Personally I think Indy resigns Wayne and picks up a second tier FA RB.I don't think they have the cap money to sign James and Wayne, James has a ton of mileage and a major knee injury on his resume. I really believe an avg talented RB could prosper in that offense with Manning and co putting the fear of god in defenses.Two questionsDoes James stay and who replaces him?
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So is James gone next year? Who replaces him? (1 Viewer)
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Macdaddy_2004
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They'll franchise him again and pay him his top 5 salary for 1 year.The Colts would jump at the change to trade Edge to any of the teams picking in the top 10 this year.They'd use that pick on one of the RB's available.White, Maroney, or Williams.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Well, it's been talked to death, but I think you are wrong about plug and play at RB with Indy. Edge is a very important part of that offense, both in protection, offensive efficiency, and system knowledge. While I would hate to lose Wayne, and I think Indy will do everything in their power to keep both Edge and Wayne, I think it's Wayne that is gone if Indy has to make a choice.
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djcolts
Footballguy
No team would trade a top 10 pick for Edge - or even trade for Edge and the Colts 1st round pick (which at best would be the 28th pick in the draft) for a top 10 pick. As for what happens to Edge - GM Bill Polian keeps talking about that depending on a new collective bargaining agreement happening or not and what that would be.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
They don't need to make a choice - they just need to franchise Edge.Harrison already got his money - there should be something in the well for Wayne.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I could see Ahman Green doing similarly well as Edge in this offense for a lot less $$
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
No its not likely to happen -
I don't think it will be a big issue; I think Wayne's gone. I just think some team out there will give him a boat-load of cash up front that Indy just doesn't have. I don't know much about Wayne, he's got a pretty low profile here in Indy. I guess it's my synical nature, but I think he'll chase top dollar and be elsewhere next season.If for some reason, someone does trade for Edge I really like Ahman Green, Barlow, or if he really busts his butt in the offseason Travis Henry to the Colts.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
The main risk I see for the Colts if they let Wayne go is that they will then need to develop another WR for thier system. Harrison will be 34 next season. He is certainly the man still and Mannings favorite target. However I do think he is begining to decline somewhat and I do not think the Colts want thier offense to fall so dramaticly from not having a player like Wayne ready to take over for him.I don't see the offense as being one that is so simple that they can just plug in any Wr. Maybe they can but it took Wayne 3 years to become much of a factor in the offense. They could go back to throwing to the TEs a lot again while developing another Wr and have Dallas Clark to fill that role.Right now Reggie Wayne has more catches than Harrison does. He is a big piece of thier offense.It is easier for a team to plug a rb in than it is a Wr. The Colts have shown they are more willing to do this also by trading away Marhsall Faulk and going with the rookie Edge.Marvin Harrison himself took some time to develop and emerge in the offense.Waynes future could go either way but all things being equal I see the Colts possibly favoring Wayne to Edge if they have to choose between them.Wayne is younger than Edge as well and should be seen as a player who can contribute to thier franchise longer than Edge will which could be a factor in such a decision if they ultimatly have to choose between them.
Also (sorry to tangent the convo.), Wayne being a bit younger in football miles makes him have far greater value. Honestly I think that Wayne is perceived as a top10 WR talent by at least some GM's. Possible Colts might pull a tag-and-trade deal on Wayne? I'd bet someone would take Wayne + late 1st for a top10 1st round pick? Problem is, I don't know what they'd be trading up for? From what I've heard, there aren't any superstar level WR's in this years draft??Lots of good FA or acquirable WR's out there, or so it seems. Peyton would made decent WR's quite serviceable. Wayne is great, but they'd be OK with someone else opposite him, I think. Fletcher and Clark are developing into quite a tandem of TE's, Stokely is a great slot guy. /shrug. Who knows, I'm rambling....
Indy can turn anyone athletic receiver into Wayne. Harrison and Manning are the keys. I think they can make another running back put up Edge numbers, but not have the presence. Edge is more important and will probably be franschised, but Wayne is gone. Detroit will probably sign Wayne if recent history is an indicator.
so, so true! Nice one.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Maybe, but it's been what? 3 seasons or 4? If I was a betting man - and Vegas would take my prop bet - I'd say Wayne is sitting pretty on a mountain of cash somewhere else next season. Edge tagged or retained long-term. I love the Joe Jurevicious suggestion! LOVE IT! This guy is a character guy, big target for Manning, could run the opposite routes, and get tough yards. Harrison, Jurv, and Stokely in the slots. Nice.
Futeki
Footballguy
I am very sorry that I do not have a link, but I was reading a few weeks back that the Colts front office quietly considers Reggie Wayne to be their #1 WR. Manning, on the other hand, seems to have yet to come around to that same conclusion.
That said, I see the Colts doing what it takes to hold on to Wayne.
Edge isn't that old, but considering he just barely turned 21 in his first season, and was used heavily from the start, he has considerable miles on him. Then again, other NFL owners will also realize this.
That said, I see the Colts doing what it takes to hold on to Wayne.
Edge isn't that old, but considering he just barely turned 21 in his first season, and was used heavily from the start, he has considerable miles on him. Then again, other NFL owners will also realize this.
Rockchild
Footballguy
Edgerrin is in a similar position as Shaun Alexander. Both are free agents with not a lot of options for a big signing bonus. That is what both of them desire. There is a lot of talk that teams are crazy for not giving up a second round pick for them. If it were simply for their football talent then they would have been gone already but it is all about the salary ramifications. Unfortunately for both of them the huge($15-20 million) signing bonus is not out there. I think both end up back with their respective teams at a reasonable salary.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
As good as Peyton Manning is I don't know if anyone can just be plugged in at Wr and have the same success as Wayne does in the offense.
I think it is a semi-complicated offense with obviously a lot of audables and line adjustments.
I don't see Manning as being the same type of Qb as Brett Favre for example. Manning is very cerebral and would frustrate quickly with a new Wr who did not run thier routes precisely I think or make the wrong adjustment.
The Packers let Sterling Sharpe go in free agency when Sharpe was dominating the way Marvin Harrison did for a few years when he was Mannings only target. So why did the Colts give Marvin so much money if Manning like Favre can just get the ball to whoever?
I think Manning is a better Qb than Favre was in his prime but I also think thier styles and personalities are different. Manning is more of a schemer/manager while Favre is more of a gunslinger.
Maybe I'm wrong and the Colts can just plug and play any Wr in thier system. But it seems to me they spent 3 to 4 years searching for a complimentary Wr in thier system before Wayne developed into what he is now. During those years Manning would go to the TEs a lot more than he does now. Pollard was more thier Wr 2 than anyone else with a good number of targets going to thier 2nd TE also.
If Wayne does leave then I think Dallas Clark gets a bigger role if he has learned enough to get Mannings trust in that role. I consider that to be a more likely outcome than a new Wr aquisition being able to be an instant and similar success for them that Wayne is.
Maybe not. Maybe all of this specualtion has more to do with Mannings development over the same period of time than it does the ability of Reggie Wayne. But if that is the case then Brandon Stokeley and Troy Walters will probobly be more likely to get a huge bump than a new Wr imo.
Some people seem to think that Reggie Wayne is only an average Wr comparativly and that his success is largely the product of how good Manning is. But I'm not sure I agree with that. I think he is a wel balanced Wr a little on the slow side but with great hands and attention to detail.
He is actualy the opposite of Alvin Harper or Peerless Price who some people have been comparing him to. Those guys were one dimensional burners who had flash in the pan success from playing against single coverage.
Wayne on the other hand is more of a possesion type Wr 1st who runs good routes and can set up defenders.
At least thats the way I see it. I don't see Reggie Wayne running 70% go routes.
I think it is a semi-complicated offense with obviously a lot of audables and line adjustments.
I don't see Manning as being the same type of Qb as Brett Favre for example. Manning is very cerebral and would frustrate quickly with a new Wr who did not run thier routes precisely I think or make the wrong adjustment.
The Packers let Sterling Sharpe go in free agency when Sharpe was dominating the way Marvin Harrison did for a few years when he was Mannings only target. So why did the Colts give Marvin so much money if Manning like Favre can just get the ball to whoever?
I think Manning is a better Qb than Favre was in his prime but I also think thier styles and personalities are different. Manning is more of a schemer/manager while Favre is more of a gunslinger.
Maybe I'm wrong and the Colts can just plug and play any Wr in thier system. But it seems to me they spent 3 to 4 years searching for a complimentary Wr in thier system before Wayne developed into what he is now. During those years Manning would go to the TEs a lot more than he does now. Pollard was more thier Wr 2 than anyone else with a good number of targets going to thier 2nd TE also.
If Wayne does leave then I think Dallas Clark gets a bigger role if he has learned enough to get Mannings trust in that role. I consider that to be a more likely outcome than a new Wr aquisition being able to be an instant and similar success for them that Wayne is.
Maybe not. Maybe all of this specualtion has more to do with Mannings development over the same period of time than it does the ability of Reggie Wayne. But if that is the case then Brandon Stokeley and Troy Walters will probobly be more likely to get a huge bump than a new Wr imo.
Some people seem to think that Reggie Wayne is only an average Wr comparativly and that his success is largely the product of how good Manning is. But I'm not sure I agree with that. I think he is a wel balanced Wr a little on the slow side but with great hands and attention to detail.
He is actualy the opposite of Alvin Harper or Peerless Price who some people have been comparing him to. Those guys were one dimensional burners who had flash in the pan success from playing against single coverage.
Wayne on the other hand is more of a possesion type Wr 1st who runs good routes and can set up defenders.
At least thats the way I see it. I don't see Reggie Wayne running 70% go routes.
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Arm Chair Express
Footballguy
But can he set up 2 defenders that would be on him if he were a true #1 on another team? I think thats where the comparison comes in. Harrison gets the double team leaving Wayne to work on one guy.
They pick up a top rb, then release James, sign Moulds and...uhm...spend the savings on some player of some sort.
Loads of wild speculation going on in here.Oh and 
at the poster who suggested Barlow with this team. I'd love to see it but I think I would have as good a shot as Mr. heartless.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
One thing to consider is that most teams employ a zone D against the Colts. Ofcourse they pay more attention to Marvin, but I would say that Wayne gets close to equal attention.I think for Wayne to be successful elsewhere, he'll need to go to a balanced offense where he doesn't need to be "The Man".
I am in the camp that the Colts find a way to sign Edge for less than he wanted last year. I think Edge realizes the market isn't there, even for a great back like him or Alexander.
I also think the Colts Franchise Wayne to keep him around to make a hopeful repeat Superbowl run.
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