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Scott Walker WI governor vs the Packers & teachers (4 Viewers)
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SaintsInDome2006
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I'm not trying to defend anything, I just thought the poll results were interesting. 45% of Democrats think Obama is a Christian, that's not a lot either. Cstu(not exactly a raving rightist) pointed out in another thread he thought Obama was an agnostic, I don't think that's that crazy, but yes I agree and know he is a Christian. If anything IMO he quotes scripture too much.tommyGunZ said:
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LAUNCH
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snogger
Footballguy
at the guy yelling "GENERAL STRIKE" and Nobody chanting along with him and as he continues on, his true 
self comes out and everyone looks like they want to slap some tape across his mouth shut him up..
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Scott Walker supports rape cover-ups. (Or not.)
https://storify.com/drawandstrike/boy-blowing-up-a-dnc-media-hit-job-on-scott-walker
https://storify.com/drawandstrike/boy-blowing-up-a-dnc-media-hit-job-on-scott-walker
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SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Hippling a bit, but I think the proper answer to "Is X a Christian?" is "I don't know". Isn't God the only one who can know for sure?
Sand
Footballguy
Agnostic? I'd put him in the "I don't care one way or the other" camp. He may be Christian, but it would be a very disinterested Christian. The thought that he is Muslim is silly, though.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Disinterested Muslim, IMO.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Obama was a member of Trinity UCC for 20+ years, he's a Christian. What's ironic is that he's gotten into this little game himself by claiming that terrorists and ISIS are not really "Muslim." Some here claim that Westboro Baptists and types like that aren't really "Christian." That's a dangerous game all around IMO.
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Sand
Footballguy
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
You've essentially been wrong about Obama for what, 6-7 years now? At what point do you look in the mirror and say, "maybe all the conservative economic dogma I believe in isn't as true as I thought it was"?
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
"Freedom to Work" law signed this morning. Freedom!!!
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Sand
Footballguy
Oh please. He said in this video that he basically never listened to Jeremiah Wright. So if he did attend church regularly there he didn't listen much.tommyGunZ said:
If anything if there is one thing I think I am right on here it is on this part - he doesn't attend church regularly now, nor do I think he attended regularly in Chicago. I do think he is Christian, just not a very interested one.
I don't see how that is controversial or disparaging. Nor really indicative of his moral state.
People are seriously still discussing this? He gave a logical answer to a perfectly stupid question. First off, Christian is not a biblical term, the question should be if Obama is a believer in Jesus. The correct answer is that what is in his heart is for God to judge. There is nothing wrong with I don't know, it is biblical a proper response.
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The reporter wasn't speaking Biblical; he was speaking English. "Christian" is a perfectly good English term.
People are seriously still discussing this? He gave a logical answer to a perfectly stupid question. First off, Christian is not a biblical term, the question should be if Obama is a believer in Jesus. The correct answer is that what is in his heart is for God to judge. There is nothing wrong with I don't know, it is biblical a proper response.
And the correct answer is that Obama is an atheist Muslim who can't possibly be Christian, because only Americans can be Christian.
CletiusMaximus
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I'm sure this plays very well with his base. Its a bit of a tricky issue for him given his statements about private unions in the past, but I think "right to work" is very much consistent with everyone's expectations of Walker and I'm sure it pleases his core constituents.
The correct answer as a "Christian" is still, "It is God's judgment as to what is in his heart. I am not to judge." I think it is very reasonable to question the truthfulness of anything that comes out of a politicians mouth. I am not sure what the issue is at all with Walker's answer. As far as I can tell, it is a bunch of atheists who are feigning to be offended about an answer to a question about a leader's faith which in secret they hope their leader is lying about, but are making an issue about an "I don't know" response which is actually the most logical response of all. It is just plain silly. Almost a CR8F level of silliness.The reporter wasn't speaking Biblical; he was speaking English. "Christian" is a perfectly good English term.
People are seriously still discussing this? He gave a logical answer to a perfectly stupid question. First off, Christian is not a biblical term, the question should be if Obama is a believer in Jesus. The correct answer is that what is in his heart is for God to judge. There is nothing wrong with I don't know, it is biblical a proper response.
And the correct answer is that Obama is an atheist Muslim who can't possibly be Christian, because only Americans can be Christian.
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joffer
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the fact that you can't just admit he was pandering is what's sillyThe correct answer as a "Christian" is still, "It is God's judgment as to what is in his heart. I am not to judge." I think it is very reasonable to question the truthfulness of anything that comes out of a politicians mouth. I am not sure what the issue is at all with Walker's answer. As far as I can tell, it is a bunch of atheists who are feigning to be offended about an answer to a question about a leader's faith which in secret they hope their leader is lying about, but are making an issue about an "I don't know" response which is actually the most logical response of all. It is just plain silly. Almost a CR8F level of silliness.The reporter wasn't speaking Biblical; he was speaking English. "Christian" is a perfectly good English term.
People are seriously still discussing this? He gave a logical answer to a perfectly stupid question. First off, Christian is not a biblical term, the question should be if Obama is a believer in Jesus. The correct answer is that what is in his heart is for God to judge. There is nothing wrong with I don't know, it is biblical a proper response.
And the correct answer is that Obama is an atheist Muslim who can't possibly be Christian, because only Americans can be Christian.
Isn't that a given? Of course he was pandering. He is a politician running a campaign. That is what they do. Are we supposed to be shocked and offended by this?the fact that you can't just admit he was pandering is what's sillyThe correct answer as a "Christian" is still, "It is God's judgment as to what is in his heart. I am not to judge." I think it is very reasonable to question the truthfulness of anything that comes out of a politicians mouth. I am not sure what the issue is at all with Walker's answer. As far as I can tell, it is a bunch of atheists who are feigning to be offended about an answer to a question about a leader's faith which in secret they hope their leader is lying about, but are making an issue about an "I don't know" response which is actually the most logical response of all. It is just plain silly. Almost a CR8F level of silliness.The reporter wasn't speaking Biblical; he was speaking English. "Christian" is a perfectly good English term.
People are seriously still discussing this? He gave a logical answer to a perfectly stupid question. First off, Christian is not a biblical term, the question should be if Obama is a believer in Jesus. The correct answer is that what is in his heart is for God to judge. There is nothing wrong with I don't know, it is biblical a proper response.
And the correct answer is that Obama is an atheist Muslim who can't possibly be Christian, because only Americans can be Christian.
joffer
Footballguy
nope, and nothing wrong with criticizing pandering wherever we see it.Isn't that a given? Of course he was pandering. He is a politician running a campaign. That is what they do. Are we supposed to be shocked and offended by this?the fact that you can't just admit he was pandering is what's sillyThe correct answer as a "Christian" is still, "It is God's judgment as to what is in his heart. I am not to judge." I think it is very reasonable to question the truthfulness of anything that comes out of a politicians mouth. I am not sure what the issue is at all with Walker's answer. As far as I can tell, it is a bunch of atheists who are feigning to be offended about an answer to a question about a leader's faith which in secret they hope their leader is lying about, but are making an issue about an "I don't know" response which is actually the most logical response of all. It is just plain silly. Almost a CR8F level of silliness.The reporter wasn't speaking Biblical; he was speaking English. "Christian" is a perfectly good English term.
People are seriously still discussing this? He gave a logical answer to a perfectly stupid question. First off, Christian is not a biblical term, the question should be if Obama is a believer in Jesus. The correct answer is that what is in his heart is for God to judge. There is nothing wrong with I don't know, it is biblical a proper response.
And the correct answer is that Obama is an atheist Muslim who can't possibly be Christian, because only Americans can be Christian.
Nothing wrong with it at all, but about as useful as pointing out the sky is blue. I am also just pointing out all the phony outrage, which also is as expected.nope, and nothing wrong with criticizing pandering wherever we see it.Isn't that a given? Of course he was pandering. He is a politician running a campaign. That is what they do. Are we supposed to be shocked and offended by this?the fact that you can't just admit he was pandering is what's sillyThe correct answer as a "Christian" is still, "It is God's judgment as to what is in his heart. I am not to judge." I think it is very reasonable to question the truthfulness of anything that comes out of a politicians mouth. I am not sure what the issue is at all with Walker's answer. As far as I can tell, it is a bunch of atheists who are feigning to be offended about an answer to a question about a leader's faith which in secret they hope their leader is lying about, but are making an issue about an "I don't know" response which is actually the most logical response of all. It is just plain silly. Almost a CR8F level of silliness.The reporter wasn't speaking Biblical; he was speaking English. "Christian" is a perfectly good English term.
People are seriously still discussing this? He gave a logical answer to a perfectly stupid question. First off, Christian is not a biblical term, the question should be if Obama is a believer in Jesus. The correct answer is that what is in his heart is for God to judge. There is nothing wrong with I don't know, it is biblical a proper response.
And the correct answer is that Obama is an atheist Muslim who can't possibly be Christian, because only Americans can be Christian.
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joffer
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i disagree, we've just grown numb to it.Nothing wrong with it at all, but about as useful as pointing out the sky is blue. I am also just pointing out all the phony outrage, which also is as expected.nope, and nothing wrong with criticizing pandering wherever we see it.Isn't that a given? Of course he was pandering. He is a politician running a campaign. That is what they do. Are we supposed to be shocked and offended by this?the fact that you can't just admit he was pandering is what's sillyThe correct answer as a "Christian" is still, "It is God's judgment as to what is in his heart. I am not to judge." I think it is very reasonable to question the truthfulness of anything that comes out of a politicians mouth. I am not sure what the issue is at all with Walker's answer. As far as I can tell, it is a bunch of atheists who are feigning to be offended about an answer to a question about a leader's faith which in secret they hope their leader is lying about, but are making an issue about an "I don't know" response which is actually the most logical response of all. It is just plain silly. Almost a CR8F level of silliness.The reporter wasn't speaking Biblical; he was speaking English. "Christian" is a perfectly good English term.
People are seriously still discussing this? He gave a logical answer to a perfectly stupid question. First off, Christian is not a biblical term, the question should be if Obama is a believer in Jesus. The correct answer is that what is in his heart is for God to judge. There is nothing wrong with I don't know, it is biblical a proper response.
And the correct answer is that Obama is an atheist Muslim who can't possibly be Christian, because only Americans can be Christian.
The problem with Walker's answer is that answers are supposed to be either boring or stupid -- not both.The correct answer as a "Christian" is still, "It is God's judgment as to what is in his heart. I am not to judge." I think it is very reasonable to question the truthfulness of anything that comes out of a politicians mouth. I am not sure what the issue is at all with Walker's answer. As far as I can tell, it is a bunch of atheists who are feigning to be offended about an answer to a question about a leader's faith which in secret they hope their leader is lying about, but are making an issue about an "I don't know" response which is actually the most logical response of all. It is just plain silly. Almost a CR8F level of silliness.The reporter wasn't speaking Biblical; he was speaking English. "Christian" is a perfectly good English term.
People are seriously still discussing this? He gave a logical answer to a perfectly stupid question. First off, Christian is not a biblical term, the question should be if Obama is a believer in Jesus. The correct answer is that what is in his heart is for God to judge. There is nothing wrong with I don't know, it is biblical a proper response.
And the correct answer is that Obama is an atheist Muslim who can't possibly be Christian, because only Americans can be Christian.
Boring, non-stupid answer: "Of course Obama is a Christian. Everybody knows that."
Non-boring, stupid answer: "He says he's a Christian, but I think it's rather likely that he's secretly an atheist. He is an intellectual, after all -- and the worst kind: he's a former ivory-tower, university professor! Pretty much all of them are atheists, right?"
Boring, stupid answer: "I don't know."
ffldrew
Footballguy
Van Dyman
Footballguy
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Mario Kart
Footballguy
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Just a friendly reminder from the one true American Canadian that posted in this thread.
Just a friendly reminder from the one true American Canadian that posted in this thread.
Van Dyman
Footballguy
I just meant the Koch money could help Walker get the GOP nomination. That would make Dems happy. He's no threat.
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Eephus
Footballguy
The resources will help him in the primaries. There will be so much
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
I'm not so sure about that. The raging left and the unions thought the same thing here in WI and he's steamrolled them 3 times in 4 years.
timschochet
Footballguy
lol- guess you're not aware that ever since 2009 Soros has been trying to have meetings with Obama and has mostly been unsuccessful- he's considered persona non grata at the White House.
timschochet
Footballguy
I think Scott Walker could easily be the GOP candidate- in fact, he is my favorite right now to win it (though the debates and other events will change things several times.)
I also think he could be a very dangerous candidate and could be elected, though winning Florida remains problematic.
I also think he could be a very dangerous candidate and could be elected, though winning Florida remains problematic.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Rayderr
Footballguy
He beat Barrett by more than Obama beat Romney or McCain. Both of which I've heard the left describe as obama crushing, dominating, steamrolling, etc his opponents.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
He faced Barrett last time?
Rayderr
Footballguy
Sorry, went to the recall election. But he also beat Burke by more than Obama beat Romney by. Point still stands.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Well...I wouldn't have called any of them steamrolling...and Burke was about as bad of a candidate as possible.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
3 Elections in 4 years, Conceal Carry, Act 10, Right to Work...all examples of steamrolling the liberals in this state. It's simply monumental all that he and the Republicans have accomplished - and it all started with Walker.
Hmmm... I know i'm missing something too to add to the list.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
The last election was not a steamrolling.
It was a pretty narrow victory for him over a terrible candidate in Burke.
I think he has done some good things for WI...no doubt about that (he got to a few of them in pretty weasely manner though)...does not mean he is ready to lead this country. IMO, he is an awful choice. Telling that in the GOP thread I asked what was appealing about him other than fiscally. The best answer (or the only real answer) was that he could unite the base. Ooof.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
I know it doesn't mean much since its 2015 but Walker winning isn't some astronomical feat in Wisconsin. Had the democrats had someone competent in the recall or this last election, Walker would have been out.
The only thing steamrolled was some of his policies that were passed through the Assembly and Senate. That's fine cause the Republicans won but some of the current shortfalls are going to come back and bite the Republican Party pretty hard if they don't get the ship righted. The economic policies with the tax cuts and then cutting education are right out of Bush's playbook just a decade ago. I hope what happened on a national level doesn't happens in our state. Fiscally, Walker has been crap because people can look at what has happened but are failing to even think about what will happen.
Walker lost many people when he decided to do what Iowa wanted him to do instead of what was good for Wisconsin. If some of what he wants to do does get done going forward, the pendulum will swing back quickly. And, if that Democrat is fiscally competent, the Dems will have power for awhile. Walker has failed fiscally and has shown he is mostly talk with little substance. If he gets far in the Republican debates he is going to be exposed big time.
The only thing steamrolled was some of his policies that were passed through the Assembly and Senate. That's fine cause the Republicans won but some of the current shortfalls are going to come back and bite the Republican Party pretty hard if they don't get the ship righted. The economic policies with the tax cuts and then cutting education are right out of Bush's playbook just a decade ago. I hope what happened on a national level doesn't happens in our state. Fiscally, Walker has been crap because people can look at what has happened but are failing to even think about what will happen.
Walker lost many people when he decided to do what Iowa wanted him to do instead of what was good for Wisconsin. If some of what he wants to do does get done going forward, the pendulum will swing back quickly. And, if that Democrat is fiscally competent, the Dems will have power for awhile. Walker has failed fiscally and has shown he is mostly talk with little substance. If he gets far in the Republican debates he is going to be exposed big time.
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I'M surprised there hasn't been discussion on the WI Supreme Court ruling on the Walker investigation. The prosecutor, and Democrats pushing this, got quite a beat down by the WI SC. There's a really good chance that the lawsuits against the prosecutor end up being successful IMO. Total redemption and clearing of Walker and his allies and a huge black eye to his foes.
http://reason.com/blog/2015/07/16/wisconsin-supreme-court-shuts-down-polit
http://reason.com/blog/2015/07/16/wisconsin-supreme-court-shuts-down-polit
GroveDiesel
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I know nothing of the facts or circumstances of this situation, but when has a lawsuit against a prosecutor been successful, ever?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
It's very very rare and requires evidence of malicious prosecution. In this case, there is quite a bit of evidence that that's exactly what happened and the WI SC decision gives a lot of weight to that.
timschochet
Footballguy
It probably wouldn't help Walker at the present time to emphasize this. I think he's got a real shot at the nomination, as good as anyone presently.
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