Shark Pool Board Mock Draft - Version 1 (1 Viewer)

[yellowdog]

I'm out until later this evening, just in case we get to 1.17.

 

[Donnybrook]

If Kalil goes before the Vikings pick, I think it would be wise to consider another trade down if possible. The possible upside of having so many positional holes to fill.

 

[Assani Fisher]

A few of my philosophies:

1. When your team sucks, you need to get great value. Teams that are contending can draft for need. Tampa definitely sucks.

2. Running back is very low on the totem pole of important real-life NFL positions.

3. Its a game of cat and mouse. Theres probably not a ton of trade interest in this pick because teams are assuming that I will reach to fill a need. Once I demonstrate that not to be true, teams will make offers imo.

I take the clear BPA and the SOD:

OT Matt Kalil, OT

From drafttek:

possibly the best tackle prospect since Orlando Pace in the 1997 NFL draft.

From WalterFootball:

Kalil is the best non-quarterback in this class

From Sports Illustrated:

Kalil didn't allow a sack at USC last season

From behindthesteelcurtain:

Matt Kalil is the only tackle in the draft without any flaws to his game

From fftoolbox:

The number one offensive line prospect is definitely Kalil

Thinking back to the 2011 NFL Draft and OT Tyron Smith, the reason he played right tackle for Southern Cal is because of this guy right here: Matt Kalil.

From Todd McShay:

Kalil is clearly the top offensive lineman in the board

From Mel Kiper:

Kalil is as good a prospect as we've seen at the left tackle position in a few years.

Worst case scenario: I don't get what I think is fair trade offer and have to play Penn or Kalil at RT.

Best case scenario: Vikings now panic and offer the farm for Kalil.

Most likely scenario: I can move Kalil to a team like the Dolphins, Panthers, Cardinals, Bears, etc. and still get a player that I might've considered taking at #5.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If Kalil goes before the Vikings pick, I think it would be wise to consider another trade down if possible. The possible upside of having so many positional holes to fill.

Well sure. We're open for business in that case.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Isn't Kalil supposed to be a potential stud LT of the future? Why would you ever pick a RB with the 5th overall if there's a LT there who is head and shoulders above all other tackles in the draft.I'll be pretty shocked if Kalil drops to 6th overall in the real draft.

Because the idea is to make your team better.

Kalil won't make the Bucs better?

Not as much as Richardson would, no.

And you know that for a fact, how?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I strenuously object. But whatever.

 

[5Rings]

Great pick and write up, Icy Pots

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Not as much as Richardson would, no.

And you know that for a fact, how?

Do I really have to say that it's my opinion?

 

[RBM]

I was thinking Richardson.

They have needs elsewhere and already have a pretty good young RB in Blount.

CB Dre Kirkpatrick is the pick they need.

Agree. Barber is old and Talib is nutty

 

[Assani Fisher]

This is a similar (note I said similar, not same) situation as when the Cardinals took Levi Brown over Adrian Peterson. They needed a left tackle and had a pretty good RB in Edgerrin James that they'd just signed. That didn't work out so well.

This is absurdly results oriented thinking. "Remember when the Raiders needed a QB and Jamarcus Russell graded out #1. That didn't work out too well and is a similar situation to where the Colts find themselves."

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The Bucs re-signed LT Donald Penn to a six-year, $43 million contract just last summer and he had a better season this year than he did the year before.

They would bypass Kalil in this scenario no matter how much "value" there is in the proposition.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I think TB made the right choice here. BPA and it happens to be at one of the most important positions in the NFL.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think TB made the right choice here. BPA and it happens to be at one of the most important positions in the NFL.

And one where they already have a good player that they paid a ton of money to.By this line of thinking, the Browns should have taken Kalil and moved Thomas to the right side because it was a good draft deal.

 

[Assani Fisher]

feel free to PM any offers, will consider them all and will be very likely to take the best offer

 

[Sidewinder16]

Oh, what the heck... Let's see what happens here.

Trade:

The Washington Redskins trade this year's #6 pick and next year's 1st rounder to the Vikings for the #3 pick.

Wow. Is that all you really think it will take for the 'Skins to move up? If so, I hope to Gibbs this happens.

 

[Assani Fisher]

I think TB made the right choice here. BPA and it happens to be at one of the most important positions in the NFL.

And one where they already have a good player that they paid a ton of money to.By this line of thinking, the Browns should have taken Kalil and moved Thomas to the right side because it was a good draft deal.

wait until the draft is over and then tell me what you think, Kalil is on the trading block

 

[Andy Dufresne]

1.06 - Reily Reiff, OT - Iowa

I'd still rather have Reiff and an extra first than Kalil alone.

 

[RBM]

The Bucs re-signed LT Donald Penn to a six-year, $43 million contract just last summer and he had a better season this year than he did the year before.They would bypass Kalil in this scenario no matter how much "value" there is in the proposition.

Agree with this. Bucs wouldnt take Kalil. I could see Richardson before him but the pick would be the corner.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I think TB made the right choice here. BPA and it happens to be at one of the most important positions in the NFL.

And one where they already have a good player that they paid a ton of money to.By this line of thinking, the Browns should have taken Kalil and moved Thomas to the right side because it was a good draft deal.

There are surprises in the draft every year. We may think this isn't a good "fit" based on needs but teams don't typically think that way. At the top of the draft you want the best possible talent for your dollar. You can argue that it would be Richardson but if you look at where teams are headed in 2012, you realize how low of value RB's really are.Detroit took Fairley last year even though they had Suh. NFL teams need 2 OT's on the field at the same time.

 

[RBM]

I think TB made the right choice here. BPA and it happens to be at one of the most important positions in the NFL.

And one where they already have a good player that they paid a ton of money to.By this line of thinking, the Browns should have taken Kalil and moved Thomas to the right side because it was a good draft deal.

There are surprises in the draft every year. We may think this isn't a good "fit" based on needs but teams don't typically think that way. At the top of the draft you want the best possible talent for your dollar. You can argue that it would be Richardson but if you look at where teams are headed in 2012, you realize how low of value RB's really are.Detroit took Fairley last year even though they had Suh. NFL teams need 2 OT's on the field at the same time.

I think teams are going to look at Richardson as a special talent come draft day.

 

[FUBAR]

feel free to PM any offers, will consider them all and will be very likely to take the best offer

I'd offer Chris Johnson for Kalil. Or 1.20 and next year's 1st. Kalil shouldn't have fallen this far.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

feel free to PM any offers, will consider them all and will be very likely to take the best offer

I'd offer Chris Johnson for Kalil. Or 1.20 and next year's 1st. Kalil shouldn't have fallen this far.

Six overall isn't "falling".

 

[scrumptrulescent]

The Bucs re-signed LT Donald Penn to a six-year, $43 million contract just last summer and he had a better season this year than he did the year before.They would bypass Kalil in this scenario no matter how much "value" there is in the proposition.

Agree with this. Bucs wouldnt take Kalil. I could see Richardson before him but the pick would be the corner.

So they'd go CB 5th overall because it's a need and seems like a good fit, right?And with all the crap they've dealt with by that knucklehead Talib, they can't wait to get in line for a CB who just got busted with possession of pot only 3 months before the draft?

 

[FUBAR]

I think TB made the right choice here. BPA and it happens to be at one of the most important positions in the NFL.

And one where they already have a good player that they paid a ton of money to.By this line of thinking, the Browns should have taken Kalil and moved Thomas to the right side because it was a good draft deal.

Why move Thomas instead of Kalil? Any QB could flourish if Thomas/Kalil were protecting him.

 

[FUBAR]

feel free to PM any offers, will consider them all and will be very likely to take the best offer

I'd offer Chris Johnson for Kalil. Or 1.20 and next year's 1st. Kalil shouldn't have fallen this far.

Six overall isn't "falling".

It is when he's the 2nd best player in the draft. I can't fault the Rams for taking the WR, but Kalil should have been the pick IMO.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think TB made the right choice here. BPA and it happens to be at one of the most important positions in the NFL.

And one where they already have a good player that they paid a ton of money to.By this line of thinking, the Browns should have taken Kalil and moved Thomas to the right side because it was a good draft deal.

Why move Thomas instead of Kalil? Any QB could flourish if Thomas/Kalil were protecting him.

Why take a right tackle with the fifth pick in the draft?

 

[FUBAR]

I think TB made the right choice here. BPA and it happens to be at one of the most important positions in the NFL.

And one where they already have a good player that they paid a ton of money to.By this line of thinking, the Browns should have taken Kalil and moved Thomas to the right side because it was a good draft deal.

Why move Thomas instead of Kalil? Any QB could flourish if Thomas/Kalil were protecting him.

Why take a right tackle with the fifth pick in the draft?

I don't know Thomas's contract status, but if he's a FA any time soon, Kalil would move back.Or is it too difficult to move between RT and LT?

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I think teams are going to look at Richardson as a special talent come draft day.

He may be a special talent but he's still only a RB.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Or is it too difficult to move between RT and LT?

It's not nearly as easy as it sounds.

 

[Assani Fisher]

We have an offer on the table for Kalil and are going to move him within the next ~15 minutes if we don't get a better offer. Feel free to send any offer now.

feel free to PM any offers, will consider them all and will be very likely to take the best offer

I'd offer Chris Johnson for Kalil. Or 1.20 and next year's 1st. Kalil shouldn't have fallen this far.

Our offer on the table is considerably better than that imo.

 

[RBM]

The Bucs re-signed LT Donald Penn to a six-year, $43 million contract just last summer and he had a better season this year than he did the year before.They would bypass Kalil in this scenario no matter how much "value" there is in the proposition.

Agree with this. Bucs wouldnt take Kalil. I could see Richardson before him but the pick would be the corner.

So they'd go CB 5th overall because it's a need and seems like a good fit, right?And with all the crap they've dealt with by that knucklehead Talib, they can't wait to get in line for a CB who just got busted with possession of pot only 3 months before the draft?

Ooof....didnt know about the pot bust. Yeah thats bad.CB is a dire need for them though

 

[CentralPA]

I'm going to be busy tonight but if I get a moment and 1.15 comes up i'll post.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I think TB made the right choice here. BPA and it happens to be at one of the most important positions in the NFL.

And one where they already have a good player that they paid a ton of money to.By this line of thinking, the Browns should have taken Kalil and moved Thomas to the right side because it was a good draft deal.

Why move Thomas instead of Kalil? Any QB could flourish if Thomas/Kalil were protecting him.

Why take a right tackle with the fifth pick in the draft?

Because he's the BPA, is by what I've read head and shoulders above the other OT's in this draft ceiling-wise, and OT is one of the most important positions in the NFL.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Because he's the BPA, is by what I've read head and shoulders above the other OT's in this draft ceiling-wise, and OT is one of the most important positions in the NFL.

But the idea isn't to see if you can take the absolute best player every time you pick. The idea of the draft is to improve your team within the context of what you already have. There is no chance the Bucs would take another tackle when they already have a starter that they've paid starter money to. They just wouldn't.

 

[FUBAR]

Because he's the BPA, is by what I've read head and shoulders above the other OT's in this draft ceiling-wise, and OT is one of the most important positions in the NFL.

But the idea isn't to see if you can take the absolute best player every time you pick. The idea of the draft is to improve your team within the context of what you already have. There is no chance the Bucs would take another tackle when they already have a starter that they've paid starter money to. They just wouldn't.

Can't speak for the Bucs management, but I'll speculate their phones would be ringing off the hook for a trade.

 

[rifkin]

Can't speak for the Bucs management, but I'll speculate their phones would be ringing off the hook for a trade.

Bingo.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Because he's the BPA, is by what I've read head and shoulders above the other OT's in this draft ceiling-wise, and OT is one of the most important positions in the NFL.

But the idea isn't to see if you can take the absolute best player every time you pick. The idea of the draft is to improve your team within the context of what you already have. There is no chance the Bucs would take another tackle when they already have a starter that they've paid starter money to. They just wouldn't.

Can't speak for the Bucs management, but I'll speculate their phones would be ringing off the hook for a trade.

I can agree with that, but that's a different argument.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Because he's the BPA, is by what I've read head and shoulders above the other OT's in this draft ceiling-wise, and OT is one of the most important positions in the NFL.

But the idea isn't to see if you can take the absolute best player every time you pick. The idea of the draft is to improve your team within the context of what you already have. There is no chance the Bucs would take another tackle when they already have a starter that they've paid starter money to. They just wouldn't.

Come on Andy, how can you be so obtuse?Explain to me the Detroit Lions 1st round choices in 2010 and 2011. Suh is being paid QB money right now.

 

[RBM]

I think TB made the right choice here. BPA and it happens to be at one of the most important positions in the NFL.

And one where they already have a good player that they paid a ton of money to.By this line of thinking, the Browns should have taken Kalil and moved Thomas to the right side because it was a good draft deal.

Why move Thomas instead of Kalil? Any QB could flourish if Thomas/Kalil were protecting him.

Why take a right tackle with the fifth pick in the draft?

Because he's the BPA, is by what I've read head and shoulders above the other OT's in this draft ceiling-wise, and OT is one of the most important positions in the NFL.

BPA happens later in the first rd and later in the draft ALOT more than the early picks. Teams that are picking that high suck for many reasons. So you see need picks early, because its not like they are getting a bad player up that high

 

[psufans2]

I'm going to be busy tonight but if I get a moment and 1.15 comes up i'll post.

sent a pm back sir.

 

[Grimace59]

With the 7th pick in the Draft, Jacksonville takes

Kendall Wright WR Baylor

Rumors are that a couple teams have him as their #1 WR over Blackmon. I'm picking under the assumption that Jacksonville is one of these team, and feel in love with him after the combine. The ownership also wants to give Gabbert a chance to succeed. This seems like a big reach now, but after the combine things can change. Other pick would have been Quinton Couples.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Because he's the BPA, is by what I've read head and shoulders above the other OT's in this draft ceiling-wise, and OT is one of the most important positions in the NFL.

But the idea isn't to see if you can take the absolute best player every time you pick. The idea of the draft is to improve your team within the context of what you already have. There is no chance the Bucs would take another tackle when they already have a starter that they've paid starter money to. They just wouldn't.

Come on Andy, how can you be so obtuse?Explain to me the Detroit Lions 1st round choices in 2010 and 2011. Suh is being paid QB money right now.

Defensive tackles aren't offensive tackles and Fairley's contract at 13 is nothing like a 5.

 

[eric rymer]

Because he's the BPA, is by what I've read head and shoulders above the other OT's in this draft ceiling-wise, and OT is one of the most important positions in the NFL.

But the idea isn't to see if you can take the absolute best player every time you pick. The idea of the draft is to improve your team within the context of what you already have. There is no chance the Bucs would take another tackle when they already have a starter that they've paid starter money to. They just wouldn't.

Can't speak for the Bucs management, but I'll speculate their phones would be ringing off the hook for a trade.

Agree completely. Thankfully they picked up the phone Tampa Bay sends Matt Kalil to the Carolina Panthers .

Tampa receives

2012 1.9

2013 2nd rounder

Jonathan Stewart

Carolina receives

Matt Kalil

I felt that Williams skillset is better suited to the type of offense run by Newton. Carolina stuck gold last year with Newton and wants to do everything possible to protect him. Matt is requited with his brother Ryan.

I know offense really was not an issue with the 5th ranked offense of the Panthers. I was not in love with any D-line prospects at 1.9. Kirkpatrick was on the radar until the drug bust this week. So with Claiborne off the board, protecting Cam became priority #1.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

With the 7th pick in the Draft, Jacksonville takes

Kendall Wright WR Baylor

Rummors are that a couple teams have him as their #1 WR over Blackmon. I'm picking under the assumption that Jacksonville is one of these team, and feel in love with him after the combine. The ownership also wants to give Gabbert a chance to succeed. This seems like a big reach now, but after the combine things can change. Other pick would have been Quinton Couples.

I like it and think it has a big possibility of happening. The only thing against him is size. All the Jaguars' receivers are smurfs.

 

[Assani Fisher]

confirm the trade

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Agree completely. Thankfully they picked up the phone

Tampa Bay sends Matt Kalil to the Carolina Panthers .

Tampa receives

2012 1.9

2013 2nd rounder

Jonathan Stewart

Carolina receives

Matt Kalil

I felt that Williams skillset is better suited to the type of offense run by Newton. Carolina stuck gold last years with Newton and wants to do everything possible to protect him. Matt is requited with his brother Ryan.

I know offense really was not an issue with the 5th ranked offense of the Panthers. I was not in love with any D-line prospects at 1.9. Kirkpatrick was on the radar until the drug bust this week. So with Claiborne off the board, protecting Cam became priority #1.

Wait. So now what are you going to do with Jordan Gross who is going into year four of a six year extension?

 

[psufans2]

With the 7th pick in the Draft, Jacksonville takes

Kendall Wright WR Baylor

Rummors are that a couple teams have him as their #1 WR over Blackmon. I'm picking under the assumption that Jacksonville is one of these team, and feel in love with him after the combine. The ownership also wants to give Gabbert a chance to succeed. This seems like a big reach now, but after the combine things can change. Other pick would have been Quinton Couples.

I like it and think it has a big possibility of happening. The only thing against him is size. All the Jaguars' receivers are smurfs.

I can say the Buffalo Bills were looking at him possibly at #10.Also Carolina just got rapeddddd!!!

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Because he's the BPA, is by what I've read head and shoulders above the other OT's in this draft ceiling-wise, and OT is one of the most important positions in the NFL.

But the idea isn't to see if you can take the absolute best player every time you pick. The idea of the draft is to improve your team within the context of what you already have. There is no chance the Bucs would take another tackle when they already have a starter that they've paid starter money to. They just wouldn't.

Can't speak for the Bucs management, but I'll speculate their phones would be ringing off the hook for a trade.

Agree completely. Thankfully they picked up the phone Tampa Bay sends Matt Kalil to the Carolina Panthers .

Tampa receives

2012 1.9

2013 2nd rounder

Jonathan Stewart

Carolina receives

Matt Kalil

I felt that Williams skillset is better suited to the type of offense run by Newton. Carolina stuck gold last year with Newton and wants to do everything possible to protect him. Matt is requited with his brother Ryan.

I know offense really was not an issue with the 5th ranked offense of the Panthers. I was not in love with any D-line prospects at 1.9. Kirkpatrick was on the radar until the drug bust this week. So with Claiborne off the board, protecting Cam became priority #1.

Um.......wha?Is this Monopoly?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I don't think I'm going to allow that one...

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Because he's the BPA, is by what I've read head and shoulders above the other OT's in this draft ceiling-wise, and OT is one of the most important positions in the NFL.

But the idea isn't to see if you can take the absolute best player every time you pick. The idea of the draft is to improve your team within the context of what you already have. There is no chance the Bucs would take another tackle when they already have a starter that they've paid starter money to. They just wouldn't.

Come on Andy, how can you be so obtuse?Explain to me the Detroit Lions 1st round choices in 2010 and 2011. Suh is being paid QB money right now.

Defensive tackles aren't offensive tackles and Fairley's contract at 13 is nothing like a 5.

Fairley's contract is $9.88 million for 4 years. Patrick Peterson was the 5th pick overall and his contract is $18.42 over 4 years. Under the new CBA the differences are not all that massive anymore.