If that knee is sound you made a great pick.2.19: The Atlanta Falcons select Karl Joseph, Safety, WVU.
Exactly.When you have a defense like the Broncos, you can afford to draft a game manager...
exactly. which is why I don't understand using a 1st rounder for JAG when you can get JAG on day 2 or via fa.Exactly.
They won the Super Bowl with a QB who, at that point, was game manager.
Because the JAG at 31 is a lot better than the JAG at 63.exactly. which is why I don't understand using a 1st rounder for JAG when you can get JAG on day 2 or via fa.
not always...sometimes they are pretty comparable and your ROI at 31 looks a lot uglier than at 63 considering the alternatives at 31.Because the JAG at 31 is a lot better than the JAG at 63.
All your team needs is a half-decent QB.not always...sometimes they are pretty comparable and your ROI at 31 looks a lot uglier than at 63 considering the alternatives at 31.
Denver has multiple needs, one of which may be at 5 tech, but reaching for need, especially at QB is often a fallacy (see EJ Manuel, Christian Ponder, etal.). Denver will take a QB in the draft. I merely disagree that they will take what is (imo) a day 2 talent at 31. again, more surprising things have happened and it may, I'm just giving my .02All your team needs is a half-decent QB.
You don't have one.
Pick the best QB available at 31, and you potentially go back to the Super Bowl.
Dont be so hung up on ROI, ADP, OPS, FBI, or ABC easy as 123.
Draft what you need.
The great defense/game manager QB is a lightning in a bottle strategy. The teams that have won a SB with it,...Bears, Bucs, Ravens never come close again, probably because it's hard to keep their great defenses together and if they slip just a little bit, those game manager QBs are exposed. Make no mistake, Denver will never win a SB with Sanchez at QB.Exactly.
They won the Super Bowl with a QB who, at that point, was game manager.
Yes. Great post.Not sure why Cook at 31 (the last pick of the first round) is of any real issue. while people are all over the place on him, he largely settles as a 2nd round prospect meaning that he is not a significant "reach" even if you believe in that term. QBs are 'reached" for more than not and QB is a obvious need for the Broncos. Based on what we have seen in free agency and this week, it is probably 50/50 Cook is even there at 31 and less than 10% that he would be there at 64 (assuming the Broncos are one of the teams who even like Cook).
On the idea of reaching...We don't know how any of these guys are actually rated until the actual draft occurs. The event itself reveals a players rating by at least one team (drafting) or 32 teams (not drafting). We don't really know who is reaching or not since we don't know the boards of all 32 teams. Makes for fun talk, but at the end of the day, it just that fun talk.
Agreed and frankly I'll probably be more surprised if he isn't taken in the first 50 picks.Not sure why Cook at 31 (the last pick of the first round) is of any real issue. while people are all over the place on him, he largely settles as a 2nd round prospect meaning that he is not a significant "reach" even if you believe in that term. QBs are 'reached" for more than not and QB is a obvious need for the Broncos. Based on what we have seen in free agency and this week, it is probably 50/50 Cook is even there at 31 and less than 10% that he would be there at 64 (assuming the Broncos are one of the teams who even like Cook).
On the idea of reaching...We don't know how any of these guys are actually rated until the actual draft occurs. The event itself reveals a players rating by at least one team (drafting) or 32 teams (not drafting). We don't really know who is reaching or not since we don't know the boards of all 32 teams. Makes for fun talk, but at the end of the day, it just that fun talk.
this is a good point and having read multiple posts RE: this pick, it's starting to make a little more sense than when I 1st saw the pick.Not sure why Cook at 31 (the last pick of the first round) is of any real issue. while people are all over the place on him, he largely settles as a 2nd round prospect meaning that he is not a significant "reach" even if you believe in that term. QBs are 'reached" for more than not and QB is a obvious need for the Broncos. Based on what we have seen in free agency and this week, it is probably 50/50 Cook is even there at 31 and less than 10% that he would be there at 64 (assuming the Broncos are one of the teams who even like Cook).
On the idea of reaching...We don't know how any of these guys are actually rated until the actual draft occurs. The event itself reveals a players rating by at least one team (drafting) or 32 teams (not drafting). We don't really know who is reaching or not since we don't know the boards of all 32 teams. Makes for fun talk, but at the end of the day, it just that fun talk.
You jackass! I was hoping for one of Joseph or Neal.Washington Redskins take Keanu Neal, FS, Florida State.
This was useful talk as far as i can tell...no harm in my bookthis is a good point and having read multiple posts RE: this pick, it's starting to make a little more sense than when I 1st saw the pick.
sorry to anyone if this hijacked the thread, but fwiw, I think that's part of the mock process is working through some of others' draft logic.
Agreed. No hijack, good discussion.This was useful talk as far as i can tell...no harm in my book
Why not? Its going well.Are we gonna grind out a 3rd round ?
Great pick. LSU is on a run now with either nabbing elite HS LB's or average and coaching them up. I think Debo was a 4 star but didn't get to play much until last year because of the depth chart. Wish we could have had a year of him in Aranda's scheme.I'll take a guy that runs like a d-back but plays like a linebacker...
2.35 (54) - Deion Jones, LB - LSU
Dude ran a 4.38 at his pro day.
Agree on good post. Another thing to consider is the 5 year option and why taking Cook at 31 might be smart for financial reasons also instead of maybe dropping back a little to get him which is an option.Not sure why Cook at 31 (the last pick of the first round) is of any real issue. while people are all over the place on him, he largely settles as a 2nd round prospect meaning that he is not a significant "reach" even if you believe in that term. QBs are 'reached" for more than not and QB is a obvious need for the Broncos. Based on what we have seen in free agency and this week, it is probably 50/50 Cook is even there at 31 and less than 10% that he would be there at 64 (assuming the Broncos are one of the teams who even like Cook).
On the idea of reaching...We don't know how any of these guys are actually rated until the actual draft occurs. The event itself reveals a players rating by at least one team (drafting) or 32 teams (not drafting). We don't really know who is reaching or not since we don't know the boards of all 32 teams. Makes for fun talk, but at the end of the day, it just that fun talk.
No hikack as I think your perspective as a Broncos fan is helpful to the discussion.this is a good point and having read multiple posts RE: this pick, it's starting to make a little more sense than when I 1st saw the pick.
sorry to anyone if this hijacked the thread, but fwiw, I think that's part of the mock process is working through some of others' draft logic.
Nice pick.Washington Redskins take Keanu Neal, FS, Florida State.
Dude please tell me you are Jerry Reese in real life!! This needs to happen2.48 (from Indianapolis) The New York Giants select Tyler Boyd, WR, Pitt
With Cruz, David Harris, and a bunch of arena league guys behind Beckham, WR is clearly a need. Boyd may not be a blazer but is ultra competitive, has Landry like hands and has the size to be the perfect complement to Beckham.
NFL.com:
COMPARISON
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BOTTOM LINE
Pittsburgh asked Boyd to be a running back and possession receiver this season, but that doesn't define what he can be in the pros. Boyd makes up for a lack of speed with vice grips for hands and being intelligent in his routes. Boyd isn't a standalone WR1, but he can be a very productive starter in a play-action attack that allows him to play to his strengths.
1.18 Shaq Lawson, DE
2.40 Cody Whitehair, OG
2.48 (from Indy) Tyler Boyd, WR, Pitt
I've only done a quick review, but the top two needs on are ILB (addressed with Ragland) and OLB. Even though the re-signed Nick Perry, it is just a 1 year deal and there are a few OLBs that are ranked around here like Kamalei Correa, Joshua Perry and Kyler Fackrell. Based on rankings, seems like Correa is both in the BPA zone and covers their next need.Can someone make the pick for me? Sorry I am traveling home right now with very bad internet access on my phone.
Sorry for the delay. Thought I would be up to pick before I left.
Packers also have a need for interior defensive linemen after Rajii unexpected retirementI've only done a quick review, but the top two needs on are ILB (addressed with Ragland) and OLB. Even though the re-signed Nick Perry, it is just a 1 year deal and there are a few OLBs that are ranked around here like Kamalei Correa, Joshua Perry and Kyler Fackrell. Based on rankings, seems like Correa is both in the BPA zone and covers their next need.
ETA: I'd recommend Correa as the pick here.
Thanks. I agree it's worked out as I've anticipated. Even better yet, 3.1 from Tenn is due shortly from the first trade down from 10 to 15. Considering the haul so far and the value still available, in the real draft I'd shop it for a 2 next year.Dude please tell me you are Jerry Reese in real life!! This needs to happen
Looking at one thing I saw which lists 3-4 vs. 4-3 in prospects, I see the next two 3-4 DTs as Austin Johnson and Kenny Clark.Packers also have a need for interior defensive linemen after Rajii unexpected retirement