Saw where **** Vermeil said Gonzo in his prime ran a 4.8 (1 Viewer)

[bigreese82]

Mainly was curious about RB, WR, LB, DB?

I think people get so carried away with 40 times and assuming 40 times make great wrs. Was wondering what the top guys actually run. I would find it hard to believe if T.O runs anything faster than a 4.6 now..maybe even 4.7.

Is LT a 4.4 guy now?

 

[TheGreatest]

Some past NFL combine 40 times.....You can see some of the best players in the league right now did not have that "WOW" 40 time......

RB

L. Tomlinson.......4.46

L. Johnson..........4.55

S. Jackson..........4.45

E. James............4.38

W. McGahee.......4.45

S. Alexabder......4.58

J. Lewis.............4.58

C. Portis............4.42

R. Bush.............4.38

L. Maroney........4.55

J. Addai............4.40

R. Brown..........4.43

C. Benson........4.48

C. Williams.......4.43

WR

Torry Holt...........4.44

Chad Johnson.....4.57

L. Fitzgerald........4.63

R. Wayne...........4.45

A. Johnson.........4.40

A. Boldin............4.72

P. Burress..........4.59

R. Williams.........4.48

J. Walker...........4.38

 

[mlball77]

Interesting list... and topic in general.

I think there is also a big difference between 40 times and in-game speed. Some players just seem more fluid and explosive in pads than others.

 

[bigreese82]

Some past NFL combine 40 times.....You can see some of the best players in the league right now did not have that "WOW" 40 time......RBL. Tomlinson.......4.46L. Johnson..........4.55S. Jackson..........4.45E. James............4.38W. McGahee.......4.45S. Alexabder......4.58J. Lewis.............4.58C. Portis............4.42R. Bush.............4.38L. Maroney........4.55J. Addai............4.40R. Brown..........4.43C. Benson........4.48C. Williams.......4.43WRTorry Holt...........4.44Chad Johnson.....4.57L. Fitzgerald........4.63R. Wayne...........4.45A. Johnson.........4.40A. Boldin............4.72P. Burress..........4.59R. Williams.........4.48J. Walker...........4.38

exactly what I was looking for

 

[bigreese82]

only 3 sub 4.4s by the elite ones

 

[stbugs]

Some past NFL combine 40 times.....You can see some of the best players in the league right now did not have that "WOW" 40 time......RBL. Tomlinson.......4.46L. Johnson..........4.55S. Jackson..........4.45E. James............4.38W. McGahee.......4.45S. Alexabder......4.58J. Lewis.............4.58C. Portis............4.42R. Bush.............4.38L. Maroney........4.55J. Addai............4.40R. Brown..........4.43C. Benson........4.48C. Williams.......4.43WRTorry Holt...........4.44Chad Johnson.....4.57L. Fitzgerald........4.63R. Wayne...........4.45A. Johnson.........4.40A. Boldin............4.72P. Burress..........4.59R. Williams.........4.48J. Walker...........4.38

exactly what I was looking for

Not sure that all of those are correct.I thought Javon Walker slipped out of the 1st round like Boldin did because of his slow 40 time. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought both Boldin and Walker were easy 1st rounders if their 40 times were better. Also, Edge running a 4.38 seems a lot faster than I thought. One other note, pretty sure McGahee didn't even run at the combine.One other note. As far as I can tell, I think most of those times (as they are listed) are pretty impressive to me. It is pretty rare that people run in the 4.3x range since I believe that 4.28 is the faster ever at the combine (not counting BS info and pro-days). That IMHO means that times in the high 4.3s to mid 4.4s is very fast. So I think 15 of the 23 would be considered very fast/fast and that 8 of the 23 "overcame" their slowness. Not sure that that shows that the 40 time means anything other than the fact that some people's quickness overcomes their straight line speed.By the way, just for fun, if someone runs a 4.0 40 and another guy runs a 5.0 40, then it will take 50 yards for the 4.0 guy to catch the 5.0 guy if the 5.0 guy has a 10 yard lead. Now, reduce this to a 4.0 and a 4.1 guy (0.1 second difference). If the 4.1 guy starts at the 2.5 yard line and the 4.0 at the goal line, the 4.0 guy won't pass him until they reach the other goal line, 100 yards later. That is one of the main reasons that quickness, vision and route running mean more than a 0.05 or 0.1 second difference in the 40.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Some past NFL combine 40 times.....You can see some of the best players in the league right now did not have that "WOW" 40 time......RBL. Tomlinson.......4.46L. Johnson..........4.55S. Jackson..........4.45E. James............4.38W. McGahee.......4.45S. Alexabder......4.58J. Lewis.............4.58C. Portis............4.42R. Bush.............4.38L. Maroney........4.55J. Addai............4.40R. Brown..........4.43C. Benson........4.48C. Williams.......4.43WRTorry Holt...........4.44Chad Johnson.....4.57L. Fitzgerald........4.63R. Wayne...........4.45A. Johnson.........4.40A. Boldin............4.72P. Burress..........4.59R. Williams.........4.48J. Walker...........4.38

Thanks TG,What is the source for these times? Thanks.J

 

[Assani Fisher]

E. James............4.38

 

[TommyKramer]

Not sure that all of those are correct.

I thought Javon Walker slipped out of the 1st round

Walker was a 1st round pick. In fact, the Packers traded up in the 1st round (I believe packaging their 2nd round pick in the process) to get him.

 

[trader jake]

Walker was a 1st round pick. In fact, the Packers traded up in the 1st round (I believe packaging their 2nd round pick in the process) to get him.

You are correct TK. Some questioned Javon's speed because he is a long strider. Usually longstriders are not explosive off the snap (or the start in the 40) and can have trouble getting in and out of their breaks. This would also apply to a guy like Plaxico Burress. Of course those two players I mentioned have been very successful in the NFL while others with this body type have not been.

 

[stbugs]

Not sure that all of those are correct.

I thought Javon Walker slipped out of the 1st round

Walker was a 1st round pick. In fact, the Packers traded up in the 1st round (I believe packaging their 2nd round pick in the process) to get him.

Thanks. Maybe I was thinking of someone completely different. I don't think Walker fits the Boldin slipping thing. Maybe it was Chad Johnson I was thinking of, who I think ran a "slower" time and slipped into the 2nd.

 

[TheGreatest]

Some past NFL combine 40 times.....You can see some of the best players in the league right now did not have that "WOW" 40 time......

RB

L. Tomlinson.......4.46

L. Johnson..........4.55

S. Jackson..........4.45

E. James............4.38

W. McGahee.......4.45

S. Alexabder......4.58

J. Lewis.............4.58

C. Portis............4.42

R. Bush.............4.38

L. Maroney........4.55

J. Addai............4.40

R. Brown..........4.43

C. Benson........4.48

C. Williams.......4.43

WR

Torry Holt...........4.44

Chad Johnson.....4.57

L. Fitzgerald........4.63

R. Wayne...........4.45

A. Johnson.........4.40

A. Boldin............4.72

P. Burress..........4.59

R. Williams.........4.48

J. Walker...........4.38

Thanks TG,What is the source for these times? Thanks.

J

Here you go guys. Select the year you want from the pull down window labeled "select a year". Has top five players drafted at their position from 1999-current and even projects players into the future. If you click on the name of the person, it gives you their combine results as well as their pro day. BTW, even shows their wonderlic score.....alot of low oneshttp://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/playe...s&order=ASC

 

[GregR_2]

In NFL Network's draft coverage today, Mayock was saying that the scouts tell him that a player's short shuttle time should be... I believe it was around .35 seconds quicker than their 40 time. If their shuttle is faster than that, then it normally indicates the player is quick rather than fast. If their shuttle time is slower than that, it indicates the player is straight-line fast but isn't as quick.

It would be interesting to see what some of those guys shuttle times were in comparison. Did they show they were quick, if not straight-line fast?

Edit to add: I was only half paying attention at the start of the discussion, so if .35 sec faster isn't right and someone remembers what it was, please post it.