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Someone explain to me the Kevin Jones Love (1 Viewer)

tombonneau

tombonneau

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So I'm reading all sorts of insane KJ love on this board and need it explained to me. Is this just a collection of pie-in-the-sky owners, or are non-biased FF players agreeing?

KJ isn't even on my radar. Like many, I've mentally written him off for the last few years. The guy just doesn't stay healthy. And he's the worst kind of injury magnet, because he has 60 yards in 1.5 quarters and takes himself out because of a thigh bruise.

He might be good for a few games, but it sounds like people on this board are touting him as a top 5 RB moving forward, and I'm not seeing it.

Is everyone who is seeing this tremendous upside in him just willfully ignoring the last two injury-riddled sub 4.0 ypc seasons?

 
I think I remember seeing a lot of people mentioning PPR and dynasty leagues. IMO, there's good reason to be optimistic about KJ in both of those formats.

 
He was top 10 in my leagues last year prior to the injury, having a monster ppr season. If he stays on the field he's huge. I got him in the 5th round of a 20 team draft...whether you like him or not, that's a hell of a steal.

 
tombonneau said:
So I'm reading all sorts of insane KJ love on this board and need it explained to me. Is this just a collection of pie-in-the-sky owners, or are non-biased FF players agreeing?KJ isn't even on my radar. Like many, I've mentally written him off for the last few years. The guy just doesn't stay healthy. And he's the worst kind of injury magnet, because he has 60 yards in 1.5 quarters and takes himself out because of a thigh bruise.He might be good for a few games, but it sounds like people on this board are touting him as a top 5 RB moving forward, and I'm not seeing it.Is everyone who is seeing this tremendous upside in him just willfully ignoring the last two injury-riddled sub 4.0 ypc seasons?
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Last year, in twelve games, KJ had 1209 total yards, 8 total TDs and over five receptions per game in his first year in the Martz offense. He is an injury risk for sure, but he performed at a high enough level last year, especially in PPR leagues, to warrant some excitement. I agree the enthusiasm is a bit excessive here, however. I think it is based in large part on the fact that KJ's ADP was through the floor this year and people like bragging about getting a steal.
 
he puts up solid points because of his receptions, he's in a strong offense which gives him shots at the endzone, and the rb's are crumbling all around the nfl.

I had him last year and he's a producer, but that's a legit knock about the injuries.

I think his owners are hoping he stays healthy, which I'm a little skeptical about, but would certainly gamble on if you got him for nothing more than a roster spot.

 
In a PPR, he has a lot of value. In a year where so many top players are going down, he could be a top producer by default. And in a rare season where the Lions have a playoff spot to play for, we could see something special. Put those things together, and I can see why are hopeful he can be a top guy.

 
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Why is this so hard to understand? Kevin Jones is the main running back on an offense which forces opponents to play their safeties back on a regular basis. How many offenses are there like this in the NFL? Only four at this time: NE, Dallas, Indy, and Detroit. (Cincy was this way before and could be again).

Of the four teams, how many of them have a guy in the same position as Jones? NE and Dallas are RBBC. Indy may be too after last night, although I still believe in Addai.

So this puts Jones in a situation that only Addai also benefits from. Yes, he won't get nearly as many carries as other top 5 RBs, but he should make more yards from the carries he does get, because he will never face 8 men in the box. The PPR only adds to the equation.

Neither Jones nor Addai are anywhere near the most talented RB. But their unique situations have to put them towards the top of any list. Jones IS a top 5 RB, health willing.

 
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
In a PPR, he has a lot of value. In a year where so many top players are going down, he could be a top producer by default. And in a rare season where the Lions have a playoff spot to play for, we could see something special. Put those things together, and I can see why are hopeful he can be a top guy.
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:lmao: I am a past and present KJ owner and this is the best point IMO. At 4-2 the Lions have already surpassed their total wins last season. The NFC will likely have a playoff team at 9-7, and barring a complete melt-down, the Lions should at least be vying for that spot through the fantasy season. That has value, especially with a guy like KJ, who I percieve (along with many others) and being soft since being drafted.

I have watched him some (not a Lions homer) and he seems to be running with good power and balance. I don't think he is going to be breaking any 60 yard runs, but I would be surprised if he was not involved to the tune of 20 touches per game, minimum.

I like him to be somewhere between RB 6 and 12 from here on out (including last week of course).

 
1. His price tag was pretty low, so people are excited about him in the context of having gotten him for cheap.

2. He scored a lot of points when healthy last year.

3. You never know when a guy will stay healthy. DeShaun Foster and Fred Taylor have been the picture of good health for the last two years after suffering through a lot of injury problems earlier in their careers.

 
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Part of the love might also be coming from the fact that very few RBs this year have been able to stay both healthy and productive. I would actually take 5 or 6 games from Kevin Jones throughout the rest of the season. Others might be more likely to play all 9-10 games remaining, but few of those will average per game what Jones did last season.

 
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KJ is all about upside. The thing is, if he is playing, he offers great value and very good to great production.

He's known to get injured. But if you can get 7 or so games in a row from him at this point, that can help win a lot of championships.

No guarantee of that - but for someone drafted in the late middle rounds in competitive leagues, you can't ask for much more.

It's one thing to draft KJ as the 8th overall player and then lose him 3, or 6 or 9 games into a season. Here you have a depth pick that will be a top 10 player at his position for as long as he can stay on the field.

 
He was a top-10 RB last year when healthy, and he looked awesome this past weekend. For me, it's really as simple as that.

 
past performance no guarantee of future and past injuries no guarantee of future. yes, many of got kj in later rounds (12th for me), while his comeback from the dreaded lisfranc has been amazing- it was his first start and real action. lets re-visit after a few more games.

bit early too be passin the kool-aid

 
bigupsetter said:
past performance no guarantee of future and past injuries no guarantee of future. yes, many of got kj in later rounds (12th for me), while his comeback from the dreaded lisfranc has been amazing- it was his first start and real action. lets re-visit after a few more games. bit early too be passin the kool-aid
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Regreatful Non KJ owner. In a PPR league he will be gold, mark it down....
 
bigupsetter said:
past performance no guarantee of future and past injuries no guarantee of future. yes, many of got kj in later rounds (12th for me), while his comeback from the dreaded lisfranc has been amazing- it was his first start and real action. lets re-visit after a few more games. bit early too be passin the kool-aid
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Actually, I think it's a bit too late. If you didn't get onboard the KJ train, someone else most likely already has your league's seat. It's no certainty he stays healthy, but the same can be said of at least half of the other top 20 RBs, too.
 
nobody's concerned about schedule?

3+ ypc is tough when you only get 15 carries.

although he'll still get his extra receiving pts in ppr.

 
towney said:
bigupsetter said:
past performance no guarantee of future and past injuries no guarantee of future. yes, many of got kj in later rounds (12th for me), while his comeback from the dreaded lisfranc has been amazing- it was his first start and real action. lets re-visit after a few more games. bit early too be passin the kool-aid
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Regreatful Non KJ owner. In a PPR league he will be gold, mark it down....
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Im quite pleased with what ive since so far- and my league is ppr- but as has been stated so many injuries evry week- lets see. just being cautious. though, he seems to be getting stronger each week. just no ready to put him top 5 just yet.
 
Hi tombonneau,

You might not remember our difference of opinion back in 2004. We disagreed on two specific players. Mushin Muhammad and Joey Galloway. You were convinced that the two were "injury prone" and a waste of a roster spot. You might recall your pet name for Muhammad. You called him "muhammy".

You were wrong then, and I think you're wrong again.

Injuries happen. Players heal. Does an injury mean that another injury is more probable? Perhaps slightly, but its not enough so that it should make anyone ignore a potential value play.

 
I think the reason for so much optimism is simple. He's on a high powered offense, he was a draft bargain, and probably most importantly, with all of the injuries to RB's this year (Ronnie Brown, SJax, etc) as well as underperformance (Shaun Alexander, LJ, Maroney, etc) he's viewed as a "season saver" for many people who have been afflicted by bad luck in regard to their top picks.

 
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NoCheese said:
I think the reason for so much optimism is simple. He's on a high powered offense, he was a draft bargain, and probably most importantly, with all of the injuries to RB's this year (Ronnie Brown, SJax, etc) as well as underperformance (Shaun Alexander, LJ, Maroney, etc) he's viewed as a "season saver" for many people who have been afflicted by bad luck in regard to their top picks.
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:goodposting:
 
The thing is, he apparently will get the goal line carries. Which is more than you can say for FWP, who many (myself included) considered a top 5 RB.

 
tombonneau said:
So I'm reading all sorts of insane KJ love on this board and need it explained to me. Is this just a collection of pie-in-the-sky owners, or are non-biased FF players agreeing?KJ isn't even on my radar. Like many, I've mentally written him off for the last few years. The guy just doesn't stay healthy. And he's the worst kind of injury magnet, because he has 60 yards in 1.5 quarters and takes himself out because of a thigh bruise.He might be good for a few games, but it sounds like people on this board are touting him as a top 5 RB moving forward, and I'm not seeing it.Is everyone who is seeing this tremendous upside in him just willfully ignoring the last two injury-riddled sub 4.0 ypc seasons?
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This is the same logic that prevented me from drafting Randy Moss this year. "Ah, he's hurt. He'll never heal fully. He burned me last year." I'm not calling KJ the same as Moss but given good circumstances most players can be very productive. DET spreads the field and pulls defenders downfield. That tends to give opportunities to a RB that can both run and catch. That is KJ in DET. The offense is perfect for KJ.Add to that the fact that he is the clear #1 in DET and not a 50/50 RB like many others and that he has been scoring a TD nearly every week and KJ becomes a good #2. Given the fact that most owners probably drafted him in a late round he is extremely good value for the 2nd half. Especially if your #1 or #2 is out for the season due to injury.
 
I really don't understand the negativity surrounding him. Those who grabbed him no doubtedly got him for pennies this year. With all the busts, injuries and time-share uncertainties surrounding so many RB's this year, he's one of the safer guys to have on your team going forward. He was extremely productive when playing last year, on a much worse Detroit team with absolutely no hope for the playoffs.

Seems to me most people that are down on him either 1) were burned by his injuries in the past, or 2) missed out on him this year. Both aren't valid reasons to downgrade him right now. I'm sorry, you can't simply refuse to have a guy on your radar simply because of injury history. Many guys get injured, and often, it's part of the game. Whether or not he gets injured again, he's worth depending on for the time being until that happens, if it does at all.

EDIT: And in PPR leagues, this isn't even a discussion worth having.

 
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thatguythere said:
I thought Duckett looked good last week too.....maybe he'll start eating up the goal line carries..... :coffee:
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Duckett hasn't done much even when Bell was the full time starter. I guess some people are just hoping KJ won't blow up this year but his outlook sure looks good at this point.And forthe owners, like myself that drafted him in the 11th round, he's already outplayed his ADP by miles :banned:
 
In my league we don't get points for YPC so that's a moot point here.

Top 5? I really doubt it. Top 10 from here on out? Very possible. What's not to love? Primary ball carrier on a good offense, catches plenty of balls, GL carries. I'm glad there's plenty of tombonneau's in my leagues who shied away and let me get him for nothing.

 
the spanker said:
thatguythere said:
I thought Duckett looked good last week too.....maybe he'll start eating up the goal line carries..... :blackdot:
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Duckett hasn't done much even when Bell was the full time starter. I guess some people are just hoping KJ won't blow up this year but his outlook sure looks good at this point.And forthe owners, like myself that drafted him in the 11th round, he's already outplayed his ADP by miles :lmao:
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Hey I'm a Lions fan....just him returning and playing decent is a bonus for us.
 
Dodds has KJ ranked 6th vs CHI in PPR leagues and that might move up once Addai's RBBC situation gets factored in. Ranks him over the likes of FWP, Gore, and ADP. Now that's some Kevin Jones love...

 
Shick! said:
Hi tombonneau,You might not remember our difference of opinion back in 2004. We disagreed on two specific players. Mushin Muhammad and Joey Galloway. You were convinced that the two were "injury prone" and a waste of a roster spot. You might recall your pet name for Muhammad. You called him "muhammy".You were wrong then, and I think you're wrong again.Injuries happen. Players heal. Does an injury mean that another injury is more probable? Perhaps slightly, but its not enough so that it should make anyone ignore a potential value play.
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I cannot recall that thread, Senator. :goodposting: Good stuff in this thread, though. It almost has changed my opinion of KJ.
 
Have too say, based on draft postion (10th round, 12 team league), Kevin Jones is gold. Who else did you draft in the 10-12 round that has a better chance of being a starting RB on your FF team?

105 yards rushing, td, two receptions today. That is likely his minimum point output the rest of the year.

That is great return based on ADP. The kind that makes your team a winning team.

 
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