Seattle @ Washington ... Pregame chatter (1 Viewer)

[drummer]

In analysis of your own team what do they do that pisses you off?

Redskins commit too many penalties, almost every game.Redskin coaches have trouble getting players on the field and plays called in a reasonable amount of time, usually burning 2 needless timeouts per half.

This one they finally fixed --- letting Brandon Banks return kicks when all he did was run sideways and put the ball on the ground more than any player in the league.

This one they finally fixed --- all-out rushes leaving no safety help for CB's and getting burned deep repeatedly. I can't be the only one of us who still wakes up screaming thinking of the Victor Cruz play.

Haslett looks like a ferret.

Interior offensive line still allows too much pressure directly up the middle on several plays per game. Griffin's fast, but he can't run backwards as fast an oncoming linemen can run forward right at him.

Josh Morgan is never uncovered. He makes tough catches in traffic, I have to give him that. But he's never open. I swear that when he gets open he must grab a defender and pulls him over. He usually looks like one of a set of Siamese twins where they each wear different uniforms.

Home fans still aren't loud enough. You still can't see the broadcast cameras shaking (although I did see that once last game, so it's improving).

Morgan was one of those FA's that 49er fans thought a "must re-sign". I wasn't one of them.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

It's not terrible, but there's a lot of cherry-picking too. For example the cherry-picking of the Atlanta, Pittsburgh and Cincy games to make 90% of this argument that a quality defense can shut down the Redskins. The problem, of course, is that those averages weighed down by their single dreadful performance against Pittsburgh.

Yeah, that's the absolute worst part of a pretty lousy piece of statistical analysis. The Redskins scored 12 against Pittsburgh. Which means they scored an average of 24 pts against the other two Top 10 defenses (in fact, they scored 31 against the Bengals and 17 against the Falcons). Meaning of those three teams, one team did better against the Redskins than their average (the Steelers), on did about their average (the Falcons) and one did significantly worse (the Bengals). And of course, Seattle faced 3 of "the Top 11" offenses. A tranparent attempt to include two games against San Francisco, and to include San Fran's 23.8 pts/game mark in the same cohort as New England's 32 pts/game mark and by extension to make that manufactured "cohort" correspond to Washington's 27 pt/game. It seems far more powerful to just say that the Redskins haven't faced a defense as good as Seattle this year. They haven't.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Redskins D surrendered 300+ yard passing performances to 9 QBs this year. Would've been 10, but J.Freeman threw for a measly 299 in week 4. Redskins do surrender only 95 ypg on the ground which ranks 5th in the NFL, but their YPC average is....AVERAGE at 4.2 YPC. If passing wasn't so easy against them Im willing to bet they would surrender A LOT more on the ground w/ a higher average.

Seahawks allow 306 total ypg which is 4th in the NFL and they allow a league low 15.3 ppg. The Redskins allow 377.7 total ypg which is 28th in the NFL and they allow 24.2 ppg which is 22nd in the NFL.

 

[TobiasFunke]

It's not terrible, but there's a lot of cherry-picking too. For example the cherry-picking of the Atlanta, Pittsburgh and Cincy games to make 90% of this argument that a quality defense can shut down the Redskins. The problem, of course, is that those averages weighed down by their single dreadful performance against Pittsburgh.

Yeah, that's the absolute worst part of a pretty lousy piece of statistical analysis. The Redskins scored 12 against Pittsburgh. Which means they scored an average of 24 pts against the other two Top 10 defenses (in fact, they scored 31 against the Bengals and 17 against the Falcons). Meaning of those three teams, one team did better against the Redskins than their average (the Steelers), on did about their average (the Falcons) and one did significantly worse (the Bengals). And of course, Seattle faced 3 of "the Top 11" offenses. A tranparent attempt to include two games against San Francisco, and to include San Fran's 23.8 pts/game mark in the same cohort as New England's 32 pts/game mark and by extension to make that manufactured "cohort" correspond to Washington's 27 pt/game. It seems far more powerful to just say that the Redskins haven't faced a defense as good as Seattle this year. They haven't.

Yeah, that would have been a more effective argument. Rams' defense is awfully good though. 7th in DVOA. Skins did OK against them on the road.

 

[drummer]

It's not terrible, but there's a lot of cherry-picking too. For example the cherry-picking of the Atlanta, Pittsburgh and Cincy games to make 90% of this argument that a quality defense can shut down the Redskins. The problem, of course, is that those averages weighed down by their single dreadful performance against Pittsburgh.

Yeah, that's the absolute worst part of a pretty lousy piece of statistical analysis. The Redskins scored 12 against Pittsburgh. Which means they scored an average of 24 pts against the other two Top 10 defenses (in fact, they scored 31 against the Bengals and 17 against the Falcons). Meaning of those three teams, one team did better against the Redskins than their average (the Steelers), on did about their average (the Falcons) and one did significantly worse (the Bengals). And of course, Seattle faced 3 of "the Top 11" offenses. A tranparent attempt to include two games against San Francisco, and to include San Fran's 23.8 pts/game mark in the same cohort as New England's 32 pts/game mark and by extension to make that manufactured "cohort" correspond to Washington's 27 pt/game. It seems far more powerful to just say that the Redskins haven't faced a defense as good as Seattle this year. They haven't.

Yeah, that would have been a more effective argument.

Rams' defense is awfully good though. 7th in DVOA. Skins did OK against them on the road.

It would be a shame to underrate what Jeff Fisher is doing there.

 

[Hooper31]

* G J.R. Sweezy is a liability against the pass rush. He struggled last week in line adjustments and allowed Chris Long a free run at Wilson twice. If Haslett chooses to blitz like he did last week it could be a serious issue again.

He is seriously bad and has been all season. I give him a "pass" for basically learning the position on the go this season, but good gods is he bad. Unger needs to be helping him a LOT.

Regarding Sweezy, what do you expect from a rookie who played DL in college and has been switched to OG and been forced to learn on the job at the NFL level? Hard to believe that was their best option when they made that decision.

I expect exactly what he is. I wasn't trying to classify him as a bust or anything. He's very mobile and mean and will probably make a good guard. He just has a huge learning curve to undertake for the position. I doubt they planned on having him start week 1 but that's how it played out.

I fully understand his upside and why Cable has a man-crush on his potential. Sweezy is darn quick for his size and he has the nasty attitude that people want in a guard. Can't remember where I saw it highlighted, but the cut block he put on Willis a few weeks back was sweet. Totally took him out of the play and kept Willis from being able to chase Lynch down from the backside (it was Lynch's TD run in the SF game). The major problem for me is just pre-snap recognition on pass plays. He doesn't have the experience to know who's coming and how to adjust.

 

[proninja]

I think my favorite part of this thread is going to be after the game when one team's fans start bumping old posts saying that they were right/the other fans were wrong when we're looking at both teams having very realistic odds at winning

 

[Leroy Hoard]

It's not terrible, but there's a lot of cherry-picking too. For example the cherry-picking of the Atlanta, Pittsburgh and Cincy games to make 90% of this argument that a quality defense can shut down the Redskins. The problem, of course, is that those averages weighed down by their single dreadful performance against Pittsburgh.

Yeah, that's the absolute worst part of a pretty lousy piece of statistical analysis. The Redskins scored 12 against Pittsburgh. Which means they scored an average of 24 pts against the other two Top 10 defenses (in fact, they scored 31 against the Bengals and 17 against the Falcons). Meaning of those three teams, one team did better against the Redskins than their average (the Steelers), on did about their average (the Falcons) and one did significantly worse (the Bengals). And of course, Seattle faced 3 of "the Top 11" offenses. A tranparent attempt to include two games against San Francisco, and to include San Fran's 23.8 pts/game mark in the same cohort as New England's 32 pts/game mark and by extension to make that manufactured "cohort" correspond to Washington's 27 pt/game. It seems far more powerful to just say that the Redskins haven't faced a defense as good as Seattle this year. They haven't.

Yeah, that would have been a more effective argument.

Rams' defense is awfully good though. 7th in DVOA. Skins did OK against them on the road.

It would be a shame to underrate what Jeff Fisher is doing there.

It seemed like every time I saw a Rams game a good offense was having problems moving the ball.

 

[butcher boy]

I think the Seattle hype is out of control and way overblown. There was an impressive 3 game stretch which included two 50+ point games against 2 bottomfeeders of the league. Ok fine. But no one's mentioned the Rams game last week which was almost like a playoff game for Seattle and also their first relatively tough road game in a while, and they kind of barely squeeked by.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I think the Seattle hype is out of control and way overblown. There was an impressive 3 game stretch which included two 50+ point games against 2 bottomfeeders of the league. Ok fine. But no one's mentioned the Rams game last week which was almost like a playoff game for Seattle and also their first relatively tough road game in a while, and they kind of barely squeeked by.

How so? Hadn't they locked up the playoff spot already?If anything I'd be inclined to disregard that game as much as any other on their schedule, along with the 8 turnover game I guess.

 

[matttyl]

Seahawks allow 306 total ypg which is 4th in the NFL and they allow a league low 15.3 ppg. The Redskins allow 377.7 total ypg which is 28th in the NFL and they allow 24.2 ppg which is 22nd in the NFL.

Lets take grass out of it, On the road the Seahawks have allowed 21.5 PPG over the 2nd half of the season (last 4 road games), since as you've stated they are a different team now than they were at the start of the season. In those games they allowed 436, 442, 365 and 365 yards (average of over 400 YPG, nearly 100 yards more than their season average you posted above, but I included each to show that there wasn't an outlier skewing the stats). They went 2-2 in those games, so it's not like they were giving up "garbage time" yardage.Conversely, at home the Redskins have allowed 6, 16, 28 and 18 points (only 17 PPG) over the 2nd half of the season, since the Redskins also aren't the same team now they were at the start of the season. In those games they have allowed 284, 397, 368, and 318 yards (average of 342 YPG). The Redskins went 4-0 in those games.In both yardage and in points the Redskins have been a better home defense than Seattle has been road defense the 2nd half of the season.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I think the Seattle hype is out of control and way overblown. There was an impressive 3 game stretch which included two 50+ point games against 2 bottomfeeders of the league. Ok fine. But no one's mentioned the Rams game last week which was almost like a playoff game for Seattle and also their first relatively tough road game in a while, and they kind of barely squeeked by.

How so? Hadn't they locked up the playoff spot already?

Yes, but they were still playing to win the division and get the 2 seed (which they would have gotten had ARZ upset SF).

 

[proninja]

I think the Seattle hype is out of control and way overblown. There was an impressive 3 game stretch which included two 50+ point games against 2 bottomfeeders of the league. Ok fine. But no one's mentioned the Rams game last week which was almost like a playoff game for Seattle and also their first relatively tough road game in a while, and they kind of barely squeeked by.

A few things:1. They destroyed the 49ers 42-13. It wasn't that close. The 49ers are very good2. If you want to look at "almost like a playoff game" look at the 49er game3. The Rams game was a home game4. "Squeaked"5. I've mentioned the Rams game in here a couple times

 

[mad sweeney]

* G J.R. Sweezy is a liability against the pass rush. He struggled last week in line adjustments and allowed Chris Long a free run at Wilson twice. If Haslett chooses to blitz like he did last week it could be a serious issue again.

He is seriously bad and has been all season. I give him a "pass" for basically learning the position on the go this season, but good gods is he bad. Unger needs to be helping him a LOT.

Regarding Sweezy, what do you expect from a rookie who played DL in college and has been switched to OG and been forced to learn on the job at the NFL level? Hard to believe that was their best option when they made that decision.

I expect exactly what he is. I wasn't trying to classify him as a bust or anything. He's very mobile and mean and will probably make a good guard. He just has a huge learning curve to undertake for the position. I doubt they planned on having him start week 1 but that's how it played out.

I fully understand his upside and why Cable has a man-crush on his potential. Sweezy is darn quick for his size and he has the nasty attitude that people want in a guard. Can't remember where I saw it highlighted, but the cut block he put on Willis a few weeks back was sweet. Totally took him out of the play and kept Willis from being able to chase Lynch down from the backside (it was Lynch's TD run in the SF game). The major problem for me is just pre-snap recognition on pass plays. He doesn't have the experience to know who's coming and how to adjust.

He was supposed to have time to learn. Moffit and Carpenter just couldn't stay healthy.

 

[drummer]

I think the Seattle hype is out of control and way overblown. There was an impressive 3 game stretch which included two 50+ point games against 2 bottomfeeders of the league. Ok fine. But no one's mentioned the Rams game last week which was almost like a playoff game for Seattle and also their first relatively tough road game in a while, and they kind of barely squeeked by.

NOW AZ and BUF are bottom feeders, but not when Alex Smith faced them.

 

[mad sweeney]

I think the Seattle hype is out of control and way overblown. There was an impressive 3 game stretch which included two 50+ point games against 2 bottomfeeders of the league. Ok fine. But no one's mentioned the Rams game last week which was almost like a playoff game for Seattle and also their first relatively tough road game in a while, and they kind of barely squeeked by.

Other than it not being anything like a playoff game because their playoff spot was already assured, it not being a road game and plenty of people having discussed the Rams game, your post is spot on!

 

[butcher boy]

I think the Seattle hype is out of control and way overblown. There was an impressive 3 game stretch which included two 50+ point games against 2 bottomfeeders of the league. Ok fine. But no one's mentioned the Rams game last week which was almost like a playoff game for Seattle and also their first relatively tough road game in a while, and they kind of barely squeeked by.

Other than it not being anything like a playoff game because their playoff spot was already assured, it not being a road game and plenty of people having discussed the Rams game, your post is spot on!

Oops, had no idea it was a home game. But that makes their momentum even more of a concern no? Shouldn't they have trampled the Rams? And how is a shot at winning a division title not like a playoff game? I still think Seattle has a shot against Washington, I just dont buy the hype as much as others do I guess.

 

[proninja]

I still think Seattle has a shot against Washington

That's very generous of you

 

[mad sweeney]

I think the Seattle hype is out of control and way overblown. There was an impressive 3 game stretch which included two 50+ point games against 2 bottomfeeders of the league. Ok fine. But no one's mentioned the Rams game last week which was almost like a playoff game for Seattle and also their first relatively tough road game in a while, and they kind of barely squeeked by.

Other than it not being anything like a playoff game because their playoff spot was already assured, it not being a road game and plenty of people having discussed the Rams game, your post is spot on!

Oops, had no idea it was a home game. But that makes their momentum even more of a concern no? Shouldn't they have trampled the Rams? And how is a shot at winning a division title not like a playoff game? I still think Seattle has a shot against Washington, I just dont buy the hype as much as others do I guess.

No. The Rams D is pretty good. They were unbeaten in the division and finally have a good coach and have grown as much as any other team in the league. The days of dominating the Rams are over, for now. Plus there's no way to expect that kind if dominance to continue. I actually prefer it to have come in the regular season and give them a chance to struggle and overcome adversity rather than float into the playoffs with overconfidence of four blowouts in a row. It's not like a playoff game because a) they were playing next week no matter what and b) I can't imagine anyone in the locker believed AZ had even a remote chance of winning. If NE hadn't blown it and the division was really up for grabs, then perhaps that'd be a point.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I think the Seattle hype is out of control and way overblown. There was an impressive 3 game stretch which included two 50+ point games against 2 bottomfeeders of the league. Ok fine. But no one's mentioned the Rams game last week which was almost like a playoff game for Seattle and also their first relatively tough road game in a while, and they kind of barely squeeked by.

A few things:1. They destroyed the 49ers 42-13. It wasn't that close. The 49ers are very good2. If you want to look at "almost like a playoff game" look at the 49er game3. The Rams game was a home game4. "Squeaked"5. I've mentioned the Rams game in here a couple times

I was going to answer with #1 and #4 but I try not to respond to butcher boy when he posts.

 

[drummer]

I think the Seattle hype is out of control and way overblown. There was an impressive 3 game stretch which included two 50+ point games against 2 bottomfeeders of the league. Ok fine. But no one's mentioned the Rams game last week which was almost like a playoff game for Seattle and also their first relatively tough road game in a while, and they kind of barely squeeked by.

A few things:1. They destroyed the 49ers 42-13. It wasn't that close. The 49ers are very good2. If you want to look at "almost like a playoff game" look at the 49er game3. The Rams game was a home game4. "Squeaked"5. I've mentioned the Rams game in here a couple times

I was going to answer with #1 and #4 but I try not to respond to butcher boy when he posts.

He's probably got you on 'ignore'. That's why he hasn't been in the Kaepernick thread for days now.

 

[butcher boy]

1. They destroyed the 49ers 42-13. It wasn't that close. The 49ers are very good

A home game. If this game was in Seattle I wouldn't expect Washington to have much of a chance.

2. If you want to look at "almost like a playoff game" look at the 49er game

See above.

3. The Rams game was a home game

Right, I noted that. It would make me even more concerned about their momentum if I was a fan.

 

[proninja]

I think the Seattle hype is out of control and way overblown. There was an impressive 3 game stretch which included two 50+ point games against 2 bottomfeeders of the league. Ok fine. But no one's mentioned the Rams game last week which was almost like a playoff game for Seattle and also their first relatively tough road game in a while, and they kind of barely squeeked by.

A few things:1. They destroyed the 49ers 42-13. It wasn't that close. The 49ers are very good2. If you want to look at "almost like a playoff game" look at the 49er game3. The Rams game was a home game4. "Squeaked"5. I've mentioned the Rams game in here a couple times

I was going to answer with #1 and #4 but I try not to respond to butcher boy when he posts.

I'm starting to see why, and will put him on the same plan

 

[Hooper31]

Rams' defense is awfully good though. 7th in DVOA. Skins did OK against them on the road.

It would be a shame to underrate what Jeff Fisher is doing there.

Big fan of Fisher. He always fields a competitive team and gets the most out of what he's got to work with.

 

[Riversco]

I think my favorite part of this thread is going to be after the game when one team's fans start bumping old posts saying that they were right/the other fans were wrong when we're looking at both teams having very realistic odds at winning

Or maybe one team really does have a much better change of winning than the other.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

I think my favorite part of this thread is going to be after the game when one team's fans start bumping old posts saying that they were right/the other fans were wrong when we're looking at both teams having very realistic odds at winning

I'm going to bump my post if when I nail the score, that's about it.

 

[proninja]

I think my favorite part of this thread is going to be after the game when one team's fans start bumping old posts saying that they were right/the other fans were wrong when we're looking at both teams having very realistic odds at winning

Or maybe one team really does have a much better change of winning than the other.

Are you disagreeing with me? Because what you typed doesn't contradict what I said.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I think my favorite part of this thread is going to be after the game when one team's fans start bumping old posts saying that they were right/the other fans were wrong when we're looking at both teams having very realistic odds at winning

I'm going to bump my post if when I nail the score, that's about it.

I'll probably just stick to bumping the Russell Wilson bandwagon thread.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Saw this on PFT regarding Griffin's knee:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/02/shanahan-doesnt-sound-too-worried-about-rg3-knee/

Basically, Mike Shannahan is saying that the knee is now 100% but that he looks different because of the bulky brace. He also says that wearing the brace is mostly pyschological, as doctors are not saying that he's likely to reinjure it (I mean, within normal limits...anyone can obviously get an injury any time.)

So my question is:

1. Is Shanny telling the truth or BSing as part of gamesmanship?

2. If he's telling the truth, does the brace come off this Sunday?

It has been 4 weeks since the injury, the amount of time that doctors were saying was needed for a full recovery. On the other hand, Griffin has been practicing and playing, which you would think would slow recovery via pounding.

Thoughts?

I pretty much never believe anything a coach says initially. Sometimes I might start a little bit if things they say turn out to be true over a course of time. But disbelief is instictive and usually right. I trust Shannahan far less than average.

His comments make me nervous because he has such a track record of wanting to "fool opponents" I fear that his comment means that RGIII is not fully healed. Shanny knows though that it will help his team if Seattle believes RGIII to be a threat, thereby opening up running lanes for Morris and passing lanes for the play action strike to Garcon.

The comments are also curious because they seem to contradict what Griffin is saying about his knee and the brace. It sounds like Griffin is saying the medical staff is insisting he continue to wear the brace. He also sounds like he's saying his knee isn't quite 100% yet. Close, but not yet.

 

[Riversco]

If Russell Wilson and RG3 are the franchise quarterbacks they seem to be, this is probably both Pete Carroll's and Shanahan's last coaching gig. Both QBs should play 15+ years. Carroll is already 61. Shanahan is 60. Hard to get fired with a franchise QB.

When Andy Reid had McNabb, he was coach for life of the Eagles. As soon as Reid no longer had a franchise QB, suddenly it was "Sorry Reid, its time to move on. You need a break. The game may have passed you by."

 

[ImTheScientist]

Russell Wilson leads NFL QBs in road QBR since week 8.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

Russell Wilson leads NFL QBs in road QBR since week 8.

I didn't do a split on that, but it makes sense to me. I think I posted Wilson's 2nd half QBR was at like 110 or 112, I looked up Brady and Rodgers for comparison and they were both in the 104-105 range for the season (no significant splits for them before or after their byes).RGIII is no slouch either but his QBR is skewed due to a very high rating in his first game after the bye IIRC when he went 14 for 15, 200 yards passing, 4TD and no INT's

 

[ImTheScientist]

Mayor McGinn bet with @mayorvincegray for @Seahawks vs. @Redskins game. Mayor of losing city must fly victor's flag at their city hall for one day.

 

[biju]

Here's another FieldGulls article on the Seahawks and the pro-style I-formation for those of you interested.

 

[drummer]

Here's another FieldGulls article on the Seahawks and the pro-style I-formation for those of you interested.

I like FieldGulls. Had a sig bet with one of their posters (FearlessFrog) years ago when I used to post over at Niners Nation. I won, but didn't hold him to it. Good sports over there.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Here's another FieldGulls article on the Seahawks and the pro-style I-formation for those of you interested.

I always like the breakdowns & .gif animations they use.

 

[ImTheScientist]

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Landover&state=MD&site=LWX&textField1=38.9361&textField2=-76.9015&e=1

Clear and Dry

 

[Ray Hueston]

Seattle is not nearly as good on the road so I give the edge to the Skins in this game but like almost all playoff games this will come down to whatever team wins the turnover battle. If I'm betting, I think the first half under is the best play. Two rookie QBs in their first playoff games with evenly matched teams, I think both coaches play things really close to the vest in the first half.

 

[ImTheScientist]

John Boyle ‏@johnpboyle

Here's a fun make-you-feel-old stat: Only nine current #Seahawks were alive the last time Seattle won a road playoff game (12/31/83).

 

[biju]

John Boyle ‏@johnpboyleHere's a fun make-you-feel-old stat: Only nine current #Seahawks were alive the last time Seattle won a road playoff game (12/31/83).

Ugh. You need to shut up with that stuff. I remember it too clearly for my own tastes...

 

[Riversco]

Panelist picks for Seahawks vs Redskins:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/picks

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/seahawks-redskins-preview-230747819--nfl.html

7-1 Seahawks right now. The only panelist picking the Redskins is Mike Ditka. He is also the only one picking the Colts over the Ravens.

 

[mad sweeney]

John Boyle ‏@johnpboyleHere's a fun make-you-feel-old stat: Only nine current #Seahawks were alive the last time Seattle won a road playoff game (12/31/83).

Ugh. You need to shut up with that stuff. I remember it too clearly for my own tastes...

I kinda do, but only from reading the paper. That was in the dark days when I couldn't really see any games, having moved to Phoenix in '82 (No Cards, but even then... why?)*. Had to settle for the rare game on national TV (including the MNF Bo-Boz disaster, after which I didn't go to school for a day) for 10 years or so until I could get into sports bars. Had Sunday Ticket this season for the twelfth year and haven't missed a game in all that time. Now I can watch it on my phone....* - I was a Cards fan for a few years when Plummer was there. I was at ASU for part of his tenure as a Sun Devil and got to go to the Rose Bowl (met Plummer and Tilman there briefly), though I had already dropped out and moved to San Diego**. One of the kids in my neighborhood who was my brother's age/friend was on varsity with me at my high school as a sophomore when I was a senior. He was the starting TE for the Devils and after a horrible stint as an undrafted FA in Cincinatti he played for the hometown Cards with Jake for a few years. He "caught" one of the two late TDs against MN that knocked the Vikings from the playoffs in week 17 and left them all shellshocked. Would've been overturned in today's NFL, but screw it. Pro tip for big guys that aren't fast... learn to long snap. ** - That was awesome since I got to see them live once a year until they realigned. I think they've only played down there once since.****** - I'm in LA now so I could go see them when they come or more likely, catch a train downtown for when the Chargers move up here and risk my life going to a game here.******** - So many people from so many places live here I think it'll take 5 or 6 years to develop a home base. Until then it'll be more than 50% opposing team fans at the games, imo. ********** - Especially with so many Raiders fans still here. That's it. I got nothing else.

 

[mad sweeney]

Panelist picks for Seahawks vs Redskins:http://espn.go.com/nfl/pickshttp://sports.yahoo.com/news/seahawks-redskins-preview-230747819--nfl.html7-1 Seahawks right now. The only panelist picking the Redskins is Mike Ditka. He is also the only one picking the Colts over the Ravens.

I seem to remember him being pretty down on the Seahawks all year long. I didn't always watch their pregame, though I didn't watch NFLN as I want to kick Eisen in the face every time he speaks, but I remember a couple of times when he picked against them for what seemed to be very abrupt reasons.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Kia Forbath has the lowest touchback % of any playoff kicker at 24% @Leon_Washington might be a game changer.

....not that it matters because Leon will take it out of the endzone as long as he can field the ball.

 

[fatness]

In analysis of your own team what do they do that pisses you off?

Redskins commit too many penalties, almost every game.Redskin coaches have trouble getting players on the field and plays called in a reasonable amount of time, usually burning 2 needless timeouts per half.

This one they finally fixed --- letting Brandon Banks return kicks when all he did was run sideways and put the ball on the ground more than any player in the league.

This one they finally fixed --- all-out rushes leaving no safety help for CB's and getting burned deep repeatedly. I can't be the only one of us who still wakes up screaming thinking of the Victor Cruz play.

Haslett looks like a ferret.

Interior offensive line still allows too much pressure directly up the middle on several plays per game. Griffin's fast, but he can't run backwards as fast an oncoming linemen can run forward right at him.

Josh Morgan is never uncovered. He makes tough catches in traffic, I have to give him that. But he's never open. I swear that when he gets open he must grab a defender and pulls him over. He usually looks like one of a set of Siamese twins where they each wear different uniforms.

Home fans still aren't loud enough. You still can't see the broadcast cameras shaking (although I did see that once last game, so it's improving).

Morgan was one of those FA's that 49er fans thought a "must re-sign". I wasn't one of them.

On the plus side for Morgan: he's made quite a number of contested catches to keep drives alive. And even better, he blocks. All the Redskin WR's block well, on both running plays and pass plays. It's one of the reasons their offense's yards/play is so high --- a lot of plays have gone further due to WR blocking downfield.

Case in point --- the game where Griffin was headed for the end zone and fumbled the ball up in the air. It went right to Morgan, who scored. There's no controlling how a ball squirts out but Morgan was right where he was supposed to be, running downfield blocking for Griffin. I've seen about 9-10 Redskin games this year and no opponents WR's blocked as well as the Skins WR's. Charley Taylor would be proud.

 

[fatness]

I think my favorite part of this thread is going to be after the game when one team's fans start bumping old posts saying that they were right/the other fans were wrong when we're looking at both teams having very realistic odds at winning

If I'm not mistaken the winner of this game plays the Falcons next. I'll be rooting for either one against the Falcons, and I think both the Skins and the Seahawks have a decent chance of beating them.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Griffin has fumbled 12 times this season. Almost once a game. Where are these coming? Sacks? Designed Runs?

 

[Ray Hueston]

Kia Forbath has the lowest touchback % of any playoff kicker at 24% @Leon_Washington might be a game changer. ....not that it matters because Leon will take it out of the endzone as long as he can field the ball.

You might want to pace yourself guy, it is only Wednesday

 

[fatness]

Both the Redskins and Seattle have taken the ball away on fumbles or interceptions 31 times.

Seattle has given the ball away by fumble or interception 18 times. Russell Wilson is responsible for 13 of those giveaways.

Washington has given the ball away by fumble or interception 14 times, 3 of which were Kirk Cousins interceptions and 1 of which was a Brandon Banks fumble. Cousins and Banks won't be playing.

 

[5 digit know nothing]

Both the Redskins and Seattle have taken the ball away on fumbles or interceptions 31 times. Seattle has given the ball away by fumble or interception 18 times. Russell Wilson is responsible for 11 of those giveaways.Washington has given the ball away by fumble or interception 14 times, 3 of which were Kirk Cousins interceptions and 1 of which was a Brandon Banks fumble. Cousins and Banks won't be playing.

Now factor in each of their opponent's propensity for give-away/take-away