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Shouldn't someone ask if Chuck Pagano should wait to return? (1 Viewer)

Ministry of Pain

Ministry of Pain

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Christmas of all the days but I have serious questions about Pagano coming back with the Colts 1 week from the playoffs. Obviously things have been going well with Arians running things for the better part of the season. If I were the owner or GM, I might at least ask Pagano if he would mind letting things play out and then he could return in 2013 as the HC. Is there any possibility Pagano pushed to come back so that he can say he was in charge or the absolute HC should Indy make a Super Bowl run? You have to ask the question at least, yes/no? I know the guy has battled thru like a champion but I question the timing of this. I got nothing against Chuck, maybe this is what he needs on his road to recovery, that's fine but the last time we saw him I thought his speech and thoughts were slightly incoherent. Now a few weeks later he is ready to take right back over as HC.

 
'Ministry of Pain said:
Christmas of all the days but I have serious questions about Pagano coming back with the Colts 1 week from the playoffs. Obviously things have been going well with Arians running things for the better part of the season. If I were the owner or GM, I might at least ask Pagano if he would mind letting things play out and then he could return in 2013 as the HC. Is there any possibility Pagano pushed to come back so that he can say he was in charge or the absolute HC should Indy make a Super Bowl run? You have to ask the question at least, yes/no? I know the guy has battled thru like a champion but I question the timing of this. I got nothing against Chuck, maybe this is what he needs on his road to recovery, that's fine but the last time we saw him I thought his speech and thoughts were slightly incoherent. Now a few weeks later he is ready to take right back over as HC.
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I'm sure not a single person in the Colts organization thought of this at all! Quick, email it to them so they can take this into consideration before they make a hasty decision!
 
'Ministry of Pain said:
Christmas of all the days but I have serious questions about Pagano coming back with the Colts 1 week from the playoffs. Obviously things have been going well with Arians running things for the better part of the season. If I were the owner or GM, I might at least ask Pagano if he would mind letting things play out and then he could return in 2013 as the HC. Is there any possibility Pagano pushed to come back so that he can say he was in charge or the absolute HC should Indy make a Super Bowl run? You have to ask the question at least, yes/no? I know the guy has battled thru like a champion but I question the timing of this. I got nothing against Chuck, maybe this is what he needs on his road to recovery, that's fine but the last time we saw him I thought his speech and thoughts were slightly incoherent. Now a few weeks later he is ready to take right back over as HC.
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Hey why not? They kick players out of their positions when they get injured, why not coaches!
 
I'm quite certain he's not going to walk in and start acting like a Marine drill Sergeant on the sidelines. He knows things have been going well in his absence. He'll let his coordinators do their thing and he'll be there to call timeouts, make decisions on 4th down and generally just quietly delegate.

 
Yes. It is a very fair question. I really hope the story ends like a Disney movie, but I fear reality may not so kind.

 
'Ministry of Pain said:
Christmas of all the days but I have serious questions about Pagano coming back with the Colts 1 week from the playoffs. Obviously things have been going well with Arians running things for the better part of the season. If I were the owner or GM, I might at least ask Pagano if he would mind letting things play out and then he could return in 2013 as the HC. Is there any possibility Pagano pushed to come back so that he can say he was in charge or the absolute HC should Indy make a Super Bowl run? You have to ask the question at least, yes/no? I know the guy has battled thru like a champion but I question the timing of this. I got nothing against Chuck, maybe this is what he needs on his road to recovery, that's fine but the last time we saw him I thought his speech and thoughts were slightly incoherent. Now a few weeks later he is ready to take right back over as HC.
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This is why Irsay owns the Colts, and you blog your opinions on a football message board. My guess is he's got it covered. But, maybe you should write him to express these serious concerns.It doesn't matter to the owner, nor should it, but I agree with the move.
 
'cobalt_27 said:
'Ministry of Pain said:
Christmas of all the days but I have serious questions about Pagano coming back with the Colts 1 week from the playoffs. Obviously things have been going well with Arians running things for the better part of the season. If I were the owner or GM, I might at least ask Pagano if he would mind letting things play out and then he could return in 2013 as the HC. Is there any possibility Pagano pushed to come back so that he can say he was in charge or the absolute HC should Indy make a Super Bowl run? You have to ask the question at least, yes/no? I know the guy has battled thru like a champion but I question the timing of this. I got nothing against Chuck, maybe this is what he needs on his road to recovery, that's fine but the last time we saw him I thought his speech and thoughts were slightly incoherent. Now a few weeks later he is ready to take right back over as HC.
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This is why Irsay owns the Colts, and you blog your opinions on a football message board. My guess is he's got it covered. But, maybe you should write him to express these serious concerns.It doesn't matter to the owner, nor should it, but I agree with the move.
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:rolleyes: Irsay owns the Colts because he inherited them from daddy.
 
'Hang 10 said:
'cobalt_27 said:
'Ministry of Pain said:
Christmas of all the days but I have serious questions about Pagano coming back with the Colts 1 week from the playoffs. Obviously things have been going well with Arians running things for the better part of the season. If I were the owner or GM, I might at least ask Pagano if he would mind letting things play out and then he could return in 2013 as the HC. Is there any possibility Pagano pushed to come back so that he can say he was in charge or the absolute HC should Indy make a Super Bowl run? You have to ask the question at least, yes/no? I know the guy has battled thru like a champion but I question the timing of this. I got nothing against Chuck, maybe this is what he needs on his road to recovery, that's fine but the last time we saw him I thought his speech and thoughts were slightly incoherent. Now a few weeks later he is ready to take right back over as HC.
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This is why Irsay owns the Colts, and you blog your opinions on a football message board. My guess is he's got it covered. But, maybe you should write him to express these serious concerns.It doesn't matter to the owner, nor should it, but I agree with the move.
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:rolleyes: Irsay owns the Colts because he inherited them from daddy.
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Lots of people inherit businesses. Many run them into the ground. Irsay is bat #### crazy, but he's done a damn good job with that franchise. I'd defer to him on what's logistically best for the team. MoP as usual just trying to be edgy and provocative.
 
Someone should ask it but they won't because they are worried about hurting his feelings, or demeaning what he has went through to get back. I think it is a legit question, and personally if it was me I would have taken the rest of the season to get well (even if I was well) and watched from the luxury boxes and tried to not mess with what the Colts have going, young teams can get side tracked or thrown off very easy.

 
'cobalt_27 said:
'Hang 10 said:
'cobalt_27 said:
'Ministry of Pain said:
Christmas of all the days but I have serious questions about Pagano coming back with the Colts 1 week from the playoffs. Obviously things have been going well with Arians running things for the better part of the season. If I were the owner or GM, I might at least ask Pagano if he would mind letting things play out and then he could return in 2013 as the HC. Is there any possibility Pagano pushed to come back so that he can say he was in charge or the absolute HC should Indy make a Super Bowl run? You have to ask the question at least, yes/no? I know the guy has battled thru like a champion but I question the timing of this. I got nothing against Chuck, maybe this is what he needs on his road to recovery, that's fine but the last time we saw him I thought his speech and thoughts were slightly incoherent. Now a few weeks later he is ready to take right back over as HC.
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This is why Irsay owns the Colts, and you blog your opinions on a football message board. My guess is he's got it covered. But, maybe you should write him to express these serious concerns.It doesn't matter to the owner, nor should it, but I agree with the move.
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:rolleyes: Irsay owns the Colts because he inherited them from daddy.
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Lots of people inherit businesses. Many run them into the ground. Irsay is bat #### crazy, but he's done a damn good job with that franchise. I'd defer to him on what's logistically best for the team. MoP as usual just trying to be edgy and provocative.
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Its an NFL franchise your not running it into the ground in the mid-west unless you try to. Look how inept the Rams have been not going over .500 in 10 years and still gets about 85% attendance to games each year.The most important thing an owner in the NFL can do is just hire someone with a football mind and sit in the background.In the end Hang 10 lets go back and see if you ever made a comment on something a team should already be looking at. Who cares if the Colts already thought about this, they are not reading this forum anyways. This board is about throwing out ideas to see what the "masses" think about it.Personally I was shocked he was coming back at this point in the season and what are they going to do if their interim head coach leaves the colts to coach elsewhere and they go 6-10 next season? Might not happen but you at this point at least know what your getting if you leave the pieces in place. On the flip side having "their coach" come back to them could motivate the team even more?
 
I understand the concern and why mess with a good thing but I doubt it will be an issue. I am assuming that Pagano is back but we all know things are going well so I doubt that he does much to disrupt what they have going. His return is hopefully some additional inspiration for his players as they near the end of a very successful season.

 
Clock strikes mid-night soon enough.

Combined record of the teams the Colt's beat at the time they played them...

26 wins, 54 losses

 
I think that it's a very fair question, but the real question in my mind is how will the stress of the job affect his health?

 
'Drop said:
I think that it's a very fair question, but the real question in my mind is how will the stress of the job affect his health?
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This is what concerns me most of all - my uncle passed away a couple years ago from a very similar type of leukemia to what Pagano had. Let me tell you, the treatment Pagano just went through is BRUTAL on the body. I sincerely hope he is back to a level of health that can handle the type of stress "NFL-Playoff Head Coach" entails
 
'Ministry of Pain said:
Christmas of all the days but I have serious questions about Pagano coming back with the Colts 1 week from the playoffs. Obviously things have been going well with Arians running things for the better part of the season. If I were the owner or GM, I might at least ask Pagano if he would mind letting things play out and then he could return in 2013 as the HC. Is there any possibility Pagano pushed to come back so that he can say he was in charge or the absolute HC should Indy make a Super Bowl run? You have to ask the question at least, yes/no? I know the guy has battled thru like a champion but I question the timing of this. I got nothing against Chuck, maybe this is what he needs on his road to recovery, that's fine but the last time we saw him I thought his speech and thoughts were slightly incoherent. Now a few weeks later he is ready to take right back over as HC.
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He is the head coach, he is in charge. This is so dumb on so many levels.
 
'Raider Nation said:
I'm quite certain he's not going to walk in and start acting like a Marine drill Sergeant on the sidelines. He knows things have been going well in his absence. He'll let his coordinators do their thing and he'll be there to call timeouts, make decisions on 4th down and generally just quietly delegate.
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Do you forget he is the head coach? Gees, you guys are foolish, you are very jaded to think he has not had a say in how his team has been ran.
 
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'Phenix said:
'Raider Nation said:
I'm quite certain he's not going to walk in and start acting like a Marine drill Sergeant on the sidelines. He knows things have been going well in his absence. He'll let his coordinators do their thing and he'll be there to call timeouts, make decisions on 4th down and generally just quietly delegate.
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Do you forget he is the head coach? Gess, you guys are foolish, you are very jaded to think he has not had a say in how his team has been ran.
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Yes, he was busy installing game plans on his deathbed. :mellow:
 
'Chris Brody said:
'Phenix said:
'Raider Nation said:
I'm quite certain he's not going to walk in and start acting like a Marine drill Sergeant on the sidelines. He knows things have been going well in his absence. He'll let his coordinators do their thing and he'll be there to call timeouts, make decisions on 4th down and generally just quietly delegate.
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Do you forget he is the head coach? Gees, you guys are foolish, you are very jaded to think he has not had a say in how his team has been ran.
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Yes, he was busy installing game plans on his deathbed. :mellow:
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He was getting treatment, not on his death bed, you insensitive...Its funny that people think a coach should not be back to coach because he has missed some games. He is not a player, do you think he just forgets how to be a head coach? Because I'm sure you would get a job as a head coach if you forget how to coach in 3 months. To think he has not had a hand in the team he runs, well you know nothing of football my friend. I bet he just sat in his room and watched no football or film, did not get updates, or has not been consulted on any of the big decisions. This is not the typical industry. Is it not his playbook and plays he installed that they are running? Is it not his practice schedule?The lack of thinking on this subject is ignorant.
 
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Dan Sileo was all over this topic today down here in South Florida, it is worthy of discussion and I appreciate those who posted also voicing concerns for a variety of reasons.

 
I'm in full agreement with Phenix here. None of us know what he has been doing behind the scenes. Obviously Irsay trusts him. Maybe we should too?

As a Colts fan, I want to see Chuck in the sidelines, win or lose. Arians has done a fine job in the Head Coach's absence.

 
'pizzatyme said:
I'm in full agreement with Phenix here. None of us know what he has been doing behind the scenes.
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Sure we do.
He continually watched practice tape and game film on his computer, used phone calls and text messages to regularly communicate with players and occasionally delivered a pregame or postgame speech to his team.
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Did you see any mention of "coaching" in there?
"I asked him (Arians) if he would lead this team and this ballclub and this organization and take over the reins," Pagano said. "What a masterful, masterful job you did Bruce. You carried the torch and all you went out and did was win nine ballgames. You got us our 10th win yesterday and you got us into the playoffs. You did it with dignity and you did it with class. You're everything that I always knew you were and more."
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http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/pagano-back-to-coach-colts-after-cancer-treatment/article_dfce2d0e-79f4-5aa6-8167-b7112cc0cea5.html
Pagano praised Colts owner Jim Irsay for his support and said he was blown away by how well Bruce Arians has run the team as the interim head coach in Pagano’s absence. Now, Pagano says, he’s delighted to be coaching the Colts in Sunday’s regular-season finale and into the playoffs.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/24/chuck-pagano-returns-to-colts-tears-up-describing-wifes-support/I couldn't be happier that the man is healthy. But you guys are seeing things that aren't there.

If you've ever had the misfortune of being close to someone who is battling cancer, it's a full-time fight. There is no time for trivial things like babysitting Bruce Arians. I don't know why it's such a horrible thing to give Arians full credit for the amazing job he's done. Pagano did so... why can't everyone else?

 
And I also know that Pagano was at Lucas Oil Stadium sitting right beside either Irsay or Grigson during the last 2 games.

What would you expect Pagano to say even if he had a hand in the results? He would never try to steal the thunder of Arians. Just because Pagano said those things still doesn't tell us what he was doing behind the scenes.

I give Arians full credit. Now the Head Coach is back, for a reason.

 
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I'm a Colts fan FWIW.

It's my opinion that Pagano should not come back this season - certainly not for the very last game and heading into the playoffs. There is something to be said for disrupting chemistry. I hope I'm wrong and his return sparks some magic, but the timing on this is bad IMO.

 
'T J said:
I'm a Colts fan FWIW.It's my opinion that Pagano should not come back this season - certainly not for the very last game and heading into the playoffs. There is something to be said for disrupting chemistry. I hope I'm wrong and his return sparks some magic, but the timing on this is bad IMO.
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Well your opinion was off just like the rest that had the same. Stick to f"fantasy football" And let the big boys decide if that question should be asked. Having seen people close to me have cancer it does not limit your ability to make decisions.
 
'Billy Ball Thorton said:
'T J said:
I'm a Colts fan FWIW.It's my opinion that Pagano should not come back this season - certainly not for the very last game and heading into the playoffs. There is something to be said for disrupting chemistry. I hope I'm wrong and his return sparks some magic, but the timing on this is bad IMO.
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Well your opinion was off just like the rest that had the same. Stick to f"fantasy football" And let the big boys decide if that question should be asked. Having seen people close to me have cancer it does not limit your ability to make decisions.
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Fantastic post, if it actually had anything to do with TJ's point.
 
I couldn't be happier that the man is healthy. I already stated that.

But the obsession some of you have with him is bizarre. The team was rolling along and he's not Vince Lombardi.

 
'Raider Nation said:
'Billy Ball Thorton said:
'T J said:
I'm a Colts fan FWIW.It's my opinion that Pagano should not come back this season - certainly not for the very last game and heading into the playoffs. There is something to be said for disrupting chemistry. I hope I'm wrong and his return sparks some magic, but the timing on this is bad IMO.
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Well your opinion was off just like the rest that had the same. Stick to f"fantasy football" And let the big boys decide if that question should be asked. Having seen people close to me have cancer it does not limit your ability to make decisions.
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Fantastic post, if it actually had anything to do with TJ's point.
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Since you chose not to mention it I will: TJ's point was wrong.
 
'Raider Nation said:
'cobalt_27 said:
'Raider Nation said:
'cobalt_27 said:
'Raider Nation said:
'pizzatyme said:
I hope this puts this #### to rest. Pagano is back!!!
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He's now 2-2 as HC.Arians is 9-3.
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Seriously? Some of you guys have no clue.
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Like you for example.
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Snappy comeback. Needs about as much work as your skills in quantitative interpretation.
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:mellow:
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I mean, any time you can draw inferences based on small sample sizes, you just have to drive that baby home.
 
'Raider Nation said:
'pizzatyme said:
'Raider Nation said:
I couldn't be happier that the man is healthy. I already stated that.But the obsession some of you have with him is bizarre. The team was rolling along and he's not Vince Lombardi.
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How do you know? I mean besides the fact they have different names.
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Good luck next week. I mean that.
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Win or lose it won't be because Pagano is back. This is still a young team. One with wins over Green Bay, Houston, and Minnesota. I'll take it.
 
'pizzatyme said:
'Raider Nation said:
'pizzatyme said:
'Raider Nation said:
I couldn't be happier that the man is healthy. I already stated that.But the obsession some of you have with him is bizarre. The team was rolling along and he's not Vince Lombardi.
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How do you know? I mean besides the fact they have different names.
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Good luck next week. I mean that.
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Win or lose it won't be because Pagano is back. This is still a young team. One with wins over Green Bay, Houston, and Minnesota. I'll take it.
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The Ravens tanked today because they WANT the Colts next week. I hope you shove it up their ###!
 
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