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Snowmageddon 2022 (4 Viewers)

So, moving on. Thursday night/Friday morning clipper coming through. Then the SB storm. Looks like a midsize storm at this point.

 
So, moving on. Thursday night/Friday morning clipper coming through. Then the SB storm. Looks like a midsize storm at this point.
is SB storm another nor'easter?
I wouldn't rule it out completely, but as of now, it does not appear that way. It looks like a mid size storm. A little bigger than a clipper, but not quite a monster. Still a lot of time, and after the mess with the models yesterday, I'm a little gun shy as to which model I want to put most of my faith in.

 
So, moving on. Thursday night/Friday morning clipper coming through. Then the SB storm. Looks like a midsize storm at this point.
Heard the SB storm was going to track west of DC, so that we would get a mix. Praying for two in a row to slide a bit east!!!
Canadian model looks south, towards you, but temperatures are going to be close to 32 degrees for a lot of people. This could be a half snow, half rain maker.

 
I find it so funny that people think the NWS is a big conspiracy to boost TV ratings and gain political clout. :lol:

:tinfoilhat:
I was referring to the reporters and news stations building drama. I've known people who work at some of the major networks where I live. The highest ratings are during bad weather. Believe it if you want to.
 
I find it so funny that people think the NWS is a big conspiracy to boost TV ratings and gain political clout. :lol:

:tinfoilhat:
I was referring to the reporters and news stations building drama. I've known people who work at some of the major networks where I live. The highest ratings are during bad weather. Believe it if you want to.
I wasn't singling you out. Go back and read everyone here, or any other comments from a news story about the blizzard, and you'll see people saying that the whole reason the NWS had those numbers so high is because they were either trying to get higher ratings, or because they work hand in hand with elected officials who benefit from shutting down the cities monetarily.

 
That's BS.

There was no mention that this was a tough call or there could be a 75% reduction in the forecasted amounts.

The talking heads used terms like "historic," "snow-bomb" and "life-threatening" for NYC proper.
It was on pace to be historic. It did bomb out, just ask the people in New England. And it is life threatening. The track just shifted west. This is something we see a lot with storms like this. Same thing with hurricanes.
That's why I specified NYC proper. The guys in Boston are getting hammered and maybe didn't get enough attention because all eyes were on NYC.

The storm wasn't on pace to be historic, there was a chance for it to be historic. The chances for it to be a 6" event were never given.
The storm was on pace to be historic. Again, up until almost 3 AM there was still a solid chance that NYC would get hammered. I'm sorry you don't understand that.
You're not going to convince them of anything other than "they were wrong and won't admit it!"
"My deepest apologies to many key decision makers and so many members of the general public," said Gary Szatkowski, meteorologist-in-charge at the National Weather Service in Mount Holly, according to an NJ.com report. "You made a lot of tough decisions expecting us to get it right, and we didn't. Once again, I'm sorry."
 
Seacoast NH

Over 2 feet here, and it's still blowing/snowing. Thankfully we haven't lost power, and the snow isn't the heavy/wet variety.

ETA-Daughters school cancelled tomorrow.

 
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Was a pretty productive day working at home though. Conference calls without looking into the mugs of my colleagues, writing and emails without a billion interruptions. A couple Cappuccino's and a comfy recliner, a little entertainment from the kitties and lunch made by the wifey.

Without the hype I'm at the office dealing with all the bs, fires and ugly ### mugs (well, except for the new Desk Manager at the hotel, easy 8 and that's without trying. You'd think she's from Cranston, RI for gods sake).

 
Euro ensembles are colder than the operational run for SB storm. Looks like it could turn coastal, but may have issues with dry slots. Teehee. Dry slots. Your mom is a dry slot.

 
I find it so funny that people think the NWS is a big conspiracy to boost TV ratings and gain political clout. :lol:

:tinfoilhat:
I was referring to the reporters and news stations building drama. I've known people who work at some of the major networks where I live. The highest ratings are during bad weather. Believe it if you want to.
I wasn't singling you out. Go back and read everyone here, or any other comments from a news story about the blizzard, and you'll see people saying that the whole reason the NWS had those numbers so high is because they were either trying to get higher ratings, or because they work hand in hand with elected officials who benefit from shutting down the cities monetarily.
I didn't think you were.
 
I find it so funny that people think the NWS is a big conspiracy to boost TV ratings and gain political clout. :lol:

:tinfoilhat:
I was referring to the reporters and news stations building drama. I've known people who work at some of the major networks where I live. The highest ratings are during bad weather. Believe it if you want to.
I wasn't singling you out. Go back and read everyone here, or any other comments from a news story about the blizzard, and you'll see people saying that the whole reason the NWS had those numbers so high is because they were either trying to get higher ratings, or because they work hand in hand with elected officials who benefit from shutting down the cities monetarily.
I didn't think you were.
OK. Than I'm not sure I understand your post. :confused:

 
When your expecting over a foot and you end up with less than 6 inches, I can see where you would be disappointed.
There are two parts to this. When they say up to 36" and you get 6 that is ridiculous. When they see that the path has shifted and refuse to update their forecasts for no apparent reason, then they deserve to be mocked. By all means predict towards the dire side so people take you seriously, but as it gets closer to the storm and you have updated info, you need to revise predictions.
Not only that but nearly the entire city was shut down even though there was very little snow at the time. Most businesses were basically forced to close several hours early even though there was no need.

 
When your expecting over a foot and you end up with less than 6 inches, I can see where you would be disappointed.
There are two parts to this. When they say up to 36" and you get 6 that is ridiculous. When they see that the path has shifted and refuse to update their forecasts for no apparent reason, then they deserve to be mocked. By all means predict towards the dire side so people take you seriously, but as it gets closer to the storm and you have updated info, you need to revise predictions.
Not only that but nearly the entire city was shut down even though there was very little snow at the time. Most businesses were basically forced to close several hours early even though there was no need.
Of course, when you consider how many workers in Manhattan had to commute home to places that DID get 15, 20, 28 inches of snow, I'd say that was not such a bad call after all.

The unique geography here has people being kinda myopic about the forecasts.

1. This is the ONLY coastal region in the nation with the specific weather associated with being a coast that takes a hard right turn AT our location. Because of that, and the temp. nuetralizing effect of the water, usually that means a matter of miles West / Inland is the difference between rain/snow and huge totals. In addition, the tip of Long Island is not only a coast to the south, but somewhat sticking out into the Atlantic to be an ecosystem all it's own sometimes.

Finally, you have NYC at the armpit of the curve, in the bullseye between being to far east or two far west depending on the storm - or right in the bullseye when precip and temp work together.

2. NYC itself is MILLIONS of people - and most of them are concentrated in Manhattan during the daytime. Those people who get 12 more inches of snow to the west and the people that this time got 20+ more inches to the east.

Where else in the nation are that many more millions of people in one area a few miles wide in a region that spans legit 50 miles each way in terms of commuting? Weather systems here are very unpredictable because of the water and East and then South facing shores, and the spot that is RIGHT in the middle of the water vs. land, hot vs. cold, will the ocean fuel a storm or pull it out to see - well that spot's freakin' manhattan.

In Denver or KC or, Chicago even, you generally have a far better idea of whats happening without either variables to the drastic change over the course of 20 miles east or west (Chi has the lack effect, but nothing like these variations as I understand, and far more predictable)

 
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When your expecting over a foot and you end up with less than 6 inches, I can see where you would be disappointed.
There are two parts to this. When they say up to 36" and you get 6 that is ridiculous. When they see that the path has shifted and refuse to update their forecasts for no apparent reason, then they deserve to be mocked. By all means predict towards the dire side so people take you seriously, but as it gets closer to the storm and you have updated info, you need to revise predictions.
Not only that but nearly the entire city was shut down even though there was very little snow at the time. Most businesses were basically forced to close several hours early even though there was no need.
Of course, when you consider how many workers in Manhattan had to commute home to places that DID get 15, 20, 28 inches of snow, I'd say that was not such a bad call after all.

The unique geography here has people being kinda myopic about the forecasts.

1. This is the ONLY coastal region in the nation with the specific weather associated with being a coast that takes a hard right turn AT our location. Because of that, and the temp. nuetralizing effect of the water, usually that means a matter of miles West / Inland is the difference between rain/snow and huge totals. In addition, the tip of Long Island is not only a coast to the south, but somewhat sticking out into the Atlantic to be an ecosystem all it's own sometimes.

Finally, you have NYC at the armpit of the curve, in the bullseye between being to far east or two far west depending on the storm - or right in the bullseye when precip and temp work together.

2. NYC itself is MILLIONS of people - and most of them are concentrated in Manhattan during the daytime. Those people who get 12 more inches of snow to the west and the people that this time got 20+ more inches to the east.

Where else in the nation are that many more millions of people in one area a few miles wide in a region that spans legit 50 miles each way in terms of commuting? Weather systems here are very unpredictable because of the water and East and then South facing shores, and the spot that is RIGHT in the middle of the water vs. land, hot vs. cold, will the ocean fuel a storm or pull it out to see - well that spot's freakin' manhattan.

In Denver or KC or, Chicago even, you generally have a far better idea of whats happening without either variables to the drastic change over the course of 20 miles east or west (Chi has the lack effect, but nothing like these variations as I understand, and far more predictable)
You were all around the right answer there. :lol:

 
When your expecting over a foot and you end up with less than 6 inches, I can see where you would be disappointed.
There are two parts to this. When they say up to 36" and you get 6 that is ridiculous. When they see that the path has shifted and refuse to update their forecasts for no apparent reason, then they deserve to be mocked. By all means predict towards the dire side so people take you seriously, but as it gets closer to the storm and you have updated info, you need to revise predictions.
Not only that but nearly the entire city was shut down even though there was very little snow at the time. Most businesses were basically forced to close several hours early even though there was no need.
Of course, when you consider how many workers in Manhattan had to commute home to places that DID get 15, 20, 28 inches of snow, I'd say that was not such a bad call after all.

The unique geography here has people being kinda myopic about the forecasts.

1. This is the ONLY coastal region in the nation with the specific weather associated with being a coast that takes a hard right turn AT our location. Because of that, and the temp. nuetralizing effect of the water, usually that means a matter of miles West / Inland is the difference between rain/snow and huge totals. In addition, the tip of Long Island is not only a coast to the south, but somewhat sticking out into the Atlantic to be an ecosystem all it's own sometimes.

Finally, you have NYC at the armpit of the curve, in the bullseye between being to far east or two far west depending on the storm - or right in the bullseye when precip and temp work together.

2. NYC itself is MILLIONS of people - and most of them are concentrated in Manhattan during the daytime. Those people who get 12 more inches of snow to the west and the people that this time got 20+ more inches to the east.

Where else in the nation are that many more millions of people in one area a few miles wide in a region that spans legit 50 miles each way in terms of commuting? Weather systems here are very unpredictable because of the water and East and then South facing shores, and the spot that is RIGHT in the middle of the water vs. land, hot vs. cold, will the ocean fuel a storm or pull it out to see - well that spot's freakin' manhattan.

In Denver or KC or, Chicago even, you generally have a far better idea of whats happening without either variables to the drastic change over the course of 20 miles east or west (Chi has the lack effect, but nothing like these variations as I understand, and far more predictable)
And rarely does the lake effect hit either the city or commuting suburbs. It hits northwest Indiana (still part of 'Chicagoland' but more spread out and quite frankly not very affluent and not nearly as many commuters) and western Michigan. Occasionally the storm wraps around over the lake and comes back toward Chicago but very rarely. When we got that 20"+ storm it did. But we don't get the rotating winds in storms herein the Midwest. They almost always come straight from the west or northwest or southwest.

 
When your expecting over a foot and you end up with less than 6 inches, I can see where you would be disappointed.
There are two parts to this. When they say up to 36" and you get 6 that is ridiculous. When they see that the path has shifted and refuse to update their forecasts for no apparent reason, then they deserve to be mocked. By all means predict towards the dire side so people take you seriously, but as it gets closer to the storm and you have updated info, you need to revise predictions.
Not only that but nearly the entire city was shut down even though there was very little snow at the time. Most businesses were basically forced to close several hours early even though there was no need.
Of course, when you consider how many workers in Manhattan had to commute home to places that DID get 15, 20, 28 inches of snow, I'd say that was not such a bad call after all.

The unique geography here has people being kinda myopic about the forecasts.

1. This is the ONLY coastal region in the nation with the specific weather associated with being a coast that takes a hard right turn AT our location. Because of that, and the temp. nuetralizing effect of the water, usually that means a matter of miles West / Inland is the difference between rain/snow and huge totals. In addition, the tip of Long Island is not only a coast to the south, but somewhat sticking out into the Atlantic to be an ecosystem all it's own sometimes.

Finally, you have NYC at the armpit of the curve, in the bullseye between being to far east or two far west depending on the storm - or right in the bullseye when precip and temp work together.

2. NYC itself is MILLIONS of people - and most of them are concentrated in Manhattan during the daytime. Those people who get 12 more inches of snow to the west and the people that this time got 20+ more inches to the east.

Where else in the nation are that many more millions of people in one area a few miles wide in a region that spans legit 50 miles each way in terms of commuting? Weather systems here are very unpredictable because of the water and East and then South facing shores, and the spot that is RIGHT in the middle of the water vs. land, hot vs. cold, will the ocean fuel a storm or pull it out to see - well that spot's freakin' manhattan.

In Denver or KC or, Chicago even, you generally have a far better idea of whats happening without either variables to the drastic change over the course of 20 miles east or west (Chi has the lack effect, but nothing like these variations as I understand, and far more predictable)
You were all around the right answer there. :lol:
... Like the weatherman?

 
When your expecting over a foot and you end up with less than 6 inches, I can see where you would be disappointed.
There are two parts to this. When they say up to 36" and you get 6 that is ridiculous. When they see that the path has shifted and refuse to update their forecasts for no apparent reason, then they deserve to be mocked. By all means predict towards the dire side so people take you seriously, but as it gets closer to the storm and you have updated info, you need to revise predictions.
Not only that but nearly the entire city was shut down even though there was very little snow at the time. Most businesses were basically forced to close several hours early even though there was no need.
Of course, when you consider how many workers in Manhattan had to commute home to places that DID get 15, 20, 28 inches of snow, I'd say that was not such a bad call after all.

The unique geography here has people being kinda myopic about the forecasts.

1. This is the ONLY coastal region in the nation with the specific weather associated with being a coast that takes a hard right turn AT our location. Because of that, and the temp. nuetralizing effect of the water, usually that means a matter of miles West / Inland is the difference between rain/snow and huge totals. In addition, the tip of Long Island is not only a coast to the south, but somewhat sticking out into the Atlantic to be an ecosystem all it's own sometimes.

Finally, you have NYC at the armpit of the curve, in the bullseye between being to far east or two far west depending on the storm - or right in the bullseye when precip and temp work together.

2. NYC itself is MILLIONS of people - and most of them are concentrated in Manhattan during the daytime. Those people who get 12 more inches of snow to the west and the people that this time got 20+ more inches to the east.

Where else in the nation are that many more millions of people in one area a few miles wide in a region that spans legit 50 miles each way in terms of commuting? Weather systems here are very unpredictable because of the water and East and then South facing shores, and the spot that is RIGHT in the middle of the water vs. land, hot vs. cold, will the ocean fuel a storm or pull it out to see - well that spot's freakin' manhattan.

In Denver or KC or, Chicago even, you generally have a far better idea of whats happening without either variables to the drastic change over the course of 20 miles east or west (Chi has the lack effect, but nothing like these variations as I understand, and far more predictable)
NYC was not the only city shut down. New Jersey also did the same thing and I am sure that the folks in Westfield loved being shut down like that and all drivers being ordered off the road for their 2 inches of snow.

Again, I am not killing the politicians for their decisions nor the weather forecasters for their predictions. New England has shown that they were right and it was a big snow dumping storm. But as FC was saying all during the supposed start of the storm, the newscasters were not changing their rhetoric at all and continued to use their great ratings grabbing homemade words like snowmaggedon and get their blizzardmobiles out there to observe that nothing was happening, or they could have told us that the storm hung a turn and while Long Island was still screwed the rest of us are fine.

 
When your expecting over a foot and you end up with less than 6 inches, I can see where you would be disappointed.
There are two parts to this. When they say up to 36" and you get 6 that is ridiculous. When they see that the path has shifted and refuse to update their forecasts for no apparent reason, then they deserve to be mocked. By all means predict towards the dire side so people take you seriously, but as it gets closer to the storm and you have updated info, you need to revise predictions.
Not only that but nearly the entire city was shut down even though there was very little snow at the time. Most businesses were basically forced to close several hours early even though there was no need.
Of course, when you consider how many workers in Manhattan had to commute home to places that DID get 15, 20, 28 inches of snow, I'd say that was not such a bad call after all.

The unique geography here has people being kinda myopic about the forecasts.

1. This is the ONLY coastal region in the nation with the specific weather associated with being a coast that takes a hard right turn AT our location. Because of that, and the temp. nuetralizing effect of the water, usually that means a matter of miles West / Inland is the difference between rain/snow and huge totals. In addition, the tip of Long Island is not only a coast to the south, but somewhat sticking out into the Atlantic to be an ecosystem all it's own sometimes.

Finally, you have NYC at the armpit of the curve, in the bullseye between being to far east or two far west depending on the storm - or right in the bullseye when precip and temp work together.

2. NYC itself is MILLIONS of people - and most of them are concentrated in Manhattan during the daytime. Those people who get 12 more inches of snow to the west and the people that this time got 20+ more inches to the east.

Where else in the nation are that many more millions of people in one area a few miles wide in a region that spans legit 50 miles each way in terms of commuting? Weather systems here are very unpredictable because of the water and East and then South facing shores, and the spot that is RIGHT in the middle of the water vs. land, hot vs. cold, will the ocean fuel a storm or pull it out to see - well that spot's freakin' manhattan.

In Denver or KC or, Chicago even, you generally have a far better idea of whats happening without either variables to the drastic change over the course of 20 miles east or west (Chi has the lack effect, but nothing like these variations as I understand, and far more predictable)
NYC was not the only city shut down. New Jersey also did the same thing and I am sure that the folks in Westfield loved being shut down like that and all drivers being ordered off the road for their 2 inches of snow.

Again, I am not killing the politicians for their decisions nor the weather forecasters for their predictions. New England has shown that they were right and it was a big snow dumping storm. But as FC was saying all during the supposed start of the storm, the newscasters were not changing their rhetoric at all and continued to use their great ratings grabbing homemade words like snowmaggedon and get their blizzardmobiles out there to observe that nothing was happening, or they could have told us that the storm hung a turn and while Long Island was still screwed the rest of us are fine.
it sounds like that turn happened over night though... but I hear what you (and FC) are saying.

I would have preferred them saying laying out the facts that 12-18" were dependent on "these" factors and if they didn't happen, we'd be looking at 2-6" instead. instead, as you guys say, it was just "OMG" it's going to be measured in FEET without any mention of maybe it will just be a few inches.

 
When your expecting over a foot and you end up with less than 6 inches, I can see where you would be disappointed.
There are two parts to this. When they say up to 36" and you get 6 that is ridiculous. When they see that the path has shifted and refuse to update their forecasts for no apparent reason, then they deserve to be mocked. By all means predict towards the dire side so people take you seriously, but as it gets closer to the storm and you have updated info, you need to revise predictions.
Not only that but nearly the entire city was shut down even though there was very little snow at the time. Most businesses were basically forced to close several hours early even though there was no need.
Of course, when you consider how many workers in Manhattan had to commute home to places that DID get 15, 20, 28 inches of snow, I'd say that was not such a bad call after all.

The unique geography here has people being kinda myopic about the forecasts.

1. This is the ONLY coastal region in the nation with the specific weather associated with being a coast that takes a hard right turn AT our location. Because of that, and the temp. nuetralizing effect of the water, usually that means a matter of miles West / Inland is the difference between rain/snow and huge totals. In addition, the tip of Long Island is not only a coast to the south, but somewhat sticking out into the Atlantic to be an ecosystem all it's own sometimes.

Finally, you have NYC at the armpit of the curve, in the bullseye between being to far east or two far west depending on the storm - or right in the bullseye when precip and temp work together.

2. NYC itself is MILLIONS of people - and most of them are concentrated in Manhattan during the daytime. Those people who get 12 more inches of snow to the west and the people that this time got 20+ more inches to the east.

Where else in the nation are that many more millions of people in one area a few miles wide in a region that spans legit 50 miles each way in terms of commuting? Weather systems here are very unpredictable because of the water and East and then South facing shores, and the spot that is RIGHT in the middle of the water vs. land, hot vs. cold, will the ocean fuel a storm or pull it out to see - well that spot's freakin' manhattan.

In Denver or KC or, Chicago even, you generally have a far better idea of whats happening without either variables to the drastic change over the course of 20 miles east or west (Chi has the lack effect, but nothing like these variations as I understand, and far more predictable)
NYC was not the only city shut down. New Jersey also did the same thing and I am sure that the folks in Westfield loved being shut down like that and all drivers being ordered off the road for their 2 inches of snow.

Again, I am not killing the politicians for their decisions nor the weather forecasters for their predictions. New England has shown that they were right and it was a big snow dumping storm. But as FC was saying all during the supposed start of the storm, the newscasters were not changing their rhetoric at all and continued to use their great ratings grabbing homemade words like snowmaggedon and get their blizzardmobiles out there to observe that nothing was happening, or they could have told us that the storm hung a turn and while Long Island was still screwed the rest of us are fine.
it sounds like that turn happened over night though... but I hear what you (and FC) are saying.

I would have preferred them saying laying out the facts that 12-18" were dependent on "these" factors and if they didn't happen, we'd be looking at 2-6" instead. instead, as you guys say, it was just "OMG" it's going to be measured in FEET without any mention of maybe it will just be a few inches.
It was just massive hysteria from the start...

All I heard from every single outlet was:

"historic blizzard"

"Never seen anything like this before"

"Life threatening conditions"

"2-3 feet are almost guaranteed"

Etc. etc. etc.

If that wasn't enough, they refused to revise the forecasts and stuck with it throughout the night.

 
Personally I think it would've been respectable for anyone (even just one station) to say:

"It is becoming very possible that NYC will not see the full brunt of this storm."

I didn't hear that one time or anything close to that all day/night and I either watched the news or followed the forecast nonstop on my phone (exactly as they wanted :kicksrock: ).

 
I reported 26" on the back deck at high noon and it's still snowing. I stopped measuring but we must have received another 6-8" since. Reports from neighboring towns are as high as 35". Most snow I have ever witnessed in such a short amount of time. Another 1-3" possible tonight.

 
I reported 26" on the back deck at high noon and it's still snowing. I stopped measuring but we must have received another 6-8" since. Reports from neighboring towns are as high as 35". Most snow I have ever witnessed in such a short amount of time. Another 1-3" possible tonight.
Where u at?
 
We have about 30-36 inches. Shoveled it all by hand, what a pain in the ###. Just went out and a bunch has drifted back onto the driveway, something to worry about tomorrow

 
Wow, I had no idea there you could be fined for shoveling snow from your property onto the street in MA for the city to take care of. So where do you shovel it then, in your neighbor's yard? :excited:

 
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