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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
To me, this team is almost nearing rebuild mode.
Trent should retire. His game is still top notch, but at his age, he should go worry about family issues. While I love the dude, he’s earned it and I don’t see them as a legit contenders anymore. If he wants to stick around for a check, that’s cool, but I’d be happy for the guy if he decided to worry about his personal life and hang it up.
For all the critique of the defense, they held Mahomes to 1 TD in regulation during the SB, that loss wasn’t bc of the defense imo.
Our skilled players are all aging. Can’t imagine CMC duplicating or even anything close to last year ever again. Kittle still a quality TE, but not the same guy he has been. Aiyuk off of season ending surgery, Deebo with a lot of tread worn down from the usage. I have no real read on the rookie tbh.
Even Bosa didn’t look like himself this season. He’s still a top 5ish DE, just a touch less dominant. Hopefully he returns to top form. No reason to even bring Dre back this season, but hopefully him and Fred can be a monster duo next season, they’ll absolutely need it. The secondary, honestly not awful this season, but nothing noteworthy.
Looking at everything in totality, I don’t see much to be excited about in the near future here.
I said it last season, it’s now or never. Now it looks like a sub 500 season, and I don’t see what makes them much better next season. Maybe 9-8 or 10-7 if things really went their way, but I struggle to see any legit SB shot next season.
B2B sub 500 seasons and no SBs in almost a decade and KS will finally be on the hot seat. As much as I hate him, I suspect he’d possibly get one more season if next year looks like this year. It would take a 4-6 win season next year for me to be confident about his departure.
Trent should retire. His game is still top notch, but at his age, he should go worry about family issues. While I love the dude, he’s earned it and I don’t see them as a legit contenders anymore. If he wants to stick around for a check, that’s cool, but I’d be happy for the guy if he decided to worry about his personal life and hang it up.
For all the critique of the defense, they held Mahomes to 1 TD in regulation during the SB, that loss wasn’t bc of the defense imo.
Our skilled players are all aging. Can’t imagine CMC duplicating or even anything close to last year ever again. Kittle still a quality TE, but not the same guy he has been. Aiyuk off of season ending surgery, Deebo with a lot of tread worn down from the usage. I have no real read on the rookie tbh.
Even Bosa didn’t look like himself this season. He’s still a top 5ish DE, just a touch less dominant. Hopefully he returns to top form. No reason to even bring Dre back this season, but hopefully him and Fred can be a monster duo next season, they’ll absolutely need it. The secondary, honestly not awful this season, but nothing noteworthy.
Looking at everything in totality, I don’t see much to be excited about in the near future here.
I said it last season, it’s now or never. Now it looks like a sub 500 season, and I don’t see what makes them much better next season. Maybe 9-8 or 10-7 if things really went their way, but I struggle to see any legit SB shot next season.
B2B sub 500 seasons and no SBs in almost a decade and KS will finally be on the hot seat. As much as I hate him, I suspect he’d possibly get one more season if next year looks like this year. It would take a 4-6 win season next year for me to be confident about his departure.
Wingnut
Footballguy
PFT's Mike Florio:
"I feel Like Shanahan and the 49ers are getting close to the point where they would benefit mutually from a fresh start," Florio said Tuesday morning on the Rich Eisen Show.
"It's been since 2017," Florio commented, referencing Shanahan's tenure with the 49ers. "They've kind of been annually banging their head against the door, trying to break it down. This year just feels kind of weird. It feels like it's coming to an end from the standpoint of the nucleus of players that they've had there. And you never know what's really going on behind the scenes."
It was 10 years ago or so when they had Jim Harbaugh going into what was the fourth year of his tenure there. The first three years had all been very successful. NFC Championship, Super Bowl (appearance), and NFC Championship. And we reported at the time, and it was accurate, and it was confirmed by the Browns in a roundabout way, that the 49ers were close to trading Jim Harbaugh to the Cleveland Browns.
"So, you never know, at the top of the organization, whether or not there's a sense that maybe it's time for a change."
Florio likened Shanahan's situation to that of Andy Reid, who revitalized his coaching career after leaving the Philadelphia Eagles and joining the Kansas City Chiefs.
"After the 49ers lost to the Chiefs (in last years Super Bowl), one of the first things I thought is, at some point, I feel like Kyle Shanahan needs an Andy Reid reset, where I've exhausted every opportunity with the team that I started my coaching career with," Florio noted. "It's time to go to a new place."
Florio emphasized that he has no concrete evidence of friction between Shanahan and the 49ers. He is simply speculating on the possibility.
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"I feel Like Shanahan and the 49ers are getting close to the point where they would benefit mutually from a fresh start," Florio said Tuesday morning on the Rich Eisen Show.
"It's been since 2017," Florio commented, referencing Shanahan's tenure with the 49ers. "They've kind of been annually banging their head against the door, trying to break it down. This year just feels kind of weird. It feels like it's coming to an end from the standpoint of the nucleus of players that they've had there. And you never know what's really going on behind the scenes."
It was 10 years ago or so when they had Jim Harbaugh going into what was the fourth year of his tenure there. The first three years had all been very successful. NFC Championship, Super Bowl (appearance), and NFC Championship. And we reported at the time, and it was accurate, and it was confirmed by the Browns in a roundabout way, that the 49ers were close to trading Jim Harbaugh to the Cleveland Browns.
"So, you never know, at the top of the organization, whether or not there's a sense that maybe it's time for a change."
Florio likened Shanahan's situation to that of Andy Reid, who revitalized his coaching career after leaving the Philadelphia Eagles and joining the Kansas City Chiefs.
"After the 49ers lost to the Chiefs (in last years Super Bowl), one of the first things I thought is, at some point, I feel like Kyle Shanahan needs an Andy Reid reset, where I've exhausted every opportunity with the team that I started my coaching career with," Florio noted. "It's time to go to a new place."
Florio emphasized that he has no concrete evidence of friction between Shanahan and the 49ers. He is simply speculating on the possibility.
Florio speculates on Kyle Shanahan's future with (or without) the 49ers
Speculation surrounding head coach Kyle Shanahan's future with the San Francisco 49ers has intensified during a disappointing 5-7 season. A year that began...
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efactor
Footballguy
No, all of it's personnel.Except their defenses were good overall. They've fallen off a cliff under Sorenson.Yep. Said the same things about Salah and Ryans. Wilks got blasted too.That’s been a shared weakness of every defensive coordinator they’ve had since at least Fangio and maybe further back than that.Brian Baldinger on 49ers DC Nick Sorensen's lack of creativity:
"You gotta have the horses to scheme some of this up, but if you have no horses you better figure out some scheme where you're getting a free hitter, and I don't see any of that. I see Arizona doing that over and over and they just out-scheme their opponents, but I don't see any of that at all. I don't see that type of creativity at all from Nick."
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Some if it is personnel, some is injuries, some is scheme. His job along with Staley is to figure it out.
But proceed with the narrative of how great Salah and Ryans were. Some of us can remember this crowd whining about them too.
efactor
Footballguy
LOL. Who cares what that clown thinks? It's called clickbaitPFT's Mike Florio:
"I feel Like Shanahan and the 49ers are getting close to the point where they would benefit mutually from a fresh start," Florio said Tuesday morning on the Rich Eisen Show.
"It's been since 2017," Florio commented, referencing Shanahan's tenure with the 49ers. "They've kind of been annually banging their head against the door, trying to break it down. This year just feels kind of weird. It feels like it's coming to an end from the standpoint of the nucleus of players that they've had there. And you never know what's really going on behind the scenes."
It was 10 years ago or so when they had Jim Harbaugh going into what was the fourth year of his tenure there. The first three years had all been very successful. NFC Championship, Super Bowl (appearance), and NFC Championship. And we reported at the time, and it was accurate, and it was confirmed by the Browns in a roundabout way, that the 49ers were close to trading Jim Harbaugh to the Cleveland Browns.
"So, you never know, at the top of the organization, whether or not there's a sense that maybe it's time for a change."
Florio likened Shanahan's situation to that of Andy Reid, who revitalized his coaching career after leaving the Philadelphia Eagles and joining the Kansas City Chiefs.
"After the 49ers lost to the Chiefs (in last years Super Bowl), one of the first things I thought is, at some point, I feel like Kyle Shanahan needs an Andy Reid reset, where I've exhausted every opportunity with the team that I started my coaching career with," Florio noted. "It's time to go to a new place."
Florio emphasized that he has no concrete evidence of friction between Shanahan and the 49ers. He is simply speculating on the possibility.
Florio speculates on Kyle Shanahan's future with (or without) the 49ers
Speculation surrounding head coach Kyle Shanahan's future with the San Francisco 49ers has intensified during a disappointing 5-7 season. A year that began...
Neil Beaufort Zod
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Am I missing something? They're two games back with five to play, and two division games on the schedule. I admit they aren't as strong without CMC, but they won't play any more games in the snow and Purdy is legit. The Lions almost lost to the Bears at home. Why can't the 49ers beat them in SF?
They aren't favorites for anything, but I don't get all the "time to fold the tent" talk. They happen to be in a division where every team looks beatable. If they win the division and face the Vikings at home, I'd feel pretty good about their chances. Maybe things change this weekend, but right now they have a decent shot at the division. Is this just pessimistic-fan talk?
They aren't favorites for anything, but I don't get all the "time to fold the tent" talk. They happen to be in a division where every team looks beatable. If they win the division and face the Vikings at home, I'd feel pretty good about their chances. Maybe things change this weekend, but right now they have a decent shot at the division. Is this just pessimistic-fan talk?
eagles 123
Footballguy
Niners downplaying Purdy injury as they did CMC. They are cooked.
They are beat up and exhausted right now. The Bears game will be telling; in addition to being a test for Purdy as I posted earlier, we'll see how much fight they have left in them. Purely based on the talent of the healthy players they have right now, they are a well below average team.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Man, there's been some useless posts in here, but this one takes the cake. Way to go.
efactor
Footballguy
I actually think it's pretty accurate.
Purdy isn't right. The conditions were bad against Buffalo, but he just looked "off", They are probably cooked anyway, but if Brock isn't 100 percent, then any doubt is removed.
efactor
Footballguy
Nothing as insightful as those "fire Shanahan" posts for sure. Those guys know their stuff
Wingnut
Footballguy
Oh, sorry, I forgot, your opinion is the only one that matters, and how dare anyone have an opposing view.Nothing as insightful as those "fire Shanahan" posts for sure. Those guys know their stuff
Maybe the internet isn't for you.
Terpman22
Footballguy
@Wingnut - I'm curious what you would like to see happen.
If I'm a Niners fan, no way I want to get rid of Shanahan. People have such short memories these days, its hilarious, but thinking anyone is going to get MORE out of Brock Purdy than KS, I don't know, welcome to watching football I guess. And this guy isn't even in his prime yet. So you keep Shanahan.
From there, you are going to have to make tough decisions with the highest paid players on the roster - Kittle, Deebo, CMC, Trent, Hargrave...etc. Gonna have to make some moves and look toward the future. The O can't continue to be built around CMC - super talented RB class upcoming. Do the Niners go and try to get the next guy to make their offense go?
Obviously all this is in mind Purdy is going to need a large contract. Will be interesting to see what the Niners do moving forward.
If I'm a Niners fan, no way I want to get rid of Shanahan. People have such short memories these days, its hilarious, but thinking anyone is going to get MORE out of Brock Purdy than KS, I don't know, welcome to watching football I guess. And this guy isn't even in his prime yet. So you keep Shanahan.
From there, you are going to have to make tough decisions with the highest paid players on the roster - Kittle, Deebo, CMC, Trent, Hargrave...etc. Gonna have to make some moves and look toward the future. The O can't continue to be built around CMC - super talented RB class upcoming. Do the Niners go and try to get the next guy to make their offense go?
Obviously all this is in mind Purdy is going to need a large contract. Will be interesting to see what the Niners do moving forward.
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Wingnut
Footballguy
I've never said they should fire him because I know they won't. Ive said I don't think he will win a SB with SF and I feel his time there has about run its course, and I've went from being a huge supporter to being sick of his BS. He can build a good roster but he's clueless how to bring home a Lombardi. Maybe he will at his next stop like Reid did.
What I'd like to see is Kyle get an OC and give up play calling duties, stop making rookies and young guys ride the bench when they could possibly contribute, stop running players like CMC into the ground when you have capable backups that can shoulder the load, spend more time with defense and special teams, build a damn OL to protect your QB, maybe think about switching up the defensive philosophy if you don't have the personnel to execute it, and get back to the creative play designer that he used to be.
I think he's already losing the locker room. Thier effort - or lack thereof - Sunday night told me all I need to know. This team isn't playing very hard for him anymore, and I can't blame them. He had probably the best team he will ever have last season and still couldn't get it done. I'd love for him to find his fastball again, but I'm not sure he has that much left in his tank with this team. It's a shame that this team is gonna end up ringless. A damn shame.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Yeah I was going to say haha this sounds exactly like Andy Reid circa 2012. I think him finding the OC and having the trust that someone else can call and run his offense will be the major hurdle to get him to where he needs to be. I also think to a degree, he might be lost without that responsibility bc he loves it so much. I'm not sure.
All I can really say is as a fan of the team who let Reid go, but also was on the same page as it "was time" - it might take a while to get that next good coach again. Both of our organizations are pretty decent at ID'ing good coaching candidates (although I do give us the edge b/c Chip Kelly haha) but its not always a hit.
efactor
Footballguy
Clueless
Wingnut
Footballguy
The 49ers today announced they have opened the practice window for S Talanoa Hufanga (Injured Reserve List).
Anticipated injury report for Wednesday:
DNP – G Aaron Banks (concussion), OT Trent Williams (ankle), RB Jordan Mason (ankle), DE Nick Bosa (oblique), LB Demetrius Flannigan-Fowles (knee)
Limited – CB Deommodore Lenoir (knee), LB Dre Greenlaw (Achilles), S Talanoa Hufanga (wrist)
Anticipated injury report for Wednesday:
DNP – G Aaron Banks (concussion), OT Trent Williams (ankle), RB Jordan Mason (ankle), DE Nick Bosa (oblique), LB Demetrius Flannigan-Fowles (knee)
Limited – CB Deommodore Lenoir (knee), LB Dre Greenlaw (Achilles), S Talanoa Hufanga (wrist)
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Efactor with his holier than thou bs, throws insults at anyone he disagrees with. Might actually be Kyle with such a staunch defense of him and disdain for anyone (including sports reporters) who talk even moderately poorly of him.
He’s lobbed about 2 dozen insults at me over the last couple of seasons, never really deserved a response nor do I think I ever have.
But personally, I enjoy Wingnut’s posts. He usually has some interesting off the beaten path (but meaningful) numbers in there. He posts something inconsequential about KS, and in comes running Kyle’s jockstrap.
I stated the window was closed at the end of last season. That’s shifting towards consensus now. I saw the collapse coming at the moment it happened. My bet of the week (and I rarely post wagers) was GB -19.5. I’d like to think I have the slightest bit of credibility when it comes to seeing the larger picture.
And the Reid comparison above is a good one imo. He could never cross the line until he had Mahomes. He’s a good coach (just like KS), but I think there are at least a dozen coaches who could do what he’s doing if they had Mahomes as their QB. He couldn’t do it with McNabb who was a solid QB, he needed the generational talent. KS is a good coach who obviously has his flaws. He had numerous chances to cross the line, couldn’t do it.
Lost in the shuffle, I stated earlier I think Jim Harbaugh wins a SB before KS, I stand by that.
He’s lobbed about 2 dozen insults at me over the last couple of seasons, never really deserved a response nor do I think I ever have.
But personally, I enjoy Wingnut’s posts. He usually has some interesting off the beaten path (but meaningful) numbers in there. He posts something inconsequential about KS, and in comes running Kyle’s jockstrap.
I stated the window was closed at the end of last season. That’s shifting towards consensus now. I saw the collapse coming at the moment it happened. My bet of the week (and I rarely post wagers) was GB -19.5. I’d like to think I have the slightest bit of credibility when it comes to seeing the larger picture.
And the Reid comparison above is a good one imo. He could never cross the line until he had Mahomes. He’s a good coach (just like KS), but I think there are at least a dozen coaches who could do what he’s doing if they had Mahomes as their QB. He couldn’t do it with McNabb who was a solid QB, he needed the generational talent. KS is a good coach who obviously has his flaws. He had numerous chances to cross the line, couldn’t do it.
Lost in the shuffle, I stated earlier I think Jim Harbaugh wins a SB before KS, I stand by that.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
49ers have one more season with this core. 2026 is going to be a rebuilding year for them.
Sometimes getting beat isn't a lack of effort, it's a lack of talent.
efactor
Footballguy
Spot on, but that doesn't fit the narrative of the "Fire Shanahan" crowd, so instead they state, without any evidence that virtually the entire team has quit.
While it was hard watching them get manhandled the last couple weeks, I saw no evidence of quitting. Buffalo is one of the top 2-3 teams in the league and Green Bay is very good. They got steamrolled on the road playing without key players. No mercy in the NFL.
Best thing at this point is to get everyone healthy for next year. Won't happen until they are mathematically eliminated, but I think shutting Kittle and Warner down would be prudent. Also, unless Greenlaw is absolutely 100 percent, keep him off the field. He is such a key part of their defense. Get him fully healthy before you let him even think of playing.
efactor
Footballguy
LOL. Well you're responding to this and have multiple times in the past, so I guess you do think my pointing out the errors of your football analogies does deserve a response.
Kyle isn't my brother, nephew or even my cousin. He just a top flight coach who has brought the 49er a lot of success despite not winning it all, which apparently is the only acceptable outcome and the fact that he hasn't won a ring in 7 (now looking like 8 ) seasons is proof he never will. Just a foolish way to look at a head coach with such a short time in the league and who started with the absolute worst roster in football at the time AND who has never had the advantage of having a truly top QB run his offense. I love Brock but he's not top flight yet, and that's not expected of a 7th round pick who is only in his 3rd year in the league.
While it's cute that you came to the support of WingNut, maybe take the time to go back and look at who started the name calling in this instance. Wingnut insulted a poster who merely stated that the 49ers were downplaying Purdy's injury and when I agreed with the poster, well because I think he is right, the name calling started. Probably because the guy was an Eagles fan, but that doesn't mean he wasn't right, which in this case he was.
Edit to add: I see Wingnut deleted the post where he called me a DB. No need. I'm not a snowflake who can't take criticism
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ChiefD
Footballguy
Which brings up the question whether the Niners pay Brock Purdy. Is Purdy more McNabb-ish than a Mahomes-ish. Tough call for the Niners.
efactor
Footballguy
I have put this out there previous, but worth repeating.
Unless Purdy is willing to sign a somewhat team friendly deal, I think they should just let him play out the last year of his rookie contract. If he plays well, then they can extend him and FT him as a last resort. Hate to see a Trevor Lawrence situation where he gets a huge contract and doesn't play to it.
I think Brock will continue to improve, so they will work something out, but it doesn't absolutely have to be this year.
He's definitively not Mahomes or Allen. Let's put Lamar in a separate bucket because he's unique. I think Purdy is in that next tier of QBs who raises the floor of a team and can easily win a title with the right group around him. The question for me the rest of the season is whether I'm right about that, or if he's more a Kirk Cousins/Trevor Lawrence, slightly better than average guy. And regardless of whether he's in the prime Matt Ryan or Kirk Cousins category, how much can you pay a non-Allen/Mahomes QB and still be competitive.
efactor
Footballguy
Yeah. As a father of 3, impossible to imagine losing a child but I can imagine that my focus would not be on my job if something like that happened.
I'd be going through the motions at best, which is what it sounds like Ward is doing.
Don't.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Agree 100%.
And I don't sweat the trolls, that's what the ignore feature is for. I'm done arguing with them, they're not worth my time.
Back on topic - Anyone wanna bet Shanahan doesn't try anything new or different this week? He seems content to do the same things every week and expect different results. It's maddening.
efactor
Footballguy
Back on topic. “Its all Shanahans fault”.
It’s not back on topic, it’s your only topic
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I said it earlier on Trent, I’d be happy for him if he retired. He’s given this franchise so much at the highest level. I love him and he’ll be extremely missed on the field and in the locker room, but life is bigger than football and he’s
earned his place in the hearts of 49ers’ fans. First ballot HOF, time to be with his wife and worry about personal related matters.
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Wingnut
Footballguy
looks familiar
efactor
Footballguy
Decent article, but pretty sure Rodgers, Cousins or Stafford isn't the answer for next year. WTF are these guys talking about? None of these guys would be better than Purdy for next season and all would be massively more expensive, assuming no contract extension. Brady was a totally different situation. Was still playing at a high level and the 49er QB situation at he time wasn't great.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Don't throw in the towel just yet...gonna need you guys to win a game in a couple weeks.
Wingnut
Footballguy
#NFL QB Progressions through Week 13
Purdy goes through his progressions on 92.6% of his passes, the 3rd-highest rate in the league (behind Burrow and Stafford), a testament to how few screen passes Kyle has called this season. Brock very rarely takes the checkdown (5th-lowest rate in the NFL).
Table w/breakdown of 1st and 2nd read throws, checkdown rates, and scramble rate:
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Purdy goes through his progressions on 92.6% of his passes, the 3rd-highest rate in the league (behind Burrow and Stafford), a testament to how few screen passes Kyle has called this season. Brock very rarely takes the checkdown (5th-lowest rate in the NFL).
Table w/breakdown of 1st and 2nd read throws, checkdown rates, and scramble rate:
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Footballguy
Sunday injury report:
OUT: Trent Williams, George Odum, Jordan Mason, Dre Greenlaw
DOUBTFUL: Nick Bosa
QUESTIONABLE: Aaron Banks, Demetrius Flan-Fowles, Talanoa Hufanga
Charvarius Ward (personal) added to practice report today as DNP. Yetur Gross-Matos upgraded from limited to full.
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OUT: Trent Williams, George Odum, Jordan Mason, Dre Greenlaw
DOUBTFUL: Nick Bosa
QUESTIONABLE: Aaron Banks, Demetrius Flan-Fowles, Talanoa Hufanga
Charvarius Ward (personal) added to practice report today as DNP. Yetur Gross-Matos upgraded from limited to full.
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Wingnut
Footballguy
RB depth chart
Isaac Guerendo
Patrick Taylor Jr
Isreal Abanikanda
Ke'Shawn Vaughan
I think we will see more of Abanikanda than Taylor going forward but it might be a game before he sees action.
Shanahan on Abanikanda:
“I liked him coming out of college. I haven’t studied him a ton in the NFL, but he was a guy that I had good notes on from college and liked. And I know our scouting department thought he was the best guy out there being available. So in our situation, especially glad to get him here.”
Abanikanda’s mix of straight-line speed and solid size makes him at least somewhat reminiscent of Guerendo, who posted one of the most impressive size-speed combinations — a 4.33 40-yard dash at 221 pounds — of any running back to ever participate in the NFL scouting combine.
Consider the acquisition of Abanikanda, a fifth-round selection of the Jets in 2023, to be like a free draft pick for the 49ers. Because they claimed Abanikanda’s rookie contract off waivers, he’s under team control for two full seasons beyond this one at affordable base salaries just a smidge over $1 million.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Talanoa Hufanga officially activated. He’ll make his return for the 49ers tomorrow against the Bears. Ji’Ayir Brown has struggled against the run for the 49ers, especially lately. We’ll see if Hufanga can give them a boost.
Other Saturday roster moves:
Placed on IR: RB Jordan Mason, S George Odum
Promoted to 53: OL Sebastian Gutierrez
Elevated to roster for Sunday: LB Jalen Graham, RB Ke’Shawn Vaughn
Bosa and Banks are OUT. Ben Bartch gets another start at LT.
Other Saturday roster moves:
Placed on IR: RB Jordan Mason, S George Odum
Promoted to 53: OL Sebastian Gutierrez
Elevated to roster for Sunday: LB Jalen Graham, RB Ke’Shawn Vaughn
Bosa and Banks are OUT. Ben Bartch gets another start at LT.
Could do it without....
I think you're making the argument that the coach isn't that importnant.
I know there's a SB or bust mentality, but the reality is that 31 of 32 coaches will fail to achieve that this year. Sometimes you just catch bad breaks despite your effort.
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