The guy firmly believes in First come first serve waivers system. I think that is ridiculous. Anyone who has done blind bidding, are there any major issues when it comes to injury ravaged teams and it totally changing teams during the playoffs? I just don't see it, and so be it if a team has saved up money. they had injury free players and picked good players, so they should be rewarded. It sucks arguing with a guy who I think knows he has an advantage cause he follows sunday injuries closer than anyone else.. he considers time sensitive pickups more skill than managing auction budget well. Please tell me he is not right.
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Some league members against blind bidding waivers (1 Viewer)
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Avery
Footballguy
He is not right and I can't think of a good argument that would say so.
That system sucks. I left a keeper league because of that stupid rule. It was one thing when that was the only option we had, but then when blind bidding became an option at Yahoo and the commissioner still refused to switch, I bowed out. Some clown would sit in front of his computer all day on Sundays. Every Sunday he would add multiple players. Usually they would be the backups who entered games due to injuries suffered by starters. Or he would add some player who had a big game out of nowhere (Frisman Jackson Week 1 from a half decade ago- that type of thing). Sometimes it did not work out for him in the long run, but more often than not it did. Even worse was how this guy would brag about how great he was and he refused to see anything unfair about what he was doing. Keep in mind this was back in the day when nobody had the internet on their phone and many people were still using a dial-up connection on their PC. As for blind bidding, I have yet to encounter a problem.
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WisWolvrns
Footballguy
Haven't had issues with bidding waivers, albeit, we only ran waivers till the last week of the regular FF season. For the FF playoffs, you started who you had. We did have larger rosters though, so no issues with have a number of extra players as backups.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
This is silly. It's very easy to be the first to wire on a new hot pick-up (or in many leagues, the first up at 3AM on Tuesday morning). It's simply a matter of paying attention.
FAAB forces you to be decisive, predict correctly and essentially play poker against your opponents.
His worry about it giving advantage to teams that didn't have many injuries is also silly.
That makes no sense, and he clearly just doesn't want to try something different.
Having injury-free players doesn't mean someone will have a bunch of money left for the playoffs. Everyone bids on the high-priced free agents.
Even if it did, has it ever occurred to him that fantasy football is pretty unfair when it comes injuries. FAAB absolutely does not make it any less fair for those injury bitten teams.
What it does do though, is give a team with a big injury a fighting chance, if they aren't the first to the wire. You just lost your best RB? It'll cost you, but you have the choice to get his back up. Not true with FCFS.
All my leagues use FAAB now and not a single member would ever consider doing it differently now.
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Manster
Footballguy
Blind bidding rules! It is the most fair way to do waivers. And its fun. And it adds money to the pot. The flaw with 1st come 1st served is not everyone can be in front of their computer when they start. Advantage goes to the guys who are free when wiavers start. Lemme guess, this guy is prolly able to be in front of his comp. for waivers.
Bottomline: This guys sounds like a cry baby with poor money management skills.
FWIW, we do blind bidding at the start of kick off, through monday night game, weekly. After these waivers clear we have a short 1st come 1st served period. I like this setup, as you can wait to swap a kicker or whatever in the 1st come 1st served.
Bottomline: This guys sounds like a cry baby with poor money management skills.
FWIW, we do blind bidding at the start of kick off, through monday night game, weekly. After these waivers clear we have a short 1st come 1st served period. I like this setup, as you can wait to swap a kicker or whatever in the 1st come 1st served.
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Captain Hook
Footballguy
If YOU don't like the rules, WHY play?
If you are going to play in the league, quit #####ing about the rules
If you are going to play in the league, quit #####ing about the rules
This is one of the original members of the league so he would never go, and unfortunately people take his opinion with more value than mine since i am a fairly new member.
Have this same issue. He thinks we're trying to conspire against him.
And few others are just afraid of change, stating blind bidding is too luck-based.
They compromised to do FAAB but no freezing of waivers (they don't realize freezing is standard in the fantasy game). I said forget it, as that makes no sense whatsoever.
I just gave up rather than
over and over. Just found a new league with more logical owners.
And few others are just afraid of change, stating blind bidding is too luck-based.
They compromised to do FAAB but no freezing of waivers (they don't realize freezing is standard in the fantasy game). I said forget it, as that makes no sense whatsoever.
I just gave up rather than
over and over. Just found a new league with more logical owners.
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Tigerbot Hesh
Footballguy
Instead of a blind bid, could the league switch to Sunday-Tuesday waivers where the weekly waiver priority is set by team's records? That would eliminate the money management aspect of it, but still keep him from hogging the FA wire all day Sunday. I don't see how he could argue against giving the last-place teams a break in FA pickups. You could do that for a year, and then probably jump to a blind bid system.
grateful zed
Footballguy
reset the blinds for the playoffs.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I wouldn't mind doing this in my leagues. I think it makes sense. The purpose of FAAB is really just for the stud FA's. I miss being able to drop/add guys during the week. Adding players that nobody cared to bid on isn't unfair to anyone.'HoTnickZ said:Have this same issue. He thinks we're trying to conspire against him.
And few others are just afraid of change, stating blind bidding is too luck-based.
They compromised to do FAAB but no freezing of waivers (they don't realize freezing is standard in the fantasy game). I said forget it, as that makes no sense whatsoever.
I just gave up rather than
I think a FA auction on Tues. or Wed., then FCFS for the rest of the week would be ideal.
Closest I've come is daily auctions Wed-Sun. My leagues do $0 minimum bids, so it's pretty close to the same thing.
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rotorooter
Footballguy
I too prefer blind bidding. But there is not really a good argument against first come, first serve as the playing field is fair. The only argument is that there is more balance to the league b/c it does not favor someone who has time to sit and monitor every game all Sunday and due to games being played a different times not every team has open roster spots to replace a player if he already played that day. Neither are good arguments.I would suggest a compromise. Open up first come, first serve at midnight tuesday.That way everyone has a chance.'brett5673 said:
dal_boys_phan
Footballguy
Blind bid before the first game, first come first served afterwards. Players on teams that have started/played their game for a week (say the Thur game) are not eligible to be picked up until ALL games have been completed that week. This puts all of the sudden starters because of injuries in the Thur/Sat games or early Sun games passing FIRST through the blind bid process, before they go into the first come first served pool.
Forces everyone to have a shot at every player fairly before first come, first served.
Also, no replacement pickups in the playoff weeks (13 to 16) unless the player gets injured during the games that week. And, those players picked up during the playoffs are not eligible to be kept the following year.
Forces everyone to have a shot at every player fairly before first come, first served.
Also, no replacement pickups in the playoff weeks (13 to 16) unless the player gets injured during the games that week. And, those players picked up during the playoffs are not eligible to be kept the following year.
Johnny Blood
Footballguy
1)FCFS waivers is an oxymoron. Waivers are, by definition, not FCFS. What this guy wants is an unregulated free agent system.
2)Fantasy football is supposed to be for people who like football. People who like football attend football games. So why should they be disadvantaged by going to football games instead of claiming free agents from their mother's basement?
2)Fantasy football is supposed to be for people who like football. People who like football attend football games. So why should they be disadvantaged by going to football games instead of claiming free agents from their mother's basement?
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Not sure I understand. They want to do FAAB essentially only on dropped players, since there is no waive freeze period otherwise so it's FCFS the entire season. Makes no sense to have FAAB in this scenario.I wouldn't mind doing this in my leagues. I think it makes sense. The purpose of FAAB is really just for the stud FA's. I miss being able to drop/add guys during the week. Adding players that nobody cared to bid on isn't unfair to anyone.'HoTnickZ said:Have this same issue. He thinks we're trying to conspire against him.
And few others are just afraid of change, stating blind bidding is too luck-based.
They compromised to do FAAB but no freezing of waivers (they don't realize freezing is standard in the fantasy game). I said forget it, as that makes no sense whatsoever.
I just gave up rather than
I think a FA auction on Tues. or Wed., then FCFS for the rest of the week would be ideal.
Closest I've come is daily auctions Wed-Sun. My leagues do $0 minimum bids, so it's pretty close to the same thing.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Does anyone have increased $$$ budgets beyond say $100?
Because it seems to me that if you want to encourage participation in leagues people should not be sitting on their haunches not taking chances on players.
If you increase the budget that 1. increases competition in bidding and 2. at the same time allows owners who are willing to take chances on players via add/drop way before they hit the horizon and via trades to do so without facing penalties for the numbers of transactions they make later on in the year.
Also, this system seems to be most advocated by owners who really think (and I guess do) draft well. I get this, this is a major part of FF, but sometimes draft picks don't pan out and if the idea is competition at some point a team which is 1-5 or 2-4 will basically stop participating because not only are they down in the standings and unlikely to make the playoffs but lo and behold the 4-2 or 5-1 team that drafted so well also happens to have a hefty fee agent budget remaining to allow them to block other teams trying to get a toe-hold of some kind.
Because it seems to me that if you want to encourage participation in leagues people should not be sitting on their haunches not taking chances on players.
If you increase the budget that 1. increases competition in bidding and 2. at the same time allows owners who are willing to take chances on players via add/drop way before they hit the horizon and via trades to do so without facing penalties for the numbers of transactions they make later on in the year.
Also, this system seems to be most advocated by owners who really think (and I guess do) draft well. I get this, this is a major part of FF, but sometimes draft picks don't pan out and if the idea is competition at some point a team which is 1-5 or 2-4 will basically stop participating because not only are they down in the standings and unlikely to make the playoffs but lo and behold the 4-2 or 5-1 team that drafted so well also happens to have a hefty fee agent budget remaining to allow them to block other teams trying to get a toe-hold of some kind.
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dagwood
Footballguy
This makes very little sense.You bid a perecentage of your budget. So if the budget is $100 a good pickup goes for $25, he will probably go for $50 if the budget is $200.There is no blocking in bb. It puts people on equal footing.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Nothing wrong with increasing budgets, but that doesn't solve the bolded problem.The only thing that solves that is $0 minimum bids. A $1 minimum bid is essentially a transaction limit.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I don't know about that, a larger budget allows for more actual bid opportunities not only in terms of dollars but actual chances. The bidding is in $1 increments, so while someone cannot bid at $24.50, they can bid at $49, in other words there are 200 different bids in a $200 budget, twice as many possible bids as in a $100 budget and so on. Also, the minimum bid is $1, so if an owner adds and drops a lot, say 40-50 times in a year, he still has more flexibility to bid at the end of the year.And yes, teams can block, a team with an excellent record and a better record (so presumably they did not need to add/drop much) at the end of the year can outspend a team with a worse record who is looking to stay in and get the better player, even though they do not need them.
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pollardsvision
Footballguy
I think of FAAB mainly being for the "new" hot commodities that show up on Sunday through unexpected performance or injury. My leagues freeze the FA pool, no matter what from Sunday at 1 to Tuesday morning, so the bidding is usually for these guys. The "dumb drop" does sometimes cause a bidding war, but it's rare.Not sure I understand. They want to do FAAB essentially only on dropped players, since there is no waive freeze period otherwise so it's FCFS the entire season. Makes no sense to have FAAB in this scenario.I wouldn't mind doing this in my leagues. I think it makes sense. The purpose of FAAB is really just for the stud FA's. I miss being able to drop/add guys during the week. Adding players that nobody cared to bid on isn't unfair to anyone.'HoTnickZ said:Have this same issue. He thinks we're trying to conspire against him.
And few others are just afraid of change, stating blind bidding is too luck-based.
They compromised to do FAAB but no freezing of waivers (they don't realize freezing is standard in the fantasy game). I said forget it, as that makes no sense whatsoever.
I just gave up rather than
I think a FA auction on Tues. or Wed., then FCFS for the rest of the week would be ideal.
Closest I've come is daily auctions Wed-Sun. My leagues do $0 minimum bids, so it's pretty close to the same thing.
I don't see the point in only having bidding over the recently dropped players and having a FCFS open on Sundays.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
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