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So, who will the Chargers pick? (1 Viewer)

Billings, Bullard, Hargrave, Ridgeway..... all good DL choices here.
Especially with Byard now off the board, S is not the pick here. Gotta go DL. Adding Mebane, Bosa, Bullard (and a healthy Liuget) in place of Reyes, Mathews, and (name your scrub) would turn DL from a weakness into a strength on this team.

 
I would have considered taking Bullard in the second, so if they get him here, it makes up somewhat for the Henry pick.

 
I can live with Tuerk. Best center remaining, and it is definitely a major need. He should be the starter over Watt from day one.

However, this is exactly why I think going TE in the second round was a mistake.

 
PFF grade:


4 (35). San Diego Chargers: Hunter Henry | Grade: B+


With Ladarius Green moving on, Henry steps in as a receiving tight end next to Antonio Gates. He has the speed to stretch the seam after posting the top receiving grade in the nation and not dropping a pass in 2015. He’s not a great run blocker, but Henry adds a nice mismatch option for the San Diego offense.

 
Could have had this draft so far:

  1. DT/DE - DeForest Buckner
  2. C - Nick Martin
  3. DT/DE - Jonathan Bullard
I would definitely prefer that. Bosa for Buckner is fine, but Martin + Bullard >> Henry + Tuerk.

 
Per that piece, Henry is the best TE to come out since 2014.  And not only is it a position of need for the Chargers, it's a position that is featured in their offense and therefore extremely important to find a playmaker.  

Loving this pick, especially since the Bolts were able to fill the center hole with Tuerk in round 3. 

Telesco knocking this draft out of the park thus far.  

 
You mean even more than he did last year?! Zoiks! 
I think last year's draft was excellent - LT couldn't have run behind that line.  I expect Gordon to have a BIG bounce back year.

Perryman and Emmanuel were steals, Mager is a project as is Philon.  But all 5 made the team, and all 5 will make the team again this year. 

 
Looking back on Telesco's first 3 drafts:

  • He drafted 17 players.
  • He traded away 3 4th round picks and 1 5th round pick. So one must consider that 21 picks were used to draft those 17 players.
  • Looks like 7 will be starters this season: Fluker, Teo, Allen, Verrett, Attaochu, Gordon, and Perryman.

    Hard to know at this point exactly how good these players will turn out to be. We know the most about Fluker (below average), Teo (average), and Allen (above average).
  • The others could all still go either way. We do know that none of them have made a Pro Bowl yet, though Allen presumably would have made it last year if he didn't get hurt.
  • Speaking of getting hurt, that has been a theme with this group, which has missed 21% of the regular season games since they were drafted.

[*]Looks like at least 12 of those players will make the roster: the 7 named above plus Steve Williams, Watt, Carrethers, Mager, and Emanuel. Philon will probably make it 13, and Tourek Williams could make it 14. Of these bench players, Steve Williams flashed last year but is behind 3 other corners; Watt was drafted to start but has now apparently been relegated to the bench; and the rest are project/role players. No gems here so far.

[*]Some have argued that the high number of players who are still on the team shows that Telesco has drafted well. I disagree. The quantity is there, but not the quality. How Gordon, Verrett, Perryman, and Attaochu perform this year and going forward could swing the perception of these drafts in either direction.

IMO this year's draft is already better than all three previous drafts. Bosa and Tuerk should both be starters immediately (or, in Tuerk's case, as soon as his knee allows), and Henry will play right away and take over for Gates within two years at most, so he is a long term starter.

Of course, being better than his previous drafts was a low bar, and it helps to have the #3 pick and to have a roster full of needs (which doesn't reflect particularly well on Telesco). And I don't think Henry was a good pick for a team that needs so many starters.

I'm hoping for DT Billings or SS/LB Cash in the 4th round, in that order. In total, I'd like to see the rest of the picks used on DL, OL, S, ILB, and FB, in some order.

 
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I think last year's draft was excellent - LT couldn't have run behind that line.  I expect Gordon to have a BIG bounce back year.

Perryman and Emmanuel were steals, Mager is a project as is Philon.  But all 5 made the team, and all 5 will make the team again this year. 
I am just curious..... who do you think built that offensive line??????

It may sound great when guys make your team, UNLESS they are making a 4 win team. I bet CLE drafts a TON of guys that make the team every year... because they have nobody to beat out to make the team. Remember when some people were telling you that drafting Watt and Carrethers as "starters" doesn't really matter if they couldn't start on any other team in the NFL.

Telesco is a master of building a roster where almost every position on the roster is a position of need, I'll grant you that.

 
Thank God.

I was worried there they wouldn't take a run stuffing ILB..... Telesco is nothing if not consistent. 
Sadly, I'm not surprised Telesco passed on Billings, even though he was projected as high as the second round, and PFF said he could be the best NT in the draft.

Taking Billings there would have really elevated this draft, as getting him that late would have made up for the Hunter pick... it would have been like drafting Bosa, Billings, Tuerk, and then Hunter.

Billings is a guy who would have been in heavy rotation from day one, would have been the long term starter behind Mebane, and could have made a real impact from day one. Instead, Telesco takes a backup ILB. :wall:

 
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I am just curious..... who do you think built that offensive line??????

It may sound great when guys make your team, UNLESS they are making a 4 win team. I bet CLE drafts a TON of guys that make the team every year... because they have nobody to beat out to make the team. Remember when some people were telling you that drafting Watt and Carrethers as "starters" doesn't really matter if they couldn't start on any other team in the NFL.

Telesco is a master of building a roster where almost every position on the roster is a position of need, I'll grant you that.
Some of you blame Telesco for JD Walton, Tyreek Burwell, and Kenny Wiggins. 

I don't.  

 
Some of you blame Telesco for JD Walton, Tyreek Burwell, and Kenny Wiggins. 

I don't.  
Who do you think is responsible for drafting depth on the SD roster? Or do you think that it's reasonable to assume the OL is going to start 80 out of 80 games every year? (Not that the NFL has starting caliber players across the line every year).

 
The only way taking Perry over Billings make any sense is if the Chargers intend to let Teo walk after this season and envision Perry stepping in to start. Even then, I'd take my chances finding a Teo replacement through other means and take Billings.

 
It doesn't make sense even then. The entire NFL is letting ILB's that can only defend the run fall in every draft. EVERY YEAR. You can pick a new one up every season. Everyone has gotten the memo that they are only on the field 33% of the time. Everyone got the memo except Telesco. At least he didn't trade up to get this one. Jesus.

Don't be shocked if Telesco goes Scooby Wright next.

 
Who do you think is responsible for drafting depth on the SD roster? Or do you think that it's reasonable to assume the OL is going to start 80 out of 80 games every year? (Not that the NFL has starting caliber players across the line every year).
I think the Chargers unfortunately suffered an extremely abnormal rash of OL injuries last year.  Because of that, their practice team OL guys were exposed.  

If you want to take shots at Telesco for the lack of talent on the practice squad OL, have at it. :shrug:

 
I think Ridgeway might be an even better guy for SD than Billings because Ridgeway can rush the passer a little, but I would have taken either of them over yet ANOTHER ILB.

 
It doesn't make sense even then. The entire NFL is letting ILB's that can only defend the run fall in every draft. EVERY YEAR. You can pick a new one up every season. Everyone has gotten the memo that they are only on the field 33% of the time. Everyone got the memo except Telesco. At least he didn't trade up to get this one. Jesus.

Don't be shocked if Telesco goes Scooby Wright next.
Wait, you are unhappy with the Perryman pick from last year?  

 
Telesco has now utilized 25 draft picks to take 21 players as GM of the Chargers. Throughout his tenure, the OL and DL have been weaknesses of the team. Yet he only used 6 of those picks on the lines. Two 1sts (Fluker, Bosa), two 3rds (Watt, Tuerk), one 5th (Carrethers), and one 6th (Philon).

Does any Chargers fan think Telesco has done the right thing in drafting 6 total linemen? This is like a manifesto on how to take over a middle of the pack NFL team that has a franchise QB and run it into the ground.

 
I think the Chargers unfortunately suffered an extremely abnormal rash of OL injuries last year.  Because of that, their practice team OL guys were exposed.  

If you want to take shots at Telesco for the lack of talent on the practice squad OL, have at it. :shrug:
So he doesn't draft any OLman for the bench..... a guy is either a starter or he's on the practice squad? And in the case of Watt he's both a practice squad talent in your starting lineup?

 
Wait, you are unhappy with the Perryman pick from last year?  
Well, when you have Telesco as a GM "unhappy" is a sliding scale. I was less "unhappy" than when Telesco had to trade two picks to acquire Te'o as a run stopping linebacker in the second round. I was still unhappy about drafting Perryman with a second round pick, yes. I don't think using three draft picks on two marginal ILB's is good value at all. How many yards/carry do you think SD gave up on the ground last year? Both of these guys were drafted to stop the run..... you realize that right?

 
So he doesn't draft any OLman for the bench..... a guy is either a starter or he's on the practice squad? And in the case of Watt he's both a practice squad talent in your starting lineup?
I think anyone unhappy with the resources Telesco has thrown at the OL since he took over as GM is being overly critical.  

 
I think anyone unhappy with the resources Telesco has thrown at the OL since he took over as GM is being overly critical.  
I think anyone who has watched the SD OL over the past five years and are happy with the way they performed are lacking the ability to say anything critical.

 
I hope KJ Dillon is there at the end of this round. Has the speed to contribute on special teams coverage and should even push for a starting job at SS.

 
Well, when you have Telesco as a GM "unhappy" is a sliding scale. I was less "unhappy" than when Telesco had to trade two picks to acquire Te'o as a run stopping linebacker in the second round. I was still unhappy about drafting Perryman with a second round pick, yes. I don't think using three draft picks on two marginal ILB's is good value at all. How many yards/carry do you think SD gave up on the ground last year? Both of these guys were drafted to stop the run..... you realize that right?
That's fair.  Rational minds can disagree, though I'm surprised that someone like you who I know actually watches the games is unhappy with the Perryman pick. He's an absolute stud in the middle and our defense was notably better when he became a full time player the last handful of games last year.  

https://twitter.com/pff/status/675019496709582848

 
That's fair.  Rational minds can disagree, though I'm surprised that someone like you who I know actually watches the games is unhappy with the Perryman pick. He's an absolute stud in the middle and our defense was notably better when he became a full time player the last handful of games last year.  

https://twitter.com/pff/status/675019496709582848
I realize you and I are two sides of the same coin. You look at EVERY move with a wide eyed optimism, while I compare every move with the IDEAL move(or closer to it in my mind) and am typically critical. I don't just criticize moves for the sake of criticizing them. I LOVED the Barksdale signing last year and was even luke-warm to the extension this year. I didn't pan the Bosa pick, it was solid. But that's a good example..... people wanted to move up. Supposedly, BAL was very eager to move up. We KNOW for a fact TEN was willing to part with a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd to get back into the top 10. That's a great example.... how do you not accept a deal like that and take by far the best center on the board?

 
I realize you and I are two sides of the same coin. You look at EVERY move with a wide eyed optimism, while I compare every move with the IDEAL move(or closer to it in my mind) and am typically critical. I don't just criticize moves for the sake of criticizing them. I LOVED the Barksdale signing last year and was even luke-warm to the extension this year. I didn't pan the Bosa pick, it was solid. But that's a good example..... people wanted to move up. Supposedly, BAL was very eager to move up. We KNOW for a fact TEN was willing to part with a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd to get back into the top 10. That's a great example.... how do you not accept a deal like that and take by far the best center on the board?
I'd much rather have Bosa and Tuerk than Kelly and a 3rd round DE.  Bosa can be a franchise changing player.  Kelly may be great, but C's don't have the impact a dominant DE can.  

 
FWIW, PFF had Perry mocked as an early 3rd rounder: 


72. New York Giants (from New England via Chicago): Joshua Perry, LB, Ohio State


General manager: Chris Phillips
*New York traded pick 64 to England for picks 72, 127 and 196*

Finally, the board falls right for some defense. Perry gives the Giants a versatile linebacker who performed well both against the run (+7.8) and in coverage (+7.9).

 
I'd much rather have Bosa and Tuerk than Kelly and a 3rd round DE.  Bosa can be a franchise changing player.  Kelly may be great, but C's don't have the impact a dominant DE can.  
... and I'd much rather have Kelly, a 2nd rounder, and two 3rd rounders. That would be the comparison. Keep in mind Bosa won't even be an every down DE.

 
FWIW, PFF had Perry mocked as an early 3rd rounder: 


72. New York Giants (from New England via Chicago): Joshua Perry, LB, Ohio State


General manager: Chris Phillips
*New York traded pick 64 to England for picks 72, 127 and 196*

Finally, the board falls right for some defense. Perry gives the Giants a versatile linebacker who performed well both against the run (+7.8) and in coverage (+7.9).
The team plays nickel or dime most of the time. Run stuffing ILB's are worth less and less as the passing game is more and more important. Taking run stuffing ILB's year, after year, after year on a roster this thin is simply madness. Te'o, Perryman, Perry. Two second rounders and two fourth rounders and still can't stop the run. I guess since Telesco has built a 4-win team he figures other team will be ahead and running out the clock a lot so SD will be in a base defense to stop it?

 
I hope KJ Dillon is there at the end of this round. Has the speed to contribute on special teams coverage and should even push for a starting job at SS.
I should just stop this. Too disappointing when they fall off the board. He would have been a perfect fit. Too bad the team couldn't get some extra picks.

 
... and I'd much rather have Kelly, a 2nd rounder, and two 3rd rounders. That would be the comparison. Keep in mind Bosa won't even be an every down DE.
You don't think they will fit the defense to Bosa? Doesn't make sense to take the first non qb of the draft and not do that

 
ldizzle said:
You don't think they will fit the defense to Bosa? Doesn't make sense to take the first non qb of the draft and not do that
I think Bosa will be on the field in every non-running situation. Generally speaking I don't think DE's that weight in at the 260's are going to be 3-4 DE's on every down. He may eventually get heavier but I hope that doesn't come at the price of quickness. When guys remake their body it does worry me a bit.

People compare him to Jared Allen often, and I am one of the biggest Jared Allen fans ever but I don't think he's a 3-4 DE on every down either. 

 
tommyGunZ said:
Jalen Mills is a better player.
You could be right.

I just think Dillon is a little bigger, little faster, little more physical and could be a dominant on the return team from the first game of the season. 

Cash has the brains to play in the NFL, I just have doubts about his athleticism and his ability to cover. He COULD still end up the best of the three but I think Dillon had the highest ceiling of the group.

 
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I think Bosa will be on the field in every non-running situation. Generally speaking I don't think DE's that weight in at the 260's are going to be 3-4 DE's on every down. He may eventually get heavier but I hope that doesn't come at the price of quickness. When guys remake their body it does worry me a bit.

People compare him to Jared Allen often, and I am one of the biggest Jared Allen fans ever but I don't think he's a 3-4 DE on every down either. 
I think you are off base about this. People point out that he was 269 at the combine, but he reportedly played at 285 last year, plus he is just 20 years old and has a frame that should accommodate adding weight. Perhaps more importantly, he is known for having great strength as well as outstanding technique. So the "too light to play 3-4 DE" perspective seems misguided to me.

Plus, here you say you think he will be on the field in every non-running situation, as if he won't be a strong player against the run. But PFF graded him as the #1 edge defender against the run in college in both 2014 and 2015. That may not translate to him being an elite run defender in the NFL, but there is no reason to think he will be good enough to play those downs. Especially on the Chargers, with their DL roster.

All that being said, I think there are very few DL who play every down. It is reasonable to think that Liuget, Mebane, and Bosa will get most of the DL snaps, but will occasionally rotate with the next tier of Carrethers, Lissemore, and ...? Wow, just trying to come up with the second group shows how poor it is. :X   This is why passing on Billings and other DL in this draft was a mistake.

 
You could be right.

I just think Dillon is a little bigger, little faster, little more physical and could be a dominant on the return team from the first game of the season. 

Cash has the brains to play in the NFL, I just have doubts about his athleticism and his ability to cover. He COULD still end up the best of the three but I think Dillon had the highest ceiling of the group.
Wow, Cash is still available and Telesco passed on him again to take OLB? WTF?

Cash was ACC DPOY and a consensus All American last year. He is a hybrid SS/LB who is great against the run. PFF had him at #53 overall on their big board and the 7th best player available entering today. I posted earlier that if he didn't take Billings in the 4th, Cash was my next choice. Very frustrating.

 
I think you are off base about this. People point out that he was 269 at the combine, but he reportedly played at 285 last year, plus he is just 20 years old and has a frame that should accommodate adding weight. Perhaps more importantly, he is known for having great strength as well as outstanding technique. So the "too light to play 3-4 DE" perspective seems misguided to me.

Plus, here you say you think he will be on the field in every non-running situation, as if he won't be a strong player against the run. But PFF graded him as the #1 edge defender against the run in college in both 2014 and 2015. That may not translate to him being an elite run defender in the NFL, but there is no reason to think he will be good enough to play those downs. Especially on the Chargers, with their DL roster.

All that being said, I think there are very few DL who play every down. It is reasonable to think that Liuget, Mebane, and Bosa will get most of the DL snaps, but will occasionally rotate with the next tier of Carrethers, Lissemore, and ...? Wow, just trying to come up with the second group shows how poor it is. :X   This is why passing on Billings and other DL in this draft was a mistake.
This part is very true.

They are almost intentionally grounding the ball avoiding defensive line in this draft. It's comical, now with a punter. 

 
How about a punter?
Even for Telesco, this move is flabbergasting. Stunning. Outrageous. He still has two more picks left, but he felt he had to draft a punter now?!?!?!?!?!?!?

ETA: But, hey, the punter is likely to make the final roster, so that virtually guarantees Telesco has now drafted 6 players who will make the final roster. So he must be killing this draft, right?

 
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Two of my favorite day 3 picks Miss OT Fahn Cooper and Akron LB Jatavis Brown come off the board back to back. Brown will be standout on ST.
 

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