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Sleeper Alert: Rob Kelley - RB - WAS (2 Viewers)
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DarkKnightsGuru
Footballguy
Ok Similar backs Blount and Lacey have gotten the job done .. Look at Blount not a gifted runner, not fast but is sure producing ..
I call this kid Lacey 2.0 .. A thinner Lacey offcourse
I call this kid Lacey 2.0 .. A thinner Lacey offcourse
I would say Blount is gifted. Not too many his size can move like him. Lacy maybe. But Zac Stacy comes to my mind as a better comp. Good enough to get the job done when needed.
zamboni
Footballguy
Except Lacy can catch the ball pretty well, and as a result, is a 3-down back when healthy and thus stays on the field on passing downs. Unless Kelley can show that he can be productive in the passing game, he's going to be very game-script dependent.
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Fat Nick
Footballguy
I started him...The rest of my team sucked and I came up 0.4 points short of a win.
Regarding his stats going forward - Very match-up dependent. I don't care what you think of his ability, a guy who has 3 TD's in a game should be considered a pretty good fantasy RB. He's clearly got a solid opportunity on a team that runs near the goal line. That's more than most RB's can say these days.
Regarding his stats going forward - Very match-up dependent. I don't care what you think of his ability, a guy who has 3 TD's in a game should be considered a pretty good fantasy RB. He's clearly got a solid opportunity on a team that runs near the goal line. That's more than most RB's can say these days.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yes, and if they could play the packers all-high school level defense every week you'd probably get that production out of him.
why are so many here ignoring that this didn't even resemble an NFL defense?
Look, Kelley did a great job last night. Cap tip for that. He ran hard and lwith intensity. I take none of that away.
The takeaway from last night was this: he had a good game last night.
Thats pretty much it. You really can't project anything based on last night's game. Packers defense was riddled with injury and played like hot garbage on a cold night.
This was Kelley's career game, IMO.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Blount is a 250 lbs wrecking ball with far more power. Kelley isn't close to Blount.
Only if you're talking about fat & sloppy Lacy, because he looks nothing like the rookie Eddie Lacy that was a combo of power and speed with great hands to boot. Kelley has oven mitts for hands.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
MattFancy
Footballguy
I'm not saying he's not useful. Just that he's not some end all be all stud. He's a nice RB2 going forward. Nothing more. And he's nor guaranteed anything beyond this year.
heckmanm
Footballguy
I have him on a rebuilding contract-league team. Just dangled him to 3 teams who are weak-ish at RB and still in the playoff hunt.Anyone sell him yet? What are you looking for if you do? I had a guy text after his first TD and told him I'd think about it. Now after 3 TD's.
Our trade deadline is Wednesday night
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
In this age of fantasy football when many people are forced to rely on RBs who can't play every offensive snap either because of the way their team is coached or they are just a specialty player I am perfectly happy with a back that doesn't have much competition and is carrying the ball 20 times. Unless you are lucky enough to have drafted some of the few backs that remained healthy and are producing then I think you would be very happy with finding Kelley.
My team relies on top performing WRs so I've been left with RBs that I'm lucky to get 10 points from each week. To be able to get a back off waivers that can give me that many carries and a good shot at over 10 points each week I'm very happy. Even when he wasn't scoring TDs he gave me 10 points.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Of course people were happy with him. It would be crazy to not be thrilled with that production.
But he's not going to carry the ball 20 times every week. He's more likely a 12-14 carry guy with 0 receptions and is extremely unlikely to break long runs again any time soon. This performance was predicated on how this particular game went against this particular defense. That's the point.
He also does have Chris Thompson as competition, and will lose touches both on the ground and especially in the air to him.
And that's probably a much more realistic hope for him on a weekly basis. Except it won't be on 20 carries because this was his high water mark.
Hope for 10, anything above that is a bonus. If he goes 50 yards and a TD, woot!. If he goes 90 yards and no TD, woot! No one is arguing this, certainly not me. But don't expect production going forward to even vaguely resemble last night.
If he gives you 15 points against Dallas I'll change my tune.
The way I understood it, he made the team because they liked his versatility. He caught 46 balls in a season at Tulane, so there must be some ability to catch the football there. I don't expect him to unseat Thompson from that role, but I wouldn't be surprised if Kelley were to catch a few balls eventually. Granted, I haven't been able to watch his every down so far, so I haven't seen how unnatural he looks catching the football, but 46 catches from a RB in college is a pretty substantial number, so there must be some ability there.
Again, for the detractors, I am not trying to sell him as a future 3 down ppr monster, just saying that he may not be as terrible as catching the ball as his numbers thus far indicate.
Also, I would say the Stacy comp might be pretty spot on. Stacy seemed to always be pushing forward during his one productive season, but his lack of quicks caused him to leave a lot of yards on the field. Kelley seems to suffer from the same problem, for each time he grinds and fights to turn a 2 yard run into a 4 yard run, he probably settles for 4 yards on runs where a bit more speed could have gotten him 10. Long term, I don't think anyone can speak to his role until we see how Washington handles the off-season, but for now, I am going to ride this train as long as it's running.
Again, for the detractors, I am not trying to sell him as a future 3 down ppr monster, just saying that he may not be as terrible as catching the ball as his numbers thus far indicate.
Also, I would say the Stacy comp might be pretty spot on. Stacy seemed to always be pushing forward during his one productive season, but his lack of quicks caused him to leave a lot of yards on the field. Kelley seems to suffer from the same problem, for each time he grinds and fights to turn a 2 yard run into a 4 yard run, he probably settles for 4 yards on runs where a bit more speed could have gotten him 10. Long term, I don't think anyone can speak to his role until we see how Washington handles the off-season, but for now, I am going to ride this train as long as it's running.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Actually no one said you should take a third for him - just that you wouldn't likely get a better offer so if you were a believer you should hold.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
This was the point I was just going to make. Since he's been given the chance to take over he's averaged 22.33 carries in 3 games with a healthy Thompson to steal carries from him. He's averaging 107 yards over those 3 games. He's averaging 4.79 yards per carry.
Since no one expects him to continue this run lets just tone down projections a little and say he averages 4 yards on 18 carries. That would be 72 yards with the possibility for a TD. I'm happy with that projection and it's not even that optimistic.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He's a solid RB2 at worst for the rest of this season. I don't think there's much doubt about that. I find the dynasty talk more interesting at this point. Is he Arian Foster or Zach Stacy?
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Catching 46 balls in a single ncaa season is actually a ton of catches...
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It is.
He actually had a very weird college career. Only 1,270 rushing yards for his entire career with 6 rushing TDs (only 286 yards rushing the season he had 46 receptions). Only 86 receptions and 6 receiving TDs for his career. Came back for a fifth year after missing 2014 (which also means he's an "old" rookie for those looking at his dynasty prospects).
That's why what he's doing is so remarkable on many levels - He has terrible metrics and the guy wasn't even a productive college player in a non-major conference.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Having suffered through the inconsistent usage of a "better" RB this year with Ingram (who I thankfully benched for Kelley this week), I am thrilled. I won't make any comparisons with other backs, I don't much care either that he doesn't have good hands and won't be used much in the passing game, though it'd be nice. I am just very happy to have grabbed a dude for free who is actually getting 20+ touches a week and is running hard on a good offense. Last night may well have been a career game for him, but if he continues to average in the 60-80 yard range with a good shot at a TD each week, what's to complain about? He's getting more touches at a crucial point in the season than anyone I drafted, i'm enjoying it for as long as it lasts.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I think the bold is the most important part for everyone to look at. All I ask for is 60 to 80 yards and goal line carries every week. Consistently scoring me points is what I need.
kutta
Footballguy
I'm a big fan, but yet to play him. His schedule the rest of the way is absolutely brutal though (He plays the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 7th toughest teams for giving up RB points). And, four out of five road games for the rest of the fantasy season.
at Cowboys (7th)
at Cardinals (2nd)
at Eagles (5th)
vs Panthers (3rd)
at Bears (4th)
vs Giants (week 17)
at Cowboys (7th)
at Cardinals (2nd)
at Eagles (5th)
vs Panthers (3rd)
at Bears (4th)
vs Giants (week 17)
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
That schedule does suck and is a bit unfortunate but if your expectations as an owner remain reasonable, he can still perform like a low end RB2 which would satisfy most and certainly beats rolling out guys like Ingram and watching him get 8 carries for 40 yards while Hightower gets twice as many and does half as much. At least Kelley is getting 20-ish touches most weeks, to find that on the waiver wire at this time of year is gold.
worrierking
Footballguy
Performances like this buy time for guys like Kelley who are middling talents. The team is winning and the offense is looking good. He is getting some of the credit.
I think he has earned good playing time for the remainder of the season, which makes him a viable option. He likely will be the starter at the beginning of next year if he is healthy, which gives him some value in dynasty. The running back position is extremely volatile, so anyone in his situation has decent value and that's pretty good for a speculative pick-up like him.
I think he has earned good playing time for the remainder of the season, which makes him a viable option. He likely will be the starter at the beginning of next year if he is healthy, which gives him some value in dynasty. The running back position is extremely volatile, so anyone in his situation has decent value and that's pretty good for a speculative pick-up like him.
Boone22
Footballguy
For dynasty the next few games will give us a good idea of his future prospects. If he bombs, he may not make it into next year but if he produces, he has a shot to establish himself as the 2017 starter.
montana_grizzly_bears
Footballguy
People always complain when a back does horrible against a defense that is below them, but when they actually do what is expected against a bad defense- the excuse is that the defense was bad and he would never do that against a better defense. Looking at most projections last week it was in the range of 12-15 carries, about 65-70 yards and maybe a touchdown. That is RB2 territory. He ended up pretty much doubling what was expected. I will take that anyday of the week.
I guess you just can't win with some people, but come on, pick one side or the other. .
I guess you just can't win with some people, but come on, pick one side or the other. .
I'm sold on the kid...ton of attempts gaining positive yardage (not ripping off 15 yards then tackled behind the line for an 8 yard loss, for example), lead back getting touches and an offense that has looked pretty darn good lately.
As a FA wire pick up by most in this thread, how can you not love the situation? I would argue that he produces against these so called top run defenses on the upcoming schedule. Has confidence of coaches (doesn't fumble) and is the goal line guy. This guy could very well be the cog to your championship run.
As a FA wire pick up by most in this thread, how can you not love the situation? I would argue that he produces against these so called top run defenses on the upcoming schedule. Has confidence of coaches (doesn't fumble) and is the goal line guy. This guy could very well be the cog to your championship run.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I'm sold on the kid...ton of attempts gaining positive yardage (not ripping off 15 yards then tackled behind the line for an 8 yard loss, for example), lead back getting touches and an offense that has looked pretty darn good lately.
As a FA wire pick up by most in this thread, how can you not love the situation? I would argue that he produces against these so called top run defenses on the upcoming schedule. Has confidence of coaches (doesn't fumble) and is the goal line guy. This guy could very well be the cog to your championship run.
GB was #6 versus the run, gave up less than 4.0 yards per carry and like 91 yards per game. Fat Rob filleted them
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georg013
Footballguy
Post of the night! Funny thing is, this game doesn't count "if you take out his 66 yard run and three touchdowns". But if he performs average, it is a true representation of him. LMAO. People are going to spin this however it suits their narrative. Glad to have him on my roster and I don't give a damn what the armchair GMs have to say. The kid can ball!
heckmanm
Footballguy
In case anyone cares, I was able to move a 2017 rookie pick from ~18 to ~10 for him.I have him on a rebuilding contract-league team. Just dangled him to 3 teams who are weak-ish at RB and still in the playoff hunt.
Our trade deadline is Wednesday night
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Funny how quickly people forget that. As soon as an average RB runs all over them they become known as a terrible run defense like they knew it all along.
Boone22
Footballguy
I just move him last night, straight up for Moncrief in a 12 team ppr dynasty league.
I commented during the game that Cousins is incredibly accurate except when he throws to Kelley. Both throws were not good.
I think McCloughan has stated publicly that he likes rbs with low mileage in college.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
...for ex-Moncrief owner.
Sorry, unless you're dynasty...Fat Rob is the best best to take you to the finals his year.
even in...not unless. multiple typos in a 21 word comment. I've got to be better than that.
jurrassic
Footballguy
He worries me a little this week. Hoping for 60 and a td. The game flow for this game doesn't really lay out that well for Kelley. Dallas controls TOP and Washington run defense is pretty bad. I could see the Redskins come out passing a ton both for the matchups and catch-up mode possibilities. That said, Washington has a good offense and Kelley has a good a shot as anyone to get a td.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Carries and yardage likely to be way down but opportunties for a goal-line plunge should be there as Cousins moves the ball. I'd project between 40-60 plus a couple of shots at a td. If he doesn't cross the stripe, it's likely to be a pretty miserable fantasy day for him.
In my PPR keeper league I packaged Fat Rob with Michael Thomas + 5th rounder for Lesean McCoy and Larry Fitzgerald which I was happy about.
In my non-PPR I have Robby or Lamar Miller at RB2, who I actually thing are very similar in projections for the rest of the year.
Choo Choo!
In my non-PPR I have Robby or Lamar Miller at RB2, who I actually thing are very similar in projections for the rest of the year.
Choo Choo!
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
All due respect, but no one forgot anything - Green Bay was riddled with injuries and lost 2 starting LB in that game. So whatever GB was ranked against the run previously seems irrelevant since the players that earned that ranking weren't on the field.
Cowboys run D on the other hand was healthy and Fat Rob laid an egg. I faced him this week and was delighted by his 5.6 points in .5 PPR format. My prediction of his lower # of carries was pretty accurate as it turns out.
What's funny is the 8 pages of love the dude gets after going ham against a tissue paper defense but the literally none pages of commentary or criticism over how badly he struggled on Thanksgiving with 14 carries for 37 yards, playing from behind. Seems those who stated that he was totally game script dependant deserve a cap tip.
Tough to trust Kelley in the fantasy playoffs and/or in tough matchups.
But y'all will ride or die with him I guess. He may have just lost his chance at a 2017 starting gig though. Good luck.
