Should Shanahan Be Fired? (1 Viewer)

[Sammy Traveller]

I'm a long-suffering Redskins fan and am weary of the coaching carousel that has defined this team for the past decade. However, what Shanahan did yesterday with under two minutes remaining in the game vs the Lions is the worst coaching decision any coach in the Redskins has ever made since the end of Gibbs' first tenure. Worse than Norv, worse than Spurrier, yes, even worse than Zorn.

So, should Shanahan be fired?

Yes.

Let's move on to the next coach.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

One loss to the lions and Skins fans are freakin out.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

One loss to the lions and Skins fans are freakin out.

The Redskins already lost to the Lions last year. So that's an old story.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

Didn't realize there's already a thread on Shanahan elsewhere. Mods, please delete. Thanks.

 

[jsharlan]

He could put the towel boy in at QB and he's not getting fired this year or next.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Can you fire McNabb, too? And the offensive line?

The Redskins are averaging 5.3 adjusted net yards per pass attempt and allowing 5.8 adjusted net yards per pass attempt; that, along with mediocre efforts at rushing and stopping the run, seem to be Washington's biggest problems. And McNabb threw an inexcusable pick and took an inexcusable sack late in the game. I can understand why Shanahan benched him out of frustration. Wrong move, for sure, but it was a heat of the moment thing -- I can see why he did it. McNabb isn't playing terribly, but he certainly isn't blameless.

Getting lucky in wins over Dallas, Philadelphia and Green Bay set the expectations way too high for this team. They are an average team.

 

[Arizona Ron]

...yes, even worse than Zorn.

I stopped reading here.

 

[jojoh07]

Helllllls NO , but he might want to find a better qb , especially in the 2 min drill

 

[whitem0nkey]

I would happily trade Lovie Smith for Shanahan.

 

[=Smackdown=]

He could put the towel boy in at QB and he's not getting fired this year or next.

He'll easily outlast every player curently on that roster.

 

[Bri]

His tired coaching system was hired for a reason. I have no clue how he "freshens up" the WCO or his run-blocking scheme from Denver, but he'd better.

 

[southeastjerome]

Can you fire McNabb, too? And the offensive line?

The Redskins are averaging 5.3 adjusted net yards per pass attempt and allowing 5.8 adjusted net yards per pass attempt; that, along with mediocre efforts at rushing and stopping the run, seem to be Washington's biggest problems. And McNabb threw an inexcusable pick and took an inexcusable sack late in the game. I can understand why Shanahan benched him out of frustration. Wrong move, for sure, but it was a heat of the moment thing -- I can see why he did it. McNabb isn't playing terribly, but he certainly isn't blameless.

Getting lucky in wins over Dallas, Philadelphia and Green Bay set the expectations way too high for this team. They are an average team.

Give them some credit. The defense played really well in those games. And I love how everyone calls the Redskins "lucky" for beating Dallas because of that hold. If Orakpo was not held, he would have sacked Romo or at least impeded the throw.

 

[hootyhoo22]

no. even though jim mora was fired after 1 year. i just cant see them doing the same to shanny. but they need to get new o and def ecoordinators. sorry mike, but your son has got to go!!!

 

[faulkfan]

I'm a long-suffering Redskins fan and am weary of the coaching carousel that has defined this team for the past decade. However, what Shanahan did yesterday with under two minutes remaining in the game vs the Lions is the worst coaching decision any coach in the Redskins has ever made since the end of Gibbs' first tenure. Worse than Norv, worse than Spurrier, yes, even worse than Zorn. So, should Shanahan be fired?Yes.Let's move on to the next coach.

Now wait a cotton picking minute here. Is it possible that Shanny figured since McNabb already had his one TD for the day he decided to get another QB in there so they could go for the win instead of just a field goal? Let's not be too hard on the guy, he is 85 years old and has spent 55 of those years trying to get the remainder of his salary with the Raiders from Al Davis. You have to figure he is distracted and a little senile at this point.

 

[Eastwood]

if a clueless idiot like Zorn got 2 years, I think Shanny gets a decade long pass...

 

[Ghost Rider]

You do realize that Shanahan has a 4-12 team from last year already at 4-4 this year, right?

Oh, but he made one ill-advised decision yesterday, so let's get rid of him already. Yeah, that makes sense.

 

[RedskinsFan]

Not all Redskins Fans are as delussional as the OP. Please don't lump us all together. Hail!

 

[Masked Vigilante]

I'm sick of fans complaining about wanting their coaches fired.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Has anyone else besides Eagles' fans and people in the Philly area watched McNabb run the 2 minute drill over the last decade? He's terrible at it! By far the worst in the league. He NEVER shows any kind of urgency and makes HORRIBLE decisions in crunch time. It's one of the major reasons that he'll never be considered a great QB. It's one of the major reasons why Philly fans grew tired of him and were happy to see him leave. He and Reid made up the worst Head Coach/QB combo for clock management in NFL history. By a WIDE margin.

That's not to say that Shanny was right to pull him, but I'd certainly be concerned with McNabb running the 2 minute drill if I were Shanahan as well.

 

[fatness]

You do realize that Shanahan has a 4-12 team from last year already at 4-4 this year, right?

Quite true. Of course Jim Zorn started out 6-2, so Shanahan's fallen a bit short.

 

[Ghost Rider]

You do realize that Shanahan has a 4-12 team from last year already at 4-4 this year, right?

Quite true. Of course Jim Zorn started out 6-2, so Shanahan's fallen a bit short.

Heh, well, Jim Zorn replaced Joe Gibbs, while Shanny replaced, well, Jim Zorn.

 

[shredhead]

I'm a long-suffering Redskins fan and am weary of the coaching carousel that has defined this team for the past decade. However, what Shanahan did yesterday with under two minutes remaining in the game vs the Lions is the worst coaching decision any coach in the Redskins has ever made since the end of Gibbs' first tenure. Worse than Norv, worse than Spurrier, yes, even worse than Zorn. So, should Shanahan be fired?Yes.Let's move on to the next coach.

Can we have him back? I'm sure many Bronco fans would rather have Shanny back and let you guys have McDaniels. Come on Bowlen and Snyder, make this happen!

 

[Sammy Traveller]

Has anyone else besides Eagles' fans and people in the Philly area watched McNabb run the 2 minute drill over the last decade? He's terrible at it! By far the worst in the league. He NEVER shows any kind of urgency and makes HORRIBLE decisions in crunch time. It's one of the major reasons that he'll never be considered a great QB. It's one of the major reasons why Philly fans grew tired of him and were happy to see him leave. He and Reid made up the worst Head Coach/QB combo for clock management in NFL history. By a WIDE margin.That's not to say that Shanny was right to pull him, but I'd certainly be concerned with McNabb running the 2 minute drill if I were Shanahan as well.

umm. have you heard of Rex Grossman? not much choice on the 2-minute drill, isn't there?

 

[Sammy Traveller]

Not all Redskins Fans are as delussional as the OP. Please don't lump us all together. Hail!

 

[Diamond One]

I'm a long-suffering Redskins fan and am weary of the coaching carousel that has defined this team for the past decade. However, what Shanahan did yesterday with under two minutes remaining in the game vs the Lions is the worst coaching decision any coach in the Redskins has ever made since the end of Gibbs' first tenure. Worse than Norv, worse than Spurrier, yes, even worse than Zorn. So, should Shanahan be fired?Yes.Let's move on to the next coach.

Can we have him back? I'm sure many Bronco fans would rather have Shanny back and let you guys have McDaniels. Come on Bowlen and Snyder, make this happen!

Hey, now here is a post that makes sense! Would love to have Shanny back in Denver. I'm sure Washington fans would be delighted with McNuggets and his "this other time at band camp" playbook... Seriously Washington fans, give Shanny a chance. Look at what he has had to work with in his short tenure with the Redskins...Edut 'fer spelun'

 

[faulkfan]

Has anyone else besides Eagles' fans and people in the Philly area watched McNabb run the 2 minute drill over the last decade? He's terrible at it! By far the worst in the league. He NEVER shows any kind of urgency and makes HORRIBLE decisions in crunch time. It's one of the major reasons that he'll never be considered a great QB. It's one of the major reasons why Philly fans grew tired of him and were happy to see him leave. He and Reid made up the worst Head Coach/QB combo for clock management in NFL history. By a WIDE margin.

That's not to say that Shanny was right to pull him, but I'd certainly be concerned with McNabb running the 2 minute drill if I were Shanahan as well.

I think what made this comment credible, at least in my eyes, was that you didn't exaggerate or over generalize. You stuck to sound reasoning supported by facts.

 

[Warrior]

We don't need more fair-weather fans. Go root for someone else please.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

We don't need more fair-weather fans. Go root for someone else please.

I have no other team to root for. I would be like a hermit in the wilderness if I ever stopped rooting for the Redskins.On a new note, Shanahan appears to have another explanation for pulling McNabb. Hamstring and shin injuries. If so, saying Grossman was better at the two-minute drill, and saying this first, was perhaps an inelegant way of explaining this situation. Public relations screwup, rather than coaching competency, is more like it.In that case, keep Coach.Thread title to be edited.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Can you fire McNabb, too? And the offensive line?

The Redskins are averaging 5.3 adjusted net yards per pass attempt and allowing 5.8 adjusted net yards per pass attempt; that, along with mediocre efforts at rushing and stopping the run, seem to be Washington's biggest problems. And McNabb threw an inexcusable pick and took an inexcusable sack late in the game. I can understand why Shanahan benched him out of frustration. Wrong move, for sure, but it was a heat of the moment thing -- I can see why he did it. McNabb isn't playing terribly, but he certainly isn't blameless.

Getting lucky in wins over Dallas, Philadelphia and Green Bay set the expectations way too high for this team. They are an average team, at best.

Fixed, but otherwise,

 

[Lascelle]

We don't need more fair-weather fans. Go root for someone else please.

I have no other team to root for. I would be like a hermit in the wilderness if I ever stopped rooting for the Redskins.On a new note, Shanahan appears to have another explanation for pulling McNabb. Hamstring and shin injuries. If so, saying Grossman was better at the two-minute drill, and saying this first, was perhaps an inelegant way of explaining this situation. Public relations screwup, rather than coaching competency, is more like it.In that case, keep Coach.Thread title to be edited.

Long-term fans of the Broncos can tell you to expect many more "public relations screwups" in the future. Have fun with them!

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Your team sucks. He's made it suck slightly less than it should. Most fans of most teams would love to have Shanahan. Who cares why he benched McNabb - be it injury, or to send a message. He's shown in his career he deserves lots of trust. Have faith, and in a year your team should be pretty good.

 

[GOB]

I wonder how many fans of other teams would love to have Shanahan? I bet over 1/3rd.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

SF fans will trade HC's with you folk. Deal?

 

[GroveDiesel]

Has anyone else besides Eagles' fans and people in the Philly area watched McNabb run the 2 minute drill over the last decade? He's terrible at it! By far the worst in the league. He NEVER shows any kind of urgency and makes HORRIBLE decisions in crunch time. It's one of the major reasons that he'll never be considered a great QB. It's one of the major reasons why Philly fans grew tired of him and were happy to see him leave. He and Reid made up the worst Head Coach/QB combo for clock management in NFL history. By a WIDE margin.

That's not to say that Shanny was right to pull him, but I'd certainly be concerned with McNabb running the 2 minute drill if I were Shanahan as well.

I think what made this comment credible, at least in my eyes, was that you didn't exaggerate or over generalize. You stuck to sound reasoning supported by facts.

I've watched the guy for a decade. I'm not sure what "facts" you're looking for when talking about urgency running a 2 minute offense. I know what I've seen over and over and over again. Talk to any Eagles fan and they'll say the same thing. I just happen to also be unbiased since I now live in the area but aren't an Eagles fan. If you care to take issue with what I'm saying or have reason to dispute it, feel free to do so. Otherwise, your post was less than constructive.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Has anyone else besides Eagles' fans and people in the Philly area watched McNabb run the 2 minute drill over the last decade? He's terrible at it! By far the worst in the league. He NEVER shows any kind of urgency and makes HORRIBLE decisions in crunch time. It's one of the major reasons that he'll never be considered a great QB. It's one of the major reasons why Philly fans grew tired of him and were happy to see him leave. He and Reid made up the worst Head Coach/QB combo for clock management in NFL history. By a WIDE margin.That's not to say that Shanny was right to pull him, but I'd certainly be concerned with McNabb running the 2 minute drill if I were Shanahan as well.

This seems borderline racist.

 

[ookook]

Of course not. It was a bad long-term decision but not the end of the world. Probably should have lived with McNabb so as not to undermine him, even if he gave a lower chance of winning just this game.

Gonna do better next year at QB? Doubts.

 

[caglassc]

As a Cowboys fan - yes fire him. But, I must admit to do so would be a mistake. Shanahan is a great coach....I just think he isn't happy with the way McNabb runs HIS offense.

 

[SSOG]

We don't need more fair-weather fans. Go root for someone else please.

I have no other team to root for. I would be like a hermit in the wilderness if I ever stopped rooting for the Redskins.On a new note, Shanahan appears to have another explanation for pulling McNabb. Hamstring and shin injuries. If so, saying Grossman was better at the two-minute drill, and saying this first, was perhaps an inelegant way of explaining this situation. Public relations screwup, rather than coaching competency, is more like it.In that case, keep Coach.Thread title to be edited.

Long-term fans of the Broncos can tell you to expect many more "public relations screwups" in the future. Have fun with them!

This long-term fan of the Broncos will tell you nothing of the sort.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Has anyone else besides Eagles' fans and people in the Philly area watched McNabb run the 2 minute drill over the last decade? He's terrible at it! By far the worst in the league. He NEVER shows any kind of urgency and makes HORRIBLE decisions in crunch time. It's one of the major reasons that he'll never be considered a great QB. It's one of the major reasons why Philly fans grew tired of him and were happy to see him leave. He and Reid made up the worst Head Coach/QB combo for clock management in NFL history. By a WIDE margin.That's not to say that Shanny was right to pull him, but I'd certainly be concerned with McNabb running the 2 minute drill if I were Shanahan as well.

This seems borderline racist.

wat

 

[SWC]

Do you want fries with that? YES.

Edited: My answer is now NO. Fries are an unhealthy source of cholesterol.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Has anyone else besides Eagles' fans and people in the Philly area watched McNabb run the 2 minute drill over the last decade? He's terrible at it! By far the worst in the league. He NEVER shows any kind of urgency and makes HORRIBLE decisions in crunch time. It's one of the major reasons that he'll never be considered a great QB. It's one of the major reasons why Philly fans grew tired of him and were happy to see him leave. He and Reid made up the worst Head Coach/QB combo for clock management in NFL history. By a WIDE margin.That's not to say that Shanny was right to pull him, but I'd certainly be concerned with McNabb running the 2 minute drill if I were Shanahan as well.

This seems borderline racist.

wat

Isn't all criticism of McNabb racist?

 

[Twilight]

SF fans will trade HC's with you folk. Deal?

Washington can toss in McNabb as well. Somehow we'll deal.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Has anyone else besides Eagles' fans and people in the Philly area watched McNabb run the 2 minute drill over the last decade? He's terrible at it! By far the worst in the league. He NEVER shows any kind of urgency and makes HORRIBLE decisions in crunch time. It's one of the major reasons that he'll never be considered a great QB. It's one of the major reasons why Philly fans grew tired of him and were happy to see him leave. He and Reid made up the worst Head Coach/QB combo for clock management in NFL history. By a WIDE margin.That's not to say that Shanny was right to pull him, but I'd certainly be concerned with McNabb running the 2 minute drill if I were Shanahan as well.

This seems borderline racist.

wat

Isn't all criticism of McNabb racist?

 

[Novice2]

Has anyone else besides Eagles' fans and people in the Philly area watched McNabb run the 2 minute drill over the last decade? He's terrible at it! By far the worst in the league. He NEVER shows any kind of urgency and makes HORRIBLE decisions in crunch time. It's one of the major reasons that he'll never be considered a great QB. It's one of the major reasons why Philly fans grew tired of him and were happy to see him leave. He and Reid made up the worst Head Coach/QB combo for clock management in NFL history. By a WIDE margin.That's not to say that Shanny was right to pull him, but I'd certainly be concerned with McNabb running the 2 minute drill if I were Shanahan as well.

This seems borderline racist.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Has anyone else besides Eagles' fans and people in the Philly area watched McNabb run the 2 minute drill over the last decade? He's terrible at it! By far the worst in the league. He NEVER shows any kind of urgency and makes HORRIBLE decisions in crunch time. It's one of the major reasons that he'll never be considered a great QB. It's one of the major reasons why Philly fans grew tired of him and were happy to see him leave. He and Reid made up the worst Head Coach/QB combo for clock management in NFL history. By a WIDE margin.That's not to say that Shanny was right to pull him, but I'd certainly be concerned with McNabb running the 2 minute drill if I were Shanahan as well.

This seems borderline racist.

wat

Isn't all criticism of McNabb racist?

It is for some people that try to make every critical thing a race issue. Please let's don't do that here or get off track.J

 

[Ksquared]

I added the following to the Redskins Inseason Thread, but it may be more relevant in this thread:

Hasselbeck was just on ESPN radio and was asked about this situation. He played with McNabb in Philly and said the "pace/urgency" issue was a major problem in practice in Philly. He said that an assistant before almost every practice would tell McNabb "Coach needs more pace out of you in practice". It goes along with the Philly fans that talk about how he plays with a lack of urgency in late game situations.

This may have been Shanny saying simply "I don't care anymore with what "pace/urgency" you have gotten away with in the past, you have to pick it up or sit". This may not have been the best time to lay this down, but when would it be. By definition, if pace of play in the 2 miin drill is the issue, anytime you would ever sit someone in that situation would seem like throwing in the towel - since the game is still on the line. But if the player will not change/adjust with constant verbal addressing of the issue, then playing time is about the only thing left. If this is really the core of the issue, the real problem is the lack of a competent backup QB - putting Grossman in implies a sense of desperation and muddles the message that was being sent.