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Should Norv Turner be fired? (1 Viewer)
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Steeler
Footballguy
No, as a Chiefs fan I hope they keep Norvie forever.
Dragon1952
Footballguy
They should fire AJ Smith too. If the Chargers have McNeil and Jackson signed from day 1 I think we'd have a different record. And why on earth did they pay so dearly to draft Mathews if they aren't going to give him the ball 20+ times a game. Norv's an idiot.
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Northbound Train
Footballguy
I can't believe there are 10 No's....must be from AFC West fans.
Turner is about as poor a H.C as there is....with Wade Phillips a close 2nd.
Turner is about as poor a H.C as there is....with Wade Phillips a close 2nd.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
"BURN THIS M0F0 DOWN!!" is a fun, reflexive angle to take, until you actually think about the consequences.
The Comedian
Footballguy
The Chargers could possibly be a very good team if they didn't play so stupid. That starts with the coach.
CalBear
Footballguy
Gruden, Cowher? Part of the problem, of course, is that the way the Chargers handled Schottenheimer will dissuade good coaches from wanting the job.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I don't think firing him in season is a good idea. But I think once we hit the offseason they should replace him. They should begin the internal process of identifying candidates now.None of that will happen and they won't fire him any time soon because Spanos will not pay Turner to not coach for 3 years. So, good news for fans of other teams and people who enjoy having Turner around for a punching bag.The guy was born to be an OC."BURN THIS M0F0 DOWN!!" is a fun, reflexive angle to take, until you actually think about the consequences.
CalBear
Footballguy
He's paying him to not coach now.
Ron Rivera.I wouldn't fire Turner yet. But if they continue to play like such a poorly coached team, I would fire him after the season (if it weren't my money).
One can dream...
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Yeah, poor Marty who got paid a couple million to play golf for a year after blowing another playoff game.I doubt a "good" coach who's actually looking for a job would turn down an opportunity to coach a squad with good talent across the roster and an elite QB if the money's right.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Yes, but he's not paying him to not coach AND another guy to coach now.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I thought he'd end up with the Panthers job since I heard he wants to stay local to his residence and Fox is pretty much done there.
Mile High
Footballguy
You guys can have McDaniels. He's good we promise.TIABronco fans
Disagree on that -- I think the real issue is someone who can get along with AJ Smith. I don't think it's a coincidence that Turner is "mild-mannered."
Gr00vus
Footballguy
He's all yours. The good news for you is, he's probably done after this season or the next.
Chaka
Footballguy
They had the #1 offense and the #1 defense in the league coming into this week, I don't think McNeil or Jackson would have altered that very much.You can speculate all you want about how many more points they may or may not have scored but they were the #1 offense in the league and the #1 defense they should not need anything more than that. The real problem is the special teams has cost this team four games now (KC, Oak, StL & NE). That isn't AJ's fault and to some degree it really isn't Norv's fault. What they are doing about the terrible special teams is another matter.Ryan Matthews isn't getting the ball 20 times a game because Norv knows that Matthews still isn't good with identifying and picking up blitzes and will likely get Rivers killed if he is in there for too many snaps.Dragon1952 said:
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Right now, no. But come the offseason, probably.
Agreed. Working for the "Lord of No Rings" as he's known is a fairly crappy job. No elite SB winning coach would take that job imho. For an up and coming guy it's a great spot. You have loads of talent and should be able to win 10-12 games every year. You just have to accept the fact you won't be in charge of personnel.
footballnerd
Footballguy
Yes so he can go back to being our OC
golfguy
Footballguy
i would hope that gruden wouldn't go there. he would just ruin philip rivers. plain and simple. i could see him trying to change rivers' mechanics.
besides running a good offense with the team that tony dungy assembled, what exactly did gruden do?
no way cowher goes there, he will want full control, and i feel gruden would this go around as well.
besides running a good offense with the team that tony dungy assembled, what exactly did gruden do?
no way cowher goes there, he will want full control, and i feel gruden would this go around as well.
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Chaka
Footballguy
Gruden put together an excellent Raiders team that he then beat with the team that Dungy could never win with.If Gruden & Dungy had stayed in Oak and TB I think the Raiders would have won the Super Bowl and Tampa Bay would have lost in the NFC playoffs.
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
This right here. No big name coach is going to touch this job because they would want control and would have to deal with AJ. They'll limp along with Norv for the rest of the season simply because there's nobody more qualified and available that would take this job mid season.
footballnerd
Footballguy
Took Raiders to AFC championship.
CalBear
Footballguy
They had the #1 yardage offense and the #1 yardage defense coming into this week. They had the #7 scoring offense and the #17 scoring defense. They were also #28 in turnovers.
CalBear
Footballguy
He was 2-2 in the playoffs with the Raiders, and is now 5-4 overall with a Super Bowl championship. He has just 3 losing seasons in 11 years as a head coach, with a .540 winning percentage. Compare to Turner who is 4-4 in the playoffs, with no championships, with 5 losing seasons in 12 years and going for 6 of 13, and a career winning percentage of .472.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Gruden built a very good Raiders team. He did it his way which was why Al Davis gave him the boot. Gruden would be a good fit in Cleveland.
Turner has always been an over-rated coach. He will get fired at the end of the season. SD is way to talented to lose so often. The team simply does not play for him. That being said, Turner will end up as HC somewhere else in the NFL. For some reason, owners love him. I will never understand why so many bad HCs get repeat chances in the NFL.
Turner has always been an over-rated coach. He will get fired at the end of the season. SD is way to talented to lose so often. The team simply does not play for him. That being said, Turner will end up as HC somewhere else in the NFL. For some reason, owners love him. I will never understand why so many bad HCs get repeat chances in the NFL.
Chaka
Footballguy
Are special teams scores factored into scoring against? The Chargers punt and kick teams have given up 30 points this year. That puts the actual defense at #5 in scoring against. Not to mention the number of times they have started off with a short field because of good returns.I heard on the radio last week, so my number may be off here, that since the merger (and before the Chargers this year) teams that held the both #1 yardage positions on offense & defense at any time during the season are something like a collective 67-2.
Offense and defense are not the problem for the Chargers.
golfguy
Footballguy
CalBear
Footballguy
Actually, it's twice as many playoff games as Turner had won prior to taking over a 14-2 team.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
By whom? Seems like he's pretty much universally ridiculed to me if we're talking about HC performance. He has been a very good OC however.
Unfortunately, from what I've heard from the players on this team, they absolutely love the guy. They really are trying hard for him and he "has" the locker room, he just doesn't seem effective at imparting some important football fundamentals, mental toughness, discipline, etc. - which may actually be part of the reason players love him.
It does, but you can't use such broad strokes. You have to give him credit for mentoring Rivers and developing him into one of the elite qb's in the NFL. It's a confusing one, honestly, because some players are playing beyond their abilities, and others aren't, and then you have the unacceptable errors that keep occurring. I do think Norv is better suited as an OC than a head coach, but I also think he gets unfairly slammed on here.
griff321
Footballguy
Childress is making a strong case to overtake both of them this year. Is it just me or is their a lot of really poor coaches in the NFL right now? Seems like too many guys that should be coordinators got HC gigs.
footballnerd
Footballguy
Nice taylor made stat there.well in 2007 it wasn't just Tampa that got knocked out by the NY Giants including a 16-0 Patriots squad.
Chaka
Footballguy
More likely a lot of arm chair coaches think the job isn't nearly as difficult as it truly is.
golfguy
Footballguy
just saying he didnt win a playoff game and his teams underpeformed in the playoffs since 2002.he was fired for a reason as well (gruden)
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Sounds just like Wade Phillips. Really. Both are great coordinators, but average at best head coaches. It is amazing that NFL owners and GMs haven't figured that out yet.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
There just aren't near enough top flight HCs to go around. So you keep hoping the next failed HC you try turns out to be Belichick, but you'll probably end up with a Phillips. Or you go with a 1st timer HC, those usually don't work out either. You consider any underperforming HC in isolation, they look bad, but in the context of all 32 NFL HCs there's maybe a very small handful of guys of which you could say X would definitely do better than Y.NFL HC is a tough, tough job that requires a pretty wide spectrum of skill sets, all of which need to be performed adequately, some of which (at least) need to be performed exceptionally in order to achieve a high degree of successful results. There just aren't that many guys around who can do it. Once those have jobs, everybody else has to make do with what's left.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
, Gr00vus.However, in the case of Phillips and Turner, for both, this is their 3rd attempt at being a head coach. Neither did that great of a job in their first two go-arounds, so why even give them a 3rd shot? Why not take a chance on the many up-and-coming coordinators? Granted, some pan out and some do not, but I think it would be better to take a shot than waste a few years on a retread who was has proven to be a great coordinator, but average head coach. Dallas and San Diego are both team that for years have been touted as perennial SB contenders, but always underachieve. You can't tell me that things might have been different for both franchises had either or both hired different head coaches.
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
Sure, but it depends on who that mystery HC was. There's good different and there's bad different. When they hired Norv, other hot commodity coordinators that people were screaming for included Mike Singletary and Rex Ryan. You just don't know. Who of the coaches that were truly on the market in the '07 offseason can we really say are standing above the others now? Who were the obvious good candidates that actually panned out? Tomlin - I'd say he was never really on the market, but he's a standout. For the rest - Whisenhunt? Petrino? Phillips? Cameron? Kiffin? Norv? That's your new coaching class of 2007. The 2008 new coaches seem to be a better class. Mike Smith, John Harbaugh, Sparano are doing well. Cable? Singletary?Zorn? So there you're 50/50 at least - all 1st time HCs in that group too. Finding a good HC is tough. The Chargers went conservative in taking a guy who was familiar with their offensive system at HC and also hired someone who was familiar with their defensive system as their DC. They wanted continuity rather than a totally unknown quanitity. It's gotten them about as far as it can get them I figure, I can't say it was a total failure, but it certainly hasn't been a total success either., Gr00vus.However, in the case of Phillips and Turner, for both, this is their 3rd attempt at being a head coach. Neither did that great of a job in their first two go-arounds, so why even give them a 3rd shot? Why not take a chance on the many up-and-coming coordinators? Granted, some pan out and some do not, but I think it would be better to take a shot than waste a few years on a retread who was has proven to be a great coordinator, but average head coach. Dallas and San Diego are both team that for years have been touted as perennial SB contenders, but always underachieve. You can't tell me that things might have been different for both franchises had either or both hired different head coaches.
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