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[longlip]

How much can we trust head coaches..2 weeks ago Bush was supposed to get 70% of carries and we saw how that worked out..Starks was supposed to be the man and now McCarthy says Grant will get more touches going forward..Grant is a vet and i know he understands the system better but imo is not as talented as Starks, I'm willing to bet this situation ends like the Dolphin situation but with Starks ending up with more touches...Coaches kill me with this stuff, and its only a matter of time before Shanahan aka Skeletor does the same thing, only he is know for this..

 

[Dizzy]

I think Sporano was trying to publicly motivate his rookie RB (who to that point had shown NO spark). And it looks like it worked. I think that it's fairly common knowledge that Bush is not an "every down" RB.

McCarthy might be trying to do the same thing. Grant clearly ran harder than Starks last week. Maybe coach is trying to light a fire here... get some friendly competition to fuel both of his RB's.

 

[lynx4ben]

Grant and Starks run differently enough that they can each serve a role in the Packers O this year. While I agree that Starks is the most explosive player, there is room for both of their talents.

Starks is a better WR out of the backfield and has more wiggle to his running. He has more burst than Grant.

Grant is a good one cut runner, makes quick decision, and finds the hole. Grant seems to have the ability to get one or two extra yards out of a run by being slippery at contact and generating power with a low center of gravity.

Grant will take what the blockers give him and add a min of yard or two. This is why he is valuable particularly in run out the clock mode. Starks can make more out of nothing but is not as decisive through the hole. When the Packers are down and need a big play I would expect Starks to be in there.

 

[display name]

How much can we trust head coaches..2 weeks ago Bush was supposed to get 70% of carries and we saw how that worked out..Starks was supposed to be the man and now McCarthy says Grant will get more touches going forward..Grant is a vet and i know he understands the system better but imo is not as talented as Starks, I'm willing to bet this situation ends like the Dolphin situation but with Starks ending up with more touches...Coaches kill me with this stuff, and its only a matter of time before Shanahan aka Skeletor does the same thing, only he is know for this..

The Packers just played their biggest game of the year so far, a road game at Soldier Field. Did you watch the game? Did you even look at the stat line? Starks looked terrible. He was tentative, wasn't reading his blocks, never once got downhill, and he had a horrible fumble that put Chicago back in the game. Grant looked great. It is only one game. It doesn't prove that Grant is better than Starks, or that Starks sucks (though he did suck in this game). Starks was good in the playoffs last year, so that has to be taken into consideration. So what can we really glean from this game? That McCarthy will ride the hot hand at RB, and that could easily change from week to week because Ryan Grant can still look better than Starks in any given game... significantly better.This isn't that similar to the Dolphins situation, and I don't think the analogy stands up. Bush has never developed into a workhorse, between the tackles back. So it makes sense that Daniel Thomas, since he seems to be able to get it done in that role, has stepped up and taken the lead in Miami. In Green Bay, you don't have that situation. Both backs are capable of carrying the rock in a feature role and running it between the tackles.And how does Shanahan fit in with this, anyway?

 

[FlapJacks]

but but but....starks is "explosive"

 

[Dizzy]

but but but....starks is "explosive"

Hah, I see that a lot on this board as well.Maybe time to tack a big "?" on the end of that sentence.

Or we could start a "Starks Future HOF" thread.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

McCarthy doesn't want to run the football. He's got a fantastic QB, and pass catching weapons galore. They aren't even using Randall Cobb, James Jones or Andrew Quarless.

IMO its start either Grant or Starks at your own risk. At the end of the year they may both have RB2 numbers, but the inconsistency in getting there could be maddening.

 

[display name]

McCarthy doesn't want to run the football. He's got a fantastic QB, and pass catching weapons galore. They aren't even using Randall Cobb, James Jones or Andrew Quarless. IMO its start either Grant or Starks at your own risk. At the end of the year they may both have RB2 numbers, but the inconsistency in getting there could be maddening.

They are calling passing plays roughly 60% of the time. They are 10th in rushing in the NFL right now with that 40% of running plays. I don't think the the reason that Starks and Grant are risky starts is because the Packers don't want to run the football. I think the Packers do want to the run the football no less than 40% of the time. And I think they can be successful with that ratio and put up fairly good rushing numbers. The reason they are risky starts is because you cannot be sure which one is going to have a good game, and Kuhn is the goal line back. People were ready to write off Ryan Grant after two weeks this season. Looks like that won't be happening.

 

[Johnny Blood]

McCarthy does want to run the ball and the rushing attack has been very effective. In fact the Packers have rushed for more yards and a higher YPC than they have in the first 3 games in any of McCarthy's seasons. So you can worry about individual rushers but not the team.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

... and now McCarthy says Grant will get more touches going forward.

Please post the quote you are referring to. Having followed McCarthy closely the past five years, I would say he chooses his words very carefully and they should be read very carefully. You may be correct here, but my guess is that this is more your interpretation of what he said than an actual quote.

 

[Reepicheep]

McCarthy doesn't want to run the football. He's got a fantastic QB, and pass catching weapons galore. They aren't even using Randall Cobb, James Jones or Andrew Quarless. IMO its start either Grant or Starks at your own risk. At the end of the year they may both have RB2 numbers, but the inconsistency in getting there could be maddening.

They are calling passing plays roughly 60% of the time. They are 10th in rushing in the NFL right now with that 40% of running plays. I don't think the the reason that Starks and Grant are risky starts is because the Packers don't want to run the football. I think the Packers do want to the run the football no less than 40% of the time. And I think they can be successful with that ratio and put up fairly good rushing numbers. The reason they are risky starts is because you cannot be sure which one is going to have a good game, and Kuhn is the goal line back. People were ready to write off Ryan Grant after two weeks this season. Looks like that won't be happening.

Agree, the Packers are going to run the ball. I just looked it up out of curiosity, they are a 57/43 team under McCarthy, and have only gone past 65/35 in 14 of 83 games (4-10 in those games BTW). They love the play action and are willing to run ineffectively just to set it up. The fact that so far they are running fairly effectively bodes well for continued rushing attempts.

 

[belljr]

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[McBokonon]

IT'S ALL A

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[Kitrick Taylor]

McCarthy doesn't want to run the football. He's got a fantastic QB, and pass catching weapons galore. They aren't even using Randall Cobb, James Jones or Andrew Quarless. IMO its start either Grant or Starks at your own risk. At the end of the year they may both have RB2 numbers, but the inconsistency in getting there could be maddening.

They are calling passing plays roughly 60% of the time. They are 10th in rushing in the NFL right now with that 40% of running plays. I don't think the the reason that Starks and Grant are risky starts is because the Packers don't want to run the football. I think the Packers do want to the run the football no less than 40% of the time. And I think they can be successful with that ratio and put up fairly good rushing numbers. The reason they are risky starts is because you cannot be sure which one is going to have a good game, and Kuhn is the goal line back. People were ready to write off Ryan Grant after two weeks this season. Looks like that won't be happening.

Agree, the Packers are going to run the ball. I just looked it up out of curiosity, they are a 57/43 team under McCarthy, and have only gone past 65/35 in 14 of 83 games (4-10 in those games BTW). They love the play action and are willing to run ineffectively just to set it up. The fact that so far they are running fairly effectively bodes well for continued rushing attempts.

You do realize that 57/43 is extremely pass heavy right? That's more passing than the Colts were doing even after Edgerrin James left. The 2007 Patriots threw it 56.5% of the time. That was the year Brady threw 50 TDs and and 4700+ yards. The only example I could find in a relatively quick look was the 2000 Rams. They threw it 60% of the time. They had the #1 offense that year and the #31 defense.

 

[belljr]

IT'S ALL A

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[GreenNGold]

How much can we trust head coaches..2 weeks ago Bush was supposed to get 70% of carries and we saw how that worked out..Starks was supposed to be the man and now McCarthy says Grant will get more touches going forward..Grant is a vet and i know he understands the system better but imo is not as talented as Starks, I'm willing to bet this situation ends like the Dolphin situation but with Starks ending up with more touches...Coaches kill me with this stuff, and its only a matter of time before Shanahan aka Skeletor does the same thing, only he is know for this..

You're wrong, the coaches can't even trust Starks right now. Grant is the clear #1 from here on out, I would not be surprised with similar production now compared to his back to back 1200 yard seasons.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

How much can we trust head coaches..2 weeks ago Bush was supposed to get 70% of carries and we saw how that worked out..Starks was supposed to be the man and now McCarthy says Grant will get more touches going forward..Grant is a vet and i know he understands the system better but imo is not as talented as Starks, I'm willing to bet this situation ends like the Dolphin situation but with Starks ending up with more touches...Coaches kill me with this stuff, and its only a matter of time before Shanahan aka Skeletor does the same thing, only he is know for this..

You're wrong, the coaches can't even trust Starks right now. Grant is the clear #1 from here on out, I would not be surprised with similar production now compared to his back to back 1200 yard seasons.

Wha?The Packers are doing just what they said they'd do back in the preseason. They are going with the hot hand. For whatever reason, Starks didn't have it this past weekend. Grant did. He got the lions' share of the carries because of it. I'd say its nearly a certainty that we'll see the opposite hold true in the near future. The Packers have two good RBs. They are going to use them both regardless of your fantasy team.

 

[GreenNGold]

How much can we trust head coaches..2 weeks ago Bush was supposed to get 70% of carries and we saw how that worked out..Starks was supposed to be the man and now McCarthy says Grant will get more touches going forward..Grant is a vet and i know he understands the system better but imo is not as talented as Starks, I'm willing to bet this situation ends like the Dolphin situation but with Starks ending up with more touches...Coaches kill me with this stuff, and its only a matter of time before Shanahan aka Skeletor does the same thing, only he is know for this..

You're wrong, the coaches can't even trust Starks right now. Grant is the clear #1 from here on out, I would not be surprised with similar production now compared to his back to back 1200 yard seasons.

Wha?The Packers are doing just what they said they'd do back in the preseason. They are going with the hot hand. For whatever reason, Starks didn't have it this past weekend. Grant did. He got the lions' share of the carries because of it. I'd say its nearly a certainty that we'll see the opposite hold true in the near future. The Packers have two good RBs. They are going to use them both regardless of your fantasy team.

Grant is back to form, has the trust of the coaches, and is now the clear #1 again. He is also more talented. Starks will only get garbage time or give Grant a breather from hear on out.EDIT: Assuming Grant is healthy. Starks will get the work (obviously) if Grant's kidney holds him back.

 

[Astangi]

How much can we trust head coaches..2 weeks ago Bush was supposed to get 70% of carries and we saw how that worked out..Starks was supposed to be the man and now McCarthy says Grant will get more touches going forward..Grant is a vet and i know he understands the system better but imo is not as talented as Starks, I'm willing to bet this situation ends like the Dolphin situation but with Starks ending up with more touches...Coaches kill me with this stuff, and its only a matter of time before Shanahan aka Skeletor does the same thing, only he is know for this..

You're wrong, the coaches can't even trust Starks right now. Grant is the clear #1 from here on out, I would not be surprised with similar production now compared to his back to back 1200 yard seasons.

Wha?

The Packers are doing just what they said they'd do back in the preseason. They are going with the hot hand. For whatever reason, Starks didn't have it this past weekend. Grant did. He got the lions' share of the carries because of it. I'd say its nearly a certainty that we'll see the opposite hold true in the near future. The Packers have two good RBs. They are going to use them both regardless of your fantasy team.

Grant is back to form, has the trust of the coaches, and is now the clear #1 again. He is also more talented. Starks will only get garbage time or give Grant a breather from hear on out.

Gotta say....that's the first time I've heard of Grant being more talented than Starks....or anyone other RB-prospect for that matter.

 

[qimqam]

McCarthy on the injuries: Grant and Bulaga will be hard-pressed to play. Both want to give it a try Sunday, but the medical staff isn't confident either will be ready. Grant's injury requires special protocol because of it being an internal injury.

http://www.jsonline..../130719498.html

 

[GreenNGold]

How much can we trust head coaches..2 weeks ago Bush was supposed to get 70% of carries and we saw how that worked out..Starks was supposed to be the man and now McCarthy says Grant will get more touches going forward..Grant is a vet and i know he understands the system better but imo is not as talented as Starks, I'm willing to bet this situation ends like the Dolphin situation but with Starks ending up with more touches...Coaches kill me with this stuff, and its only a matter of time before Shanahan aka Skeletor does the same thing, only he is know for this..

You're wrong, the coaches can't even trust Starks right now. Grant is the clear #1 from here on out, I would not be surprised with similar production now compared to his back to back 1200 yard seasons.

Wha?

The Packers are doing just what they said they'd do back in the preseason. They are going with the hot hand. For whatever reason, Starks didn't have it this past weekend. Grant did. He got the lions' share of the carries because of it. I'd say its nearly a certainty that we'll see the opposite hold true in the near future. The Packers have two good RBs. They are going to use them both regardless of your fantasy team.

Grant is back to form, has the trust of the coaches, and is now the clear #1 again. He is also more talented. Starks will only get garbage time or give Grant a breather from hear on out.

Gotta say....that's the first time I've heard of Grant being more talented than Starks....or anyone other RB-prospect for that matter.

People love to talk up prospects. Grant isn't a prospect, but a proven probowl caliber back.

 

[VikingFrog]

Looks like Starks will get a chance to sink or swim, barring a change here.

Packers coach Mike McCarthy told reporters Wednesday that he does not expect Ryan Grant (bruised kidney) to play in Week 4.McCarthy said he'll give Grant a "chance" to practice Friday, but for now both the coaching and medical staffs believe he'll be "pressed" to face Denver. McCarthy also noted that there is an NFL protocol for injuries like Grant's, suggesting he'll have to pass medical tests just to practice, let alone play. James Starks may be staring at a breakout game against the Broncos.Source: Tom Silverstein on TwitterSep 28 - 2:39 PM

 

[harryhood]

Looks like Starks will get a chance to sink or swim, barring a change here.

Packers coach Mike McCarthy told reporters Wednesday that he does not expect Ryan Grant (bruised kidney) to play in Week 4.McCarthy said he'll give Grant a "chance" to practice Friday, but for now both the coaching and medical staffs believe he'll be "pressed" to face Denver. McCarthy also noted that there is an NFL protocol for injuries like Grant's, suggesting he'll have to pass medical tests just to practice, let alone play. James Starks may be staring at a breakout game against the Broncos.Source: Tom Silverstein on TwitterSep 28 - 2:39 PM

Take it and run, Young James.

 

[smackdaddies]

How much can we trust head coaches..2 weeks ago Bush was supposed to get 70% of carries and we saw how that worked out..Starks was supposed to be the man and now McCarthy says Grant will get more touches going forward..Grant is a vet and i know he understands the system better but imo is not as talented as Starks, I'm willing to bet this situation ends like the Dolphin situation but with Starks ending up with more touches...Coaches kill me with this stuff, and its only a matter of time before Shanahan aka Skeletor does the same thing, only he is know for this..

Starks was never supposed to be the man, except in the fevered minds of overwrought fantasy geeks.