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Should MBIII owners be concerned (1 Viewer)
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CaptainObvious
Footballguy
No.
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
Barber had 23 carries. Felix just did more with less.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Why?
rock753
Footballguy
oddball
Smart
It still kinda amazes me how many fantasy football players are out there that think Felix is MBIII's backup.
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brednbuddah
Footballguy
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Technically he is. Barber is the 1st string RB, doesnt that make Jones the "backup"? I understand its a RBBC, but Barber is still the clear #1.It still kinda amazes me how many fantasy football players are out there that think Felix is MBIII's backup.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Actually....techincally it is Tashard Choice.Technically he is. Barber is the 1st string RB, doesnt that make Jones the "backup"? I understand its a RBBC, but Barber is still the clear #1.It still kinda amazes me how many fantasy football players are out there that think Felix is MBIII's backup.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
All the depth charts i have seen shows Jones as the #2. Who do you think would get the bulk of the carries if Barber got hurt?Actually....techincally it is Tashard Choice.Technically he is. Barber is the 1st string RB, doesnt that make Jones the "backup"? I understand its a RBBC, but Barber is still the clear #1.It still kinda amazes me how many fantasy football players are out there that think Felix is MBIII's backup.
MCguidance
Footballguy
Come on. I know you love Felix, but you're better than that.Barber has been one of the best in the league the last few season, one bad game won't tarnish that at all. Glancing at the NFL.com play by play he was stuffed on a couple of occasions and was a yard short on a couple of others. He also converted a couple 3rd and 1s with long gains of over 14 yards.The most worrisome thing should be Barbers inability to convert short yardage situations.No worries. He was held to under 100yds and 3.6 YPC by a very stingy run defense.
oddball
Smart
Tashard Choice.All the depth charts i have seen shows Jones as the #2. Who do you think would get the bulk of the carries if Barber got hurt?Actually....techincally it is Tashard Choice.Technically he is. Barber is the 1st string RB, doesnt that make Jones the "backup"? I understand its a RBBC, but Barber is still the clear #1.It still kinda amazes me how many fantasy football players are out there that think Felix is MBIII's backup.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Tashard Choice.All the depth charts i have seen shows Jones as the #2. Who do you think would get the bulk of the carries if Barber got hurt?Actually....techincally it is Tashard Choice.Technically he is. Barber is the 1st string RB, doesnt that make Jones the "backup"? I understand its a RBBC, but Barber is still the clear #1.
Hellfire Snail
Footballguy
Come on. They'd split, yeah. But come on.Tashard Choice.All the depth charts i have seen shows Jones as the #2. Who do you think would get the bulk of the carries if Barber got hurt?Actually....techincally it is Tashard Choice.Technically he is. Barber is the 1st string RB, doesnt that make Jones the "backup"? I understand its a RBBC, but Barber is still the clear #1.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
I think he was being sarcastic.Come on. They'd split, yeah. But come on.Tashard Choice.All the depth charts i have seen shows Jones as the #2. Who do you think would get the bulk of the carries if Barber got hurt?Actually....techincally it is Tashard Choice.Technically he is. Barber is the 1st string RB, doesnt that make Jones the "backup"? I understand its a RBBC, but Barber is still the clear #1.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
I'm heavily invested in MBIII (2 of 3 leagues and sub. contest) and I'm going to work on moving him in one league for sure.
Playoff schedule is flat out brutal.
Week 14 @Pitt
Week 15 NYG
Week 16 Balt
I have a hard time thinking that slate is a recipe for a championship.
Playoff schedule is flat out brutal.
Week 14 @Pitt
Week 15 NYG
Week 16 Balt
I have a hard time thinking that slate is a recipe for a championship.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Yeah, and I benched Portis today b/c of the matchup with Philly.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
I know what you're saying, but that's a death march and probably qualifies as the worst week 14-16 stretch in the league.Yeah, and I benched Portis today b/c of the matchup with Philly.
packersfan
Footballguy
How is it a RBBC when Barber is getting the significant majority of carries?
switz
Footballguy
In this last game, he was NOT good at converting short yardage situations. If you watched the game you'd see that. Take away my Felix Jones fandom, and I still say the same thing.Barber's biggest asset is he converts GL carries at an amazing rate... the fact that Cinci stuffed him a number of times in short yardage doesn't bode well... add to it that on quite a few carries he went down on the first hit... I don't know what happened to Barber... he's just not playing with the ferocity he used to...Come on. I know you love Felix, but you're better than that.Barber has been one of the best in the league the last few season, one bad game won't tarnish that at all. Glancing at the NFL.com play by play he was stuffed on a couple of occasions and was a yard short on a couple of others. He also converted a couple 3rd and 1s with long gains of over 14 yards.The most worrisome thing should be Barbers inability to convert short yardage situations.No worries. He was held to under 100yds and 3.6 YPC by a very stingy run defense.
Write it off because it's coming from me... but I'm not the only one saying it.
Hey Switz, why the dislike for mb3? I agree that felix is talented, but it just seems that you have this vendetta against mb3.
as an mb3 owner, i'm not worried. He's gonna get the touches.. no doubt. SUre felix will take a few more than mb3 owners would like, but he will still be a top 5 rb at season's end... IMHO
as an mb3 owner, i'm not worried. He's gonna get the touches.. no doubt. SUre felix will take a few more than mb3 owners would like, but he will still be a top 5 rb at season's end... IMHO
DoctorFantasy
Footballguy
Yes.... They would split carries. Choice would get the short yardage scores. Jones would get a few more long scores with additional touches. I think their values would be about even.Come on. They'd split, yeah. But come on.Tashard Choice.All the depth charts i have seen shows Jones as the #2. Who do you think would get the bulk of the carries if Barber got hurt?Actually....techincally it is Tashard Choice.Technically he is. Barber is the 1st string RB, doesnt that make Jones the "backup"? I understand its a RBBC, but Barber is still the clear #1.It still kinda amazes me how many fantasy football players are out there that think Felix is MBIII's backup.
MCguidance
Footballguy
Switz, I am not writing anything off, I never think what people say is meaningless unless they are fishing. I don't disagree with yesterday's results - as he was not at his usual conversion rate. That being said, he converted some of his short yardage tries. I watched the game, he got stuffed, but to say that this is a trend would be WAY premature. This was a singular game. If the ball is in a short yardage situation, there is no back I would rather have than Barber. This is not a knock on Felix at all - the guy is a talent. But he has a long, long way to go before he is the type of short yardage back Marion Barber is.In this last game, he was NOT good at converting short yardage situations. If you watched the game you'd see that. Take away my Felix Jones fandom, and I still say the same thing.Barber's biggest asset is he converts GL carries at an amazing rate... the fact that Cinci stuffed him a number of times in short yardage doesn't bode well... add to it that on quite a few carries he went down on the first hit... I don't know what happened to Barber... he's just not playing with the ferocity he used to...Come on. I know you love Felix, but you're better than that.Barber has been one of the best in the league the last few season, one bad game won't tarnish that at all. Glancing at the NFL.com play by play he was stuffed on a couple of occasions and was a yard short on a couple of others. He also converted a couple 3rd and 1s with long gains of over 14 yards.The most worrisome thing should be Barbers inability to convert short yardage situations.No worries. He was held to under 100yds and 3.6 YPC by a very stingy run defense.
Write it off because it's coming from me... but I'm not the only one saying it.
switz
Footballguy
I didn't say it would be a trend... but, the OP asked if MB3 owners should be worried about Jones taking away carries because he looked so explosive. My response was that IF they were worried about anything, it should be his short yardage work, since he wasn't very good. Not just against CIN, but also WAS.... the term 'most worrisome' is relative to the amount of worry anyone should have in the first place, which is very littleGuys, reality is Jones is going to get carries... some games that will take away from Barber's carries, but in most games it will not. Even against CIN, where Jones had the most work he's had this season Barber had 24 or 25 touches. The only people who should be worried about Barber losing carries to Jones are those that expected him to be the sole RB after three years of time sharing.Switz, I am not writing anything off, I never think what people say is meaningless unless they are fishing. I don't disagree with yesterday's results - as he was not at his usual conversion rate. That being said, he converted some of his short yardage tries. I watched the game, he got stuffed, but to say that this is a trend would be WAY premature. This was a singular game.In this last game, he was NOT good at converting short yardage situations. If you watched the game you'd see that. Take away my Felix Jones fandom, and I still say the same thing.Barber's biggest asset is he converts GL carries at an amazing rate... the fact that Cinci stuffed him a number of times in short yardage doesn't bode well... add to it that on quite a few carries he went down on the first hit... I don't know what happened to Barber... he's just not playing with the ferocity he used to...Come on. I know you love Felix, but you're better than that.Barber has been one of the best in the league the last few season, one bad game won't tarnish that at all. Glancing at the NFL.com play by play he was stuffed on a couple of occasions and was a yard short on a couple of others. He also converted a couple 3rd and 1s with long gains of over 14 yards.The most worrisome thing should be Barbers inability to convert short yardage situations.No worries. He was held to under 100yds and 3.6 YPC by a very stingy run defense.
Write it off because it's coming from me... but I'm not the only one saying it.
Most knew that he was going to time share to some degree again, and have no reason to worry. Barber is going to get his carries, without a doubt - no reason to worry there.
However, IF his short yardage conversion tails off... well, that IS a reason to worry... since his TDs are what's kept him in the upper echelon of FF backs. Not saying that WILL happen... but IF owners are looking for something to worry about, worry about that, NOT whether he's going to lose touches or not.
It seems like I need to explain to the level of minutia in order for people not to assume I'm saying something I'm not... I guess that's part of the territory.
I don't feel there's any real reason to worry for any Barber owner. There are things to keep an eye on, that's all.
MCguidance
Footballguy
I wouldn't have needed a more in depth, informative post if you had said that from the beginning. Because a short, "Barber owners should be worried about short yardage" is an ambiguous statement. Oh well, I actually agree with what you said in this post. Sorry that "I'm not on your level."I didn't say it would be a trend... but, the OP asked if MB3 owners should be worried about Jones taking away carries because he looked so explosive. My response was that IF they were worried about anything, it should be his short yardage work, since he wasn't very good. Not just against CIN, but also WAS.... the term 'most worrisome' is relative to the amount of worry anyone should have in the first place, which is very littleGuys, reality is Jones is going to get carries... some games that will take away from Barber's carries, but in most games it will not. Even against CIN, where Jones had the most work he's had this season Barber had 24 or 25 touches. The only people who should be worried about Barber losing carries to Jones are those that expected him to be the sole RB after three years of time sharing.Switz, I am not writing anything off, I never think what people say is meaningless unless they are fishing. I don't disagree with yesterday's results - as he was not at his usual conversion rate. That being said, he converted some of his short yardage tries. I watched the game, he got stuffed, but to say that this is a trend would be WAY premature. This was a singular game.In this last game, he was NOT good at converting short yardage situations. If you watched the game you'd see that. Take away my Felix Jones fandom, and I still say the same thing.Barber's biggest asset is he converts GL carries at an amazing rate... the fact that Cinci stuffed him a number of times in short yardage doesn't bode well... add to it that on quite a few carries he went down on the first hit... I don't know what happened to Barber... he's just not playing with the ferocity he used to...Come on. I know you love Felix, but you're better than that.Barber has been one of the best in the league the last few season, one bad game won't tarnish that at all. Glancing at the NFL.com play by play he was stuffed on a couple of occasions and was a yard short on a couple of others. He also converted a couple 3rd and 1s with long gains of over 14 yards.The most worrisome thing should be Barbers inability to convert short yardage situations.No worries. He was held to under 100yds and 3.6 YPC by a very stingy run defense.
Write it off because it's coming from me... but I'm not the only one saying it.
Most knew that he was going to time share to some degree again, and have no reason to worry. Barber is going to get his carries, without a doubt - no reason to worry there.
However, IF his short yardage conversion tails off... well, that IS a reason to worry... since his TDs are what's kept him in the upper echelon of FF backs. Not saying that WILL happen... but IF owners are looking for something to worry about, worry about that, NOT whether he's going to lose touches or not.
It seems like I need to explain to the level of minutia in order for people not to assume I'm saying something I'm not... I guess that's part of the territory.
I don't feel there's any real reason to worry for any Barber owner. There are things to keep an eye on, that's all.
switz
Footballguy
No vendetta... but, I definitely see MB3 very differently than most on this board. MB3 to me is a guy who needs to split carries to be effective, where most here feel he's a 300+ carry, 20+ TD, UBER STUD. I just don't see it. It's not a hate or anything... it's just a different perspective.Paired with my very high view of Felix Jones, prior to him being drafted by Dal, it causes me to expect less of Barber than many on these boards. Most knowledgeable posters agree that Felix will get touches, it's the amount that we often disagree on. I happen to feel that Jones is the more talented RB, and that Barber is a modest talent with a lot of heart who has been playing behind a great OL, in good run situations.Because of my views, which are widely known... any time I criticize Barber, it frequently is presumed to be a much larger criticism than is intended by me. Which is unfortunate. This thread being an example, and I've clarified my post, but many will still feel I'm just a Barber hater. That's life.
switz
Footballguy
Sorry that "I'm not on your level."
I'm not sure why you feel I was putting you down or talking condescendingly, I wasn't trying to. I was just bemoaning the limits of written communication. Without tone of voice, facial expressions, body language, etc. it's hard to know how strongly someone is making a statement or not.Please accept my apologies if my statement came across as anything more than that.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
lol
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Do not worry. We all want our players to score big points all the time. When they don't, we automatically assume something is up.
Marion Barber is fine. NFC looks to be in for a long season, if you trade Marion Barber you'll most likely make a mistake.
Marion Barber is fine. NFC looks to be in for a long season, if you trade Marion Barber you'll most likely make a mistake.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
25 Touchs, 92 total yds... whats to be worried about? Felix has looked good, but he isn't going to over take MBIII... felix will be good for 10 to 12 touches a game, nothing new.
TheBradyBunch
Footballguy
This debate should probably be more about Julius Jones vs. Felix Jones. Julius had 2 TD's and just 24 first downs last year on 164 carries last season. Felix already has 3 TD's and 10 first downs on just 27 carries. From a strictly NFL perspective, how can the Cowboys not be giddy about that homerun potential and do everything in their power to get him more and more involved? Felix appears to be a huge upgrade over Julius and while it probably won't translate into carries, Felix should absolutely blow away Julius in terms of production, which will ultimately effect Barber to a degree. I don't care either way..just a huge fan of watching an amazing duo in action. I'll be very interested in seeing how Garrett conjures up ways to keep them both on the field at the same time as we move forward because that could be ridiculous.
Tong Po
Footballguy
MB3 is currently the #5 ranked RB in my league's scoring system.He plays for one of the best offenses in the league.He's averaging 20 touches a game.He's one of the best goal line backs in football.Why exactly should owners be concerned?Your starting RBs aren't gonna score every weekend. And just about every team has another RB in the mix.There's plenty of RBS to worry about in fantasy football. Barber isn't one of them.
cowboyz
Footballguy
jurb26
Footballguy
newteech
Footballguy
yeah a big fat contract can tend to do that to a guy....see Shaun Alexander
packersfan
Footballguy
jurb26 said:Tong Po said:
Barber owners have nothing to worry about. There are very few Plug and Play guys in fantasy football these days. Marion Barber is one of them. Worry about the rest of your lineup each week, but you don't need to worry about Barber.
Manster
Footballguy
meh. these threads always get too complicated. the bottomline is MB3 is the better RB between the tackles. Felix is a homerun hitter, i.e. L.Washington, Norwood. this is a rising trend in the NFL. pair a bruiser with a speed guy. MB3 will continue to pound it out, and Felix will get the ball in space. thats the best way to use these guys. this gives the Cowboys a formidable rushing attack.to say MB3 is a modest talent is selling him a bit short, imo. he's got pretty darn good vision, cutting ability, and a vicious stiff-arm. FF guys might be the most fickle bunch of sports fans there are. MB3 will have a 2 TD game and everyone will be back on his jock.FWIW, i'm a Cowboys fan who owns neither back in FF.
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
MBIII owner here, in 3 dynasties... not worried at all
eh...45 rushing yards and a long reception to turn a 9 point game to a 22 point game.Only 45 rushing yards despite Felix getting injured. 3 games in a row with sub 4.0 rushing average.
MCguidance
Footballguy
He was huge today. Only 45 on the ground, but 11 receptions and 128 and a TD in the air, wow.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
u haters are funny... he had over a 170 yds today.
Because I have concern I'm a hater?
Fact is prior to that catch he had 9 points against ARIZONA with Felix on the bench with an injury.
