Should Philly run a QBBC? (1 Viewer)

[gianmarco]

We saw a QBBC in Arizona for a brief stint. However, at that time, the QBBC was with 2 pocket passers (or at least one imitating one). In Kolb/Vick you have 2 completely different animals (no pun intended).

Last week, Vick was incredibly effective on the ground, but GB didn't really gameplan for him. While I think Vick has another big week on the ground against Det, things may be a little different as they will actually be preparing for him. Which is what leads me to this idea:

What if it's a true QBBC with an almost even split with Vick and Kolb? How do teams prepare for that? It's difficult as it is to prepare against a QB like Vick because he's not your usual threat at the position. If you don't have a plan of attack to defend against him, then I think you see what happens by looking at last week's game. But, if they also use Kolb as a pure passer half the time, then you must commit to gameplanning against that as well.

Would this be the ultimate QBBC given the distinct differences between these 2 and how different a defense needs to play them? Could this be effective?

 

[Warhogs]

They were in some ways doing that before Kolb got hurt last week. Vick was in on quite a few plays in the first half. His role seemed to be more of a wildcat QB in the first half though but it would really be using the same concept of how much Vick was used in the first half but maybe you were hoping Vick would pass more. I did not track this but it seemed like Vick was in there maybe 1/3 of the time in the first half and Kolb played until halftime.

 

[One]

They kinda have been.

 

[Jason Wood]

I feel that a QBBC is a horrendous idea; although whether Reid SHOULD do it and whether he WILL are two different things.

We got rid of McNabb because they believed Kolb was the guy. The guy that would execute the offense MORE efficiently than McNabb could and help keep us from being in rebuilding mode. They owe it to Kolb, the fans and themselves to find out if their decision was the right one. What kind of QB is going to thrive being shuffled in and out of a game? I just don't see the rationale.

 

[mr roboto]

I think it's a bad idea, no matter who it is. The QB is the focal point of the offense. He calls plays in the huddle, audibles at the line, and touches the ball on every play except for direct snaps to RB's...

I would think that as confusing for the offense as it is to defenses...

...What about chemistry/timing with the receivers? Even if Vick was the 'rushing QB' he would have to throw it occasionally to keep the D honest

...Wouldn't they run the risk of splitting the locker room? Some guys would like how the offense runs with one vs. the other.

...You run the risk of pissing off both QB's who want to be starters.

QBBC is kinda like socialism...great in theory, terrible in practice.

 

[Jason Wood]

And as the Audible guys so eloquently said last night, there is something more to a QB than his abilities as a passer. It's not cliche to say they have to be "leaders of men" and the guy that the huddle and locker revolve around. I guess it's not impossible to split time and still have the team's respect, but it strikes me as a LOT more difficult than if you are established by the coach and OC as THE guy.

 

[LHUCKS]

Vick is easily better than Kolb...no QBBC.

If you want to win, you go with Vick.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I feel that a QBBC is a horrendous idea; although whether Reid SHOULD do it and whether he WILL are two different things.

Pretty much what I was going to say.

We got rid of McNabb because they believed Kolb was the guy. The guy that would execute the offense MORE efficiently than McNabb could and help keep us from being in rebuilding mode. They owe it to Kolb, the fans and themselves to find out if their decision was the right one. What kind of QB is going to thrive being shuffled in and out of a game? I just don't see the rationale.

Vick should ONLY come in on 3rd down and short - that's his role - or it should be.Kolb cannot be fairly judged unless he has some decent blocking in front of him. The question really is when that will happen.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Vick is easily better than Kolb...no QBBC.If you want to win, you go with Vick.

I think we have our answer then...... Kolb it is.

 

[latrops]

No, absolutely not IF you mean something close to a 50/50 split or a situation where the starter may vary from game to game. Vick has much more experience as an NFL qb than Kolb, and in the short term it should not be surprising that Vick outperforms Kolb. That said, the Eagles might be a playoff contender, but they are not an NFC or Super Bowl favorite. They let McNabb go because they felt he had accomplished all he could (which was pretty good, they were a consistent contender in the NFC) and the returns would soon diminish. In essence, they PLANNED to take a step backward (dealing McNabb) in order to take 2 steps forward. Vick is a very nice backup that can win games should the starter be out, and a nice situational player. He is not someone the Eagles should choose to play heavily, though, as he is not thought a significant piece of their future. More Vick means less Kolb, which means they are investing less in developing their QBOTF and doing themselves and Kolb a disservice.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

(David Woodley & Steve Ensminger at LSU but I'm not so sure many people would get that).

BUT:

Don Strock and David Woodley, people might remember that. It got the Phins to the Super Bowl one year. I.e., it has been done and done effectively.

 

[latrops]

Vick is easily better than Kolb...no QBBC.If you want to win, you go with Vick.

I'd rephrase that.If you want to maybe sneak into the playoffs this year, only to lose prior to the Super Bowl, go with VickIf you want to position yourself to be a contender in the NFC long-term, develop (play) your talented young qb.

 

[Insein]

No! No! A thousand times NO!!!

Thats what we've been running and we saw what that looked like in the first half the other day. What an awful, convoluted mess. Pick one or the other and make them the QB. Enough of this running in a guy on 2nd down then taking him out for 3rd down. It makes no sense to your opponents because it makes even less sense to us!

Andy will be stubborn no matter what but I LOATHE the QBBC that he is trying to employ.

 

[renesauz]

Vick is easily better than Kolb...no QBBC.If you want to win, you go with Vick.

Even most Kolb supporters will agree the team has a better chance to win a lot of games with Vick...doesn't make that the right answer. Vick is NOT the future in Philly. Kolb will be (or at least...that's the plan.)Kolb has to start, and get the vast majority of the work in order to know for sure. This isn't some rookie, or some bum off the street (like Anderson)...he's a second round pick who's spent three years grooming for the position. You don't sacrifice those three years and the future for an extra win or two this year.

 

[Touchdown There]

Vick is easily better than Kolb...no QBBC.If you want to win, you go with Vick.

I think we have our answer then...... Kolb it is.

This Vick talk is nonsense. It would destroy the relationship between Reid and Kolb. It would say "I no longer have faith in you" to the quarterback of the future for the Eagles. Running QBs over the age of 30 in the NFL are not the solution. Make no mistake, Reid is "all in" with Kolb.Regardless of how well Vick plays against the Lions, Kolb will be the starter until he proves he is not worthy (which is at least a year or two down the line).

 

[thehornet]

Vick is easily better than Kolb...no QBBC.If you want to win, you go with Vick.

Even most Kolb supporters will agree the team has a better chance to win a lot of games with Vick...doesn't make that the right answer. Vick is NOT the future in Philly. Kolb will be (or at least...that's the plan.)Kolb has to start, and get the vast majority of the work in order to know for sure. This isn't some rookie, or some bum off the street (like Anderson)...he's a second round pick who's spent three years grooming for the position. You don't sacrifice those three years and the future for an extra win or two this year.

I'd bet if Philly gave Vick the job for the next 6-7 years, Philly would make the playoffs 4 times and make a nfc champ game.

 

[super sleeper]

Not that the NFL is the same as college, but as a Rutgers fan, we are seeing how alternating QBs (in our case a pro-style passer and a wildcat runner/passer) has made the entire offense ineffective because 1) neither offense ever gets a rhythm and 2) the playcalling becomes more predictable.

 

[gianmarco]

Btw, I'm not talking about alternating QBs mid series. That is too chaotic, IMO. I'm talking about alternating every series or every other series. Also, if one of the guys is more effective and is shredding the defense to leave him in there.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Vick is easily better than Kolb...no QBBC.If you want to win, you go with Vick.

How'd that hyping of Leinart go for ya' this year....huh?You are as dead wrong on the Kolb/Vick issue as you were on the Leinart issue.

 

[gianmarco]

Vick is easily better than Kolb...no QBBC.

If you want to win, you go with Vick.

How'd that hyping of Leinart go for ya' this year....huh?You are as dead wrong on the Kolb/Vick issue as you were on any the Leinart issue.

 

[thehornet]

Vick is easily better than Kolb...no QBBC.

If you want to win, you go with Vick.

How'd that hyping of Leinart go for ya' this year....huh?You are as dead wrong on the Kolb/Vick issue as you were on any the Leinart issue.

huh? What has Kolb EVER done in this league? Vick's record and play speaks for itself.

 

[Amused to Death]

Vick is easily better than Kolb...no QBBC.If you want to win, you go with Vick.

Even most Kolb supporters will agree the team has a better chance to win a lot of games with Vick...doesn't make that the right answer. Vick is NOT the future in Philly. Kolb will be (or at least...that's the plan.)Kolb has to start, and get the vast majority of the work in order to know for sure. This isn't some rookie, or some bum off the street (like Anderson)...he's a second round pick who's spent three years grooming for the position. You don't sacrifice those three years and the future for an extra win or two this year.

Perfectly stated. I think most people advocating Vick for the Eagles are more concerned about their fantasy stats then what's best for the Eagles long-term.I'm certainly not sold on Kolb as the future of the team, but I'm not ready to give up on him 10 passes into his tenure. I think the game plan last week was horrendous and definitely not the way to build his confidence. They need to show confidence in him and somehow try to call a balanced game. Not counting QB runs or the WR end around with Maclin, they ran the ball 5 times with an RB during the first half while the Eagles were leading or game tied at 3. That's out of 22 total plays, not counting punts. 22.7% called running plays with your RB while trying to establish a new QB.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Vick is easily better than Kolb...no QBBC.

If you want to win, you go with Vick.

How'd that hyping of Leinart go for ya' this year....huh?You are as dead wrong on the Kolb/Vick issue as you were on any the Leinart issue.

huh? What has Kolb EVER done in this league? Vick's record and play speaks for itself.

gianmarco was funny right there......I was being too easy on Hucksy....touche!thehornet is just plain ole' silly......

 

[scratcher]

Kolb should be given every chance to succeed and that means Vick needs to stay on the sidelines. Too many eggs in one basket at this point to not give Kolb a chance even if it means a losing season.

 

[thehornet]

Kolb should be given every chance to succeed and that means Vick needs to stay on the sidelines. Too many eggs in one basket at this point to not give Kolb a chance even if it means a losing season.

lose with kolb = saving face = good outcomegotcha.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Kolb should be given every chance to succeed and that means Vick needs to stay on the sidelines. Too many eggs in one basket at this point to not give Kolb a chance even if it means a losing season.

lose with kolb = saving face = good outcomegotcha.

Even with Vick the Eagles are not hoisting the Lombardi in February.Playing Kolb now and either (A) developing him further or (B) determining if he is or isn't the QB for the next 5-7 years is way more important than eeking into the playoffs due to Vick.

 

[LHUCKS]

Vick is easily better than Kolb...no QBBC.

If you want to win, you go with Vick.

Even most Kolb supporters will agree the team has a better chance to win a lot of games with Vick...doesn't make that the right answer. Vick is NOT the future in Philly. Kolb will be (or at least...that's the plan.)Kolb has to start, and get the vast majority of the work in order to know for sure. This isn't some rookie, or some bum off the street (like Anderson)...he's a second round pick who's spent three years grooming for the position. You don't sacrifice those three years and the future for an extra win or two this year.

Perfectly stated. I think most people advocating Vick for the Eagles are more concerned about their fantasy stats then what's best for the Eagles long-term.

FAILIf you polled the Eagles players right now 90% would say they want Vick as their QB...the team believes in him. Did you see the sidelines when Vick was ripping off runs and and throwing darts...the team was completely amped. That's a form of leadership...Kolb has barely been able to tie his shoes for the last five weeks....he had his chance.

The future is NOW in the NFL, and Vick is the NOW for the Eagles.

Get on the train before it's too late.

 

[kylechoffman]

Kolb is going to get killed behind that line -vick should start as long as he is delivering wins.

 

[LHUCKS]

Even with Vick the Eagles are not hoisting the Lombardi in February.

You can't say that definitively...when Vick came into the game the Iggles pretty much shredded the Packers, and a lot of experts have been picking the Pack to go the NFC title game.I can't recall the last time a single player change has changed the complexion of a game to that degree...unbelievable really. The Pack was working over the Iggles until then and then the game took a complete 180.

 

[eoMMan]

Vick is easily better than Kolb...no QBBC.If you want to win, you go with Vick.

Even most Kolb supporters will agree the team has a better chance to win a lot of games with Vick...doesn't make that the right answer. Vick is NOT the future in Philly. Kolb will be (or at least...that's the plan.)Kolb has to start, and get the vast majority of the work in order to know for sure. This isn't some rookie, or some bum off the street (like Anderson)...he's a second round pick who's spent three years grooming for the position. You don't sacrifice those three years and the future for an extra win or two this year.

Perfectly stated. I think most people advocating Vick for the Eagles are more concerned about their fantasy stats then what's best for the Eagles long-term.I'm certainly not sold on Kolb as the future of the team, but I'm not ready to give up on him 10 passes into his tenure. I think the game plan last week was horrendous and definitely not the way to build his confidence. They need to show confidence in him and somehow try to call a balanced game. Not counting QB runs or the WR end around with Maclin, they ran the ball 5 times with an RB during the first half while the Eagles were leading or game tied at 3. That's out of 22 total plays, not counting punts. 22.7% called running plays with your RB while trying to establish a new QB.

I'm fine with giving him a few more games but when do stop the bleeding? Do you let him start the whole year, even if by week 10 or so, it looks like he cost you your season?I just don't understand how he played well in those couple of games and then looked like crap in the offseason/preseason and now part of week 1.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Kolb should be given every chance to succeed and that means Vick needs to stay on the sidelines. Too many eggs in one basket at this point to not give Kolb a chance even if it means a losing season.

lose with kolb = saving face = good outcomegotcha.

You obviously know what it takes to groom a franchise QB, so why don't you fill us in a little bit, huh? Or, is winning games at all costs the only option with you? As Eagles fans we obviously know that we will probably lose more times than we would with Vick behind center this year and since we are so short sighted as to only see this years playoffs in our headlights we should be kicking & screaming for Vick to start the rest of the year, right?You've obviously got a very dim bulb there if you think the Eagles organization and Andy Reid wanting Kevin Kolb as the starting QB is solely in an effort to save face. Most Eagles fans understand that nurturing a franchise QB is FAR MORE IMPORTANT than winning any games in 2010. Running Vick out there in a QBBC does absolutely nothing to help mold Kolb into a franchise QB and there is no guarantee that it will produce any additional wins than we could get with just Kolb behind center.

 

[Vultan]

Vick is easily better than Kolb...no QBBC.

If you want to win, you go with Vick.

Even most Kolb supporters will agree the team has a better chance to win a lot of games with Vick...doesn't make that the right answer. Vick is NOT the future in Philly. Kolb will be (or at least...that's the plan.)Kolb has to start, and get the vast majority of the work in order to know for sure. This isn't some rookie, or some bum off the street (like Anderson)...he's a second round pick who's spent three years grooming for the position. You don't sacrifice those three years and the future for an extra win or two this year.

Perfectly stated. I think most people advocating Vick for the Eagles are more concerned about their fantasy stats then what's best for the Eagles long-term.

FAILIf you polled the Eagles players right now 90% would say they want Vick as their QB...the team believes in him. Did you see the sidelines when Vick was ripping off runs and and throwing darts...the team was completely amped. That's a form of leadership...Kolb has barely been able to tie his shoes for the last five weeks....he had his chance.

The future is NOW in the NFL, and Vick is the NOW for the Eagles.

Get on the train before it's too late.

The man has a point. To quote a great American "You play to win the game."GMs and coaches way too often let their ego, draft position, and how much they gave player x in his contract dictate who starts and how many chances they get to succeed. Sometimes the diamonds really are in the rough and you gotta roll with them when they appear. For every Manning who took his lumps and started getting good in season 2 or 3 there are 20 QBs who set their teams back as they were given playing time to "develop".

Point is, if Vick lights it up this weekend, you gotta stay with him.

 

[netnalp]

Dan Reeves tried it with the Broncos, it was horrible.

 

[Amused to Death]

Vick is easily better than Kolb...no QBBC.

If you want to win, you go with Vick.

Even most Kolb supporters will agree the team has a better chance to win a lot of games with Vick...doesn't make that the right answer. Vick is NOT the future in Philly. Kolb will be (or at least...that's the plan.)Kolb has to start, and get the vast majority of the work in order to know for sure. This isn't some rookie, or some bum off the street (like Anderson)...he's a second round pick who's spent three years grooming for the position. You don't sacrifice those three years and the future for an extra win or two this year.

Perfectly stated. I think most people advocating Vick for the Eagles are more concerned about their fantasy stats then what's best for the Eagles long-term.

FAILIf you polled the Eagles players right now 90% would say they want Vick as their QB...the team believes in him. Did you see the sidelines when Vick was ripping off runs and and throwing darts...the team was completely amped. That's a form of leadership...Kolb has barely been able to tie his shoes for the last five weeks....he had his chance.

The future is NOW in the NFL, and Vick is the NOW for the Eagles.

Get on the train before it's too late.

Wow. Parts of 3 preseason games and 10 whole passes. Bit less time then Leinart got, no?

 

[thehornet]

Kolb should be given every chance to succeed and that means Vick needs to stay on the sidelines. Too many eggs in one basket at this point to not give Kolb a chance even if it means a losing season.

lose with kolb = saving face = good outcomegotcha.

You obviously know what it takes to groom a franchise QB, so why don't you fill us in a little bit, huh? Or, is winning games at all costs the only option with you? As Eagles fans we obviously know that we will probably lose more times than we would with Vick behind center this year and since we are so short sighted as to only see this years playoffs in our headlights we should be kicking & screaming for Vick to start the rest of the year, right?You've obviously got a very dim bulb there if you think the Eagles organization and Andy Reid wanting Kevin Kolb as the starting QB is solely in an effort to save face. Most Eagles fans understand that nurturing a franchise QB is FAR MORE IMPORTANT than winning any games in 2010. Running Vick out there in a QBBC does absolutely nothing to help mold Kolb into a franchise QB and there is no guarantee that it will produce any additional wins than we could get with just Kolb behind center.

i actually didnt say any of that. i pulled apart the sentence that the first poster made.

 

[Insein]

FAIL

If you polled the Eagles players right now 90% would say they want Vick as their QB...the team believes in him. Did you see the sidelines when Vick was ripping off runs and and throwing darts...the team was completely amped. That's a form of leadership...Kolb has barely been able to tie his shoes for the last five weeks....he had his chance.

The future is NOW in the NFL, and Vick is the NOW for the Eagles.

Get on the train before it's too late.

Thats great cause last year the players had more confidence in Kolb after the 2 games he played for McNabb. So what does that say? Players roll with who's winning. Put Kolb in and he starts winning and watch the players support him. Giving him less than half a game with another QB coming in and out every 3rd play and then say he can't play when he is inconsistent is beyond ######ed. Its also why you are here on a messageboard and the people that evaluate talent in the NFL are where they are.

 

[Winky the tunnel ferret]

Too many people are thinking of their fantasy production. They should split - it would make opposing defenses go crazy.

 

[Insein]

Too many people are thinking of their fantasy production. They should split - it would make opposing defenses go crazy.

Yea, with laughter at how predictably inefficient our offense is. Has no one watched the preseason or the 1st half last week? Our offense sucks with the switching back and forth. IT didn't start looking good until it was just Vick at QB. We didn't have Kafka coming in for him once Kolb went down. It needs to be one QB until he gets hurt. QB is the one position in all of football that you can't switch a guy in and out and have it work consistently. The QB needs rythm to perform. If a defender was standing a certain way the previous play, he can't exploit that if he's on the sidelines coming in. A QB needs to feel the flow of the game and make adjustments during play to what is around them. They lead the army down the field. You can't keep taking him out and expecting him to still get the same feel from the sidelines.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

The Eagles have a playoff caliber team in 2010 and thus is there is NO WAY that they should be "building for the future" and sacrificing wins in 2010 for the "development" of Kevin Kolb.

The NFL does not work this way unless you are already a bottom echelon team which the Eagles are not.

Vick will start against Detroit. I hope he does well and think that he can. Reid's ego and stubborness is as big as his gut, so he will go back to Kolb when he is healthy. However, in a scenario in which Mike Vick has played 1-1/2 games of dynamite football (assuming that he does play well this week), Kolb better step it up and play well himself in Weeks 3 and 4.

I don't usually advocate "owner involvement" but if I see a scenario unfold in which Vick is playing well, Kolb comes back and continues to play like his, granted small sample size, pre-seaon and 1H-Game body of work in weeks 3, 4 and 5, the Eagles ownership should absolutely have a little chat with Reid to the extent that he continues to be stubborn.

This is not college. The Eagle are not a team that has bee 4-12 for the past 3 years and now need to "develop" a Sam Bradford and take their lumps. They have playoff caliber talent and weapons on offense. There are no killer teams in the NFL, they all have flaws. You don't flush down the toilet opportunities to go deep into the playoffs in order to "develop" the guy who's been carrying clipboards for the past 3 years.

Maybe Kolb comes back and plays well out of the gates, but if not, the absolute right course of action is to then go back to Vick

 

[Touchdown There]

Wow. The Vick supporters really do not understand how it works on a football team. There is no way that Reid will start Vick when Kolb is healthy. It is that simple. Everyone already knows Vick is going to do well this weekend. They are playing the Lions. Vick is going to do great statistically and the Eagles will probably win. There is zero chance that Reid will say "I have lost faith in you Kevin Kolb because of 10 snaps in one quarter and Vick looked good against the Lions." It is just silly. Kevin Kolb is the QB for the Eagles. Vick plays only if Kolb cannot go.

Kolb stats from his two games last year:

09/20 NO L 22-48 Yes 51 31 60.8 391 2 tds

09/27 KC W 34-14 Yes 34 24 70.6 327 2 tds

Those are pretty good stats for a QB right out of the box. And just to finish this off, Vick has not done anything for the Eagles. They lost last week and Vick played most of the snaps. There is still the possibility that Vick and the Eagles lose to the Lions.

 

[Touchdown There]

And Kolb is both the "quarter back of the future" and the "quarterback in 2010" for the Eagles.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

And Kolb is both the "quarter back of the future" and the "quarterback in 2010" for the Eagles.

You didn't read what I wrote.I posited that IF, A) Vick plays well again in Week 2, AND B) Upon Kolb's return, assume that is Week 3 (could be 4 the way concussions are managed these days), that Kolb continues to play in Week 3 and 4 at the level that he has so far in 2010 (pre- and regular season), THEN if Kolb's not so hot play is results in Eagles' losses, the only right answer is to make a change. One doesn't manage the "future" in today's NFL at the expense of the present when one already has a playoff caliber team.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Vick is easily better than Kolb...no QBBC.If you want to win, you go with Vick.

I think we have our answer then...... Kolb it is.

he hasn't announced which way he's betting yet....

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Vick is easily better than Kolb...no QBBC.

If you want to win, you go with Vick.

Even most Kolb supporters will agree the team has a better chance to win a lot of games with Vick...doesn't make that the right answer. Vick is NOT the future in Philly. Kolb will be (or at least...that's the plan.)Kolb has to start, and get the vast majority of the work in order to know for sure. This isn't some rookie, or some bum off the street (like Anderson)...he's a second round pick who's spent three years grooming for the position. You don't sacrifice those three years and the future for an extra win or two this year.

Perfectly stated. I think most people advocating Vick for the Eagles are more concerned about their fantasy stats then what's best for the Eagles long-term.

FAILIf you polled the Eagles players right now 90% would say they want Vick as their QB...the team believes in him. Did you see the sidelines when Vick was ripping off runs and and throwing darts...the team was completely amped. That's a form of leadership...Kolb has barely been able to tie his shoes for the last five weeks....he had his chance.

The future is NOW in the NFL, and Vick is the NOW for the Eagles.

Get on the train before it's too late.

well at least LHUCKS is shoveling coal. well put him in the coal car.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

The Eagles have a playoff caliber team in 2010 and thus is there is NO WAY that they should be "building for the future" and sacrificing wins in 2010 for the "development" of Kevin Kolb.

amen. it;s like Philly fans have been defending kolb since they reached for him, and are now also psychologically invested in whether Kolb busts or develops into a star.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Wow. The Vick supporters really do not understand how it works on a football team. There is no way that Reid will start Vick when Kolb is healthy. It is that simple. Everyone already knows Vick is going to do well this weekend. They are playing the Lions. Vick is going to do great statistically and the Eagles will probably win. There is zero chance that Reid will say "I have lost faith in you Kevin Kolb because of 10 snaps in one quarter and Vick looked good against the Lions." It is just silly. Kevin Kolb is the QB for the Eagles. Vick plays only if Kolb cannot go.

Kolb stats from his two games last year:

09/20 NO L 22-48 Yes 51 31 60.8 391 2 tds

09/27 KC W 34-14 Yes 34 24 70.6 327 2 tds

Those are pretty good stats for a QB right out of the box. And just to finish this off, Vick has not done anything for the Eagles. They lost last week and Vick played most of the snaps. There is still the possibility that Vick and the Eagles lose to the Lions.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Vick is easily better than Kolb...no QBBC.If you want to win, you go with Vick.

Even most Kolb supporters will agree the team has a better chance to win a lot of games with Vick...doesn't make that the right answer. Vick is NOT the future in Philly. Kolb will be (or at least...that's the plan.)Kolb has to start, and get the vast majority of the work in order to know for sure. This isn't some rookie, or some bum off the street (like Anderson)...he's a second round pick who's spent three years grooming for the position. You don't sacrifice those three years and the future for an extra win or two this year.

Perfectly stated. I think most people advocating Vick for the Eagles are more concerned about their fantasy stats then what's best for the Eagles long-term.I'm certainly not sold on Kolb as the future of the team, but I'm not ready to give up on him 10 passes into his tenure. I think the game plan last week was horrendous and definitely not the way to build his confidence. They need to show confidence in him and somehow try to call a balanced game. Not counting QB runs or the WR end around with Maclin, they ran the ball 5 times with an RB during the first half while the Eagles were leading or game tied at 3. That's out of 22 total plays, not counting punts. 22.7% called running plays with your RB while trying to establish a new QB.

I'm fine with giving him a few more games but when do stop the bleeding? Do you let him start the whole year, even if by week 10 or so, it looks like he cost you your season?I just don't understand how he played well in those couple of games and then looked like crap in the offseason/preseason and now part of week 1.

Peyton Manning didn't go 12-4 his first year.Troy Aikman Year 1? 1-15.Sometimes you let a QB develop.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

Vick is easily better than Kolb...no QBBC.If you want to win, you go with Vick.

Even most Kolb supporters will agree the team has a better chance to win a lot of games with Vick...doesn't make that the right answer. Vick is NOT the future in Philly. Kolb will be (or at least...that's the plan.)Kolb has to start, and get the vast majority of the work in order to know for sure. This isn't some rookie, or some bum off the street (like Anderson)...he's a second round pick who's spent three years grooming for the position. You don't sacrifice those three years and the future for an extra win or two this year.

Perfectly stated. I think most people advocating Vick for the Eagles are more concerned about their fantasy stats then what's best for the Eagles long-term.I'm certainly not sold on Kolb as the future of the team, but I'm not ready to give up on him 10 passes into his tenuthink the game plan last week was horrendous and definitely not the way to build his confidence. They need to show confidence in him and somehow try to call a balanced game. Not counting QB runs or the WR end around with Maclin, they ran the ball 5 times with an RB during the first half while the Eagles were leading or game tied at 3. That's out of 22 total plays, not counting punts. 22.7% called running plays with your RB while trying to establish a new QB.

I'm fine with giving him a few more games but when do stop the bleeding? Do you let him start the whole year, evenI just don't understand how he played well in those couple of games and then looked like crap in the offseason/preseason and now part of week 1.

Peyton Manning didn't go 12-4 his first year.Troy Aikman Year 1? 1-15.Sometimes you let a QB develop.Yes and how many games did Peyton and Troy's team win the year prior to their debut seasons?How about the 2009 Eagles?Very different situations

 

[renesauz]

Vick is easily better than Kolb...no QBBC.

If you want to win, you go with Vick.

Even most Kolb supporters will agree the team has a better chance to win a lot of games with Vick...doesn't make that the right answer. Vick is NOT the future in Philly. Kolb will be (or at least...that's the plan.)Kolb has to start, and get the vast majority of the work in order to know for sure. This isn't some rookie, or some bum off the street (like Anderson)...he's a second round pick who's spent three years grooming for the position. You don't sacrifice those three years and the future for an extra win or two this year.

Perfectly stated. I think most people advocating Vick for the Eagles are more concerned about their fantasy stats then what's best for the Eagles long-term.

FAILIf you polled the Eagles players right now 90% would say they want Vick as their QB...the team believes in him. Did you see the sidelines when Vick was ripping off runs and and throwing darts...the team was completely amped. That's a form of leadership...Kolb has barely been able to tie his shoes for the last five weeks....he had his chance.

The future is NOW in the NFL, and Vick is the NOW for the Eagles.

Get on the train before it's too late.

Kolb has long been a locker room favorite.

 

[Jason Wood]

LHUCKS...I usually don't jump into your fray because your opinions are...unique, but usually just that, opinions. In this case, you are WAY wrong. The locker room adores Kolb, so much so that they played a huge role in making it clear they were fine with letting McNabb bounce. Honesty, in this case, you have no idea what you're talking about.