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SP Mock Invitational--5th round? Uh huh....5th round...... (1 Viewer)
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steelers1080
Footballguy
Talking about Cincy? If so, I think they go WR in round 1. But there are WRs in round 4+ that could be starters week 1. My favorite right now is Rashard Higgins, I think he's definitely one to watch.
Run It Up
Footballguy
3.91 The Patriots select Scooby Wright III, LB Arizona
I don't know why people are so divisive on Scoobs, the guys a year removed from being the consensus #1 LB and his draft stock plummets after two minor injuries and a bad 40. Anyone who has seen him play knows he plays faster than his 40. Raw but very smart, good in the run and pass game, very capable pass rusher - prototypical Belichickian player imo.
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2.60 Leonte Caroo, WR Rutgers
2.61 Kyler Fackrell, EDGE Utah ST
3.91 Scooby Wright III, LB Arizona
3.96
I don't know why people are so divisive on Scoobs, the guys a year removed from being the consensus #1 LB and his draft stock plummets after two minor injuries and a bad 40. Anyone who has seen him play knows he plays faster than his 40. Raw but very smart, good in the run and pass game, very capable pass rusher - prototypical Belichickian player imo.
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2.60 Leonte Caroo, WR Rutgers
2.61 Kyler Fackrell, EDGE Utah ST
3.91 Scooby Wright III, LB Arizona
3.96
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I like/dislike that Davis pick.
massraider
Footballguy
kutta
Footballguy
steelers1080
Footballguy
MG345
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Take a look at the 1st post, who would you have taken, with benefit of hindsight? Interested to hear SEA fan's take.
I'm not a huge fan of Davis. I had him on my list for the Panthers to double dip at CB, but from what I have read he wasn't great at CB and is likely going to be a S. Seemed like he might not be great at either and for the Panthers, I think they'd rather have a bigger guy like Cravens to play SS and also be able to play on the line. As a CB, I think there are other guys still left that are better straight corners.
MG345
Footballguy
Not so much any specific player. Two biggest needs are LT and Pass Rush (DE or DT). You have multiple options at both spots. Burning high value picks on WR & CB (which are in no way positions of need with pretty firmly entrenched players already on the team) is pretty much the only thing I wouldn't want to see.
Well, the pick is Cook then, since Alexander went in the mid 1st. Pretty sure I would have taken him at 30, 62 and 76 if he was there.
massraider
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
The pick WAS Mackensie Alexander at pick #20 in the 1st round.
20(20) Jets--Mackensie Alexander
You'll have to choose another player, Mac has been taken.
steelers1080
Footballguy
I'm so confused right now. Did he pick a guy who's been gone for 2 rounds or was he just joking?
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Couldn't agree more. Really liked him as a 3rd round pick to move to safety after seeing his numbers. Watched a few games of his and he dropped off my want list. Hits well for a CB but doesn't tackle all that well. He has terrible feet and slips often, gets out of control often, doesn't break down on ball carriers, doesn't play the ball really well. Much more gym guy than between the sidelines guy.
For my team, I'd take him as a 5th round pick (which we don't have this year) and he would be an outside, press-zone, 4th or 5th CB. Doesn't tackle well enough to move to safety.
cheese
Footballguy
Ya Cincy. I'm all for value, but the Bengals are in win now mode. Starting WR cannot be ignored 3 straight times.
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, while the Panthers like tweeners, they like the ones who excel at both, like Shaq Thompson. He was amazing at Washington, but people weren't sure where he fits. Thomas Davis was a converted safety. Cravens would also fit perfectly as a S that can double as a LBer/play on the line, but honestly he's likely not there for them unless they trade up in the 2nd like they did last year with Funchess. They like their "hog mollies" so that their fast LBers can go all over the field including pass coverage. Kuechly and Davis had 8 INTs in the regular season and 2 more in the playoffs.
Davis seems like a better fit at S, but there are other Ss I like better and he isn't Jalen Ramsey in coverage, so there are other CBs I like better.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Good. I was thinking of passing on him just to spite you guys.
This has about a 0.01% chance of happening as someone would take him as at least a #2 QB or for later trade bait.
massraider
Footballguy
3. 92 Cards select Connor Cook, QB, Michigan St.
3.93 Vikings select Mike Thomas, WR, S. Miss
(Per @Biabreakable PM)
3.93 Vikings select Mike Thomas, WR, S. Miss
(Per @Biabreakable PM)
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massraider
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Just Win Baby
Footballguy
You would have liked my take in Andy's mock then. All of the top guys (Coleman went top 10) were gone, so I went A'Shawn Robinson in the 1st and before the WR needy guys drafted in the 2nd, I traded up and got Will Fuller. I really liked that combo of DT/NT value and still getting the last of the top tier WRs with speed to complement the single coverage that AJ Green and Eifert will provide.
massraider
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
3.94 - Isaac Seumalo, OL - Oregon St
Has positional flexibility and fits well in a zone blocking scheme. Broncos have improved the tackle spots but the interior still needs work.
Has positional flexibility and fits well in a zone blocking scheme. Broncos have improved the tackle spots but the interior still needs work.
massraider
Footballguy
By the way, as I type in names after the @ symbol, I noticed there is another Andy Dufresne running around, with a slightly different name. Thoughts on this imposter???
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Been around a while and is harmless I think. Transposed two letters IIRC for the name difference.
TartanLion
Footballguy
3.95 - Detroit Lions select Miles Killebrew, SS, Southern Utah.
Kind of feel like this draft hasn't gone well for me. Only having a compensatory pick in the 3rd is really rough. In this instance, with the two lines stocked up with Ogbah and L Clark in first two rounds, I'll try fill in another need at Safety. Killebrew comes in. Tough. Violent. Instincts need to improve but hopefully Glover Quinn can take him under his wing and help him improve as a player.
1.16 - Emanuel Ogbah, DE
2.46 - Le'Raven Clark, OT
3.95 - Miles Killebrew, SS
Kind of feel like this draft hasn't gone well for me. Only having a compensatory pick in the 3rd is really rough. In this instance, with the two lines stocked up with Ogbah and L Clark in first two rounds, I'll try fill in another need at Safety. Killebrew comes in. Tough. Violent. Instincts need to improve but hopefully Glover Quinn can take him under his wing and help him improve as a player.
1.16 - Emanuel Ogbah, DE
2.46 - Le'Raven Clark, OT
3.95 - Miles Killebrew, SS
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Good pick, he was on my short list at 106. Still 10 more picks so not sure if he would have even got to me after you.
massraider
Footballguy
Run It Up
Footballguy
3.96 The Patriots select Sheldon Day, DL Notre Dame
The Pats just cut Easley and traded Jones. Day provides a flexible linemen to play in or out, checkered injury history bringing the total of picks by the Pats with concerning injury histories to 3 of 4. He doesn't play at the level, but he is commonly compared to Aaron Donald, similar mold.
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2.60 Leonte Carroo, WR Rutgers
2.61 Kyler Fackrell, EDGE Utah ST
3.91 Scooby Wright III, LB Arizona
3.96 Sheldon Day, DL Notre Dame
Its debatable what the Pats true needs are having a lot of depth even at the weaker positions. I think these picks help greatly in the nearer future. Carroo is the kind of WR the Pats have been looking for for a decade. Fackrell provides competition with Trey Flowers and aging Ninkovich. Scoobs provides a replacement for Mayo and gives us much needed LB depth. Day steps in to Easleys shoes, the Pats went from having 5 DTs to having only one on the books through 2017 in 2015 rookie Malcom Brown.
The Pats just cut Easley and traded Jones. Day provides a flexible linemen to play in or out, checkered injury history bringing the total of picks by the Pats with concerning injury histories to 3 of 4. He doesn't play at the level, but he is commonly compared to Aaron Donald, similar mold.
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2.60 Leonte Carroo, WR Rutgers
2.61 Kyler Fackrell, EDGE Utah ST
3.91 Scooby Wright III, LB Arizona
3.96 Sheldon Day, DL Notre Dame
Its debatable what the Pats true needs are having a lot of depth even at the weaker positions. I think these picks help greatly in the nearer future. Carroo is the kind of WR the Pats have been looking for for a decade. Fackrell provides competition with Trey Flowers and aging Ninkovich. Scoobs provides a replacement for Mayo and gives us much needed LB depth. Day steps in to Easleys shoes, the Pats went from having 5 DTs to having only one on the books through 2017 in 2015 rookie Malcom Brown.
Mr. Irrelevant
IBL Representative
I was prepping trade-up offers to all the top teams in the 4th round to go and get this guy.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Love every pick of yours except Day but with your need at the position and not filling it earlier, it makes sense. I don't know if you could have passed value for need any earlier but something better than Day should be a priority. Would you have done anything different if you had a do-over?
spider321
Footballguy
At 97 the Seattle Seahawks select T WILLIE BEAVERS Western Michigan.
That gives us:
26. WR LAQUON TREADWELL Ole Miss
56. G/C JOSHUA GARNETT Stanford
90. CB SEAN DAVIS Maryland
97. T WILLIE BEAVERS Western Michigan
As for the peanut gallery, I sincerely hope that Laremy Tunsil, Ryan Kelly, Joey Bosa, and Sheldon Rankins fall to these picks on draft day.
I would have thought that the 2012 draft would have taught Seattle fans that drafting the bpa beats drafting for need every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Remind me, how did the internet experts rate Seattle's draft that year?
That gives us:
26. WR LAQUON TREADWELL Ole Miss
56. G/C JOSHUA GARNETT Stanford
90. CB SEAN DAVIS Maryland
97. T WILLIE BEAVERS Western Michigan
As for the peanut gallery, I sincerely hope that Laremy Tunsil, Ryan Kelly, Joey Bosa, and Sheldon Rankins fall to these picks on draft day.
I would have thought that the 2012 draft would have taught Seattle fans that drafting the bpa beats drafting for need every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Remind me, how did the internet experts rate Seattle's draft that year?
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massraider
Footballguy
See, I think the Day pick makes all the sense in the world for the Pats.
Pats have a bunch of players that cannot do a lot of things, but can do one or two things well. So, Belicihck shrugs, picks them up, and lets them do that one thing.
Day is too small for every down duty, he's a one trick pony as a penetrator. OK, BB will have him be an interior pass rush specialist.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
3.98 - KeiVarae Russell, CB - Notre Dame
Can never have too much CB depth and I just can't bring myself to take Hackenberg.
Can never have too much CB depth and I just can't bring myself to take Hackenberg.
Run It Up
Footballguy
In the last community mock I went Carroo, Wright and then Fackrell in the 3rd. Fackrell simply shouldn't be on the board at the 91. The four players on my big board that I think have even a remote chance of landing in NE are Su'a Cravens, Kyler Fackrell, Scooby Wright and Leonte Carroo. Cravens seems to be climbing boards but if the Pats land him they could probably slot him into MLB over a 5th DB for some sort of hybrid nickel.
The Pats have like 6 RBs at the moment, but they really need a young guy in there, and there are many in this draft. Its also possible to pass on WR on day 2 and go hard in the 6th grabbing a couple guys, maybe 1 or 2 of those big bodies (Cajuste, Duarte, Boehringer). Walterfootball's latest mock has Jordan Jenkins going to the Pats in the 6th, if that was possible it would change everything.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
FOURTH ROUND
With the 1st and 2nd picks of the 4th round (overall picks #99 and #100) the Cleveland Browns select
4-1. #99 TE Tyler Higbee 6'6" 249 4.77 Western Kentucky
4-4. #100 CB Harlan Miller, SE Louisiana 6'0" 229 lbs 4.59s
... he impressed at his pro day despite still not being healthy enough to participate fully.
Before the arrest, one NFL tight ends coach told Jody Demling of Scout.com that it would be a surprise if Higbee didn't get picked before the fourth round. He was drawing plenty of recent interest from teams, too, including a visit with the Denver Broncos and a workout with the New Orleans Saints. He was reportedly drawing attention from coaches of the Cincinnati Bengals and Los Angeles Rams general manager Les Snead.
Higbee caught 38 passes for 563 yards and eight touchdowns as a senior, but missed five games due to injury.
-- My take -- Browns have a lot of holes and TE is a big need. Higbee is banged up so he didn't max out at his Pro Day.
Also, I dug into the off-field 'issue' and some guy got aggressive with a girl he was out with and he punched him and the guy fell down and smacked his head.
It doesn't look like he will face any charges but it cost him in the draft.
So I think his true speed is better than what he posted and that there isn't any off-field issues to be concerned with.
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Miller’s aggressive style of play jumps off the screen. He’s in the face of wide receivers at the line of scrimmage and dares the offense to take a shot his way. He’s able to slip underneath receivers to make a play on the ball and has excellent timing on breaking routes. A tall, long player, Miller uses that size to his advantage both in press situations and on jump balls.
In run support, Miller brings a lot to the table. He attacks the ball-carrier and will get into the backfield to spill outside runs. If lined up in the slot, Miller has the closing speed and instincts to be a valuable blitzer.
-- My take -- I like the traits and his style of play and that he can line up outside and how he sets the edge. I like him.
With the 1st and 2nd picks of the 4th round (overall picks #99 and #100) the Cleveland Browns select
4-1. #99 TE Tyler Higbee 6'6" 249 4.77 Western Kentucky
4-4. #100 CB Harlan Miller, SE Louisiana 6'0" 229 lbs 4.59s
- TE TYLER HIGBEE, Western Kentucky (6-5 ½, 250, 4.75, 3-7): Shifted from WR to TE in 2013.
... he impressed at his pro day despite still not being healthy enough to participate fully.
Before the arrest, one NFL tight ends coach told Jody Demling of Scout.com that it would be a surprise if Higbee didn't get picked before the fourth round. He was drawing plenty of recent interest from teams, too, including a visit with the Denver Broncos and a workout with the New Orleans Saints. He was reportedly drawing attention from coaches of the Cincinnati Bengals and Los Angeles Rams general manager Les Snead.
Higbee caught 38 passes for 563 yards and eight touchdowns as a senior, but missed five games due to injury.
-- My take -- Browns have a lot of holes and TE is a big need. Higbee is banged up so he didn't max out at his Pro Day.
Also, I dug into the off-field 'issue' and some guy got aggressive with a girl he was out with and he punched him and the guy fell down and smacked his head.
It doesn't look like he will face any charges but it cost him in the draft.
So I think his true speed is better than what he posted and that there isn't any off-field issues to be concerned with.
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- CB Harlan Miller, SE Louisiana 6'0" 229 lbs 4.59s
Miller’s aggressive style of play jumps off the screen. He’s in the face of wide receivers at the line of scrimmage and dares the offense to take a shot his way. He’s able to slip underneath receivers to make a play on the ball and has excellent timing on breaking routes. A tall, long player, Miller uses that size to his advantage both in press situations and on jump balls.
In run support, Miller brings a lot to the table. He attacks the ball-carrier and will get into the backfield to spill outside runs. If lined up in the slot, Miller has the closing speed and instincts to be a valuable blitzer.
-- My take -- I like the traits and his style of play and that he can line up outside and how he sets the edge. I like him.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I could live with this Broncos draft so far...
1.31 - Jarran Reed, DT - Alabama
2.63 - Derrick Henry, RB - Alabama
3.94 - Isaac Seumalo, OL - Ore. St
3.98 - KeiVarae Russell, CB - Notre Dame
1.31 - Jarran Reed, DT - Alabama
2.63 - Derrick Henry, RB - Alabama
3.94 - Isaac Seumalo, OL - Ore. St
3.98 - KeiVarae Russell, CB - Notre Dame
I'll be honest with you that I don't think Cravens makes it to your 2nd. If he falls that far the Panthers will fall all over themselves to trade up a few spots and grab him. I'm betting we won't because he'll be gone by mid 2nd.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Why is Jordan Jenkins falling so far in updated boards? I like him late 2nd to late 3rd as a 3-4 OLB.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Ive been talking with some people about Cravens and whether hes worth trading future picks to move up and grab him, something the Pats very rarely do. Its looking like the only way to land him. At the same time, I also feel like future Patriots picks have a greater than 0 chance of being taken away.
I couldn't tell you, of all the hybrid linebackers he was ranked all over the place the last couple weeks, but in recent mocks ive been seeing 4th rd or later and today in the 6th
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