Shanahan - Forever the Excuse Maker (1 Viewer)

[kremenull]

After a string of questionable character signings, T.Henry (who nobody wanted to touch), Marcus Thomas, Clarett, Jarvis Moss, Saurbraun (a freaking outlaw punter, ridiculous).........it's easy to see why this org makes these decisions, start with the HC....Shanny absolves Marshall of responsibility for his actions........

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_9845139?source=rss

STATELINE, Nev. — As the list of problems continues to pile up for Brandon Marshall, his coach said he hasn't lost faith in the troubled Broncos receiver's potential to turn things around.

Mike Shanahan gave his support to his third-year star receiver and didn't give any indication he would suspend him as Shana-han prepared to play in a celebrity golf tournament near Lake Tahoe.

"I can't go into great detail, for obvious reasons, but Brandon has a good upside and he's a real good kid," said Shanahan, who's entered in this weekend's American Century Championship at Edgewood Tahoe Golf Course. "I feel very good where Brandon's at. I think he'll be fine."

Marshall's rap sheet includes arrests for domestic violence, driving

Brandon Marshall

* Read an incident report from the Atlanta Police Department from March 18, 2007.

* Read an incident report from the Atlanta Police Department from June 8, 2007 at 6:41 a.m.

* Read an incident report from the Atlanta Police Department from June 8, 2007 at 6:53 a.m.

* Read an incident report from the Atlanta Police Department from on June 30, 2007.

* Read an incident report from the Atlanta Police Department from March 5, 2008.

* Read a Fulton County incident report from March 4, 2008, detailing a fight that led to Brandon Marshall's injury.

* Read an arrest warrant for Marshall on a charge of battery after a domestic dispute.

* Compare competing police reports from a 2006 domestic violence case, from Brandon Marshall and Rasheedah Watley.

* Read a letter from a former lawyer for Rasheedah Watley seeking compensation for an attack by Marshall.

* Read a police report detailing Rasheedah Watley's statement of her and Marshall's violent history.

* Read the NFL's "Personal Conduct Policy" for players, coaches and employees

* Analyze Brandon Marshall's career stats

under the influence and most recently being cited in Denver for an illegal lane change, failure to carry a license and proof of insurance.

Shanahan said Marshall's biggest problem has been with a female companion.

"He's had problems with one person over and over again, and hopefully he's smart enough to stay away from her," Shanahan said.

Marshall could be suspended under the NFL's personal conduct policy because of his multiple arrests from March 2007 into 2008 and other run-ins with the law since he was drafted by the Broncos in 2006.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello has confirmed the NFL is investigating Marshall but Thursday he said no decision has been made.

Marshall delivered a big season last year, catching 102 passes for 1,325 yards and seven touchdowns.

Jay Cutler, the Broncos' third-year quarterback, is concerned about the recurring trouble Marshall is in and whether he'll have his go-to receiver once the season starts.

"Once or twice — you could live with that," Cutler told Denver television station KUSA-9 this week. "You say people make mistakes, but I mean it's been three, four, five times. I don't know how many times he's at right now, so I don't know what's gonna happen. I don't know if Mike's going to do anything. I don't know if the league's going to do anything. I just hope he gets his act together, cause it'd be a shame for him to waste all that talent."

Marshall, a fourth-round draft choice from Central Florida in 2006, was arrested March 6 on a misdemeanor battery charge in Atlanta. No formal charges have been filed in that case. Marshall was arrested Oct. 22, 2007, in Denver for driving under the influence. His trial is set for Sept. 16 — two days after the Broncos play their second game of the season.

Seven months earlier, Marshall was arrested in Highlands Ranch on suspicion of domestic violence. The domestic violence charge was dismissed two months later when Marshall completed an anger management counseling course.

Despite the troubles, Cutler said he enjoys the relationship he has with Marshall.

"Brandon's a great guy," Cutler said. "I'd do anything for him, but he's running into some trouble in the past, and hopefully we'll move past this and get things straightened out and have a good season."

Cutler has been dealing with his own adversity in the offseason. After dropping 30 pounds from training camp to the end of the 2007 season, Cutler was diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes. Cutler has regained the weight, and Shanahan said he is encouraged that the quarterback will be ready for the season opener Sept. 8 against the Raiders.

"He is a very disciplined guy, so he'll do what he needs to do to play," Shanahan said.

It's a key season in Cutler's progression as an NFL quarterback, Shanahan said.

"I think every quarterback has that pressure going into his third year. You feel comfortable with the offense, the system, the players," he said. "The pressure on any quarterback or head coach that third year is you have to perform, you have to play well."

Despite the noisy offseason, Shana-han said he is upbeat as the start training camp on July 25 approaches.

"I feel very good about our football team," Shanahan said. "You have to get a little lucky. We've got some depth, and I feel very good where we are at."

 

[Scooby1974]

I don't think Shanny approves of Marshall's behavior, nor should he. The kid is in trouble, he's messed up, but "shooting the wounded" isn't a very good strategy here in dealing with a young man that has lost his way. Shanny's showing of "support" shouldn't be interpreted as him supporting what Marshall has been doing. It is good to see Cutler stepping up and semi-calling out Marshall, demonstrating leadership is key. Hopefully Marshall sees this as people caring for him as somebody needs to grab this kid by the throat and help save his life before he ruins it. Marshall is obviously functioning at the level of a spoiled 13 year old and headed for disaster.

 

[obxlegends]

Shanny isn't going to kill Marshall with criticism here. It's really not in the teams best interest to do so. The hope is that Marshall rights the ship and gets over these past few months of immaturity that have plagued him. It's a smart thing for Shanny, as coach, to show support for Marshall heading into training camp. You want his head screwed on right, especially considering the WR's surrounding him.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Shanahan said Marshall's biggest problem has been with a female companion."He's had problems with one person over and over again, and hopefully he's smart enough to stay away from her," Shanahan said.

Maybe she's the one who needs to stay away from him ? This guy is starting to look like Chris Henry Jr more and more.And that blows because I own him on a couple of my teams, million dollar talent, 10 cent brain..

 

[IndyHavoc]

No idea what the OP is talking about here. Shanny isn't making excuses at all. Acknowledge that he's running into some trouble; Check. Show some support for one of your players to get things resolved and avoid future trouble; Check. Hope to get him into camp and put all this behind him and have a good season; Check.

Yeah, that type of behavior should be condemned. Darn enablers!!

 

[munchkin]

Shanny isn't going to kill Marshall with criticism here. It's really not in the teams best interest to do so. The hope is that Marshall rights the ship and gets over these past few months of immaturity that have plagued him. It's a smart thing for Shanny, as coach, to show support for Marshall heading into training camp. You want his head screwed on right, especially considering the WR's surrounding him.

If Shanahan doesn't put Marshall's *#&^% in a vice, privately at least, he is doing the team a great dis-service. Shanahan doesn't need to publicly whip Marshall at the post but clearly the approach he used behind the scenes with Henry didn't work. He better take a different tact with Marshall or the Bronco's will end up without their best receiver. Shanahan, and the Bronco's, can ill afford to continue to lose their best skill players.

 

[obxlegends]

Shanny isn't going to kill Marshall with criticism here. It's really not in the teams best interest to do so. The hope is that Marshall rights the ship and gets over these past few months of immaturity that have plagued him. It's a smart thing for Shanny, as coach, to show support for Marshall heading into training camp. You want his head screwed on right, especially considering the WR's surrounding him.

If Shanahan doesn't put Marshall's *#&^% in a vice, privately at least, he is doing the team a great dis-service. Shanahan doesn't need to publicly whip Marshall at the post but clearly the approach he used behind the scenes with Henry didn't work. He better take a different tact with Marshall or the Bronco's will end up without their best receiver. Shanahan, and the Bronco's, can ill afford to continue to lose their best skill players.

I agree with mostly everything you said. You have your public face with Marshall then you have your "in your face" private stance with him. I have no doubt this was done with Marshall and Henry.

The part where I differ slightly is the implication that somehow Shanahan didn't handle the Henry situation correct because it turned sour. I'm pretty sure he did all he could do, in the end though it's up to the Henry's and Marshall's of the world to man up. You can only lead a Horse (or NFL player) to water...

 

[mozzy84]

as a marshall owner I agree with him

 

[tombonneau]

No idea what the OP is talking about here. Shanny isn't making excuses at all. Acknowledge that he's running into some trouble; Check. Show some support for one of your players to get things resolved and avoid future trouble; Check. Hope to get him into camp and put all this behind him and have a good season; Check.Yeah, that type of behavior should be condemned. Darn enablers!!

Really? All I got from that article is: "It's all some chick's fault."

 

[Ministry of Pain]

"Some people say that there's a woman to blame, but I know...it's my own dang fault"

-Jimmy Buffett

 

[foxco]

Isn't the original poster a rabid Raider fan? Seems strange he'd be yelling about other teams bringing in troublesome players when his organization has made it into a science.

 

[Scooby1974]

Isn't the original poster a rabid Raider fan? Seems strange he'd be yelling about other teams bringing in troublesome players when his organization has made it into a science.

Perhaps it is some sort of copy write infringement?

 

[SSOG]

After a string of questionable character signings, T.Henry (who nobody wanted to touch)

That's about where I stopped paying attention.

 

[kremenull]

No idea what the OP is talking about here. Shanny isn't making excuses at all. Acknowledge that he's running into some trouble; Check. Show some support for one of your players to get things resolved and avoid future trouble; Check. Hope to get him into camp and put all this behind him and have a good season; Check.Yeah, that type of behavior should be condemned. Darn enablers!!

No idea??.....Well, anyone who tries to blame the ex-girlfriend of a player for his troubles is making excuses for the kid. Every person is responsible for their own actions.....nobody else can make you do anything.....And, in case you overlooked it, the list of questionable characters I mentioned happen to be on the same team and acquired by the same person (Shannahan, this guy has no integrity......NONE)......coincidence???And I totally disagree, Marshall doesn't need any kid gloves, he needs tough love. The HC should put him on notice, even publicly, that this behavior will not be tolerated and he better clean up his act immediately.....but I guess in Denver under Shanny, they don't care what you do off the field, as long as you underperform on the field and and not win a playoff game since 1998 or so, and we'll blame the Defensive Coordinators and fire 'em each year, who were hired by whom I wonder???..... That's right, good 'ol Shanny........You reap what you sew......keep up the great scouting DEN down at the local jails........This guy (Shanny) should be on the hot seat....about as overrated as they come as not only a personnel person, but even as a HC......Has this guy ever won a meaningful game without the Elway/Terrell Davis combo????

 

[kremenull]

Isn't the original poster a rabid Raider fan? Seems strange he'd be yelling about other teams bringing in troublesome players when his organization has made it into a science.

That's right, and I can't wait until the Monday nite opener when the Donks get smoked like Big Brown in the Belmot........but it's not strange at all.....check the current millenium 'foxco'....not the 70's and 80's.......What troubled players? Gannon? Rice? Sapp? Burgess? Jordan? Moss? I don't recall any of these guys being in police blotters or in hot water with the league office recently.....

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

What's Shanny supposed to do, say how horrible of a guy Marshall is and leave him under the bus? He knows that's what we'll do and the rest of the media so for now, he's staying in Marshall's corner where he should be.

As far as Marshall is concerned, send him to Dallas to be there No. 2 since he has a character issue. We'll be glad to take him.

In all seriousness, I don't know much about his private life but this could be another classic case of a young guy with too much time and money on his hands in the off season. In the past couple of years, I can't remember the more young athletes getting themselves into trouble with the law whether it's DUI or similar types of run ins with the law.

 

[moleculo]

No idea what the OP is talking about here. Shanny isn't making excuses at all. Acknowledge that he's running into some trouble; Check. Show some support for one of your players to get things resolved and avoid future trouble; Check. Hope to get him into camp and put all this behind him and have a good season; Check.

Yeah, that type of behavior should be condemned. Darn enablers!!

No idea??.....Well, anyone who tries to blame the ex-girlfriend of a player for his troubles is making excuses for the kid. Every person is responsible for their own actions.....nobody else can make you do anything.....And, in case you overlooked it, the list of questionable characters I mentioned happen to be on the same team and acquired by the same person (Shannahan, this guy has no integrity......NONE)......coincidence???And I totally disagree, Marshall doesn't need any kid gloves, he needs tough love. The HC should put him on notice, even publicly, that this behavior will not be tolerated and he better clean up his act immediately.....but I guess in Denver under Shanny, they don't care what you do off the field, as long as you underperform on the field and and not win a playoff game since 1998 or so, and we'll blame the Defensive Coordinators and fire 'em each year, who were hired by whom I wonder???..... That's right, good 'ol Shanny........You reap what you sew......keep up the great scouting DEN down at the local jails........

This guy (Shanny) should be on the hot seat....about as overrated as they come as not only a personnel person, but even as a HC......Has this guy ever won a meaningful game without the Elway/Terrell Davis combo????

huh?

 

[moleculo]

for the record:

T.Henry - waived after one season.

Marcus Thomas - cleared of all charges in off-season incident - no issues since college.

Clarett - never even so much as played in a single pre-season game.

Jarvis Moss - where is the issue here?

Saurbraun - I'll admit - Sauerbrun got one too many chances for my liking, but was eventually waived.

Shanahan is a man who is willing to give a second chance - that much is sure. How ever, please do not make the mistake of assuming he allows trouble players to remain indefinitely.

 

[foxco]

Isn't the original poster a rabid Raider fan? Seems strange he'd be yelling about other teams bringing in troublesome players when his organization has made it into a science.

That's right, and I can't wait until the Monday nite opener when the Donks get smoked like Big Brown in the Belmot........but it's not strange at all.....check the current millenium 'foxco'....not the 70's and 80's.......What troubled players? Gannon? Rice? Sapp? Burgess? Jordan? Moss? I don't recall any of these guys being in police blotters or in hot water with the league office recently.....

Javon Walker seems like a model citizen.

 

[kremenull]

for the record:T.Henry - waived after one season.Marcus Thomas - cleared of all charges in off-season incident - no issues since college.Clarett - never even so much as played in a single pre-season game.Jarvis Moss - where is the issue here?Saurbraun - I'll admit - Sauerbrun got one too many chances for my liking, but was eventually waived.Shanahan is a man who is willing to give a second chance - that much is sure. How ever, please do not make the mistake of assuming he allows trouble players to remain indefinitely.

This is the point....why did you even sign Henry or draft Clarett in the first place? Just a matter of time for Thomas...Anybody who gets kicked off a Florida college team must be a real boy scout, I guess......

 

[SSOG]

Isn't the original poster a rabid Raider fan? Seems strange he'd be yelling about other teams bringing in troublesome players when his organization has made it into a science.

That's right, and I can't wait until the Monday nite opener when the Donks get smoked like Big Brown in the Belmot........but it's not strange at all.....check the current millenium 'foxco'....not the 70's and 80's.......What troubled players? Gannon? Rice? Sapp? Burgess? Jordan? Moss? I don't recall any of these guys being in police blotters or in hot water with the league office recently.....

Bill Romonowski down? Javon Walker? These are both guys that got waived by the very Denver team you're saying will give anyone a chance, and they both signed in Oakland for big bucks. Romo wound up doing more damage to his teammates than his opponents, and then gave a tell-all interview about how he took steroids, but he only started when he went to Oakland. Remember that Randy Moss guy? You know, the guy who ran over a traffic cop and admitted to smoking pot while in the league. allegedly smoking pot, by the way, was what got Marcus Thomas in trouble at UF, and what got Henry suspended- yet somehow that's worse than a receiver who FREELY AND OPENLY ADMITTED to smoking pot?All this talk of pot reminds me of this saying about a kettle...

 

[kremenull]

Isn't the original poster a rabid Raider fan? Seems strange he'd be yelling about other teams bringing in troublesome players when his organization has made it into a science.

That's right, and I can't wait until the Monday nite opener when the Donks get smoked like Big Brown in the Belmot........but it's not strange at all.....check the current millenium 'foxco'....not the 70's and 80's.......What troubled players? Gannon? Rice? Sapp? Burgess? Jordan? Moss? I don't recall any of these guys being in police blotters or in hot water with the league office recently.....

Bill Romonowski down? Javon Walker? These are both guys that got waived by the very Denver team you're saying will give anyone a chance, and they both signed in Oakland for big bucks. Romo wound up doing more damage to his teammates than his opponents, and then gave a tell-all interview about how he took steroids, but he only started when he went to Oakland. Remember that Randy Moss guy? You know, the guy who ran over a traffic cop and admitted to smoking pot while in the league. allegedly smoking pot, by the way, was what got Marcus Thomas in trouble at UF, and what got Henry suspended- yet somehow that's worse than a receiver who FREELY AND OPENLY ADMITTED to smoking pot?All this talk of pot reminds me of this saying about a kettle...

Sure, Romanowski. I'll give you that one. I never liked the dude nor the signing. Every team gets a mulligan, maybe even two. But when you become Bengal-ish, like Denver has recently, that's when you have to stop and re-evaluate the kind of guys you bring in. But not Denver, they still went out of their way to draft Thomas just last year while signing T.Henry, every young woman's "baby-Daddy", to a lucrative deal. What about Javon Walker's character is questionable. Has he ever been in trouble with the law before? Or the NFL? And just because these players were waived by Denver doesn't mean crap, you had no choice. Romanowski will never be thought of as a Raider. He played many more seasons with Denver than Oak. And every team in the league will sign Randy Moss. So don't even put him in this discussion of bad character guys like Henry(poster boy for vasectomy), M.Thomas (couldn't even remain on Hooligan U's football team, great guy), Clarett (where do I start, AK-47 totin' stick-up kid will do.....nice player to move up in the draft for), and wanna-be thug in the making Marshall the 'Cristal' bottle sprayer........prompting a murder of a teammate. At least Walker was by himself when he screwed up in Vegas, and didn't drag an innocent teammate into his foolishness....How many incidents does this make for this guy (Marshall)? He'll be catching up to Pacman in a short while. Oh, but it's his renegade girlfriend's fault, my bad......Let him go find a good, whole-some, southern belle to choke and slap around........

 

[foxco]

Isn't the original poster a rabid Raider fan? Seems strange he'd be yelling about other teams bringing in troublesome players when his organization has made it into a science.

That's right, and I can't wait until the Monday nite opener when the Donks get smoked like Big Brown in the Belmot........but it's not strange at all.....check the current millenium 'foxco'....not the 70's and 80's.......What troubled players? Gannon? Rice? Sapp? Burgess? Jordan? Moss? I don't recall any of these guys being in police blotters or in hot water with the league office recently.....

Bill Romonowski down? Javon Walker? These are both guys that got waived by the very Denver team you're saying will give anyone a chance, and they both signed in Oakland for big bucks. Romo wound up doing more damage to his teammates than his opponents, and then gave a tell-all interview about how he took steroids, but he only started when he went to Oakland. Remember that Randy Moss guy? You know, the guy who ran over a traffic cop and admitted to smoking pot while in the league. allegedly smoking pot, by the way, was what got Marcus Thomas in trouble at UF, and what got Henry suspended- yet somehow that's worse than a receiver who FREELY AND OPENLY ADMITTED to smoking pot?All this talk of pot reminds me of this saying about a kettle...

Sure, Romanowski. I'll give you that one. I never liked the dude nor the signing. Every team gets a mulligan, maybe even two. But when you become Bengal-ish, like Denver has recently, that's when you have to stop and re-evaluate the kind of guys you bring in. But not Denver, they still went out of their way to draft Thomas just last year while signing T.Henry, every young woman's "baby-Daddy", to a lucrative deal. What about Javon Walker's character is questionable. Has he ever been in trouble with the law before? Or the NFL? And just because these players were waived by Denver doesn't mean crap, you had no choice. Romanowski will never be thought of as a Raider. He played many more seasons with Denver than Oak. And every team in the league will sign Randy Moss. So don't even put him in this discussion of bad character guys like Henry(poster boy for vasectomy), M.Thomas (couldn't even remain on Hooligan U's football team, great guy), Clarett (where do I start, AK-47 totin' stick-up kid will do.....nice player to move up in the draft for), and wanna-be thug in the making Marshall the 'Cristal' bottle sprayer........prompting a murder of a teammate. At least Walker was by himself when he screwed up in Vegas, and didn't drag an innocent teammate into his foolishness....How many incidents does this make for this guy (Marshall)? He'll be catching up to Pacman in a short while. Oh, but it's his renegade girlfriend's fault, my bad......Let him go find a good, whole-some, southern belle to choke and slap around........

I find irony in the fact that your name is "kremenull" but are lamenting the Broncos' signing "criminals."

 

[moleculo]

Isn't the original poster a rabid Raider fan? Seems strange he'd be yelling about other teams bringing in troublesome players when his organization has made it into a science.

That's right, and I can't wait until the Monday nite opener when the Donks get smoked like Big Brown in the Belmot........but it's not strange at all.....check the current millenium 'foxco'....not the 70's and 80's.......What troubled players? Gannon? Rice? Sapp? Burgess? Jordan? Moss? I don't recall any of these guys being in police blotters or in hot water with the league office recently.....

Bill Romonowski down? Javon Walker? These are both guys that got waived by the very Denver team you're saying will give anyone a chance, and they both signed in Oakland for big bucks. Romo wound up doing more damage to his teammates than his opponents, and then gave a tell-all interview about how he took steroids, but he only started when he went to Oakland. Remember that Randy Moss guy? You know, the guy who ran over a traffic cop and admitted to smoking pot while in the league. allegedly smoking pot, by the way, was what got Marcus Thomas in trouble at UF, and what got Henry suspended- yet somehow that's worse than a receiver who FREELY AND OPENLY ADMITTED to smoking pot?All this talk of pot reminds me of this saying about a kettle...

Sure, Romanowski. I'll give you that one. I never liked the dude nor the signing. Every team gets a mulligan, maybe even two. But when you become Bengal-ish, like Denver has recently, that's when you have to stop and re-evaluate the kind of guys you bring in. But not Denver, they still went out of their way to draft Thomas just last year while signing T.Henry, every young woman's "baby-Daddy", to a lucrative deal. What about Javon Walker's character is questionable. Has he ever been in trouble with the law before? Or the NFL? And just because these players were waived by Denver doesn't mean crap, you had no choice. Romanowski will never be thought of as a Raider. He played many more seasons with Denver than Oak. And every team in the league will sign Randy Moss. So don't even put him in this discussion of bad character guys like Henry(poster boy for vasectomy), M.Thomas (couldn't even remain on Hooligan U's football team, great guy), Clarett (where do I start, AK-47 totin' stick-up kid will do.....nice player to move up in the draft for), and wanna-be thug in the making Marshall the 'Cristal' bottle sprayer........prompting a murder of a teammate. At least Walker was by himself when he screwed up in Vegas, and didn't drag an innocent teammate into his foolishness....How many incidents does this make for this guy (Marshall)? He'll be catching up to Pacman in a short while. Oh, but it's his renegade girlfriend's fault, my bad......Let him go find a good, whole-some, southern belle to choke and slap around........

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

With 53 semi-literate millionaires, many in their early twenties on the roster most teams have some disgraceful characters. The mere presence of such indicts no team, it comes with the territory. What does not come with the territory, necessarily, is a coach who will use his bully pulpit to excoriate a citizen's reputation to the benefit of his player, who for all he knows is the bad guy. Shanny has questioned Marshall's girlfriend's character without any basis of knowledge other than Marshall's say so. He did the same thing when Plummer ramed that guy in traffic not so long ago, and he has done it other times. I fear being wronged by a Bronco player because I know the next day Shanny will be all over the media trashing my reputation.

 

[SSOG]

Sure, Romanowski. I'll give you that one. I never liked the dude nor the signing. Every team gets a mulligan, maybe even two. But when you become Bengal-ish, like Denver has recently, that's when you have to stop and re-evaluate the kind of guys you bring in. But not Denver, they still went out of their way to draft Thomas just last year while signing T.Henry, every young woman's "baby-Daddy", to a lucrative deal. What about Javon Walker's character is questionable. Has he ever been in trouble with the law before? Or the NFL? And just because these players were waived by Denver doesn't mean crap, you had no choice. Romanowski will never be thought of as a Raider. He played many more seasons with Denver than Oak. And every team in the league will sign Randy Moss. So don't even put him in this discussion of bad character guys like Henry(poster boy for vasectomy), M.Thomas (couldn't even remain on Hooligan U's football team, great guy), Clarett (where do I start, AK-47 totin' stick-up kid will do.....nice player to move up in the draft for), and wanna-be thug in the making Marshall the 'Cristal' bottle sprayer........prompting a murder of a teammate. At least Walker was by himself when he screwed up in Vegas, and didn't drag an innocent teammate into his foolishness....How many incidents does this make for this guy (Marshall)? He'll be catching up to Pacman in a short while. Oh, but it's his renegade girlfriend's fault, my bad......Let him go find a good, whole-some, southern belle to choke and slap around........

Okay, so let me get this straight. Brandon Marshall is a bad character because he sprayed Cristal. Javon Walker sprayed Cristal in Vegas, but he's not a bad character because the people he pissed off just punched him in the face rather than shooting at him in the car. Randy Moss is talented, so the fact that he's a bad character is wholly irrelevant, but Marcus Thomas' bad character is not irrelevant despite the fact that it was widely agreed that he was a first-round talent. Romo might have done steroids in Oakland but not Denver, and he might have broken a teammate's eye-socket in Oakland and not Denver, and he might have intentionally tried to dislocate Shannon Sharpe's shoulder in Oakland and not Denver, but he'll be remembered as a Bronco, so he counts against their imaginary rap sheet. Also, Denver was foolish to move up in the draft for Clarett, who they selected with an untradeable compensatory draft pick. Have I missed anything, or does that about sum it up?Oh yeah, one last thing- some Florida colleges are known for legal troubles. There's FSU (aka "Free Shoes University"), who has had problems ranging from their starting QB declaring himself Jesus to kleptomaniacal receivers to the free shoes scandal. There's UM aka "The U", which was the perpetrator of the brawl heard round the world and produced guys like Sean Taylor and Ray Lewis. You want to question their character, be my guest. But the University of Florida? They're as clean as any other major college program. You get the token run-ins with the law that arise when 18-year olds arrive to campus thinking they are entitled to do anything they want because they're on the football team, but no pattern of thuggery. The offseason when Marcus Thomas got suspended didn't have a single Gator showing up on the police blotter, and Marcus Thomas's suspension was for testing positive for Marijuana (something even CALVIN JOHNSON has admitted to trying). Just something to keep in mind before throwing around phrases like "hooligan U".

With 53 semi-literate millionaires, many in their early twenties on the roster most teams have some disgraceful characters. The mere presence of such indicts no team, it comes with the territory. What does not come with the territory, necessarily, is a coach who will use his bully pulpit to excoriate a citizen's reputation to the benefit of his player, who for all he knows is the bad guy. Shanny has questioned Marshall's girlfriend's character without any basis of knowledge other than Marshall's say so. He did the same thing when Plummer ramed that guy in traffic not so long ago, and he has done it other times. I fear being wronged by a Bronco player because I know the next day Shanny will be all over the media trashing my reputation.

I completely agree with this. Shanahan is a hell of a coach, and I'm really really glad he's going to be guiding my team for the forseeable future, but sometimes he just strikes me as a total tool. If Shanahan were given his way, he'd probably just do away with the legal system entirely, because apparently he is wholly capable of deciding guilt and innocence all by his lonesome.

 

[fatness]

The HC should put him on notice, even publicly, that this behavior will not be tolerated and he better clean up his act immediately.....but I guess in Denver under Shanny, they don't care what you do off the field, as long as you underperform on the field and and not win a playoff game since 1998 or so, and we'll blame the Defensive Coordinators and fire 'em each year, who were hired by whom I wonder???

This is silly stuff. Head coaches are there to get the best performances possible out of their players, resulting in the most wins on the field. Blasting their players publicly seldom if ever helps coaches accomplish this. By the time a head coach resorts to blasting a player publicly, that head coach is usually feeling his job is threatened and is looking for someone to blame. It makes little practical sense otherwise.