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[Grimace59]

With the 7th pick in the Draft, Jacksonville takes

Kendall Wright WR Baylor

Rummors are that a couple teams have him as their #1 WR over Blackmon. I'm picking under the assumption that Jacksonville is one of these team, and feel in love with him after the combine. The ownership also wants to give Gabbert a chance to succeed. This seems like a big reach now, but after the combine things can change. Other pick would have been Quinton Couples.

I like it and think it has a big possibility of happening. The only thing against him is size. All the Jaguars' receivers are smurfs.

The size gave me some doubts with the pick, but I see them taking him before Floyd. Plus they'll want to get some WR to help Gabert out.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Trading imo the #2 draft prospect within our own division sucks and Newton/Kalil could be a ridiculous combo for years to come, but I felt as if the value was too much to pass up. Blount/Stewart take care of our RB needs(or we could still take Richardson and let Blount go). As I said in my initial writeup, bad teams need to accumulate talent and thats what I'm trying to do here. I think the extra 2nd rounder in 2013 is a great asset(although Carolina should be much improved so it might not be that high).

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Fairley's contract is $9.88 million for 4 years. Patrick Peterson was the 5th pick overall and his contract is $18.42 over 4 years. Under the new CBA the differences are not all that massive anymore.

It's $10 Million.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Guys. That Carolina/Tampa trade would never happen. It's in-division and the Panthers already have their left tackle.

 

[Assani Fisher]

I don't think I'm going to allow that one...

by almost all accounts Kalil and Griffin are similarly rated prospects. One went for 1.6 and 2013 1st rounder; The other went for 1.9, 2013 2nd rounder, and Jonathan Stewart. Seems about even to me, no?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I don't think I'm going to allow that one...

by almost all accounts Kalil and Griffin are similarly rated prospects. One went for 1.6 and 2013 1st rounder; The other went for 1.9, 2013 2nd rounder, and Jonathan Stewart. Seems about even to me, no?

It's not about value, it's about plausibility.

 

[Assani Fisher]

I don't think I'm going to allow that one...

by almost all accounts Kalil and Griffin are similarly rated prospects. One went for 1.6 and 2013 1st rounder; The other went for 1.9, 2013 2nd rounder, and Jonathan Stewart. Seems about even to me, no?

It's not about value, it's about plausibility.

Oh ok, I thought you were saying it was unfair value.Your draft, your rules. I'll be fine with whatever you decide. If you don't allow it then I'm definitely still looking to move Kalil.From my perspective, it does suck to let your division rivals have a combo of Newton/Kalil, but like the Eagles trading McNabb to the Skins- if you think the value is there then you pull the trigger.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Fairley's contract is $9.88 million for 4 years. Patrick Peterson was the 5th pick overall and his contract is $18.42 over 4 years. Under the new CBA the differences are not all that massive anymore.

It's $10 Million.

In 2010 the 5th pick (Eric Berry) signed a 5 year, $60 million contract. The 13th pick (Brandon Graham) signed a 5 year, $22 million contract. That is $38 Million.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Fairley's contract is $9.88 million for 4 years. Patrick Peterson was the 5th pick overall and his contract is $18.42 over 4 years. Under the new CBA the differences are not all that massive anymore.

It's $10 Million.

In 2010 the 5th pick (Eric Berry) signed a 5 year, $60 million contract. The 13th pick (Brandon Graham) signed a 5 year, $22 million contract. That is $38 Million.

Yeah?

 

[eric rymer]

Guys. That Carolina/Tampa trade would never happen. It's in-division and the Panthers already have their left tackle.

I agree that it would probably never happen. I even mentioned that in my PM's with Assani. But it is not the first time that division rivals have traded in the past. Cleveland traded with Baltimore not too long ago on draft day. I believe it was for Ngata but correct me if I am wrong. Gross is in his 9th year and RT is extremely weak. Granted a deal like this is unlikely but it's not impossible. It's your mock Andy so if you want to reject it, then that's your call. No hard feelings. I've seen my fair share of Gross and if I recall he has played RT while at Carolina. This is not as far fetched as some might think.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I dunno. What do others think?

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Fairley's contract is $9.88 million for 4 years. Patrick Peterson was the 5th pick overall and his contract is $18.42 over 4 years. Under the new CBA the differences are not all that massive anymore.

It's $10 Million.

In 2010 the 5th pick (Eric Berry) signed a 5 year, $60 million contract. The 13th pick (Brandon Graham) signed a 5 year, $22 million contract. That is $38 Million.

Yeah?

Uh huh.

 

[psufans2]

goddd Kirby was on here to I have 30 mins

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I dunno. What do others think?

It depends on what you want to happen here. Do we want to try and make as if it were the real thing, or do we just want a funsies draft? I should have offered the Indianapolis Colts Calvin Johnson and Matt Stafford for Andrew Luck just to see what they'd say.

 

[Assani Fisher]

i'm running to the store, will be back in about 30 minutes.

If the trade is disallowed, then Miami feel free to offer me similar value as that before you pick....like I said I'll be back in about 30 minutes.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Ah...What the hell. I'll allow it.

 

[eric rymer]

Ah...What the hell. I'll allow it.

Other than it being a division rival I'd be curious to hear any other complaints. From Carolina's standpoint I don't think it's that bad. I know Carolina's DL and CB's need some attention. I know some folks have Devon Still penciled in but wouldn't a chance to protect Cam from both corners be a huge plus. He's shown how important he is to that team in just the first season. And like I mentioned. transitioning Gross to RT should not be that hard since he has already played there in his career.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Ah...What the hell. I'll allow it.

Other than it being a division rival I'd be curious to hear any other complaints. From Carolina's standpoint I don't think it's that bad. I know Carolina's DL and CB's need some attention. I know some folks have Devon Still penciled in but wouldn't a chance to protect Cam from both corners be a huge plus. He's shown how important he is to that team in just the first season. And like I mentioned. transitioning Gross to RT should not be that hard since he has already played there in his career.

It all makes logical sense. Gross could definitely slide to the right as he's done often in his career.I would think the Panthers would go defense with that pick, though.

 

[FUBAR]

Honestly, I think the trade works if we get past the divisional "issue".

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Are the Panthers in that bad of need for an OT? Is Otah being completely written off?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I guess is was just the specificity of it that threw me off.

At least in my mind, it's better to say the 1.09 and "whatever else it takes" for the 1.06.

But then again...I have a strange mind.

 

[eric rymer]

Ah...What the hell. I'll allow it.

Other than it being a division rival I'd be curious to hear any other complaints. From Carolina's standpoint I don't think it's that bad. I know Carolina's DL and CB's need some attention. I know some folks have Devon Still penciled in but wouldn't a chance to protect Cam from both corners be a huge plus. He's shown how important he is to that team in just the first season. And like I mentioned. transitioning Gross to RT should not be that hard since he has already played there in his career.

It all makes logical sense. Gross could definitely slide to the right as he's done often in his career.I would think the Panthers would go defense with that pick, though.

who would you select? before this week I think Dre was a real possibility. They are making a huge push to be positive people in the community and I think that might just hurt Dre if he lasted that long. I absolutely agree that Defense has to be addressed. I just didn't like the guys available at that slot. We still have an early 2nd and will look there.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Are the Panthers in that bad of need for an OT? Is Otah being completely written off?

Oh snap. (Am I allowed to say that?)I'd completely forgotten about Otah.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

I can't imagine a scenario where the panthers look at Otah and in their collective minds they feel "set" at the position. He's constantly injured.

 

[eric rymer]

I can't imagine a scenario where the panthers look at Otah and in their collective minds they feel "set" at the position. He's constantly injured.

Games PlayedYear Team G GS2008 Carolina Panthers 12 122009 Carolina Panthers 13 132010 Carolina Panthers 0 02011 Carolina Panthers 4 4TOTAL 29 29

 

[eric rymer]

I guess is was just the specificity of it that threw me off.

At least in my mind, it's better to say the 1.09 and "whatever else it takes" for the 1.06.

But then again...I have a strange mind.

most of us in the SP do....that's why we stay here.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

who would you select? before this week I think Dre was a real possibility. They are making a huge push to be positive people in the community and I think that might just hurt Dre if he lasted that long. I absolutely agree that Defense has to be addressed. I just didn't like the guys available at that slot. We still have an early 2nd and will look there.

Tough call, for sure. Maybe if they stay at 9 they reach a bit for Kuechly? Their DT's didn't really get it done last year either.

 

[psufans2]

Andy I pmd you can you please advise

 

[eric rymer]

who would you select? before this week I think Dre was a real possibility. They are making a huge push to be positive people in the community and I think that might just hurt Dre if he lasted that long. I absolutely agree that Defense has to be addressed. I just didn't like the guys available at that slot. We still have an early 2nd and will look there.

Tough call, for sure. Maybe if they stay at 9 they reach a bit for Kuechly? Their DT's didn't really get it done last year either.

LB's looked awful last year due to injuries. Losing Thomas Jones and Beason was terrible but both are projecting to recover fine. Since they are not going to the 3-4 as some had mentioned. Kuechly would be playing behind Beason with no immediate impact. They absolutely need help at DT. You'll get zero argument there from me. But IMO there is no standout DT. I really put the top 5 DT's close enough that taking one at 9 is difficult. I really think one of those guys will be available in the early 2nd.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

LB's looked awful last year due to injuries. Losing Thomas Jones and Beason was terrible but both are projecting to recover fine. Since they are not going to the 3-4 as some had mentioned. Kuechly would be playing behind Beason with no immediate impact. They absolutely need help at DT. You'll get zero argument there from me. But IMO there is no standout DT. I really put the top 5 DT's close enough that taking one at 9 is difficult. I really think one of those guys will be available in the early 2nd.

Hmmm. True, and Beason didn't look good playing WLB.Maybe they'd try to upgrade the #2 WR spot with an eye on a guy that could develop into a #1. LaFell was playing better of late, but how long can they wait?

 

[scrumptrulescent]

LB's looked awful last year due to injuries. Losing Thomas Jones and Beason was terrible but both are projecting to recover fine. Since they are not going to the 3-4 as some had mentioned. Kuechly would be playing behind Beason with no immediate impact. They absolutely need help at DT. You'll get zero argument there from me. But IMO there is no standout DT. I really put the top 5 DT's close enough that taking one at 9 is difficult. I really think one of those guys will be available in the early 2nd.

Hmmm. True, and Beason didn't look good playing WLB.Maybe they'd try to upgrade the #2 WR spot with an eye on a guy that could develop into a #1. LaFell was playing better of late, but how long can they wait?

M Floyd?Still?Coples?Brockers?

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

LB's looked awful last year due to injuries. Losing Thomas Jones and Beason was terrible but both are projecting to recover fine. Since they are not going to the 3-4 as some had mentioned. Kuechly would be playing behind Beason with no immediate impact. They absolutely need help at DT. You'll get zero argument there from me. But IMO there is no standout DT. I really put the top 5 DT's close enough that taking one at 9 is difficult. I really think one of those guys will be available in the early 2nd.

Hmmm. True, and Beason didn't look good playing WLB.Maybe they'd try to upgrade the #2 WR spot with an eye on a guy that could develop into a #1. LaFell was playing better of late, but how long can they wait?

Not long. How many more seasons can Steve Smith do this? I think they address WR in later rounds though. They need impact players to rebuild a defense that ranks in the bottom of the league.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

LB's looked awful last year due to injuries. Losing Thomas Jones and Beason was terrible but both are projecting to recover fine. Since they are not going to the 3-4 as some had mentioned. Kuechly would be playing behind Beason with no immediate impact. They absolutely need help at DT. You'll get zero argument there from me. But IMO there is no standout DT. I really put the top 5 DT's close enough that taking one at 9 is difficult. I really think one of those guys will be available in the early 2nd.

Hmmm. True, and Beason didn't look good playing WLB.Maybe they'd try to upgrade the #2 WR spot with an eye on a guy that could develop into a #1. LaFell was playing better of late, but how long can they wait?

M Floyd?Still?Coples?Brockers?

DeSean Jackson? He doesn't have a contract yet does he?Steve Smith might be able to straighten the little punk out.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

LB's looked awful last year due to injuries. Losing Thomas Jones and Beason was terrible but both are projecting to recover fine. Since they are not going to the 3-4 as some had mentioned. Kuechly would be playing behind Beason with no immediate impact. They absolutely need help at DT. You'll get zero argument there from me. But IMO there is no standout DT. I really put the top 5 DT's close enough that taking one at 9 is difficult. I really think one of those guys will be available in the early 2nd.

Hmmm. True, and Beason didn't look good playing WLB.Maybe they'd try to upgrade the #2 WR spot with an eye on a guy that could develop into a #1. LaFell was playing better of late, but how long can they wait?

M Floyd?Still?Coples?Brockers?

DeSean Jackson? He doesn't have a contract yet does he?Steve Smith might be able to straighten the little punk out.

Why would they go after a mighty-mite like Jackson when they have Steve Smith? M Floyd is a big WR who would complement Smith well.

 

[yellowdog]

I don't think I'm going to allow that one...

Agreed. Let's limit trades to picks.

 

[RBM]

I don't think I'm going to allow that one...

Thats a ridiculous trade

 

[psufans2]

I don't think I'm going to allow that one...

Agreed. Let's limit trades to picks.

O YOU ARE BACK YAYYYY respond to my pm please.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

LB's looked awful last year due to injuries. Losing Thomas Jones and Beason was terrible but both are projecting to recover fine. Since they are not going to the 3-4 as some had mentioned. Kuechly would be playing behind Beason with no immediate impact. They absolutely need help at DT. You'll get zero argument there from me. But IMO there is no standout DT. I really put the top 5 DT's close enough that taking one at 9 is difficult. I really think one of those guys will be available in the early 2nd.

Hmmm. True, and Beason didn't look good playing WLB.Maybe they'd try to upgrade the #2 WR spot with an eye on a guy that could develop into a #1. LaFell was playing better of late, but how long can they wait?

M Floyd?Still?Coples?Brockers?

DeSean Jackson? He doesn't have a contract yet does he?Steve Smith might be able to straighten the little punk out.

Why would they go after a mighty-mite like Jackson when they have Steve Smith? M Floyd is a big WR who would complement Smith well.

Because LaFell is 6'2 and 200+... he's not giant but he's good size. Having DeSean would allow them to line him up in different places, and take over Smith's role in the offense when he finally goes out to pasture. He'll start this season at 33. Jackson is a much more dangerous player than Floyd, huge threat on special teams as well as a big play WR. Just those reasons.

 

[RBM]

Tampa wouldnt take Kalil in hopes of trading him. That doesnt happen

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

Tampa wouldnt take Kalil in hopes of trading him. That doesnt happen

*cough* Eli Rivers *cough*

 

[eric rymer]

TB's drafter had 2 offers he liked with both teams targeting Kalil. He selected him to get this thing moving.

 

[psufans2]

Alright I am off for a while everyone has my pms glglgl

 

[scrumptrulescent]

LB's looked awful last year due to injuries. Losing Thomas Jones and Beason was terrible but both are projecting to recover fine. Since they are not going to the 3-4 as some had mentioned. Kuechly would be playing behind Beason with no immediate impact. They absolutely need help at DT. You'll get zero argument there from me. But IMO there is no standout DT. I really put the top 5 DT's close enough that taking one at 9 is difficult. I really think one of those guys will be available in the early 2nd.

Hmmm. True, and Beason didn't look good playing WLB.Maybe they'd try to upgrade the #2 WR spot with an eye on a guy that could develop into a #1. LaFell was playing better of late, but how long can they wait?

M Floyd?Still?Coples?Brockers?

DeSean Jackson? He doesn't have a contract yet does he?Steve Smith might be able to straighten the little punk out.

Why would they go after a mighty-mite like Jackson when they have Steve Smith? M Floyd is a big WR who would complement Smith well.

Because LaFell is 6'2 and 200+... he's not giant but he's good size. Having DeSean would allow them to line him up in different places, and take over Smith's role in the offense when he finally goes out to pasture. He'll start this season at 33. Jackson is a much more dangerous player than Floyd, huge threat on special teams as well as a big play WR. Just those reasons.

Wasn't LaFell losing playing time to Legedu Naanee this past year? Why not go after defensive FA's and draft Floyd?

 

[The Hank]

LB's looked awful last year due to injuries. Losing Thomas Jones and Beason was terrible but both are projecting to recover fine. Since they are not going to the 3-4 as some had mentioned. Kuechly would be playing behind Beason with no immediate impact. They absolutely need help at DT. You'll get zero argument there from me. But IMO there is no standout DT. I really put the top 5 DT's close enough that taking one at 9 is difficult. I really think one of those guys will be available in the early 2nd.

Hmmm. True, and Beason didn't look good playing WLB.Maybe they'd try to upgrade the #2 WR spot with an eye on a guy that could develop into a #1. LaFell was playing better of late, but how long can they wait?

M Floyd?Still?Coples?Brockers?

DeSean Jackson? He doesn't have a contract yet does he?Steve Smith might be able to straighten the little punk out.

Why would they go after a mighty-mite like Jackson when they have Steve Smith? M Floyd is a big WR who would complement Smith well.

Because LaFell is 6'2 and 200+... he's not giant but he's good size. Having DeSean would allow them to line him up in different places, and take over Smith's role in the offense when he finally goes out to pasture. He'll start this season at 33. Jackson is a much more dangerous player than Floyd, huge threat on special teams as well as a big play WR. Just those reasons.

Wasn't LaFell losing playing time to Legedu Naanee this past year? Why not go after defensive FA's and draft Floyd?

Big year for FA WR's

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

LB's looked awful last year due to injuries. Losing Thomas Jones and Beason was terrible but both are projecting to recover fine. Since they are not going to the 3-4 as some had mentioned. Kuechly would be playing behind Beason with no immediate impact. They absolutely need help at DT. You'll get zero argument there from me. But IMO there is no standout DT. I really put the top 5 DT's close enough that taking one at 9 is difficult. I really think one of those guys will be available in the early 2nd.

Hmmm. True, and Beason didn't look good playing WLB.Maybe they'd try to upgrade the #2 WR spot with an eye on a guy that could develop into a #1. LaFell was playing better of late, but how long can they wait?

M Floyd?Still?Coples?Brockers?

DeSean Jackson? He doesn't have a contract yet does he?Steve Smith might be able to straighten the little punk out.

Why would they go after a mighty-mite like Jackson when they have Steve Smith? M Floyd is a big WR who would complement Smith well.

Because LaFell is 6'2 and 200+... he's not giant but he's good size. Having DeSean would allow them to line him up in different places, and take over Smith's role in the offense when he finally goes out to pasture. He'll start this season at 33. Jackson is a much more dangerous player than Floyd, huge threat on special teams as well as a big play WR. Just those reasons.

Wasn't LaFell losing playing time to Legedu Naanee this past year? Why not go after defensive FA's and draft Floyd?

They can do whatever they want. I was just making a suggestion and defending it when you inquired about it. I could understand if the Panthers don't want to inherit DeSeans horrible attitude. But his upside is huge. I think their offense has enough pieces to compete though. They need to draft and put together a nucleus on this defense. It's pretty horrible, and not very young to be honest.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Big year for FA WR's

Most will be resigned in the offseason with their current teams I believe.

 

[The Hank]

Big year for FA WR's

Most will be resigned in the offseason with their current teams I believe.

There's alot of FA WR's this year

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Big year for FA WR's

Most will be resigned in the offseason with their current teams I believe.

There's alot of FA WR's this year

Yes....I already looked at footballsfuture.I beleive Welker, VJax, Bowe, Colston, Steve Johnson, and Lloyd will all stay where they are. I don't think Wayne or DJax are good fits. After that it's a ton of names, just not sure they're good ones.

 

[RBM]

Tampa wouldnt take Kalil in hopes of trading him. That doesnt happen

*cough* Eli Rivers *cough*

It was basically a done deal prior to the draft. The Chargers didnt take Eli and then say...."ok who wants this guy?"

 

[scrumptrulescent]

The Chargers didnt take Eli and then say...."ok who wants this guy?"

This made me laugh.