Shooting At Aurora, Colorado Movie Theater (1 Viewer)

[Daywalker]

Well just checking back in from this morning and as predicted, the thread has gone off the track.Crazy person did a crazy thing--no way to stop it if a mental health professionals didn't catch it at some time in their life.I am in Colorado Springs (native of 43 years) and frankly this State has been through enough in the last 60 days. I went to the 12:10 pm showing of Batman today with my family. The theater was not full. I didn't even flinch at going, but there was one guy that came in alone and had a large duffle bag. I admit, I kept my eyes on him as he sat 3 rows in front of us. However, as we left, there was a guy standing in the doorway all dressed in military black garb fully armed guarding the entrance--I saw two guns at least.I predict you will see metal detectors in some theaters soon or bag checks. None of which would have changed this event, but you can see theaters taking advanage of this to "weed out" people bringing in outside candy, drinks.Just a sad, sad day here again in Colorado....

I predict you wont

Last thing the studios want is to disway anyone from going to the theater. Concessions mean nothing to them. Would think if an AMC tried to implement something like that the studios would threaten to withhold their movies.

 

[ATC1]

We simply don't have a mechanism for deciding that one convict is 100% guilty while another is 90% guilty. I don't see how such a system would work. I'd have no issue torturing this specific freak, but it would lead to many innocents being tortured as well.

One innocent for the life of 12 innocent victims.

Not sure I understood your post, but if the gov. were allowed to torture all convicted murderers, I'm sure the count of wrongly convicted tortured would eventually go over 12. While we can tell the difference between a guy like this that definitely did it, and someone who probably did it (some doubt but not necessarily reasonable doubt), I don't have the first idea how you put it into writing and enforce it. And creating two classes of guilty people is going down a strange road.

Mot all criminals, but in the case of senseless mass killings like Arizona, VA Tech and last night... If tourturing the VA Tech psycho, it could have possibly prevented the senseless killing last night.

 

[identikit]

Man leaves baby, family behind and drives away

Dad Leaves Baby on Floor During Aurora Theater Shooting and Drives Away

In the panic and chaos of the Aurora, Colorado theater shooting, a man earned instant infamy as he left his wounded fiancée and children in the theater and drove off without them.

It all started when father Jamie Rohrs says they arrived a little late and originally planned to sit where James Eagan Holmes entered. Instead, they opted for a second floor balcony. When the shooting started, Rohrs said he was holding his infant, Ethan, and started running and dodging other panicked theater goers. He originally thought about playing dead by lying on the ground with his baby, but little Ethan was crying and Rohrs told ABC News, "He's crying and they're going to come get me."

Rohrs believed that there was more than one shooter at first, which is quite understandable. Holmes used .233 semiautomatic rifle, two 40 caliber Glocks, and a Remington 870 shotgun in the mass attack. All four guns were purchased legally at Bass Pro Shop Gander Mountain, both national chain sporting goods stores.

Rohrs said he became disoriented after putting his baby down and after running around the theater, couldn't find his child again. Instead of going back and looking for him, the man continued to run outside. He didn't stop there, though. In his highly panicked stated, he hopped in his car and drove off.

Meanwhile, his fiancée Patricia Legarreta had a shrapnel injury from her thigh to her ankle. She was lying on the floor when she saw her baby. She picked him up, grabbed her daughter, Azeria's hand, and ran as fast as she could out of the theater. 4-year-old Azeria had been asleep when the shooting started.

Rohrs apparently felt remorse and a bit of self-loathing when he realized he was alone in the car and Legarreta called him from someone else's phone to find out where he was. He turned back, reuniting with his family before all were taken to the hospital and later released.

For Rohrs to go public and tell the world that he essentially abandoned his family in a deadly theater shooting shows surprising lack of self-awareness and accountability. Sure, he felt bad about leaving his fiancée and children to fend for themselves, but what kind of parent thinks of himself before thinking of his child? What kind of a man pulls a George Costanza by running away instead of making sure his family is safe?

What do you think? Is Jamie Rohrs a coward for leaving his family at the theater?

©2012 Reno Berkeley for Gather News.

 

[Drifter]

Crazy person did a crazy thing--no way to stop it if a mental health professionals didn't catch it at some time in their life.

The guy is not crazy.

Really?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Man leaves baby, family behind and drives away

Good lord.

 

[Clifford]

You guys realize there are other weapons out there than guns, right?

Yeah they're are so many mass stabbings...

 

[placebo]

We simply don't have a mechanism for deciding that one convict is 100% guilty while another is 90% guilty. I don't see how such a system would work. I'd have no issue torturing this specific freak, but it would lead to many innocents being tortured as well.

One innocent for the life of 12 innocent victims.

Not sure I understood your post, but if the gov. were allowed to torture all convicted murderers, I'm sure the count of wrongly convicted tortured would eventually go over 12. While we can tell the difference between a guy like this that definitely did it, and someone who probably did it (some doubt but not necessarily reasonable doubt), I don't have the first idea how you put it into writing and enforce it. And creating two classes of guilty people is going down a strange road.

Mot all criminals, but in the case of senseless mass killings like Arizona, VA Tech and last night... If tourturing the VA Tech psycho, it could have possibly prevented the senseless killing last night.

I'd like to agree but I'm just not sure how you implement such a thing. And I'm not sure it would be an effective deterrent anyway. The VT killer committed suicide, if this killer knew he was facing torture he might have done the same while still committing the act.

 

[Clifford]

How is our government torturing people not going to reinforce the accePtance of cruelty and devaluation of human life?

 

[Shooter McGavin]

We simply don't have a mechanism for deciding that one convict is 100% guilty while another is 90% guilty. I don't see how such a system would work. I'd have no issue torturing this specific freak, but it would lead to many innocents being tortured as well.

One innocent for the life of 12 innocent victims.

Not sure I understood your post, but if the gov. were allowed to torture all convicted murderers, I'm sure the count of wrongly convicted tortured would eventually go over 12. While we can tell the difference between a guy like this that definitely did it, and someone who probably did it (some doubt but not necessarily reasonable doubt), I don't have the first idea how you put it into writing and enforce it. And creating two classes of guilty people is going down a strange road.

Mot all criminals, but in the case of senseless mass killings like Arizona, VA Tech and last night... If tourturing the VA Tech psycho, it could have possibly prevented the senseless killing last night.

This is completely asinine. How can you not understand that there is no punishment severe enough to be a deterrent to people who are so unhinged and/or don't care if they live or die that would prevent them from carrying out these kinds of horrific crimes? People still kill people even where the price of getting caught is death. I can't believe it's a controversial position to take that any possible steps to prevent weapons that allow people to discharge a large number of rounds in a very short period of time, which serve no purpose other than shooting a lot of people as quickly as possible, from being sold or possessed by private citizens. Hiding behind the second amendment is bull####. That was written in a time when you had one or two shots and it took a minute to reload. No private citizen has any legitimate need for that kind of weapon or a clip that holds 100 rounds. Are you ever going to totally eradicate random senseless violence? Probably not, but at least make it difficult to obtain these weapons of mass carnage.

 

[ATC1]

We simply don't have a mechanism for deciding that one convict is 100% guilty while another is 90% guilty. I don't see how such a system would work. I'd have no issue torturing this specific freak, but it would lead to many innocents being tortured as well.

One innocent for the life of 12 innocent victims.

Not sure I understood your post, but if the gov. were allowed to torture all convicted murderers, I'm sure the count of wrongly convicted tortured would eventually go over 12. While we can tell the difference between a guy like this that definitely did it, and someone who probably did it (some doubt but not necessarily reasonable doubt), I don't have the first idea how you put it into writing and enforce it. And creating two classes of guilty people is going down a strange road.

Mot all criminals, but in the case of senseless mass killings like Arizona, VA Tech and last night... If tourturing the VA Tech psycho, it could have possibly prevented the senseless killing last night.

This is completely asinine. How can you not understand that there is no punishment severe enough to be a deterrent to people who are so unhinged and/or don't care if they live or die that would prevent them from carrying out these kinds of horrific crimes? People still kill people even where the price of getting caught is death. I can't believe it's a controversial position to take that any possible steps to prevent weapons that allow people to discharge a large number of rounds in a very short period of time, which serve no purpose other than shooting a lot of people as quickly as possible, from being sold or possessed by private citizens. Hiding behind the second amendment is bull####. That was written in a time when you had one or two shots and it took a minute to reload. No private citizen has any legitimate need for that kind of weapon or a clip that holds 100 rounds. Are you ever going to totally eradicate random senseless violence? Probably not, but at least make it difficult to obtain these weapons of mass carnage.

I agree with the high capacity mags, although I was taught how to change a mag without needing to stop firing. I'm sure criminals can do the same.As far as the deterrent. There has to be a reason why Clifford keeps saying America has it all wrong. He claims there is never mass killing like this in other parts of the world. What deterent do they use? Gun laws or fear?

 

[Clifford]

To me there are two ways to view this from a historical perspective:

Technology has comPlety ####ed us to the point that our society is beginning to lose all center and completely disintegrate, where constant dilution of our sense by increasingly shocking stimuli has created an environment where we produce mOre and more monsters. Like this dude.

We are actually progressing as a society away from barbarism and the proof lies in history, in the cruel excesses of Rome, slavery, supression of various races and the female gender. #### like this is actually less common than it used to be when viewed with a wide lens.

As much as I want to see this ####er flayed, it would only advance our national decline.

 

[CrossEyed]

Man leaves baby, family behind and drives away

Good lord.

Saw these folks on CNN tonight. He asked her to marry him at the hospital and she said yes. Her bar must have been set pretty low.

 

[gandalas]

But that statement is completely irrelevant to this discussion where it appears an otherwise fine citizen (presumably then qualified to obtain a gun under the strictest regulations) undertook a very in depth plan (so in depth and premeditated it appears a few regulatory laws wouldn't have stopped him).

A regulatory law against private ownership of assault weapons wouldn't have made ANY difference whatsoever?

Assault rifles are already banned for private ownership without a class-3 license.

 

[Daywalker]

Man leaves baby, family behind and drives away

Good lord.

Saw these folks on CNN tonight. He asked her to marry him at the hospital and she said yes. Her bar must have been set pretty low.

To recap:1. Took baby to midnight showing of Batman.

2. Ditched family during shootout.

3. Thought it was a good idea to propose after such a harrowing day.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Crazy person did a crazy thing--no way to stop it if a mental health professionals didn't catch it at some time in their life.

The guy is not crazy.

Really?

The shooter bought a ticket and walked into the movie theater. According to FBI sources, he left by an emergency exit, propped it open, dressed in protective black clothing and gathered weapons from his car parked behind the exit. He returned through the emergency door about half an hour into the film, dressed all in black; he was wearing a ballistic helmet, a tactical ballistic vest, ballistic leggings, a throat protector and a groin protector and a gas mask, and black tactical gloves.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Man leaves baby, family behind and drives away

Good lord.

Saw these folks on CNN tonight. He asked her to marry him at the hospital and she said yes. Her bar must have been set pretty low.

To recap:1. Took baby to midnight showing of Batman.

2. Ditched family during shootout.

3. Thought it was a good idea to propose after such a harrowing day.

Compare him to another guy who saw the gunman advancing toward the exit and blocked his progress by holding the exit shut while the attacker pounded the other side of the door.

 

[Drifter]

Crazy person did a crazy thing--no way to stop it if a mental health professionals didn't catch it at some time in their life.

The guy is not crazy.

Really?

The shooter bought a ticket and walked into the movie theater. According to FBI sources, he left by an emergency exit, propped it open, dressed in protective black clothing and gathered weapons from his car parked behind the exit. He returned through the emergency door about half an hour into the film, dressed all in black; he was wearing a ballistic helmet, a tactical ballistic vest, ballistic leggings, a throat protector and a groin protector and a gas mask, and black tactical gloves.

Crazy does not mean unable to calculate.

 

[Fennis]

Man leaves baby, family behind and drives away

Good lord.

Saw these folks on CNN tonight. He asked her to marry him at the hospital and she said yes. Her bar must have been set pretty low.

change your mind on gay marriage?

 

[tdoss]

I know it's gonna come off cold-hearted but I am so dreading a number of things that this incident will cause:

The politics that will be stirred up and wrung out of this is gonna be maddening. Universal Healthcare (mental, namely), gun control, race relations, etc.

I'm already sick of hearing how the Broncos are playing to bring some peace, sanity and a little bit of joy back to the area and we haven't even started the season.

Everything media, news, and entertainment will be using this for their own gain in the coming weeks, months...and we'll just gobble it right up.

Carry on with your normal programming...I just had to get that out of my system.

 

[tdoss]

How is our government torturing people not going to reinforce the accePtance of cruelty and devaluation of human life?

At first I thought putting this guy in death row is too good for him...so, I thought...put him in a cell with a camera pointed at him. Create a website where you pay to become a member. You can view him at all hours of the day or night. For an extra nominal fee...you a can click a button that will zap the heavy duty shock collar around his neck...day or night. Family members of the victims get lifetime free memberships. His shower is in the cell, his toilet is in the cell...he never leaves and the light is always on for the camera.But then I thought...we can't be torturing people...but if we ever did...I should be on the board of directors. So...my answer to such an open and shut case (and no...I do not give a damn about mental capacity or lack thereof for such a crime)...I'd just dig a deep hole...toss him in and give the family members shovels.Simple...no need to prolong this nonsense or have him sit on death row sucking from the teat for years...just a hole and some dirt. Put a gravestone on the hole when it's full and start digging the next hole.

 

[Rayderr]

But that statement is completely irrelevant to this discussion where it appears an otherwise fine citizen (presumably then qualified to obtain a gun under the strictest regulations) undertook a very in depth plan (so in depth and premeditated it appears a few regulatory laws wouldn't have stopped him).

A regulatory law against private ownership of assault weapons wouldn't have made ANY difference whatsoever?

Does the guy who just killed 12 people, wounded 58 more and rigged his apartment with chemical and incendiary devices really seem like he would've been concerned with following the law?

 

[glvsav37]

Police arrived at Holmes' apartment to find "techno-music" blaring from the one-bedroom, according to a law enforcement source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The music was on a timer and apparently started once he left for the movie theater, said the source, who was not authorized to release details of the investigation to the media.

Linkjust heard this on the news. seems this guy was trying to get someone to open the door and trip the traps. Making comparisons to the Sweden killer who set off a bomb to distract police.

 

[pantherclub]

Has anyone said why or figured out why the dude was just standing by his car when he got caught? Seemed to me he could have either escaped or gone to the front to kill more.

 

[NJ]

Man leaves baby, family behind and drives away

I've obviously never been in this situation so I don't think I have any right to condemn this guy, but I cannot imagine any scenario where I'm leaving that theatre without my kids.

 

[snogger]

If there is no doubt that the guy they have is the one that did this, he should be put to death tomorrow.

who would you like to see make the decision that the guy should be put to death tomorrow?

The families of the victims. I understand some of the complaints against the death penalty when some people are put on death row not based on HARD evidence..But when we are 100% sure someone did it, there is absolutely no reason that the death penalty shouldn't be used within 1 year of the time they commit the act.

 

[Christo]

It appears that he is not cooperating with police. If we weren't such a ####ified nation it would be, Ok, mfer, meet the waterboard.

### #### constitution

This turd lost his rights.

 

[Christo]

Crazy person did a crazy thing--no way to stop it if a mental health professionals didn't catch it at some time in their life.

The guy is not crazy.

 

[snogger]

You guys realize there are other weapons out there than guns, right?

Yeah they're are so many mass stabbings...

umm yes there are.. Let's start with China

Psycho people are going to do Psycho things.. Stricter gun control would not have stopped this psycho from killing people. All you have to do is read/watch the news to see he had setup bombs in his apartment hoping to kill even more people.

 

[snogger]

Has anyone said why or figured out why the dude was just standing by his car when he got caught? Seemed to me he could have either escaped or gone to the front to kill more.

Not full stories.. Speculation was he headed out there to reload.. Didn't figure on the cops being there in 90 seconds.. to the cops for stopping him before he had the chance.

 

[Christo]

Crazy person did a crazy thing--no way to stop it if a mental health professionals didn't catch it at some time in their life.

The guy is not crazy.

Really?

The shooter bought a ticket and walked into the movie theater. According to FBI sources, he left by an emergency exit, propped it open, dressed in protective black clothing and gathered weapons from his car parked behind the exit. He returned through the emergency door about half an hour into the film, dressed all in black; he was wearing a ballistic helmet, a tactical ballistic vest, ballistic leggings, a throat protector and a groin protector and a gas mask, and black tactical gloves.

Silly me, I read that thinking you were going to try to explain how the guy is not crazy.

 

[snogger]

Crazy person did a crazy thing--no way to stop it if a mental health professionals didn't catch it at some time in their life.

The guy is not crazy.

I think people are having a problem differentiating between "crazy/psycho" and "Mentally ill".This guy is crazy aka Psychobut he is NOT Mentally ill.

 

[Christo]

Crazy person did a crazy thing--no way to stop it if a mental health professionals didn't catch it at some time in their life.

The guy is not crazy.

I think people are having a problem differentiating between "crazy/psycho" and "Mentally ill".This guy is crazy aka Psychobut he is NOT Mentally ill.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Crazy person did a crazy thing--no way to stop it if a mental health professionals didn't catch it at some time in their life.

The guy is not crazy.

I think people are having a problem differentiating between "crazy/psycho" and "Mentally ill".This guy is crazy aka Psychobut he is NOT Mentally ill.

 

[snogger]

Crazy person did a crazy thing--no way to stop it if a mental health professionals didn't catch it at some time in their life.

The guy is not crazy.

I think people are having a problem differentiating between "crazy/psycho" and "Mentally ill".This guy is crazy aka Psycho

but he is NOT Mentally ill.

Really?? What is to you? He knew what he was doing was wrong and planned it..MostMentally ill people do not have the capability to understand the difference between right and wrong.

Here this might help

Those who commit mass murders are often angry and isolated, but usually aren't mentally ill, violence experts said Friday after a shooting during the midnight screening of "The Dark Knight Rises" in an Aurora, Colo., movie theater. James Holmes was arrested as a suspect in the shooting that killed 12 people and wounded 59 others.

“It takes a certain degree of clear-headedness to plan and execute a crime like this,” said James Alan Fox, a criminal justice professor at Northeastern University in Boston, who has written several books on mass murder and school violence.

 

[mr roboto]

Crazy person did a crazy thing--no way to stop it if a mental health professionals didn't catch it at some time in their life.

The guy is not crazy.

I think people are having a problem differentiating between "crazy/psycho" and "Mentally ill".This guy is crazy aka Psycho

but he is NOT Mentally ill.

Really?? What is to you? He knew what he was doing was wrong and planned it.. Mentally ill people do not of the capability to understand the difference between right and wrong.

Here this might help

Well the lack of remorse and standard empathy would lead to many a clinical diagnosis. So yes, a person who shoots dozens of innocent people is mentally ill.

 

[mr roboto]

So planning = definitely not mentally ill? Is bi-polar disorder a mental illness? Because I'm pretty sure they can plan things.

Eating disorders, gender identity disorders, mild forms of depression etc. are all mental illnesses. You are totally wrong.

 

[snogger]

Crazy person did a crazy thing--no way to stop it if a mental health professionals didn't catch it at some time in their life.

The guy is not crazy.

I think people are having a problem differentiating between "crazy/psycho" and "Mentally ill".This guy is crazy aka Psycho

but he is NOT Mentally ill.

Really?? What is to you? He knew what he was doing was wrong and planned it.. Mentally ill people do not of the capability to understand the difference between right and wrong.

Here this might help

Well the lack of remorse and standard empathy would lead to many a clinical diagnosis. So yes, a person who shoots dozens of innocent people is mentally ill.

Not if, as pointed out in that article, it is a case of "Revenge".. No matter if it was revenge against society, or certain individuals, people who are out for revenge tend not to have any remorse, and yet are not mentally ill.

Just to clarify.. This guy is a psycho.. But in no way is he "mentally ill" in regards to the law...

Maybe that is the issue some are having.

Calling a person mentally ill or finding him not guilty because he is mentally ill.

I think what a lot of us are saying is there is no way in hell this guy should be categorized with those found to be not guilty due to mental illness..

 

[snogger]

So planning = definitely not mentally ill? Is bi-polar disorder a mental illness? Because I'm pretty sure they can plan things. Eating disorders, gender identity disorders, mild forms of depression etc. are all mental illnesses. You are totally wrong.

Read my next post.. My definition, in this case, of mental illness is in regards to the law.. Nothing more, nothing less. He is NOT mentally ill as far as what many of us consider to be mentally ill when it comes to the law.Hope that clarifies it for you.

 

[identikit]

Crazy person did a crazy thing--no way to stop it if a mental health professionals didn't catch it at some time in their life.

The guy is not crazy.

I think people are having a problem differentiating between "crazy/psycho" and "Mentally ill".This guy is crazy aka Psycho

but he is NOT Mentally ill.

Really?? What is to you? He knew what he was doing was wrong and planned it.. Mentally ill people do not of the capability to understand the difference between right and wrong.

Here this might help

Well the lack of remorse and standard empathy would lead to many a clinical diagnosis. So yes, a person who shoots dozens of innocent people is mentally ill.

Not if, as pointed out in that article, it is a case of "Revenge".. No matter if it was revenge against society, or certain individuals, people who are out for revenge tend not to have any remorse, and yet are not mentally ill.

Just to clarify.. This guy is a psycho.. But in no way is he "mentally ill" in regards to the law...

Maybe that is the issue some are having.

Calling a person mentally ill or finding him not guilty because he is mentally ill.

I think what a lot of us are saying is there is no way in hell this guy should be categorized with those found to be not guilty due to mental illness..

You base this on watching TV?

 

[Christo]

Crazy person did a crazy thing--no way to stop it if a mental health professionals didn't catch it at some time in their life.

The guy is not crazy.

I think people are having a problem differentiating between "crazy/psycho" and "Mentally ill".This guy is crazy aka Psycho

but he is NOT Mentally ill.

Really?? What is to you? He knew what he was doing was wrong and planned it..MostMentally ill people do not have the capability to understand the difference between right and wrong.

Here this might help

Those who commit mass murders are often angry and isolated, but usually aren't mentally ill, violence experts said Friday after a shooting during the midnight screening of "The Dark Knight Rises" in an Aurora, Colo., movie theater. James Holmes was arrested as a suspect in the shooting that killed 12 people and wounded 59 others.

“It takes a certain degree of clear-headedness to plan and execute a crime like this,” said James Alan Fox, a criminal justice professor at Northeastern University in Boston, who has written several books on mass murder and school violence.

Interesting, not a single person quoted in that article said he's not mentally ill.

 

[snogger]

Crazy person did a crazy thing--no way to stop it if a mental health professionals didn't catch it at some time in their life.

The guy is not crazy.

I think people are having a problem differentiating between "crazy/psycho" and "Mentally ill".This guy is crazy aka Psycho

but he is NOT Mentally ill.

Really?? What is to you? He knew what he was doing was wrong and planned it.. Mentally ill people do not of the capability to understand the difference between right and wrong.

Here this might help

Well the lack of remorse and standard empathy would lead to many a clinical diagnosis. So yes, a person who shoots dozens of innocent people is mentally ill.

Not if, as pointed out in that article, it is a case of "Revenge".. No matter if it was revenge against society, or certain individuals, people who are out for revenge tend not to have any remorse, and yet are not mentally ill.

Just to clarify.. This guy is a psycho.. But in no way is he "mentally ill" in regards to the law...

Maybe that is the issue some are having.

Calling a person mentally ill or finding him not guilty because he is mentally ill.

I think what a lot of us are saying is there is no way in hell this guy should be categorized with those found to be not guilty due to mental illness..

You base this on watching TV?

It is like talking to a I've explained myself.. If you don't agree you don't agree.. Last I looked we ALL have the right to our own opinions and in this regard this guy is NOT mentally ill when it come to the law.

 

[mr roboto]

So planning = definitely not mentally ill? Is bi-polar disorder a mental illness? Because I'm pretty sure they can plan things. Eating disorders, gender identity disorders, mild forms of depression etc. are all mental illnesses. You are totally wrong.

Read my next post.. My definition, in this case, of mental illness is in regards to the law.. Nothing more, nothing less. He is NOT mentally ill as far as what many of us consider to be mentally ill when it comes to the law.Hope that clarifies it for you.

Please clarify the meaning of 'when it comes to the law.'You mean he can't successfully use a mentally ill defense?

 

[identikit]

Crazy person did a crazy thing--no way to stop it if a mental health professionals didn't catch it at some time in their life.

The guy is not crazy.

I think people are having a problem differentiating between "crazy/psycho" and "Mentally ill".This guy is crazy aka Psycho

but he is NOT Mentally ill.

Really?? What is to you? He knew what he was doing was wrong and planned it.. Mentally ill people do not of the capability to understand the difference between right and wrong.

Here this might help

Well the lack of remorse and standard empathy would lead to many a clinical diagnosis. So yes, a person who shoots dozens of innocent people is mentally ill.

Not if, as pointed out in that article, it is a case of "Revenge".. No matter if it was revenge against society, or certain individuals, people who are out for revenge tend not to have any remorse, and yet are not mentally ill.

Just to clarify.. This guy is a psycho.. But in no way is he "mentally ill" in regards to the law...

Maybe that is the issue some are having.

Calling a person mentally ill or finding him not guilty because he is mentally ill.

I think what a lot of us are saying is there is no way in hell this guy should be categorized with those found to be not guilty due to mental illness..

You base this on watching TV?

It is like talking to a I've explained myself.. If you don't agree you don't agree.. Last I looked we ALL have the right to our own opinions and in this regard this guy is NOT mentally ill when it come to the law.

Just asking what you base your opinion on, pertaining to James Holmes.

 

[snogger]

Crazy person did a crazy thing--no way to stop it if a mental health professionals didn't catch it at some time in their life.

The guy is not crazy.

I think people are having a problem differentiating between "crazy/psycho" and "Mentally ill".This guy is crazy aka Psycho

but he is NOT Mentally ill.

Really?? What is to you? He knew what he was doing was wrong and planned it..MostMentally ill people do not have the capability to understand the difference between right and wrong.

Here this might help

Those who commit mass murders are often angry and isolated, but usually aren't mentally ill, violence experts said Friday after a shooting during the midnight screening of "The Dark Knight Rises" in an Aurora, Colo., movie theater. James Holmes was arrested as a suspect in the shooting that killed 12 people and wounded 59 others.

“It takes a certain degree of clear-headedness to plan and execute a crime like this,” said James Alan Fox, a criminal justice professor at Northeastern University in Boston, who has written several books on mass murder and school violence.

Interesting, not a single person quoted in that article said he's not mentally ill.

Done explaining myself..

 

[identikit]

Crazy person did a crazy thing--no way to stop it if a mental health professionals didn't catch it at some time in their life.

The guy is not crazy.

I think people are having a problem differentiating between "crazy/psycho" and "Mentally ill".This guy is crazy aka Psycho

but he is NOT Mentally ill.

Really?? What is to you? He knew what he was doing was wrong and planned it..MostMentally ill people do not have the capability to understand the difference between right and wrong.

Here this might help

Those who commit mass murders are often angry and isolated, but usually aren't mentally ill, violence experts said Friday after a shooting during the midnight screening of "The Dark Knight Rises" in an Aurora, Colo., movie theater. James Holmes was arrested as a suspect in the shooting that killed 12 people and wounded 59 others.

"It takes a certain degree of clear-headedness to plan and execute a crime like this," said James Alan Fox, a criminal justice professor at Northeastern University in Boston, who has written several books on mass murder and school violence.

Interesting, not a single person quoted in that article said he's not mentally ill.

Done explaining myself..

Never really started.But bye.

 

[snogger]

Man leaves baby, family behind and drives away

Good lord.

Saw these folks on CNN tonight. He asked her to marry him at the hospital and she said yes. Her bar must have been set pretty low.

To recap:1. Took baby to midnight showing of Batman.

2. Ditched family during shootout.

3. Thought it was a good idea to propose after such a harrowing day.

As my wife said "sounds like they deserve each other"

 

[Arizona Ron]

Crazy person did a crazy thing--no way to stop it if a mental health professionals didn't catch it at some time in their life.

The guy is not crazy.

I think people are having a problem differentiating between "crazy/psycho" and "Mentally ill".This guy is crazy aka Psycho

but he is NOT Mentally ill.

Really?? What is to you? He knew what he was doing was wrong and planned it.. Mentally ill people do not of the capability to understand the difference between right and wrong.

Here this might help

Well the lack of remorse and standard empathy would lead to many a clinical diagnosis. So yes, a person who shoots dozens of innocent people is mentally ill.

Snogger, Read up on sociopaths

 

[Christo]

Crazy person did a crazy thing--no way to stop it if a mental health professionals didn't catch it at some time in their life.

The guy is not crazy.

I think people are having a problem differentiating between "crazy/psycho" and "Mentally ill".This guy is crazy aka Psycho

but he is NOT Mentally ill.

Really?? What is to you? He knew what he was doing was wrong and planned it.. Mentally ill people do not of the capability to understand the difference between right and wrong.

Here this might help

Well the lack of remorse and standard empathy would lead to many a clinical diagnosis. So yes, a person who shoots dozens of innocent people is mentally ill.

Not if, as pointed out in that article, it is a case of "Revenge".. No matter if it was revenge against society, or certain individuals, people who are out for revenge tend not to have any remorse, and yet are not mentally ill.

Just to clarify.. This guy is a psycho.. But in no way is he "mentally ill" in regards to the law...

Maybe that is the issue some are having.

Calling a person mentally ill or finding him not guilty because he is mentally ill.

I think what a lot of us are saying is there is no way in hell this guy should be categorized with those found to be not guilty due to mental illness..

If you're going to to throw around legal terms then you might as well use the proper ones. Not guilty by reason of insanity is the standard. Insanity being the lack of capacity either to appreciate the criminality of your conduct or to conform your conduct to the requirements of the law. There are a whole host of mental illnesses that don't qualify as legal insanity.

 

[Christo]

It is like talking to a

I've explained myself.. If you don't agree you don't agree.. Last I looked we ALL have the right to our own opinions and in this regard this guy is NOT mentally ill when it come to the law.

That's not what you originally said.

 

[snogger]

It is like talking to a

I've explained myself.. If you don't agree you don't agree.. Last I looked we ALL have the right to our own opinions and in this regard this guy is NOT mentally ill when it come to the law.

That's not what you originally said.

I know and is why I tried to clarify it.. My bad. My Opinion from the many stories that I've read is that this guy is not mentally ill when it comes to the law..

Is he "sick in the head" in the head.. ... anyone that thinks taking innocent lives is OK has something wrong upstairs.

But in my opinion when someone spends weeks planning something like this, they also have the capability to understand the difference between right and wrong and therefore should not have the ability to use the "insanity" defense.