Considering the fact that you're still concerned about the fact that Ware started last season as third string (or was it fourth behind Kniles Davis too??) means I'd welcome you into my league. Are you still using a 2014 cheatsheet?
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Spencer Ware, possibly the new work horse (1 Viewer)
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Milkman
Footballguy
Pro move would have been to sell Zeke. For three future 1st's or something crazy like that. Correct on your theory but you dumped the wrong player.......
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
I don't think anyone would give me what would equal the hype that Zeke is currently at. No one has even reached out to me concerning Zeke. Plus Zeke could help me win now as I have a competitive roster. Ware would only crack my lineup due to injuries. I definitely believed I move the right player, there's too much speculation around Ware for me not to pull that trigger. Who's going to be the starting RB in 3 weeks? 6 weeks? Week 13-16? No one knows for sure so he was a no brainier move for a very stacked 2017 class.
Two cents,
Tex
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ZooStation
Footballguy
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Milkman
Footballguy
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
We will see what next week's news brings but thinking of starting him in my flex spot next week over Crabtree
If Charles is inactive, Ware is a top five RB option at home against the Chargers.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
I'm certainly starting him if Charles is inactive, I would still consider it even if Charles plays depending upon news around their usage.
Milkman
Footballguy
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
At this point I wouldn't be interesting in Jamaal until I see if he's carrying the load again.
Tex
Milkman
Footballguy
Meh he's probably not but you could have both those guys and it wouldn't matter. Anyway Ill quit derailing the thread.
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LawFitz
Footballguy
I never said that. If you're going to make a douchey post about me, at least get your facts straight.
Boone22
Footballguy
Jamaal Charles - RB - Chiefs
Speaking Friday, Chiefs coach Andy Reid said Jamaal Charles (knee) "is going to need a little time to work himself back."
The revelation that Charles was working behind Spencer Ware and Charcandrick West late in Chiefs camp should've been the first cause for pause. The second is that Reid himself is saying Charles is unlikely to open the season in his usual role. Charles tore his ACL last Week 5 and won't be a full calendar year removed from the injury until after the first month of the season. Expect Ware to serve as Kansas City's lead back to begin the year.
Source: Terez Paylor on Twitter
Sep 2 - 2:41 PM
Speaking Friday, Chiefs coach Andy Reid said Jamaal Charles (knee) "is going to need a little time to work himself back."
The revelation that Charles was working behind Spencer Ware and Charcandrick West late in Chiefs camp should've been the first cause for pause. The second is that Reid himself is saying Charles is unlikely to open the season in his usual role. Charles tore his ACL last Week 5 and won't be a full calendar year removed from the injury until after the first month of the season. Expect Ware to serve as Kansas City's lead back to begin the year.
Source: Terez Paylor on Twitter
Sep 2 - 2:41 PM
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Milkman
Footballguy
LawFitz
Footballguy
You don't seem willing to exchange rational dialogue about Ware. You're too emotionally invested, maybe.
Cheers to your boy, though. I hope he wins many a fantasy championship this season. It's not out of the realm.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Trying to move him today for a WR. I got Freeman, Ingram, Duke, Henry and DeAndre Washington.
My WR3 choices are Michael Thomas, Will Fuller and Terrelle Pryor.
Milkman
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
For this week, but things might get a lot murkier if Charles comes back to full health in a few weeks. Could have a Hill/Gio like situation.
Milkman
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Right, nobody knows how it's going to go. Based on KC the last 2 years we can expect about 440 RB touches or 28 a game. The question I have is how many touches does Charles need to be an RB1? How many touches does Ware need to be a weekly startable player? Who gets the GL carries? Ware seems like the most logical choice. If Ware gets the GL carries, I would be worried about Charles. He had a good fantasy year in 2012 with only 7 TDs, but he had 20 touches a game. Will West have any role if Charles is back? You are right that things will become more clear as the season goes on. My point is just that there are a lot of ways this can break and many of them are messy.
Milkman
Footballguy
Keep in mind Ware's advanced stats and tape suggest he's a top 5 RB talent in the NFL. He's also gettin GL. There really no reason he doesn't. I don't blame anybody for selling him though if they can get a premium return. It just wouldn't surprise me if KC gave him the ball more than anybody estimated because KC doesn't lose much if anything going from a 29 year old JC coming off his second ACL injury to Spencer Ware. Then next year JC isn't a chief.
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ourmanflint
Footballguy
If Charles is Charles, and he clearly isn't yet, he will get enough touches to be an RB1 and return value. If he's not Charles, Ware is a stud.
LawFitz
Footballguy
How bad is West's injury? It's an elbow strain, right?
When West and Ware were healthy at the end of last year, West was getting half the touches and this was a repeat of Hill/Bernard in Cincy. If West is back week 1, I could easily see the same dynamic continuing. Charles isn't the only threat to touches.
Now if Charles and West are out (or severed limited)... Whole different ballgame. In that case, Ware becomes a fantasy RB1 in this offense. That possibility makes him valuable, especially right now, with Charles and West hurting and Ware ready to roll week 1 against juicy SD Def.
Milkman
Footballguy
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
This seems like a good take. Having trouble parsing through sentiment here - Ware seems like a great possiblity in WK 1 and maybe a week or two after depending on how quick Charles can get fully healthy.
People seem to be looking at Ware's stock as shooting through the roof, but West is still there and will get his COP/3rd down role -- everything points to West being ready for the season opener, and Ware and West worked well in tandem last year. And Knile Davis is still there (for now).
Feels like all of the hype on Ware is for a bigger role if Charles is out -- but that was always the case, and Ware's upside seems limited by the tandem work he will naturally have with West.
If we're talking about a Week One flier, fine, Ware looks good. But not sure I see Ware as valuable as others beyond that.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Milkman
Footballguy
A couple big mistakes with his take. He's saying "hey they were sharing carries last year when they were both healthy!" but he's disregarding that "before" West was hurt this preseason Ware came into the game first and played "all" 3 downs "including" passing downs where they threw him the ball a ton. On top of that he's disregarding that Ware outplayed West significantly on a per snap basis last year.
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ourmanflint
Footballguy
I don't put much stock in last year. I see a back in Ware who is clearly more suited as a feature back than West. He's more efficient (even facing 8 in the box), better between the tackles, better in red zone and short yardage and yards after contact. Now he's improved his receiving skills and pass protection.
gethugefast1
Footballguy
though i do not wish injury on anyone, charles is now in my romo category, though he is a tough cookie...
Full Injury History
SEASON
LEAGUE
INJURY
ANALYSIS
2015
NFL
Knee
Charles tore his ACL in week 5 and was placed on IR
2014
NFL
Ankle
Charles suffered a high ankle sprain his ankle in the opening series of his week 2 game against the Broncos.
2013
NFL
Foot
Charles had a scary fall in the preseaon straining some ligaments and missing a few practice sessions. It did not limit him throughout the season
2013
NFL
Head
Charles was knocked out of the Chiefs wild card loss against the Colts with a head injury.
2012
NFL
Head
Had to leave the week 9 game as a result of a head to head collision. He was able to pass his tests and play the following week
2012
NFL
Knee
Charles sprained his surgically repaired ACL and had to leave the game
2011
NFL
Knee
Tore ACL as he was running off the fieldand missed the remaining 14 games of the season. Had surgery and was placed on IR
2008
NFL
Ankle
Charles played through a high ankle sprain for most of the season. He did not miss any games but was pulled out of 3 games
Full Injury History
SEASON
LEAGUE
INJURY
ANALYSIS
2015
NFL
Knee
Charles tore his ACL in week 5 and was placed on IR
2014
NFL
Ankle
Charles suffered a high ankle sprain his ankle in the opening series of his week 2 game against the Broncos.
2013
NFL
Foot
Charles had a scary fall in the preseaon straining some ligaments and missing a few practice sessions. It did not limit him throughout the season
2013
NFL
Head
Charles was knocked out of the Chiefs wild card loss against the Colts with a head injury.
2012
NFL
Head
Had to leave the week 9 game as a result of a head to head collision. He was able to pass his tests and play the following week
2012
NFL
Knee
Charles sprained his surgically repaired ACL and had to leave the game
2011
NFL
Knee
Tore ACL as he was running off the fieldand missed the remaining 14 games of the season. Had surgery and was placed on IR
2008
NFL
Ankle
Charles played through a high ankle sprain for most of the season. He did not miss any games but was pulled out of 3 games
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Spencer Ware is an example of two things: 1) the end of over exposure. Fantasy isn't fun without players like Ware and the media's tiresome digging has a limit. That has been clear this preseason with the unclear scenarios of KC, SEA and DEN's QB situation and 2) that FBG's is asleep at the wheel. I'm glad I don't pay for a subscription because who would pay for a site that touts a 30 year old RB coming off his 2nd ACL injury as a 2nd round pick? What is this, 1995? We have years of history to draw upon now that this is a HORRIFIC thought process. But here is FBG's touting Charles as a 2nd round pick and giving Mark Sanchez a 80% chance at starting. They're the same as ESPN and Yahoo anymore.
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jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
I dunno about Ware being only a one or two week play. We are looking at a high mileage RB coming off a major injury. Ware has proven that he can hold the fort down--so there is zero reason for the Chiefs to rush JC back unnecessarily. Let's not forget that much of JC's success comes from elusive--change of direction/change of speed type moves--which can and will test how his injury has healed I want to be honest and say that this next part is pure opinion and speculation--but we just had a case where a player that is integral for the success of his franchise (Teddy Bridgewater) basically snap his leg in half and tear up his knee. I can't imagine that not having some effect on the thought process of Chiefs. Jamaal is the face of that franchise. The last thing they want to do is rush him back and give him a full work load unless they have to. With that being said--I want to make clear that I'm not calling JC a bust for the season. I think he'll get enough usage to be a solid and relevant asset. However, I think Ware shooting up the ADP charts makes sense--and I could see how 6th-8th round is a proper landing spot. However--now the question for me is if west or davis could be sneaky values as I haven't heard much about their ADP's really skyrocketing.
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
Hmmm. This doesn't sound like he's close to being game ready...
“I would tell you that, in that order, Eric Berry would be ready to go, Tamba second and Jamaal might need some more time to get himself back,” Chiefs coach Andy Reid said Friday.
When asked directly if he does not see Charles playing against the Chargers, Reid stopped short.
“I’m not saying that,” Reid said. “But of the three, he’s the furthest away. We’ll see how he does after a couple days off here.”
Charles has been participating in practice for a few weeks, mainly with the reserves. He has not been hit yet and has just been running through the non-contact portion of practice.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article99638427.html#storylink=cpy
“I would tell you that, in that order, Eric Berry would be ready to go, Tamba second and Jamaal might need some more time to get himself back,” Chiefs coach Andy Reid said Friday.
When asked directly if he does not see Charles playing against the Chargers, Reid stopped short.
“I’m not saying that,” Reid said. “But of the three, he’s the furthest away. We’ll see how he does after a couple days off here.”
Charles has been participating in practice for a few weeks, mainly with the reserves. He has not been hit yet and has just been running through the non-contact portion of practice.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article99638427.html#storylink=cpy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Agree to a certain extent about sites getting too standardized. He went at the end of the third round in one of my leagues (10 team, ppr, start 1 rb). I would not have touched him until the 4th round personally. Maybe he will make a sound recovery and become relevant however I don't like the risk that early in the draft.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
2) I think you have to take into consideration the type of advice you are getting. FBG is touting upside, and it's pretty undeniable Charles has the potential to finish RB#1 overall. At least a much better chance than anyone would have given Freeman at this time last year. Keep in mind the FBG audience is more likely to grind on the waiver wire if a gamble doesn't work out. When it comes to players coming back from injuries, you are right that most sites are working off the same information, although it is fun to hear what Dr Jene thinks when he has a strong opinion on a situation. FBG is probably giving you their risk/reward opinion of the situation, not a medical prognostication that Charles knee would be 100% by week 1 because if we all knew that then Charles would likely be going late in the 1st round even in this WR-maggedon year.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
When this site came around it was meant to give you a leg up. Now it's just a reflection of everything else. I pulled Charles off my board a long time ago. I mean, I could still be wrong but am just not a fan of RB's coming off of catastrophic injuries. Ware/Michael definitely look like they are inviting RBBC's for Seattle and KC. That's the point though, we wouldn't be talking about this at the end of week 4 of the preseason 5 years ago. It's just paint by numbers for here and every other fantasy site.
massraider
Footballguy
Redraft guys, where has he been going in drafts the last couple days?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
This is really it. No one knows what's up with Charles. Maybe he plays week 1 and has his role. Maybe it takes until the second half of the season. Maybe he never gets the role backs and Ware is the man.ourmanflint said:
If you have Ware and not Charles I'd say trade for Charles if he misses a couple weeks or gets less than 5 carries. But his owners will still expect a ransom I'm sure.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I am with you, but because I am in mostly draft-and-go so if he busts I have no recourse.
There have been a lot of cases of guys returning from run of the mill knee injuries recently which is why he is still being taken so much earlier than he would have been in '95.
I don't think the advice from this site is getting worse, but advice from elsewhere is getting better. IMO the best reasons to be a member have been for the contest and entertainment reasons for awhile. The "leg up" are the decisions you make given the data/analysis you get here or elsewhere. I honestly don't think there are any FF sites that can give you tomorrow's winning lottery numbers.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I don't see a problem, the current FBG draft list has Charles way down, but still high enough up that it recognizes by end of year he could be a top back. I think it's reasonable.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
Wow--that's a steal in my opinion. I was happy getting him in the mid 13th in my draft last week. I have a couple drafts on Monday--I'd be shocked if he lasted past the single digit rounds. My guess is that he'll go in the 8th or before.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I can't remember if I said this in this thread or the Charles thread the other day, but I took Ware in the 8th round of our local draft on Wednesday (took 4 WRs and then 4 RBs, so he was the 4th). I knew it was a reach, but any QB or TE I would have gotten into the 8th was no better than who I got a round or two later, and I felt that Ware has such good upside that I had no problem taking him a few rounds earlier than he was projected to go. Then again, I always draft aggressively, not scared. 
ourmanflint
Footballguy
Totally agree. I took him at 9.06 yesterday right in front of the Charles owner whom I play week 1.I can't remember if I said this in this thread or the Charles thread the other day, but I took Ware in the 8th round of our local draft on Wednesday (took 4 WRs and then 4 RBs, so he was the 4th). I knew it was a reach, but any QB or TE I would have gotten into the 8th was no better than who I got a round or two later, and I felt that Ware has such good upside that I had no problem taking him a few rounds earlier than he was projected to go. Then again, I always draft aggressively, not scared.
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