Should the Jets 'throw' the 06 season? (1 Viewer)

[Urinal Mint]

Listening to John Clayton this morning talk about the woeful situation the Jets running game will be in if Curtis Martin's health keeps him out of action this year, and then reading about the Jets management ignoring his pleas for them to draft his predecessor, I can't help but wonder... would it be good for the organization as a whole to use this as a "take one step back and two steps forward" situation and position themselves to draft Sooner phenom Adrian Peterson next year?

Let's face it... the Jets are probably going to stink anyway. Poor Eric Mangini has some talent on his squad but not enough to make a serious playoff run this season without some "out of nowhere" performances this season.

So, what would it hurt? Bomb the season and take the next Earl Campbell. It's the right thing to do.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

Listening to John Clayton this morning talk about the woeful situation the Jets running game will be in if Curtis Martin's health keeps him out of action this year, and then reading about the Jets management ignoring his pleas for them to draft his predecessor, I can't help but wonder... would it be good for the organization as a whole to use this as a "take one step back and two steps forward" situation and position themselves to draft Sooner phenom Adrian Peterson next year?Let's face it... the Jets are probably going to stink anyway. Poor Eric Mangini has some talent on his squad but not enough to make a serious playoff run this season without some "out of nowhere" performances this season.So, what would it hurt? Bomb the season and take the next Earl Campbell. It's the right thing to do.

i guess i don't see why it's so woeful. Blaylock is a very capable runner.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Depends what you mean by "putting themselves into position" to have the #1 overall pick - seems to me like they might already be in that position.

If you mean purposefully losing games, then no, I don't think that's ever the best thing for a team. I couldn't help but laugh at people who thought Houston was throwing games to get Reggie Bush - you have to think about it in real terms - there are coaches and players alike playing for jobs, lots of the people there aren't guaranteed to be on the Jets the following year - do you think they're going to hurt their chances in the off-season by playing like crap so the Jets get their RB of the future?

Just not feasable.

 

[FUBAR]

i guess i don't see why it's so woeful. Blaylock is a very capable runner.

NO, Blaylock is not a good RB. You have to give Houston and Washington a chance.Besides, we don't know that AD will be the top pick, it could be any of a few players. Quinn, some OLman, AD, or one of the WRs.

 

[Kleck.]

Peterson will not go #1. The Jets can win a few games and still be in range for him.

 

[zamboni]

I don't think any team would tank, but as a Jets fan/season ticket holder, I'd be mortified if there were any inclination.

I don't expect them to be good, but with the way things change rapidly in the NFL, you never know. Besides, there's no guarantee anyway of being in a better draft position.

 

[Urinal Mint]

The kid is just an absolute steamroller at RB.

 

[Jayded]

And who's to say that Peterson won't be there at # 2 or lower depending upon the teams picking at the top and their needs that they have? This coming year should be a fairly deep RB class with he and Lynch and Bush. Plus some of the teams who'll be drafting high will be looking at QB Brady Quinn as well.

 

[harryhood]

absolutely not, and to be honest, I really dont think the jets are a bad team this year....and a lot of people are overlooking this squad

 

[JayMan]

And who's to say that Peterson won't be there at # 2 or lower depending upon the teams picking at the top and their needs that they have? This coming year should be a fairly deep RB class with he and Lynch and Bush. Plus some of the teams who'll be drafting high will be looking at QB Brady Quinn as well.

Indeed... teams will look at Quinn and Brohm at QB... Johnson and Jarrett if they need a WR... Joe Thomas to upgrade their OL...Peterson will certainly go quickly - but to say he'll go 1st automatically is pushing it...

 

[NYG Endzone]

Just

End

The

Season

 

[Reaper]

It's not "Tanking".... It's called Developing a team - Building an OL, installing new systems and finding out Who is "with you" and Who is "Against you" - Who is buying into the system 100% - What players need to go and what positions need more talent....

I don't care if the Jets go 2-14 - The idiots out there will scream that they should have had Reggie Bush and that Mangini is an idiot - But, realty is that W/L don't matter in year 1 or a rebuild ASK NICK SABAN!!!!!!

All that matters is building that line and developing the team...

Hopefully by the end of the year the team has developed and is a much better squad than Game 1...

The following year is where you can now really trim the dead weight and add YOUR players.... Including a Top RB draft pick that can run behind a OL that has had time to grow.

They Should play this 100% like Nick Saban did - You run your team with long term development in mind - yeah, maybe you can win another game oir 2 with older vets playing in a few spots but, you need your kids to take their lumps and learn as they go....

I hope to see Clemens get some serious playing time....

Hey, the Jets may also Have Brady Quinn to pick from , you need to know what Clemens can do....

 

[Gandalf]

I think NFL teams should always try to win as many games as possible. Draft picks are risky. You never know what juniors will enter the draft, who will wind up injured or bad, and at the end of the day a bad team will get a shot at a good player whether they draft first or tenth. But the most important reason to try and win games this year is because winning is just way better than losing.

 

[Urinal Mint]

This is what Dallas did in 1989 when Jimmy Johnson took the reigns, and we all know how that turned out...

It's not "Tanking".... It's called Developing a team - Building an OL, installing new systems and finding out Who is "with you" and Who is "Against you" - Who is buying into the system 100% - What players need to go and what positions need more talent....

 

[zamboni]

It's not "Tanking".... It's called Developing a team - Building an OL, installing new systems and finding out Who is "with you" and Who is "Against you" - Who is buying into the system 100% - What players need to go and what positions need more talent....

Agreed - tanking means purposely losing, which I don't think any team would ever purposely do. Developing is finding system guys, and not sacrificing the future for the present if the risk/reward ratio is not deemed appropriate.I think "developing" is what we're talking about here, not tanking.

 

[FUBAR]

It's not "Tanking".... It's called Developing a team - Building an OL, installing new systems and finding out Who is "with you" and Who is "Against you" - Who is buying into the system 100% - What players need to go and what positions need more talent....

Agreed - tanking means purposely losing, which I don't think any team would ever purposely do. Developing is finding system guys, and not sacrificing the future for the present if the risk/reward ratio is not deemed appropriate.I think "developing" is what we're talking about here, not tanking.

The title is misleading then."Should the Jets 'throw' the 06 season?" - noShould the Jets develop the team? - of course

 

[helix]

I have felt the Jets made a huge mistake in not trading for RBush. The recent news of CMartin only reinforces my earlier belief.

Also, there is just about a 0% that APeterson goes #1 next year. I will make that wager all day long.

 

[Riffraff]

If one rookie makes or breaks your teams chances at success... get a new coaching staff.

 

[Kiddnets]

I have felt the Jets made a huge mistake in not trading for RBush. The recent news of CMartin only reinforces my earlier belief. Also, there is just about a 0% that APeterson goes #1 next year. I will make that wager all day long.

Would you have given up Brick, Mangold and a likely top 10 pick in 2007 for Bush? I wouldn't and thankfully Tangini didn't.

 

[zamboni]

I have felt the Jets made a huge mistake in not trading for RBush. The recent news of CMartin only reinforces my earlier belief. Also, there is just about a 0% that APeterson goes #1 next year. I will make that wager all day long.

Would you have given up Brick, Mangold and a likely top 10 pick in 2007 for Bush? I wouldn't and thankfully Tangini didn't.

Agreed. You have to go back to the old adage that games are generally won or lost in the trenches. Bush may be spectacular, but you can win with a decent RB as long as the other pieces are in place.

 

[Shrek]

Bump

 

[Reaper]

Bump

I stand by what I said...... It's still a rebuilding year to me - The Wins are nice though And Mangini is coaching his tail off... The OL is developing and the defense is taking hold...Wins are nice but, the overall direction, game planning and calls is what's really important long term.

 

[zamboni]

Bump

I stand by what I said...... It's still a rebuilding year to me - The Wins are nice though And Mangini is coaching his tail off... The OL is developing and the defense is taking hold...Wins are nice but, the overall direction, game planning and calls is what's really important long term.

Agree 100%.I think at some point, however, Mangini is going to need to find a primary RB and stick with him. It's working fine now, but I think eventually this constant rotation of backs will prevent the offense from developing longer term consistency. An identity, if you will.I don't if any of the 3 incumbents qualify to be a full-time back, and Peterson is likely out of the equation, so time will tell on this.

 

[Marvelous]

Bump

I stand by what I said...... It's still a rebuilding year to me - The Wins are nice though And Mangini is coaching his tail off... The OL is developing and the defense is taking hold...Wins are nice but, the overall direction, game planning and calls is what's really important long term.

Agree 100%.I think at some point, however, Mangini is going to need to find a primary RB and stick with him. It's working fine now, but I think eventually this constant rotation of backs will prevent the offense from developing longer term consistency. An identity, if you will.I don't if any of the 3 incumbents qualify to be a full-time back, and Peterson is likely out of the equation, so time will tell on this.

Why does Mangini need to find a primary RB? There are lots of teams that have used RBBC and/or situational RBs and are very successful.

 

[Kiddnets]

I have felt the Jets made a huge mistake in not trading for RBush. The recent news of CMartin only reinforces my earlier belief. Also, there is just about a 0% that APeterson goes #1 next year. I will make that wager all day long.

Would you have given up Brick, Mangold and a likely top 10 pick in 2007 for Bush? I wouldn't and thankfully Tangini didn't.

Anyone trade Brickshaw, Mangold and a 1st for Bush so far?

 

[zamboni]

Bump

I stand by what I said...... It's still a rebuilding year to me - The Wins are nice though And Mangini is coaching his tail off... The OL is developing and the defense is taking hold...Wins are nice but, the overall direction, game planning and calls is what's really important long term.

Agree 100%.I think at some point, however, Mangini is going to need to find a primary RB and stick with him. It's working fine now, but I think eventually this constant rotation of backs will prevent the offense from developing longer term consistency. An identity, if you will.I don't if any of the 3 incumbents qualify to be a full-time back, and Peterson is likely out of the equation, so time will tell on this.

Why does Mangini need to find a primary RB? There are lots of teams that have used RBBC and/or situational RBs and are very successful.

Fair point - I guess we Jets fans are a bit spoiled by having Curtis grind it out consistently for so long. Still, as noted, I think over the longer-term, the offense will be able to kick it to the next level if they can find a grinder and not have to rely so often on Chad's arm. I'm increasingly intrigued by Houston - I'd like to see him get a bigger workload.

 

[Shrek]

My favorite thing that Mangini has brought to the team is a new attitude. This team may get behind as in years past, but the difference now is they are tenacious and hang in the game instead of folding. And they're finding that they are better than they thought they were. You can't put a price on someone bringing that attitude to a team. Even that game they won over New England this year- I'll bet before it happened that most of them felt they couldn't do it. But they look different now.

My main concern is still Pennington. I don't think he is the long term answer. Yes, he does well when he gets protection, but what QB doesn't do well when they get protection? He still acts scared half the time. I think that's OK for a first or even third year QB to do sometimes, but he is too far along to keep doing this. I just don't want to have to wait another two or three years before we figure out what they have in Clemens.

 

[Righetti]

My favorite thing that Mangini has brought to the team is a new attitude. This team may get behind as in years past, but the difference now is they are tenacious and hang in the game instead of folding. And they're finding that they are better than they thought they were. You can't put a price on someone bringing that attitude to a team. Even that game they won over New England this year- I'll bet before it happened that most of them felt they couldn't do it. But they look different now.My main concern is still Pennington. I don't think he is the long term answer. Yes, he does well when he gets protection, but what QB doesn't do well when they get protection? He still acts scared half the time. I think that's OK for a first or even third year QB to do sometimes, but he is too far along to keep doing this. I just don't want to have to wait another two or three years before we figure out what they have in Clemens.

agree with you on Pennington.. I'm afraid he is not the long term answer and he has been spotty this year.. although somehow that Mario Williams hit seemed to knock him back into 2004..maybe it's like that TV that doesn't get great reception.. you bang on it with your fist and all of a sudden HDTV

 

[Kiddnets]

My favorite thing that Mangini has brought to the team is a new attitude. This team may get behind as in years past, but the difference now is they are tenacious and hang in the game instead of folding. And they're finding that they are better than they thought they were. You can't put a price on someone bringing that attitude to a team. Even that game they won over New England this year- I'll bet before it happened that most of them felt they couldn't do it. But they look different now.My main concern is still Pennington. I don't think he is the long term answer. Yes, he does well when he gets protection, but what QB doesn't do well when they get protection? He still acts scared half the time. I think that's OK for a first or even third year QB to do sometimes, but he is too far along to keep doing this. I just don't want to have to wait another two or three years before we figure out what they have in Clemens.

I agree - I think deep down Tangini knows that Chad is likely not the long term answer for this team. I would think Clemmens will be developed and get a shot at the job next training camp unless Chad ends the year in a flurry.

 

[Rovers]

I am hoping Clemens gets to start a couple of games before the year is out, but that seems unlikely. As much as I admire Pennington, I also have to agree he isn't the future.... but I'd like to have a glipmse at Clemens this year to see if he might be. The problem as I see it is that the Jets might be a legit playoff contender next year. That would make it more difficult to go with a young inexperienced QB like Clemens.

In short, the rebuild is going faster than I expected, and that hurts Clemens' chances of winning the job. He'll have to really light it up in next year's preseason to have a shot.

 

[Reaper]

I am hoping Clemens gets to start a couple of games before the year is out, but that seems unlikely. As much as I admire Pennington, I also have to agree he isn't the future.... but I'd like to have a glipmse at Clemens this year to see if he might be. The problem as I see it is that the Jets might be a legit playoff contender next year. That would make it more difficult to go with a young inexperienced QB like Clemens. In short, the rebuild is going faster than I expected, and that hurts Clemens' chances of winning the job. He'll have to really light it up in next year's preseason to have a shot.

Is Drob the answer at NT?Jets have Washington's 2nd round pick (NICE!!!)... That's 3 picks in the 1st two rounds that should net what... a RB, OLB and RT or G?I still think OL depth /upgrades is a priority though the OL at times looks great.

 

[Kiddnets]

I am hoping Clemens gets to start a couple of games before the year is out, but that seems unlikely. As much as I admire Pennington, I also have to agree he isn't the future.... but I'd like to have a glipmse at Clemens this year to see if he might be. The problem as I see it is that the Jets might be a legit playoff contender next year. That would make it more difficult to go with a young inexperienced QB like Clemens. In short, the rebuild is going faster than I expected, and that hurts Clemens' chances of winning the job. He'll have to really light it up in next year's preseason to have a shot.

Is Drob the answer at NT?Jets have Washington's 2nd round pick (NICE!!!)... That's 3 picks in the 1st two rounds that should net what... a RB, OLB and RT or G?I still think OL depth /upgrades is a priority though the OL at times looks great.

D rob has a huge cap number and is just not a great fit at NT. He has been playing better lately but I think if Tanny can rework his contract to something more manageable - he could be converted into a solid 3-4 DE. Jets need a huge bodied NT in the draft - someone like Ngata to free up Vilma and co. Also need a solid pass rusher in the draft or FA. Washington's pick should be a high 2nd rder so that will help.Needs: NT, Pass rush DE, playmaking RB and TE are the biggest needs IMO - then depth on the OL and defense in general. This year has been fun - next year should be even better!

 

[Mole]

I tend to disagree on needs for next year:

1. physical cornerback

2. pass rushing end

3. interior offensive line