Should Philly run a QBBC? (1 Viewer)

[Da Guru]

Those who have a dog in the fight probably would not want a 2 QB system. It devalues both.

 

[thehornet]

Vick is easily better than Kolb...no QBBC.If you want to win, you go with Vick.

Even most Kolb supporters will agree the team has a better chance to win a lot of games with Vick...doesn't make that the right answer. Vick is NOT the future in Philly. Kolb will be (or at least...that's the plan.)Kolb has to start, and get the vast majority of the work in order to know for sure. This isn't some rookie, or some bum off the street (like Anderson)...he's a second round pick who's spent three years grooming for the position. You don't sacrifice those three years and the future for an extra win or two this year.

Perfectly stated. I think most people advocating Vick for the Eagles are more concerned about their fantasy stats then what's best for the Eagles long-term.I'm certainly not sold on Kolb as the future of the team, but I'm not ready to give up on him 10 passes into his tenure. I think the game plan last week was horrendous and definitely not the way to build his confidence. They need to show confidence in him and somehow try to call a balanced game. Not counting QB runs or the WR end around with Maclin, they ran the ball 5 times with an RB during the first half while the Eagles were leading or game tied at 3. That's out of 22 total plays, not counting punts. 22.7% called running plays with your RB while trying to establish a new QB.

I'm fine with giving him a few more games but when do stop the bleeding? Do you let him start the whole year, even if by week 10 or so, it looks like he cost you your season?I just don't understand how he played well in those couple of games and then looked like crap in the offseason/preseason and now part of week 1.

Peyton Manning didn't go 12-4 his first year.Troy Aikman Year 1? 1-15.Sometimes you let a QB develop.

You got to be joking, right? Manning and Aikman were both the 1st overall picks in their draft!!! Kolb is a scrub compared to them. Manning and Aikman were considered the face of the franchise when they stepped onto the field when they were 22 and 23 respectively.Kolb is essentially a 26 year old rookie who still doesnt get it. just stop please.

 

[LHUCKS]

LHUCKS...I usually don't jump into your fray because your opinions are...unique, but usually just that, opinions. In this case, you are WAY wrong. The locker room adores Kolb, so much so that they played a huge role in making it clear they were fine with letting McNabb bounce. Honesty, in this case, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I didn't say the locker room doesn't like Kolb, I'm saying they want Vick as their QB...and I'm not making that up, Chris Collinsworth reported it.So maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but Chris Collinsworth certainly does.

 

[Pickle Rody]

LHUCKS...I usually don't jump into your fray because your opinions are...unique, but usually just that, opinions. In this case, you are WAY wrong. The locker room adores Kolb, so much so that they played a huge role in making it clear they were fine with letting McNabb bounce. Honesty, in this case, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I didn't say the locker room doesn't like Kolb, I'm saying they want Vick as their QB...and I'm not making that up, Chris Collinsworth reported it.So maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but Chris Collinsworth certainly does.

Uh, no, he doesn't know what he is talking about either. Collinsworth is a joke of a reporter. He is better suited to color commentary on the Sunday night games and even then he isn't really all that good.

 

[thehornet]

LHUCKS...I usually don't jump into your fray because your opinions are...unique, but usually just that, opinions. In this case, you are WAY wrong. The locker room adores Kolb, so much so that they played a huge role in making it clear they were fine with letting McNabb bounce. Honesty, in this case, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I didn't say the locker room doesn't like Kolb, I'm saying they want Vick as their QB...and I'm not making that up, Chris Collinsworth reported it.So maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but Chris Collinsworth certainly does.

Uh, no, he doesn't know what he is talking about either. Collinsworth is a joke of a reporter. He is better suited to color commentary on the Sunday night games and even then he isn't really all that good.

i suppose you'd do better. Collinworth is an excellent game commentator.

 

[renesauz]

LHUCKS...I usually don't jump into your fray because your opinions are...unique, but usually just that, opinions. In this case, you are WAY wrong. The locker room adores Kolb, so much so that they played a huge role in making it clear they were fine with letting McNabb bounce. Honesty, in this case, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I didn't say the locker room doesn't like Kolb, I'm saying they want Vick as their QB...and I'm not making that up, Chris Collinsworth reported it.So maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but Chris Collinsworth certainly does.

Uh, no, he doesn't know what he is talking about either. Collinsworth is a joke of a reporter. He is better suited to color commentary on the Sunday night games and even then he isn't really all that good.

i suppose you'd do better. Collinworth is an excellent game commentator.

He's terrific as a game commentator, but he's NOT a reporter!

 

[renesauz]

You got to be joking, right? Manning and Aikman were both the 1st overall picks in their draft!!! Kolb is a scrub compared to them. Manning and Aikman were considered the face of the franchise when they stepped onto the field when they were 22 and 23 respectively.

Kolb is essentially a 26 year old rookie who still doesnt get it. just stop please.

How in the world do you come to this conclusion? Doesn't get it? Based on ten pass attempts this year? Those ten attempts are a better indicator then his two starts last year? Or the faith the organization put in him when they shipped McNabb?Look...I really have no problems with those who don't believe in Kolb, or think the organization messed up by tradnig McNabb (Jason Wood), but I have a big problem with the suggestion that they should abandon the Kevin Kolb experiment before they've really even tried it...for a 30+ year old QB not well suited to Reid's version of the WCO? Doesn't make sense.

Vick never won a super bowl either folks...let's stop pretending he was a pro-bowler last year, or the year before, or even the year before. Michael Vick has shown LESS on the field then Kolb has over the last 3 years....a LOT less.

 

[Pickle Rody]

LHUCKS...I usually don't jump into your fray because your opinions are...unique, but usually just that, opinions. In this case, you are WAY wrong. The locker room adores Kolb, so much so that they played a huge role in making it clear they were fine with letting McNabb bounce. Honesty, in this case, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I didn't say the locker room doesn't like Kolb, I'm saying they want Vick as their QB...and I'm not making that up, Chris Collinsworth reported it.So maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but Chris Collinsworth certainly does.

Uh, no, he doesn't know what he is talking about either. Collinsworth is a joke of a reporter. He is better suited to color commentary on the Sunday night games and even then he isn't really all that good.

i suppose you'd do better. Collinworth is an excellent game commentator.

I could do no worse than Collinsworth as a reporter. I have no experience at game commenting, so thus Collinsworth is better than myself in that regard. My point was that Hucksy was referencing Collinsworth as a reporter of facts, when in fact he isn't even a reporter and never has been. Whatever "reporting" Collinsworth does is strictly his own take on a situation and is most definitely second, third or even fourth hand info. My other comment about Collinsworth being not all that good at color commentary was strictly my own perception and opinion. Others will certainly disagree.

 

[thehornet]

LHUCKS...I usually don't jump into your fray because your opinions are...unique, but usually just that, opinions. In this case, you are WAY wrong. The locker room adores Kolb, so much so that they played a huge role in making it clear they were fine with letting McNabb bounce. Honesty, in this case, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I didn't say the locker room doesn't like Kolb, I'm saying they want Vick as their QB...and I'm not making that up, Chris Collinsworth reported it.So maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but Chris Collinsworth certainly does.

Uh, no, he doesn't know what he is talking about either. Collinsworth is a joke of a reporter. He is better suited to color commentary on the Sunday night games and even then he isn't really all that good.

i suppose you'd do better. Collinworth is an excellent game commentator.

I could do no worse than Collinsworth as a reporter. I have no experience at game commenting, so thus Collinsworth is better than myself in that regard. My point was that Hucksy was referencing Collinsworth as a reporter of facts, when in fact he isn't even a reporter and never has been. Whatever "reporting" Collinsworth does is strictly his own take on a situation and is most definitely second, third or even fourth hand info. My other comment about Collinsworth being not all that good at color commentary was strictly my own perception and opinion. Others will certainly disagree.

i was referring to your comment that really isnt any good as a color commentator either. I don't agree. I think he is te best in the business right now.

 

[Insein]

The Eagles have a playoff caliber team in 2010 and thus is there is NO WAY that they should be "building for the future" and sacrificing wins in 2010 for the "development" of Kevin Kolb.

The NFL does not work this way unless you are already a bottom echelon team which the Eagles are not.

Vick will start against Detroit. I hope he does well and think that he can. Reid's ego and stubborness is as big as his gut, so he will go back to Kolb when he is healthy. However, in a scenario in which Mike Vick has played 1-1/2 games of dynamite football (assuming that he does play well this week), Kolb better step it up and play well himself in Weeks 3 and 4.

I don't usually advocate "owner involvement" but if I see a scenario unfold in which Vick is playing well, Kolb comes back and continues to play like his, granted small sample size, pre-seaon and 1H-Game body of work in weeks 3, 4 and 5, the Eagles ownership should absolutely have a little chat with Reid to the extent that he continues to be stubborn.

This is not college. The Eagle are not a team that has bee 4-12 for the past 3 years and now need to "develop" a Sam Bradford and take their lumps. They have playoff caliber talent and weapons on offense. There are no killer teams in the NFL, they all have flaws. You don't flush down the toilet opportunities to go deep into the playoffs in order to "develop" the guy who's been carrying clipboards for the past 3 years.

Maybe Kolb comes back and plays well out of the gates, but if not, the absolute right course of action is to then go back to Vick

This is the part I disagree with. I don't feel that we are better than an 8-8 or 9-7 team even with Vick. IF we do make the playoffs, I don't think we have enough to beat the Saints, Vikings, Packers or Cowboys in their stadium so whats the point. The Defense is young, starting 2 rookies. We need a year to gel together. Teams this young rarely win the Super Bowl. So why stunt our growth for the future? If Kolb can't play, lets find out this year instead of using Vick then letting him go next year only to find out next season that Kolb can't play. We play him this season to find out if we need to draft a high round QB next year. Thats what people don't get. If Vick takes us to the playoffs it will be like the Jeff Garcia year. Yea it was fun while it lasted but we knew ultimately that Jeff Garcia wasn't leading us to a Super Bowl.

 

[Amused to Death]

LHUCKS...I usually don't jump into your fray because your opinions are...unique, but usually just that, opinions. In this case, you are WAY wrong. The locker room adores Kolb, so much so that they played a huge role in making it clear they were fine with letting McNabb bounce. Honesty, in this case, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I didn't say the locker room doesn't like Kolb, I'm saying they want Vick as their QB...and I'm not making that up, Chris Collinsworth reported it.So maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but Chris Collinsworth certainly does.

Well here's your exact quote:If you polled the Eagles players right now 90% would say they want Vick as their QB...the team believes in him. Did you see the sidelines when Vick was ripping off runs and and throwing darts...the team was completely amped. That's a form of leadership...Kolb has barely been able to tie his shoes for the last five weeks....he had his chance.

Did Collinsworth poll the Eagles and reported 90% want Vick? Ok, the team believes in Vick. Great, he's the starter this week, I hope they trust him and believe he can lead them to a win. The team was amped? When they were staging a comeback!? Go on! Such nonsense! Now as for Kolb's chance being over....again I ask; are you referring to his 3 appearances in preseason games, his *10* week 1 passes, or both?

 

[Insein]

LHUCKS...I usually don't jump into your fray because your opinions are...unique, but usually just that, opinions. In this case, you are WAY wrong. The locker room adores Kolb, so much so that they played a huge role in making it clear they were fine with letting McNabb bounce. Honesty, in this case, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I didn't say the locker room doesn't like Kolb, I'm saying they want Vick as their QB...and I'm not making that up, Chris Collinsworth reported it.So maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but Chris Collinsworth certainly does.

Collinsworth is a national Color Commentary who visits Philly once a year. So of course he has the insight and intimate knowledge of the goings on in the Eagles locker room on a daily basis.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Collinsworth is a joke of a reporter. He is better suited to color commentary on the Sunday night games and even then he isn't really all that good.

i suppose you'd do better. Collinworth is an excellent game commentator.

I could do no worse than Collinsworth as a reporter. I have no experience at game commenting, so thus Collinsworth is better than myself in that regard. My point was that Hucksy was referencing Collinsworth as a reporter of facts, when in fact he isn't even a reporter and never has been. Whatever "reporting" Collinsworth does is strictly his own take on a situation and is most definitely second, third or even fourth hand info. My other comment about Collinsworth being not all that good at color commentary was strictly my own perception and opinion. Others will certainly disagree.

i was referring to your comment that really isnt any good as a color commentator either. I don't agree. I think he is te best in the business right now.

See? We disagree.

 

[delusional]

Reid said he is playing for the present and not the future and the present is to win games. With this, it would look like Vick should be the QB. Kolb looked dreadful.

This whole mess they have is their own doing.

Yet they will play Kolb during the year because this FO is so stubborn, they will lose games in order to look like they did not make a mistake ( 4yr project in Kolb, trading McNabb, etc )

 

[atl3695]

LHUCKS...I usually don't jump into your fray because your opinions are...unique, but usually just that, opinions. In this case, you are WAY wrong. The locker room adores Kolb, so much so that they played a huge role in making it clear they were fine with letting McNabb bounce. Honesty, in this case, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I didn't say the locker room doesn't like Kolb, I'm saying they want Vick as their QB...and I'm not making that up, Chris Collinsworth reported it.So maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but Chris Collinsworth certainly does.

Uh, no, he doesn't know what he is talking about either. Collinsworth is a joke of a reporter. He is better suited to color commentary on the Sunday night games and even then he isn't really all that good.

i suppose you'd do better. Collinworth is an excellent game commentator.

I could do no worse than Collinsworth as a reporter. I have no experience at game commenting, so thus Collinsworth is better than myself in that regard. My point was that Hucksy was referencing Collinsworth as a reporter of facts, when in fact he isn't even a reporter and never has been. Whatever "reporting" Collinsworth does is strictly his own take on a situation and is most definitely second, third or even fourth hand info. My other comment about Collinsworth being not all that good at color commentary was strictly my own perception and opinion. Others will certainly disagree.

Do you know what TV commentators do to prep for games? How is Colinsworth not a reporter as well as a commentator? What does a reporter do? Ask questions and get answers. Being a sports reporter is all about access. As part of the commentating crew, Colinsworth gets access to players and coaches the "reporters" can only dream of. His info is definitely first hand as he talks to players and coaches for HOURS every week. I am sure he has plenty of contacts among the players and coaches. The report seems credible.Players may like Kolb, but they also want to win now. Even Kolb's supporters agree Vick currently gives them the best chance to win. Football careers are short and players dont care about developing for the future. You think D-Jax wants to struggle with Kolb while trying to get a new contract? Or any player on the team wants to to 5-11 with Kolb when they know Vick can take them to the playoffs?

For all those that say the Eagles cant go to the Super Bowl, why not. They have a top 10 defense, plenty of weapons on offense, and good coaching for the first 55 minutes of games. Plenty of wild card teams get hot at the right time and go on runs. The Eagles have the talent to do it. Kolb gets til week 5 to get his stuff together and then you will (rightfully so) see Vick.

 

[LHUCKS]

For all those that say the Eagles cant go to the Super Bowl, why not. They have a top 10 defense, plenty of weapons on offense, and good coaching for the first 55 minutes of games. Plenty of wild card teams get hot at the right time and go on runs. The Eagles have the talent to do it.

If Vick is back in MVP form, this Eagles team has a decent shot at going to the SuperBowl...no question about it. People are underestimating exactly how good Vick used to be, and how good he is now. 10 weeks from now people are going to come back into this thread and delete their silly pro-Kolb posts (in an effort to save face) when Vick has electrified the NFL for several straight weeks and is leading the Eagles to the NFC East division title.Write it down, lock it up.

 

[renesauz]

For all those that say the Eagles cant go to the Super Bowl, why not. They have a top 10 defense, plenty of weapons on offense, and good coaching for the first 55 minutes of games. Plenty of wild card teams get hot at the right time and go on runs. The Eagles have the talent to do it.

If Vick is back in MVP form, this Eagles team has a decent shot at going to the SuperBowl...no question about it. People are underestimating exactly how good Vick used to be, and appears to be again. 10 weeks from now people are going to come back into this thread and delete their silly pro-Kolb posts (in an effort to save face) when Vick has electrified the NFL for several straight weeks and is leading the Eagles to the NFC East division title.Write it down, lock it up.

Well...I guess this means Kolb makes his first pro-bowl this year!

 

[Amused to Death]

For all those that say the Eagles cant go to the Super Bowl, why not. They have a top 10 defense, plenty of weapons on offense, and good coaching for the first 55 minutes of games. Plenty of wild card teams get hot at the right time and go on runs. The Eagles have the talent to do it.

If Vick is back in MVP form, this Eagles team has a decent shot at going to the SuperBowl...no question about it. People are underestimating exactly how good Vick used to be, and how good he is now. 10 weeks from now people are going to come back into this thread and delete their silly pro-Kolb posts (in an effort to save face) when Vick has electrified the NFL for several straight weeks and is leading the Eagles to the NFC East division title.Write it down, lock it up.

Who has said they think Kolb is better? By "pro-Kolb", are you referring to people who think he deserves more then 10 passes? You still won't clarify what you mean by "Kolb had his chance" either. Again I'll ask, do yo mean his appearances in 3 pre-season games plus 10 passes is sufficient to tell he's not an NFL QB?And you say "how good he (Vick) is now". "Now" is after 1 half of football. So Vick's one half >>>>Kolb's one half, therefore Vick is back and Kolb isn't an NFL QB?

 

[LHUCKS]

You still won't clarify what you mean by "Kolb had his chance" either. Again I'll ask, do yo mean his appearances in 3 pre-season games plus 10 passes is sufficient to tell he's not an NFL QB?

Yep, I've seen all of Kolb's snaps this year...enough to know he's not in Vick's league right now, not even in the same stratosphere.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

For all those that say the Eagles cant go to the Super Bowl, why not. They have a top 10 defense, plenty of weapons on offense, and good coaching for the first 55 minutes of games. Plenty of wild card teams get hot at the right time and go on runs. The Eagles have the talent to do it.

If Vick is back in MVP form, this Eagles team has a decent shot at going to the SuperBowl...no question about it. People are underestimating exactly how good Vick used to be, and how good he is now. 10 weeks from now people are going to come back into this thread and delete their silly pro-Kolb posts (in an effort to save face) when Vick has electrified the NFL for several straight weeks and is leading the Eagles to the NFC East division title.Write it down, lock it up.

No way sir, Vick may have looked good when playing from behind against the Packers but he couldn't lead the Falcons to the Super Bowl in his prime, he's not going to come close to doing it this year.Let me also say this. Last week I posted in several threads in here that you start Cutler last week versus Detroit and then trade him. So when Mike Vick goes off against Detroit this week, please don't use that as evidence because the Detroit defense outside the defensive line isn't as good as Alabama's defense.You watch Cutler this week versus Dallas, you'll see what his numbers are compared to what they were last week against Detroit. I'm starting Vick in 1 league this week and at this point, may even drop him the week after depending how he does this week and the news from Kolb but my point is as soon as he lines up against a decent defense with the score the same like at the beginning of the game, he'll be exposed just like Cutler will be exposed this week for those that think he's in the top tier after last week's numbers.

 

[atl3695]

No way sir, Vick may have looked good when playing from behind against the Packers but he couldn't lead the Falcons to the Super Bowl in his prime, he's not going to come close to doing it this year.Let me also say this. Last week I posted in several threads in here that you start Cutler last week versus Detroit and then trade him. So when Mike Vick goes off against Detroit this week, please don't use that as evidence because the Detroit defense outside the defensive line isn't as good as Alabama's defense.You watch Cutler this week versus Dallas, you'll see what his numbers are compared to what they were last week against Detroit. I'm starting Vick in 1 league this week and at this point, may even drop him the week after depending how he does this week and the news from Kolb but my point is as soon as he lines up against a decent defense with the score the same like at the beginning of the game, he'll be exposed just like Cutler will be exposed this week for those that think he's in the top tier after last week's numbers.

Those Atlanta teams were nowhere as good as this Philly team. There were 3 or 4 wins teams without Vick as evidenced by the year he got injured. Vicks prime may be yet to come.Looks like it was Dallas' defense that got exposed and not Cutler. You are just as wrong on Vick. Better not drop him so quick. He will be the starter by Week 5.