know until they have to. "Lance took all the reps with the starting offense in practice" is all I needed to hear to know Lance would start.

As for Jimmy, here's the latest  from Schefter:

49ers QB Jimmy Garoppolo’s thumb injury is serious enough that he’s expected to undergo surgery following the season, sources say. The hope is that he plays again this season, but it’s no sure thing.

My story: https://t.co/nobFUKM0Uo

Let the Lance ers begin. Good or bad, it starts today.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I’m so

This could be peak excitement for me. In position to make the playoffs and an unknown who was the measurements and tools to be a stud at QB.

The defensive front 7 as a whole is as good as any in the NFL. Deebo and Kittle are at the top of their game.

If I was the coach, I’d be getting the rookie DBs max reps today against Davis Mills. Norman has shown all season his career is over. While I’ve seen some bad out of the rookie CBs (which should be expected), I’ve also seen some plays that do lead to some hope. 

 

[fantasycurse42]

Also, this is a confidence game for Trey. Let’s let him build it if they’re serious about making any playoff run. If he has a similar stat line to his previous start (16 rushes, 89 yards), I’m gonna fly a banner over the stadium calling for Shanny to be fired. He’s a QB, treat him like one.

 

[Wingnut]

Mitchell is playing today, hopefully he's healthy enough to help take the pressure off Lance. If our running game gets going, Lance shouldn't have to do much more than manage the game and protect the football. I'm sure we will see a few long bombs thrown in as well.

Let's goooooo!!!

 

[BladeRunner]

I hate to be the voice of reason here, but I don't think Trey Lance is the answer, IMO.

Whenever I see QBs who come into the league who's rushing stats are better than there passing stats THAT, to me, indicates they won't be very good.  The running QB has a negative history in the NFL for a reason - once NFL defenses figure them out they're as good as toast.  Or, when they can't run anymore because of injury (because they're always running).

And the running QB depresses the value of every RB, WR and TE on the team because he consistently will call his own number most of the time.  Whether it's because they can't read defenses, can't pass or both - doesn't matter.  He'll always run as his #1 skill.

IMO, Teams need to focus on drafting QBs who can pass first, run second.  TBH, I'm still surprised teams can't figure this out.  All of the Great QBs in the NFL used running to supplement their game, not as the #1 component of their game.  Manning, Favre, Montana, Williams, Bradshaw, Luck, Rodgers, etc... 

When you see a QB constantly running, that almost 100% of the time means they are doing it to cover up their massive passing deficiencies.  Justin Fields in CHI is also another one of these guys.

Thoughts?  Am I wrong?

 

[fantasycurse42]

I hate to be the voice of reason here, but I don't think Trey Lance is the answer, IMO.

Whenever I see QBs who come into the league who's rushing stats are better than there passing stats THAT, to me, indicates they won't be very good.  The running QB has a negative history in the NFL for a reason - once NFL defenses figure them out they're as good as toast.  Or, when they can't run anymore because of injury (because they're always running).

And the running QB depresses the value of every RB, WR and TE on the team because he consistently will call his own number most of the time.  Whether it's because they can't read defenses, can't pass or both - doesn't matter.  He'll always run as his #1 skill.

IMO, Teams need to focus on drafting QBs who can pass first, run second.  TBH, I'm still surprised teams can't figure this out.  All of the Great QBs in the NFL used running to supplement their game, not as the #1 component of their game.  Manning, Favre, Montana, Williams, Bradshaw, Luck, Rodgers, etc... 

When you see a QB constantly running, that almost 100% of the time means they are doing it to cover up their massive passing deficiencies.  Justin Fields in CHI is also another one of these guys.

Thoughts?  Am I wrong?

I stopped at the first sentence, no negativity needed about Trey.

This is why I’m a fan. We got a rookie QB with the tools; cannon arm, big, strong, fast. Hopefully he has a good head on his shoulders, and we got a stud. That’s what I want! The beginning of the Trey Lance era!! Hopefully he’s a beast!

 

[fantasycurse42]

Also, could be the shot in the arm they need! Complete unknown, I’m excited! 
 

Just took them +3100 to win the Super Bowl.

 

[Wingnut]

Lance looked much better in the 2nd half.

Almost 300 total yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT, and a 116.0 rating. 

 

[Wingnut]

Aren't we like 0-4 or oh-and-something this season when Jimmy throws a pick?

Lance threw one and we still managed to win.

Hmmmmm.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Lance looked much better in the 2nd half.

Almost 300 total yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT, and a 116.0 rating. 

I mean, he threw 6 passes through the first 28 minutes of the game. I have a few opinions, some too long to type out on phone. The training wheels were removed a touch in the 2nd half and the kid played good. Nice to have a guy that looks downfield too.

He needs to work on the shorter throws. One to Kyle in the flat, another to Deebo in the flat were both misses. Some mistakes as expected. He’s lucky that pass with 7 seconds in the half wasn’t intercepted to Aiyuk.

Overall, I’m pleased with what I saw. I still think Shanahan needs to spread them out a little more, he’s not Jimmy G. The PA is def something we need a lot of with him too.

 

[Wingnut]

Here's the 49ers' playoff situation. 

SF is 9-7
PHI is 9-7
NO is 8-8

-Only 2 of these teams can make the playoffs

-If all 3 finish 9-8, *the 49ers will be out*

-SF is win and in

-If SF loses, they must hope NO also loses

 

[Deamon]

Here's the 49ers' playoff situation. 

SF is 9-7
PHI is 9-7
NO is 8-8

-Only 2 of these teams can make the playoffs

-If all 3 finish 9-8, *the 49ers will be out*

-SF is win and in

-If SF loses, they must hope NO also loses

Gonna be tough to beat a Rams team fighting for the 2 seed.  Rams open as 5.5 point faves, and Saints are 4.5 point faves at atlanta.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Here's the 49ers' playoff situation. 

SF is 9-7
PHI is 9-7
NO is 8-8

-Only 2 of these teams can make the playoffs

-If all 3 finish 9-8, *the 49ers will be out*

-SF is win and in

-If SF loses, they must hope NO also loses

We beat Philly head to head, it doesn’t make a ton of sense to me that they get the spot over us.

 

[Wingnut]

Gonna be tough to beat a Rams team fighting for the 2 seed.  Rams open as 5.5 point faves, and Saints are 4.5 point faves at atlanta.

Yep, we've beaten them 5 straight, streaks gotta end at some point.

 

[Wingnut]

We beat Philly head to head, it doesn’t make a ton of sense to me that they get the spot over us.

Yeah that might not be right. This should have all the correct scenarios:

https://www-mercurynews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.mercurynews.com/2022/01/02/nfc-playoff-picture-how-the-49ers-can-clinch-even-with-a-loss-to-rams/amp/?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16412181521679&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mercurynews.com%2F2022%2F01%2F02%2Fnfc-playoff-picture-how-the-49ers-can-clinch-even-with-a-loss-to-rams

If the 49ers beat the Rams in Los Angeles next week, they’ll make the playoffs. That much is clear after they beat the Texans 23-7 on Sunday afternoon.

But if they lose? Well, things get pretty complicated from there.

A win by the Saints over the Falcons would place them ahead of the 49ers in the playoff pecking order, but the Niners could still find their way into the tournament another way even in that scenario.

The trick for the 49ers is avoiding a three-way tie. If they finish tied with the Eagles or Vikings in a two-way tie, they will finish ahead by virtue of beating those teams in head-to-head games earlier this year.

The only three-way tie the 49ers can win is against the Eagles and Vikings, and the only way that can come about is if: 49ers lose to Rams, Vikings beat Packers (tonight) and Bears, and Eagles lose to Cowboys.

Such a scenario, paired with a Saints win, would make a four-way tie. New Orleans would be the No. 6 seed out of a four-way tie by conference record. Then, a second tiebreaking procedure would commence between the Vikings, Eagles and 49ers. Because the 49ers beat both of the other teams in the tiebreaker, they would take the final playoff spot.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Our entire secondary is on the Covid list today. Except Norman

Jimmy practicing (limited)

 

[Wingnut]

Moseley off IR and may be able to play Sunday, and Lynch told KNBR that  he believes they will have all their DBs back for Sundays game.

 

[fantasycurse42]

https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/.amp/news/49ers-believe-jimmy-garoppolo-has-good-chance-start-against-rams
 

I agree with everything in this article except that Shanny’s job is even at the slightest risk, which therefore means no reason not to bring out Trey.

It’s not that I think Trey can do it (although I hope he can), it’s that even if we win today, I know our ceiling with Jimmy. Reading reports of an injured Jimmy playing today just brought my excitement down throughout the week.

 

[zamboni]

While Lance obviously has the bigger offensive ceiling, if I'm a Niners fan, I'd much have the steadier Jimmy G behind center (assuming he can go) in a playoff-determining game. Don't think Lance is ready for that kind of stage yet.

 

[Doug B]

Reading reports of an injured Jimmy playing today just brought my excitement down throughout the week.

Saints fans are paying close attention to this game. News over here is that Jimmy G's throwing-hand thumb injury is basically the same one that sidelined Drew Brees for five weeks in 2019. Garoppolo is trying to return after two weeks -- do I have that right?

 

[fantasycurse42]

While Lance obviously has the bigger offensive ceiling, if I'm a Niners fan, I'd much have the steadier Jimmy G behind center (assuming he can go) in a playoff-determining game. Don't think Lance is ready for that kind of stage yet.

Why? You know you can’t make a real run or do any real damage in the playoffs with Jimmy G. Regular Jimmy G is mediocre, injured Jimmy G is like Blaine Gabbert.

I’m happier having the unknown in this scenario.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Saints fans are paying close attention to this game. News over here is that Jimmy G's throwing-hand thumb injury is basically the same one that sidelined Drew Brees for five weeks in 2019. Garoppolo is trying to return after two weeks -- do I have that right?

That’s mostly correct, but I’d assume Drew’s was worse. 

 

[fantasycurse42]

Maybe they can fire Shanahan at halftime?

 

[Wingnut]

Maybe they can fire Shanahan at halftime?

I know you hate Shanahan, but you know he's got at least one full season with Lance as starter before they'd even consider making a coaching change.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I know you hate Shanahan, but you know he's got at least one full season with Lance as starter before they'd even consider making a coaching change.

I know, just wishful thinking.

It’s not even worth watching the Atl/NO game. We knew what Jimmy was coming in, we know what he is going out.

This why I wanted the unknown. Maybe the team rallies around him, maybe he’s good. What I do know is he isn’t JG.

 

[zamboni]

While Lance obviously has the bigger offensive ceiling, if I'm a Niners fan, I'd much have the steadier Jimmy G behind center (assuming he can go) in a playoff-determining game. Don't think Lance is ready for that kind of stage yet.

Why? You know you can’t make a real run or do any real damage in the playoffs with Jimmy G. Regular Jimmy G is mediocre, injured Jimmy G is like Blaine Gabbert.

I’m happier having the unknown in this scenario.

I stand corrected.

Although as a Lance keeper league owner, I’m glad to be wrong

 

[fantasycurse42]

At least the Jimmy era is finally done. I’ve wanted to puke since they gave him that contract, it’s nice to be done with the guy.

I don’t even know if they’ll get a 5th or 6th rounder for him.

 

[fantasycurse42]

And in favor of firing Shanny, we’ve wasted one year of a cheap QB for development. Now he’ll be on year 2 of the contract for development, he’s the coach and he needs to own that. Fire the predictable idiot.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Great first half for Jimmy, excellent coaching decision. A fumble that killed one drive, an under throw to Hasty when the coverage didn’t bite the pump at all, an INT, a screen pass that should’ve been a pick 6, and 3 points.

I can’t be alone in my despise for the Shanny/JG combo? Like Jed York has eyes I assume, he can see what we see, right?

 

[rockaction]

Seriously the worst thread and the worst fans on the board, this team. 

It's 17-10 but you had already quit midway through the second quarter. What a joke. This team is too good for you guys. 

 

[Doug B]

Saints fans are paying close attention to this game. News over here is that Jimmy G's throwing-hand thumb injury is basically the same one that sidelined Drew Brees for five weeks in 2019. Garoppolo is trying to return after two weeks -- do I have that right?

That’s mostly correct, but I’d assume Drew’s was worse. 

Ya don't say?   Dang it. 

 

[Wingnut]

Don't question the methods used here.

 

[Doug B]

Seriously the worst thread and the worst fans on the board, this team. 

It's 17-10 but you had already quit midway through the second quarter. What a joke. This team is too good for you guys. 

The Saints fans on Saintsreport are the opposite -- they're talking like the Niners have the win in the bag. Right now.

 

[rockaction]

The Saints fans on Saintsreport are the opposite -- they're talking like the Niners have the win in the bag. Right now.

It's not a perfect analogy. The guys in this thread completely quit on their own team. 

I'll see myself out. The reverse jinx and histrionics are too much for me. 

*faints elegantly away*

 

[fantasycurse42]

Jimmy will blow it!

 

[Doug B]

The Saints fans on Saintsreport are the opposite -- they're talking like the Niners have the win in the bag. Right now.

Jebus ... can't watch Rams-SF right now. To hear the Saints folks tell it, SF is up 60-0 right now.

 

[fantasycurse42]

If we win this game, it will be in spite of Jimmy G. 

 

[fantasycurse42]

This is on Shanny as much as Jimmy. He stuck by Jimmy, he should die by Jimmy.

This was a dangerous team if it wasn’t for such piss poor terrible QB play. I’d like to bring someone new in to develop Trey, don’t let this idiot taint him. 

 

[Wingnut]

Jimmy clearly wasn't 100%, and what happens when he's not 100%? He throws INTs and loses. I can't say I'll miss him.

See you guys next season.

ETA: what the...

 

[fantasycurse42]

On the happy side of this, we’re done with Jimmy. Last time we’ll see this bum in a Niners jersey, so there’s that.