Sherman is a tool (1 Viewer)

[False Start]

Oh, I got it. The kardashian reality show must be the best show of all time since it had the most viewers of any show ever.

You provided some facts, unfortunately those facts don't come remotely close to proving what you were trying to say, hence the very similar kardashian analogy. You love eminem, we get it.

Since this thread is destroyed and a total joke, lets see if that is so.

1) The Kardashians did not or does not have the most viewers of any show ever. I'll spare you the quick Google search that proves that.

2) I do not like Eminem, but based of all the information I have and my understanding of music and what I would consider the greatest rapper ever, he is the guy. He is also a tool like Sherman.

It's OK for people you have different views. You just come off confrontational and combative, not wanting a discussion but wanting everyone to see it your way and agree with you. Next time you say the majority of people would disagree about something, be prepared to have that discussion.

 

[fredsavage]

MC Hammer and Will Smith sit very high and above Dre, Snoop, Fugees, Nas, Wu-Tang, etc.. on album sales list which invalidates this statistic as a measure of talent.

Moving on..

 

[False Start]

MC Hammer and Will Smith sit very high and above Dre, Snoop, Fugees, Nas, Wu-Tang, etc.. on album sales list which invalidates this statistic as a measure of talent.

Moving on..

No one said it is the only measure, just a factor. Airplay, sales, popularity, personal opinion of talent, credibility and Grammys and other awards are all factors. The greatest rapper ever is subjective and an opinion anyways. The point is you cant just assume a white rapper isnt the greatest ever.

 

[ghostguy123]

Saying eminem is the best rapper ever because of album sales is like saying Tebow is the best qb ever because he sold the most jerseys.

he is ur favorite, we get it. He isn't the best.

And speaking of albums, who buys albums??? It's more like cheap downloads and itunes or whatever. Things that were not available back in the day when people had no choice but to buy cassettes and CDs, and thek make copies for their friends on 50 cent blank tapes.

Ever see the show Cribbz?? Those guys sell millions of "albums" and i have never even heard of them.

See the post above about will smith and mc hammer.

 

[ghostguy123]

MC Hammer and Will Smith sit very high and above Dre, Snoop, Fugees, Nas, Wu-Tang, etc.. on album sales list which invalidates this statistic as a measure of talent.

Moving on..

No one said it is the only measure, just a factor. Airplay, sales, popularity, personal opinion of talent, credibility and Grammys and other awards are all factors. The greatest rapper ever is subjective and an opinion anyways. The point is you cant just assume a white rapper isnt the greatest ever.

He isn't the greatest rapper ever because he isn't the greatest rapper ever, not because he is white.

Most grammys??? Jesus

 

[ghostguy123]

And for the record, I like eminem a lot. I just know he isnt the best rapper of all time. I don't even think he is the best white rapper of all time personally, at least not my favorite anyway, though I would guess most people think he is. I will take the beastie boys over him in a heartbeat. Yes I realize that is a group, but i also see eminem with 500 other rappers and singers in a ton of his songs.

Eminem has been very well promoted, hence the album sales and awards. Things some other much better rappers would get if they managed to stay alive longer.

 

[rdrouyn]

Even your idol Eminem does not believe that the grammys are an accurate measure of musical talent. He might have put it in other words, but the sentiment is the same.

MC Hammer and Will Smith sit very high and above Dre, Snoop, Fugees, Nas, Wu-Tang, etc.. on album sales list which invalidates this statistic as a measure of talent.

Moving on..

No one said it is the only measure, just a factor. Airplay, sales, popularity, personal opinion of talent, credibility and Grammys and other awards are all factors. The greatest rapper ever is subjective and an opinion anyways. The point is you cant just assume a white rapper isnt the greatest ever.

 

[Somebody]

IMO Sherman is the best rapper of all time.

 

[Hoss Style]

MC Hammer and Will Smith sit very high and above Dre, Snoop, Fugees, Nas, Wu-Tang, etc.. on album sales list which invalidates this statistic as a measure of talent.

Moving on..

No one said it is the only measure, just a factor. Airplay, sales, popularity, personal opinion of talent, credibility and Grammys and other awards are all factors. The greatest rapper ever is subjective and an opinion anyways. The point is you cant just assume a white rapper isnt the greatest ever.

He isn't the greatest rapper ever because he isn't the greatest rapper ever, not because he is white.

Most grammys??? Jesus

I agree with you, but still:



(blame Skypager)

 

[False Start]

MC Hammer and Will Smith sit very high and above Dre, Snoop, Fugees, Nas, Wu-Tang, etc.. on album sales list which invalidates this statistic as a measure of talent.

Moving on..

No one said it is the only measure, just a factor. Airplay, sales, popularity, personal opinion of talent, credibility and Grammys and other awards are all factors. The greatest rapper ever is subjective and an opinion anyways. The point is you cant just assume a white rapper isnt the greatest ever.

Even your idol Eminem does not believe that the grammys are an accurate measure of musical talent. He might have put it in other words, but the sentiment is the same.

Its funny that is your takeaway even after I made the bolded comment and finish off with saying "The point is". If the things I said do not factor into someones opinion of the greatest Rapper ever, what does? The Grammys factor or any Awards factor was a list of many things I suggested to a list I would compose. As far as Eminem, he has performed and appeared at the Grammys many times. But this isnt about the Grammys, its about "AWARDS" being factored into any list of greatness. So if Album Sales and Awards do not matter for one to have an opinion on the best Rapper ever, what factors matter? I listed other things. I hope someone won't tell me personal opinion of talent has nothing to do with it.

I can see some on this site just like to argue when someone makes a reasonable response to one of their attempts at trolling. Talking to some in this thread is like trying talk to a Helen Keller.

 

[JuniorNB]

It's impossible to name a definite 'best rapper', but Eminem is certainly in the team picture.

 

[CapnJB]

If nothing else, Sherman has taught us that people like to argue for no apparent reason.

 

[ghostguy123]

Eminems "awards" are like current s QBs and passing yards compared to the passing yards of much better QBs in the past.

Here is something I bet would be very interesting. If you listed the top 20 rappers or so in a poll and asked "who is the best of all time", I think Eminem would probably get the most votes.

However, a poll like that would be pretty flawed. Eminem has a style much more unique than pretty much every other top rapper. Some people who like styles other than his might pick Tupac, Biggie, Snoop...................among others, but just using these three for this example. Those votes will be spread out among each other.

Now, if you did a another poll where you took eminem and put him head to head against the rapper with the 2nd or 3rd or 4th number of votes on that list, he will get more votes than Eminem. The same people who picked eminem before will still pick him, but if Tupac and Biggie are removed from that list, then a huge majority of the people who picked them would pick Snoop when put head to head with eminem.

Oh yeah, False, you mentioned a few posts ago saying that I seem to think that it's not possible for a white rapper to be the best ever. Any particular reasoning for that?? What on Earth have I ever said about anything that would lead you to believe that I don't feel it's possible for a white rapper to be the best ever?

 

[False Start]

Your initial comment and my response.

Best rapper is white? I can't imagine too many people agree there.

Eminem is the #1 selling Hip-Hop/Rap artist of All-time and no other Hip-Hop/Rap artist comes close. He has 2 of the Top 4 selling Hip Hop/Rap albums in history. Not saying he is the best but more would agree than you think. This is an excerpt from his Wikipedia page below.

After you argued with me and mocked me about my response.

Here is something I bet would be very interesting. If you listed the top 20 rappers or so in a poll and asked "who is the best of all time", I think Eminem would probably get the most votes.

Which is it?

 

[Chaka]

Holy ####!

 

[ghostguy123]

Your initial comment and my response.

Best rapper is white? I can't imagine too many people agree there.

Eminem is the #1 selling Hip-Hop/Rap artist of All-time and no other Hip-Hop/Rap artist comes close. He has 2 of the Top 4 selling Hip Hop/Rap albums in history. Not saying he is the best but more would agree than you think. This is an excerpt from his Wikipedia page below.

After you argued with me and mocked me about my response.

Here is something I bet would be very interesting. If you listed the top 20 rappers or so in a poll and asked "who is the best of all time", I think Eminem would probably get the most votes.

Which is it?

I said not too many agree the best rapper is white. That means the best rapper isnt white. That doesnt mean the best rapper cant be white. Amazing how you took that as some sort of racist comment.

As for the second part, clearly, you didnt read the rest as to why that exact type of poll would be flawed. Maybe it doesnt matter anyway. Based on your posts I doubt you would understand that anyway.

A more accurate poll would be..........."Is Eminem the best rapper of all time", with two answers of YES and NO. Large marjority going to say NO to that.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Lol at this thread.

Shut. It. Down.

 

[Hang 10]

Nonsense. This thread is only a couple pages away from everyone agreeing.

 

[JuniorNB]

Just to prove that I'm not a racist, I can't positively proclaim that Richard Sherman is the best corner in the league, but I can say that the best corner in the league is black.

 

[False Start]

Just to prove that I'm not a racist, I can't positively proclaim that Richard Sherman is the best corner in the league, but I can say that the best corner in the league is black.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Mods -- Please move this to the Rap & Hip Hop Forum.

 

[CapnJB]

Sherman writes for MMQB on SI.com and this was his latest. Not a bad read.

10 Things I Learned After America Learned About Me

 

[monessen]

He hired a camera crew to interview fans in New Orleans last year and ask people if he was better than Darrell Revis?

Well, then, any negative perceptions of him are problems we experience and none of his doing. What is wrong with us? Why can't we see who he truly is?

Thanks for the link! The dude is unintentionally hilarious.

 

[johnadams]

Sherman writes for MMQB on SI.com and this was his latest. Not a bad read.

10 Things I Learned After America Learned About Me

Is Sherman really this clueless? If I didn't know better, I would have thought it was published by The Onion. WOW.

 

[Chaka]

As alway Colbert nailed it.

 

[Neofight]

What this thread needs is a video of Eminem with dreads screaming into the camera that he is the greatest hip hop artist of all time while eating Skittles.

 

[Neofight]

He hired a camera crew to interview fans in New Orleans last year and ask people if he was better than Darrell Revis?

Well, then, any negative perceptions of him are problems we experience and none of his doing. What is wrong with us? Why can't we see who he truly is?

Thanks for the link! The dude is unintentionally hilarious.

Unintentional irony trumps unintentional hilarity.

 

[ghostguy123]

 

[Wingnut]

Sherman said Manning's passes will be accurate and on time, but he throws ducks.

 

[CapnJB]

Sherman said Manning's passes will be accurate and on time, but he throws ducks.

“I do throw ducks,” Manning said. “I’ve thrown a lot of yards and touchdown ducks, so I’m actually quite proud of it.”

 

[Dinkle Heimer]

Superman shoe wearing Cam Newton punking dance mimicking guy doesn't appreciate other player's antics:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/10376806/nfl-playoffs-colin-kaepernick-calls-richard-sherman-behavior-ridiculous?ex_cid=espnapi_internal+-via

 

[ghostguy123]

What, you want sherman to lie and say manning throws the best spirals in the league?

 

[Neofight]

Superman shoe wearing Cam Newton punking dance mimicking guy doesn't appreciate other player's antics:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/10376806/nfl-playoffs-colin-kaepernick-calls-richard-sherman-behavior-ridiculous?ex_cid=espnapi_internal+-via

This belongs in the Kaepernick thread but since you put it here, this was the rationale that was most laughable:

"If I throw that ball one foot farther, it's a TD, and now you're the goat, Richard Sherman," Kaepernick said.

It's telling that he waits a week and a half to respond to something done in the heat of the moment and this is what he comes up with.

 

[MDSkinner]

What, you want sherman to lie and say manning throws the best spirals in the league?

Honestly, it would probably have been smarter for him not to have said anything in that particular spot. But it is certainly not an overwhelmingly controversial statement.

 

[Hoodoo]

Sounds like he's trying to bait Manning into coming after him. I guess it's great that he's that confident, but be careful what you wish for...

 

[Hooper31]

Sounds like he's trying to bait Manning into coming after him. I guess it's great that he's that confident, but be careful what you wish for...

Bait Manning? Color me shocked that you're under the impression that this "comment" is something he said this week. The reality is that it wasn't said, but written over a month ago. Never shocked when I see a member of the media trying to "create" a story.

LINK

For those that won't bother to look, its a blog post where Sherman gives his opinion about "The Smartest Quarterbacks in the NFL". He lists Manning as #1. The last line in his glowing analysis of Manning is the piece that someone tried to make a story out of.

 

[Wingnut]

Superman shoe wearing Cam Newton punking dance mimicking guy doesn't appreciate other player's antics:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/10376806/nfl-playoffs-colin-kaepernick-calls-richard-sherman-behavior-ridiculous?ex_cid=espnapi_internal+-via

This belongs in the Kaepernick thread but since you put it here, this was the rationale that was most laughable:

"If I throw that ball one foot farther, it's a TD, and now you're the goat, Richard Sherman," Kaepernick said.

It's telling that he waits a week and a half to respond to something done in the heat of the moment and this is what he comes up with.

I saw it as being quiet for a week and a half and taking the loss like a man...the day after the loss Kaep was back on the practice field going to work...and never said a word about anything...but at the super bowl media frenzy anything goes...and he's allowed to say whatever he wants...he's actually said a few things about Sherman...http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/colin-kaepernick-blasts-richard-sherman--says-he-s-a--big-broncos-fan--this-week-173544521.html

 

[ghostguy123]

Sounds like Kap runs his mouth even more than Sherman.

 

[Wingnut]

Sounds like Kap runs his mouth even more than Sherman.

Maybe he's trying to get into Sherms head before the big game.ETA I'm pretty sure he was being asked questions abiut Sherman...its not like he just started firing verbal bullets out of nowhere...either way I wish he wouldn't give Sherman any ammo for next year but I'm also glad he's not afraid to challenge him by doing so.

 

[ghostguy123]

Sounds like Kap runs his mouth even more than Sherman.

Maybe he's trying to get into Sherms head before the big game.

That would be a strange thing to do for a guy who isn't playing, but, who knows.

 

[Neofight]

Superman shoe wearing Cam Newton punking dance mimicking guy doesn't appreciate other player's antics:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/10376806/nfl-playoffs-colin-kaepernick-calls-richard-sherman-behavior-ridiculous?ex_cid=espnapi_internal+-via

This belongs in the Kaepernick thread but since you put it here, this was the rationale that was most laughable:

"If I throw that ball one foot farther, it's a TD, and now you're the goat, Richard Sherman," Kaepernick said.

It's telling that he waits a week and a half to respond to something done in the heat of the moment and this is what he comes up with.

I saw it as being quiet for a week and a half and taking the loss like a man...the day after the loss Kaep was back on the practice field going to work...and never said a word about anything...but at the super bowl media frenzy anything goes...and he's allowed to say whatever he wants...he's actually said a few things about Sherman...http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/colin-kaepernick-blasts-richard-sherman--says-he-s-a--big-broncos-fan--this-week-173544521.html

Of course he's allowed to say anything he wants, or nothing at all. My observation was that given the intervening time you would hope he would come up with something of value to say. The quote I posted actually makes him sound bad, the others are merely silly.

 

[Alkahsu]

Sounds like Kap runs his mouth even more than Sherman.

Maybe he's trying to get into Sherms head before the big game.ETA I'm pretty sure he was being asked questions abiut Sherman...its not like he just started firing verbal bullets out of nowhere...either way I wish he wouldn't give Sherman any ammo for next year but I'm also glad he's not afraid to challenge him by doing so.

I hope Kap puts his money where his mouth is and challenges Sherm next year. Gotta love those easy picks.

 

[Wingnut]

Lol...he didn't seem scared to throw Sherman's way when a trip to the super bowl was on the line at the end of the game. Like he's said multiple times, he will take that one on one matchup every time.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Lol...he didn't seem scared to throw Sherman's way when a trip to the super bowl was on the line at the end of the game. Like he's said multiple times, he will take that one on one matchup every time.

And he will throw an interception bruh.....have fun watching the Super Bowl.

Go Hawks

 

[Wingnut]

Lol...he didn't seem scared to throw Sherman's way when a trip to the super bowl was on the line at the end of the game. Like he's said multiple times, he will take that one on one matchup every time.

And he will throw an interception bruh.....have fun watching the Super Bowl.Go Hawks

I will. As much fun as I've had every year. Just because my team isn't in it doesn't mean I won't enjoy it, #### tard. Go Broncos.

 

[Wingnut]

Hey ITS...you know where I was last year when the 49ers were about to play in the super bowl? Hint: it wasn't in threads commenting on posts Falcon fans made. I had better things to do.

Later, bruh.

 

[cacksman]

Lol...he didn't seem scared to throw Sherman's way when a trip to the super bowl was on the line at the end of the game. Like he's said multiple times, he will take that one on one matchup every time.

And some people will never learn. How many mistakes can one QB ignorantly make?

 

[Wingnut]

Lol...he didn't seem scared to throw Sherman's way when a trip to the super bowl was on the line at the end of the game. Like he's said multiple times, he will take that one on one matchup every time.

And some people will never learn. How many mistakes can one QB ignorantly make?

I dunno...how many feathers can get ruffled in one thread? Quite a few apparently.And where's Sweeney?

 

[Alkahsu]

Lol...he didn't seem scared to throw Sherman's way when a trip to the super bowl was on the line at the end of the game. Like he's said multiple times, he will take that one on one matchup every time.

Not scared, but certainly stupid....but that's not news.

 

[Wingnut]