So Cal Fires (1 Viewer)

[Harry Frogfish]

No rain in forecast for remainder of 10 days and seemingly thru Jan. Red flag winds next week again. Will get worse before it gets better

Maybe. This was an anomaly. Been here for 50+ years. I’ve never seen this before. the 93 Laguna beach fire whipped through a neighborhood like these fires.. There was a small one a couple years ago across the canyon from me. 10-20 huge homes burned. The insane winds and super dry landscape just created the perfect conditions. Unreal.

This is an anomaly??? You lived in Cali 50 years, you should know better.

100+ mph winds in LA are an anomaly. I do know better.

Of course, depending on semantics I guess. But long-time Cali residents will say the weather has changed over time, no question. I think it's silly to dispute as much or paint this is a one-time event. This particular situation sticks out, sure, but attempting to pin this as some sort of one-time occurrence or freak event is short-sighted. In this ONE area, um, okay. But the ongoing fire issues in Cali are far from some anomaly.

There's a reason insurance companies want no part of Cali, many having pulled the plug.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

People trying to score misguided political points while the fires are still burning can all go jump right into the flames.

This. Right here.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

No rain in forecast for remainder of 10 days and seemingly thru Jan. Red flag winds next week again. Will get worse before it gets better

Maybe. This was an anomaly. Been here for 50+ years. I’ve never seen this before. the 93 Laguna beach fire whipped through a neighborhood like these fires.. There was a small one a couple years ago across the canyon from me. 10-20 huge homes burned. The insane winds and super dry landscape just created the perfect conditions. Unreal.

This is an anomaly??? You lived in Cali 50 years, you should know better.

100+ mph winds in LA are an anomaly. I do know better.

Of course, depending on semantics I guess. But long-time Cali residents will say the weather has changed over time, no question. I think it's silly to dispute as much or paint this is a one-time event. This particular situation sticks out, sure, but attempting to pin this as some sort of one-time occurrence or freak event is short-sighted. In this ONE area, um, okay. But the ongoing fire issues in Cali are far from some anomaly.

There's a reason insurance companies want no part of Cali, many having pulled the plug.

Yes, exactly. Insurance companies saw this coming with clear-eyed clarity. And they were right.

I mentioned this upthread, but I want to reiterate it. When major insurance companies tell you that they will not insure homes in a particular area, that should be a flashing red light that gets everyone's attention. I understand that the situation in CA is a little more complicated than the situation in FL, because there's a regulatory layer in CA that might be creating this problem out of thin air for all I know, but that doesn't matter. At the end of the day, the situation is the same. People with financial skin in the game and very good analytics have determined that homeowner's insurance is -EV in these markets. I'm not sure I can even come up with an example of something that I would consider a stronger, more reliable signal about future risk than insurers pulling out.

That's not political. The insurance companies don't care that CA is a blue state and they don't care that FL is a red state. They're not following any preordained "narrative" about climate change. They care about risk, and these places are too risky for them.

If it's too risky for State Farm, it's too risky for the Karamazov household.

Edit: I have a huge amount of sympathy for people who lost their insurance this spring (or whenever) and lost everything this week. It's easy for me to say that I wouldn't pick up and move to LA, but it's got to be really tough to call LA your home and react to this sort of stuff, given the ordinary human emotions involved. I do get it.

 

[dickey moe]

No rain in forecast for remainder of 10 days and seemingly thru Jan. Red flag winds next week again. Will get worse before it gets better

Maybe. This was an anomaly. Been here for 50+ years. I’ve never seen this before. the 93 Laguna beach fire whipped through a neighborhood like these fires.. There was a small one a couple years ago across the canyon from me. 10-20 huge homes burned. The insane winds and super dry landscape just created the perfect conditions. Unreal.

This is an anomaly??? You lived in Cali 50 years, you should know better.

100+ mph winds in LA are an anomaly. I do know better.

Of course, depending on semantics I guess. But long-time Cali residents will say the weather has changed over time, no question. I think it's silly to dispute as much or paint this is a one-time event. This particular situation sticks out, sure, but attempting to pin this as some sort of one-time occurrence or freak event is short-sighted. In this ONE area, um, okay. But the ongoing fire issues in Cali are far from some anomaly.

There's a reason insurance companies want no part of Cali, many having pulled the plug.

Yes, exactly. Insurance companies saw this coming with clear-eyed clarity. And they were right.

I mentioned this upthread, but I want to reiterate it. When major insurance companies tell you that they will not insure homes in a particular area, that should be a flashing red light that gets everyone's attention. I understand that the situation in CA is a little more complicated than the situation in FL, because there's a regulatory layer in CA that might be creating this problem out of thin air for all I know, but that doesn't matter. At the end of the day, the situation is the same. People with financial skin in the game and very good analytics have determined that homeowner's insurance is -EV in these markets. I'm not sure I can even come up with an example of something that I would consider a stronger, more reliable signal about future risk than insurers pulling out.

That's not political. The insurance companies don't care that CA is a blue state and they don't care that FL is a red state. They're not following any preordained "narrative" about climate change. They care about risk, and these places are too risky for them.

If it's too risky for State Farm, it's too risky for the Karamazov household.

It's true that there is a certain degree of risk living in fire-prone areas in/near steep topography, canyons, wind-tunnels, etc. It's also true that there are reasonable steps that could be taken to significantly mitigate these risks, and they are not being utilized.

 

[Drunken knight]

But that areas is just destroyed, like a bomb went off.

The after pictures look like Dresden in WWII. Ugh.

In 2017 I was one of the first people allowed to drive up to the top of Fountain Grove in Santa Rosa and turned 360 and saw devastation everywhere I looked and thought the exact same thing then. I have worked every major disaster since Andrew and that was the worst thing I’ve ever seen. I have been sent home from Hurricane Helene to prepare to go to the LA area where I fear the next worst thing I have ever seen is next. I am sick thinking about it.

Awful.

 

[Gr00vus]

Now there's a Kenneth fire in west hills. A bit north of Palisades. Close to some neighborhoods there right now.

 

[Nipsey]

I just got an evacuation warning on my phone. Has to be a mistake. Did everybody in LA get this?

Looks like it was sent in error to the entire county.

 

[Gr00vus]

I just got an evacuation warning on my phone. Has to be a mistake. Did everybody in LA get this?

Looks like it was sent in error to the entire county.

I got it too. So did my parents and they're not near an active zone. Pretty sure its an error.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

I just got an evacuation warning on my phone. Has to be a mistake. Did everybody in LA get this?

Looks like it was sent in error to the entire county.

I got it too. So did my parents and they're not near an active zone. Pretty sure its an error.

Same. My neighbors are outside talking about it. Agree with you guys, it has to be an error.

 

[Yo Mama]

I just got an evacuation warning on my phone. Has to be a mistake. Did everybody in LA get this?

Looks like it was sent in error to the entire county.

I got it too. So did my parents and they're not near an active zone. Pretty sure its an error.

Same. My neighbors are outside talking about it. Agree with you guys, it has to be an error.

Yeah it was accidentally set to EVERYONE in LA county.

 

[SFBayDuck]

I just got an evacuation warning on my phone. Has to be a mistake. Did everybody in LA get this?

Looks like it was sent in error to the entire county.

I got it too. So did my parents and they're not near an active zone. Pretty sure its an error.

Same. My neighbors are outside talking about it. Agree with you guys, it has to be an error.

Oooof, like everybody isn't already on edge.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

I just got an evacuation warning on my phone. Has to be a mistake. Did everybody in LA get this?

Looks like it was sent in error to the entire county.

my family got it in seal beach, was an error for them

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

update just now, it was for the Kenneth fire that gr00vus mentioned above. it's directly north of the Palisades fire on the map, north of the 101.

 

[Nipsey]

Just got another alert on the phone saying the last alert was sent by mistake. Who's running this thing?

 

[El Floppo]

No rain in forecast for remainder of 10 days and seemingly thru Jan. Red flag winds next week again. Will get worse before it gets better

Maybe. This was an anomaly. Been here for 50+ years. I’ve never seen this before. the 93 Laguna beach fire whipped through a neighborhood like these fires.. There was a small one a couple years ago across the canyon from me. 10-20 huge homes burned. The insane winds and super dry landscape just created the perfect conditions. Unreal.

This is an anomaly??? You lived in Cali 50 years, you should know better.

100+ mph winds in LA are an anomaly. I do know better.

Of course, depending on semantics I guess. But long-time Cali residents will say the weather has changed over time, no question. I think it's silly to dispute as much or paint this is a one-time event. This particular situation sticks out, sure, but attempting to pin this as some sort of one-time occurrence or freak event is short-sighted. In this ONE area, um, okay. But the ongoing fire issues in Cali are far from some anomaly.

There's a reason insurance companies want no part of Cali, many having pulled the plug.

He's silly for saying the truth, but not saying anything about the point you're trying to make and then calling him silly about it. Cool. Seems like the right place and time to win that argument against yourself.

 

[squistion]

Just got another alert on the phone saying the last alert was sent by mistake. Who's running this thing?

I got that too..."Evacuation Notice!!!" Then followed by a "Our bad, that was meant for West Hills, not you"

 

[Chris B.]

They are doubt going to have to figure out cutting brush, killing fire lines, etc. also forcing some insurers to stay in the state

Allow insurers to price fire insurance properly?

Property insurance carriers were just recovering from the NorCal wild fires after several years of raising rates for everyone else. This week's losses will put them 3 steps back.

 

[Nipsey]

Vikings-Rams moving to Arizona.

 

[Gawain]

Terrible scenes. I hope all FBG and their people are safe.

I feel guilty asking this, but not sure what I should do. Have a family trip to SoCal (from NY) planned Jan 14-22. Was going to be three days at Disney (15-17), two visiting a friend of my wife who just had a kid and two days at Universal (20-21). Do I pull the plug? What would we be flying into? Kids are 8/7/5.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

Terrible scenes. I hope all FBG and their people are safe.

I feel guilty asking this, but not sure what I should do. Have a family trip to SoCal (from NY) planned Jan 14-22. Was going to be three days at Disney (15-17), two visiting a friend of my wife who just had a kid and two days at Universal (20-21). Do I pull the plug? What would we be flying into? Kids are 8/7/5.

Disneyland is in Orange County so nowhere near these fires, Universal Studios is right next to the Sunset fires but was not affected. Air quality at Universal is probably compromised for the next few days. LAX is also nowhere near these fires and you will get a aerial view of the Altadena area on the way in. Of course this is based on what we know now, but generally, between LAX and Disneyland are not fire areas.

 

[Runkle]

Just did a work zoom and half the people in my office were in evacuation locations. A bunch of my crew and several coworkers on my floor already lost their homes.

 

[Ilov80s]

This is really impressive

 

[CGRdrJoe]

the videos of the planes filling up with water off the coast is amazing, i’ll try and find a link for that

 

[eoMMan]

I was listening to music today and a song came on with the lyrics "I'd be safe and warm if I was in LA...". Yikes.

 

[Snotbubbles]

No rain in forecast for remainder of 10 days and seemingly thru Jan. Red flag winds next week again. Will get worse before it gets better

Maybe. This was an anomaly. Been here for 50+ years. I’ve never seen this before. the 93 Laguna beach fire whipped through a neighborhood like these fires.. There was a small one a couple years ago across the canyon from me. 10-20 huge homes burned. The insane winds and super dry landscape just created the perfect conditions. Unreal.

This is an anomaly??? You lived in Cali 50 years, you should know better.

100+ mph winds in LA are an anomaly. I do know better.

Of course, depending on semantics I guess. But long-time Cali residents will say the weather has changed over time, no question. I think it's silly to dispute as much or paint this is a one-time event. This particular situation sticks out, sure, but attempting to pin this as some sort of one-time occurrence or freak event is short-sighted. In this ONE area, um, okay. But the ongoing fire issues in Cali are far from some anomaly.

There's a reason insurance companies want no part of Cali, many having pulled the plug.

I hear the insurance companies are doing the same thing in Florida.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

I was listening to music today and a song came on with the lyrics "I'd be safe and warm if I was in LA...". Yikes.

I was headed to golf and my warm up playlist had bad religion’s Los Angeles is burning and i didn’t skip it

 

[acarey50]

Winds are picking back up here in Orange County and projected to be fairly heavy through the night. So far I've been lucky that only thing that's affected us is covers blown off the BBQ and the yard being a mess - local high school had a bunch of fences around their tennis courts and practice fields blown over.

Having lost our house once before to fire (electrical, not wild fire) and being under evacuation orders from the Canyon 2 fire 8 year ago watching the flames come down the hill towards the kids school (the same day my brother was evacuated from the Santa Rosa fires), I really empathize for the folks going through this right now.

If you are in any way capable of doing it, please do what you can to help the displaced and the first responders.

For any FBG in the area of the fires, as someone that has gone through this, please remember that stuff is replaceable, you and your family are not - do not be stubborn and refuse to leave or wait too long to do so. Take what is critically important, but remember most stuff it just that.. stuff, and it can be replaced.

 

[WDIK2]

I feel like I don't have enough emojis to give in this thread. Just devastating. Hoping that you and all your loved ones/friends/neighbors/acquaintances stay safe.

 

[Judge Smails]

Man I pray they hold that fire in Calabasas. Headed towards Thousand Oaks. Cars gassed up, important papers/pictures/technology/clothes/meds ready if we need to evacuate. Stay safe all

 

[bagger]

My folks are in Westlake. Feels far enough away but who knows. Smoke definitely visible.

 

[Brew Swillis]

I was listening to music today and a song came on with the lyrics "I'd be safe and warm if I was in LA...". Yikes.

I was headed to golf and my warm up playlist had bad religion’s Los Angeles is burning and i didn’t skip it

Bedlam is dreaming of rain....

 

[Gr00vus]

Man I pray they hold that fire in Calabasas. Headed towards Thousand Oaks. Cars gassed up, important papers/pictures/technology/clothes/meds ready if we need to evacuate. Stay safe all

Stay safe. Just saw this update on the Kenneth fire:

"Forward progression of the fire has been stopped - per Incident Command."

 

[Zow]

So what happens in these situations? Insurance covers your rebuild or offers you money to relocate?

I'm going to very interested to find out how many of these homeowners were uninsured. Insurance companies have been cancelling policies in areas of the country like this for exactly this reason.

I can attest that insurance companies are not renewing policies in many of the neighborhoods in my area in northern Arizona as well. I haven't received such notice but have friends and coworkers in a bit of a panic.

 

[Sand]

Super Scooper airplanes from Quebec picking up massive amounts of water to dump on Palisades fire.

Way cool planes.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

This is really impressive

Those guys are bad ***. Watching them and the fire retardant fixed wing up close was incredible. I have an awesome pic of my daughter the next day walking down the middle of the street. EVERYTHING is pink from the retardant. The street. The trees. The stop sign. Pretty amazing.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Winds are picking back up here in Orange County and projected to be fairly heavy through the night. So far I've been lucky that only thing that's affected us is covers blown off the BBQ and the yard being a mess - local high school had a bunch of fences around their tennis courts and practice fields blown over.

Having lost our house once before to fire (electrical, not wild fire) and being under evacuation orders from the Canyon 2 fire 8 year ago watching the flames come down the hill towards the kids school (the same day my brother was evacuated from the Santa Rosa fires), I really empathize for the folks going through this right now.

If you are in any way capable of doing it, please do what you can to help the displaced and the first responders.

For any FBG in the area of the fires, as someone that has gone through this, please remember that stuff is replaceable, you and your family are not - do not be stubborn and refuse to leave or wait too long to do so. Take what is critically important, but remember most stuff it just that.. stuff, and it can be replaced.

Where are you at?

 

[culdeus]

Palisades 6% contained now.

 

[Gr00vus]

Local LA station reporting arson is suspected for the start of the Kenneth fire.

 

[Orange&Blue]

is there a good YouTube live news stream? the one i usually use isn't working

 

[Chaos34]

is there a good YouTube live news stream? the one i usually use isn't working

- YouTube

Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

www.youtube.com

i watch this guy all the time. he takes a little getting used to but he stays on it.

 

[acarey50]

Where are you at?

I live essentially on the border of Orange and Anaheim Hills near Yorba Linda

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Where are you at?

I live essentially on the border of Orange and Anaheim Hills near Yorba Linda

I’m on the border of Laguna and aliso

 

[Harry Frogfish]

No rain in forecast for remainder of 10 days and seemingly thru Jan. Red flag winds next week again. Will get worse before it gets better

Maybe. This was an anomaly. Been here for 50+ years. I’ve never seen this before. the 93 Laguna beach fire whipped through a neighborhood like these fires.. There was a small one a couple years ago across the canyon from me. 10-20 huge homes burned. The insane winds and super dry landscape just created the perfect conditions. Unreal.

This is an anomaly??? You lived in Cali 50 years, you should know better.

100+ mph winds in LA are an anomaly. I do know better.

Of course, depending on semantics I guess. But long-time Cali residents will say the weather has changed over time, no question. I think it's silly to dispute as much or paint this is a one-time event. This particular situation sticks out, sure, but attempting to pin this as some sort of one-time occurrence or freak event is short-sighted. In this ONE area, um, okay. But the ongoing fire issues in Cali are far from some anomaly.

There's a reason insurance companies want no part of Cali, many having pulled the plug.

He's silly for saying the truth, but not saying anything about the point you're trying to make and then calling him silly about it. Cool. Seems like the right place and time to win that argument against yourself.

He's silly for saying what "truth", exactly? That this is an anomaly? First of all, do tell, what disaster isn't some form of an "anomaly", or "something that deviates from what is standard, normal, or expected."

I disagree and I simply pointed to insurance companies knowing full-well what has (and will) be going on for some time now. I've lived here longer, who cares, so save that part. You tried to get homeowners insurance here lately? You don't think that speaks volumes? You want to dispute as much, go for it. We can hang up and listen to the New Yorker tell us all about California.

There was a point in his post, to what degree can be disputed I suppose, but the part about this disaster being a sort of one-off anomaly is nothing but a convenient way to cloak an ongoing problem with a nice little blanket.

But hey, take care of your internet clique-bro, it's super important, speaking of "cool" and "right time and place". A time and place I doubt you've ever experienced.

 

[FairWarning]

is there a good YouTube live news stream? the one i usually use isn't working

LiveNow from Fox News (on a lot of smart tvs also) has been on it exclusive from Fox 11 LA.

 

[TripItUp]

As I suspected, it appears arson might be the cause of at least one of these fires.

 

[gump]

As I suspected, it appears arson might be the cause of at least one of these fires.

https://trib.al/Y5XmlXM

 

[Cowboysfan8]

As I suspected, it appears arson might be the cause of at least one of these fires.

https://trib.al/Y5XmlXM

We really banded together as a group,” Grinshpun said. “A few gentlemen surrounded him and got him on his knees. They got some zip ties, a rope and we were able to do a citizens’ arrest.”

That’s awesome!

 

[El Floppo]

No rain in forecast for remainder of 10 days and seemingly thru Jan. Red flag winds next week again. Will get worse before it gets better

Maybe. This was an anomaly. Been here for 50+ years. I’ve never seen this before. the 93 Laguna beach fire whipped through a neighborhood like these fires.. There was a small one a couple years ago across the canyon from me. 10-20 huge homes burned. The insane winds and super dry landscape just created the perfect conditions. Unreal.

This is an anomaly??? You lived in Cali 50 years, you should know better.

100+ mph winds in LA are an anomaly. I do know better.

Of course, depending on semantics I guess. But long-time Cali residents will say the weather has changed over time, no question. I think it's silly to dispute as much or paint this is a one-time event. This particular situation sticks out, sure, but attempting to pin this as some sort of one-time occurrence or freak event is short-sighted. In this ONE area, um, okay. But the ongoing fire issues in Cali are far from some anomaly.

There's a reason insurance companies want no part of Cali, many having pulled the plug.

He's silly for saying the truth, but not saying anything about the point you're trying to make and then calling him silly about it. Cool. Seems like the right place and time to win that argument against yourself.

He's silly for saying what "truth", exactly? That this is an anomaly? First of all, do tell, what disaster isn't some form of an "anomaly", or "something that deviates from what is standard, normal, or expected."

I disagree and I simply pointed to insurance companies knowing full-well what has (and will) be going on for some time now. I've lived here longer, who cares, so save that part. You tried to get homeowners insurance here lately? You don't think that speaks volumes? You want to dispute as much, go for it. We can hang up and listen to the New Yorker tell us all about California.

There was a point in his post, to what degree can be disputed I suppose, but the part about this disaster being a sort of one-off anomaly is nothing but a convenient way to cloak an ongoing problem with a nice little blanket.

But hey, take care of your internet clique-bro, it's super important, speaking of "cool" and "right time and place". A time and place I doubt you've ever experienced.

I'll start by saying your initial and subsequent posts rubbed me the wrong way- in combatively arguing the point not made about insurance and semantics of anomaly that ignored the tragic moment and events. I don't like people taking moments like these to push any agenda against people trying to discuss other lhings. Yes- absolutely time and place matters. It's disappointing to me that you or others with their own axes to grind, can't somehow see that.

I've always respected and liked you and your posts, as far as I recall. Same with the OP. I don't consider myself part of any clique here- you're all equally pretty to me. I make these posts because I see something I don't like and am responding to that, not the people involved.

Your insurance agenda is clearly and terribly valid. I'm literally having to deal with it myself right now... In California, and unsure what's going to happen. This is a discussion I'd be very interested in continuing in another time and thread. I'll defer to your residency - I only lived there 20+ years.

Your copied definition of anomaly is what this is though. Historic, by definition, is unprecedented and deviating from the norm. Growing up there, I know that fires are also the norm. Fire season gives way to wet/mudslide season. So If the heavily populated areas of SoCal keep getting caught in windswept infernos like this, I'll happily (or sadly) revisit the new norm.

 

[Chaos34]

I saw a report saying the damage in dollars is going to surpass Katrina making this THE worst disaster in American history. Financially, I don't doubt it. The loss of life is much less, so no, Katrina was worse. Still, I'll vote anomaly too.

 

[ThaPenguin]

Super Scooper airplanes from Quebec picking up massive amounts of water to dump on Palisades fire.

Way cool planes.

Any idea what beach this is? Just curious.