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Spencer Ware, possibly the new work horse (1 Viewer)

Bronco Billy said:
You insult people with your "grade school level game theory" and you don't even look at the facts before you shovel your ****. While Ware has been trending down the KC passing game has been incrementally moving upward. The only "glitch" was against DEN, who has been crappy against the run but stellar against the air.

Do yourself and everyone else a favor before you decide your intellect is so much more superior - take a look at the numbers first before you spout your nonsensical excuses. 

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LOL.  It's fun when people ignore second order effects.  

 
Bronco Billy said:
LOL. It's even funnier when a ####### thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. 
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What specifically do you disagree with?  Do you think Ware has suddenly become less capable as a RB?  Or do you think he solely is the cause of his rushing ypc decline in recent weeks?  What do you personally think is happening?

 
Does all this arguing over minutia get tiring for anyone else?   Unless you are loaded at RB, Ware is still an every week starting fantasy RB In addition, he has a plus matchup against a team he lit-up earlier in the year.  So lets talk about something that is relevant for this week:  I'm starting Ware over D. Freeman.  OAK has been gashed recently in the run game and as I said Ware had a monster game against them earlier this year.  If you are sitting Ware, who are you starting over him?

 
He's in my lineup, but I've been on this train through the whole year.  I do think it's possible he's tiring -- biggest workload by far of his career, including college.  But I also have noticed what appeared to be KC using West a lot in the lineup.  I've seen some efficiency decline, but I've also seen sporadic workloads and a lack of commitment to Ware when he has been running well.

Overall, I think it's probably just random variance that you see throughout a season.  He's locked in my lineup for this week, and probably the rest of the playoffs.

 
I have a week one playoff bye so i don't get to capitalize on what will probably be his best game ROS.  I can't say I'm excited about his prospects for week 15 against Tenn and, God-willing, championship week against Denver.

 
Steeler said:
Does all this arguing over minutia get tiring for anyone else?   Unless you are loaded at RB, Ware is still an every week starting fantasy RB In addition, he has a plus matchup against a team he lit-up earlier in the year.  So lets talk about something that is relevant for this week:  I'm starting Ware over D. Freeman.  OAK has been gashed recently in the run game and as I said Ware had a monster game against them earlier this year.  If you are sitting Ware, who are you starting over him?
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I'm starting him over Gurley.  Again. :shrug:

 
Steeler said:
Does all this arguing over minutia get tiring for anyone else?   Unless you are loaded at RB, Ware is still an every week starting fantasy RB In addition, he has a plus matchup against a team he lit-up earlier in the year.  So lets talk about something that is relevant for this week:  I'm starting Ware over D. Freeman.  OAK has been gashed recently in the run game and as I said Ware had a monster game against them earlier this year.  If you are sitting Ware, who are you starting over him?
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Who are you starting over Freeman? Ware is RB1...who is your RB2?

 
Just to try to kinda make things easier here--because I feel like the discussion has gotten a bit confrontational--why don't we try to create a list of Rb's that we'd confidently start over Ware week to week in ppr formats regardless of matchup:

David Johnson, Leveon Bell, EE, Lesean Mccoy, Melvin Gordon, Jordan Howard, D. Freeman, Blount, Ajayi--These are guys that I think are probably the first tier of rb's in regards to confidence in starting over Ware

These are guys that I think are just like Ware in regards to startability week to week:  Forte, Latavious,  Miller , Ingram, Gore, Jeremy Hill, Hyde. 

For me personally---if I had to be specific in regards to confidence in week to week "startabilty"--I would have Ware somewhere towards the top three of the second tier of guys that I mentioned.    Obviously--this is just a personal take--but I do feel like creating a "list" is sometimes the easiest way to make or break a point.   For those people who are not high on Ware---where would you have him here?

Now that Rawls is healthy--we could probably include him on this list--even though he pretty much just came back.  For me personally--I'd have Rawls at the latter end of the first tier. 

 
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jvdesigns2002 said:
Just to try to kinda make things easier here--because I feel like the discussion has gotten a bit confrontational--why don't we try to create a list of Rb's that we'd confidently start over Ware week to week in ppr formats regardless of matchup:

David Johnson, Leveon Bell, EE, Lesean Mccoy, Melvin Gordon, Jordan Howard, D. Freeman, Blount, Ajayi--These are guys that I think are probably the first tier of rb's in regards to confidence in starting over Ware

These are guys that I think are just like Ware in regards to startability week to week:  Forte, Latavious,  Miller , Ingram, Gore, Jeremy Hill, Hyde. 

For me personally---if I had to be specific in regards to confidence in week to week "startabilty"--I would have Ware somewhere towards the top three of the second tier of guys that I mentioned.    Obviously--this is just a personal take--but I do feel like creating a "list" is sometimes the easiest way to make or break a point.   For those people who are not high on Ware---where would you have him here?
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:goodposting:

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
Just to try to kinda make things easier here--because I feel like the discussion has gotten a bit confrontational--why don't we try to create a list of Rb's that we'd confidently start over Ware week to week in ppr formats regardless of matchup:

David Johnson, Leveon Bell, EE, Lesean Mccoy, Melvin Gordon, Jordan Howard, D. Freeman, Blount, Ajayi--These are guys that I think are probably the first tier of rb's in regards to confidence in starting over Ware

These are guys that I think are just like Ware in regards to startability week to week:  Forte, Latavious,  Miller , Ingram, Gore, Jeremy Hill, Hyde. 

For me personally---if I had to be specific in regards to confidence in week to week "startabilty"--I would have Ware somewhere towards the top three of the second tier of guys that I mentioned.    Obviously--this is just a personal take--but I do feel like creating a "list" is sometimes the easiest way to make or break a point.   For those people who are not high on Ware---where would you have him here?

Now that Rawls is healthy--we could probably include him on this list--even though he pretty much just came back.  For me personally--I'd have Rawls at the latter end of the first tier. 
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Planning to start Rawls over Ware this week.  They both have good upside but I think Rawls floor is higher.

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
Just to try to kinda make things easier here--because I feel like the discussion has gotten a bit confrontational--why don't we try to create a list of Rb's that we'd confidently start over Ware week to week in ppr formats regardless of matchup:

David Johnson, Leveon Bell, EE, Lesean Mccoy, Melvin Gordon, Jordan Howard, D. Freeman, Blount, Ajayi--These are guys that I think are probably the first tier of rb's in regards to confidence in starting over Ware

These are guys that I think are just like Ware in regards to startability week to week: Forte, Latavious, Miller , Ingram, Gore, Jeremy Hill, Hyde.

For me personally---if I had to be specific in regards to confidence in week to week "startabilty"--I would have Ware somewhere towards the top three of the second tier of guys that I mentioned. Obviously--this is just a personal take--but I do feel like creating a "list" is sometimes the easiest way to make or break a point. For those people who are not high on Ware---where would you have him here?

Now that Rawls is healthy--we could probably include him on this list--even though he pretty much just came back. For me personally--I'd have Rawls at the latter end of the first tier.
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No way I start Blount vs. what may be the best run defense over the past several decades over Ware this week. Ajayi without Pouncey vs. ARI is in the same boat although he was super efficient vs. the aforementioned BAL last week. Lastly, DET is not a good match-up for Howard but I can't tell if it' a chicken or egg thing due to the competition they've faced. Ironically, the last RB to go over 100 yards vs. them was Howard all the way back in week 4. Since then, no RB has exceeded 73 yards vs. them on the ground. Howard is super streaky in the pass game but that is how he would buoy his floor.  Ultimately I'd sit all three of them for Ware purely based on the match-ups; I don't think they are absolutely match-up proof like DJ, Bell, EE and etc. 

Freeman's snaps have predictably dropped by 10-20% with Coleman back but the touches are still there. I like him over Ware because of game flow (ATL -6) and LA has been a sieve lately. I think it's close though.

So this week, I'd start Bell, EE, McCoy, Gordon and Freeman over Ware. I think Forte and Hill sneak up into the upper tier based on their match-ups as well but they have their own set of question marks (Jets suck, Hill has sucked).

Edit: This assumes PPR.

 
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SameSongNDance said:
No way I start Blount vs. what may be the best run defense over the past several decades over Ware this week. Ajayi without Pouncey vs. ARI is in the same boat although he was super efficient vs. the aforementioned BAL last week. Lastly, DET is not a good match-up for Howard but I can't tell if it' a chicken or egg thing due to the competition they've faced. Ironically, the last RB to go over 100 yards vs. them was Howard all the way back in week 4. Since then, no RB has exceeded 73 yards vs. them on the ground. Howard is super streaky in the pass game but that is how he would buoy his floor.  Ultimately I'd sit all three of them for Ware purely based on the match-ups; I don't think they are absolutely match-up proof like DJ, Bell, EE and etc. 

Freeman's snaps have predictably dropped by 10-20% with Coleman back but the touches are still there. I like him over Ware because of game flow (ATL -6) and LA has been a sieve lately. I think it's close though.

So this week, I'd start Bell, EE, McCoy, Gordon and Freeman over Ware. I think Forte and Hill sneak up into the upper tier based on their match-ups as well but they have their own set of question marks (Jets suck, Hill has sucked).

Edit: This assumes PPR.
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Solid post. Only remark that I would make is that my post was intended to be dissected in regards to general confidence in startability in regards to tiers at this point in the season. Yes- certain matchups can move guys up and down a few notches- so no argument there. 

 
Well folks, this is the "Money where your mouth is" moment of the season for Ware owners.  This is the game that you  end him for, have him for, and he must perform for you in.  A great night tonight punches the credentials for all his supporters.  A dud fans the flames for all the people saying he is average.  

It's prove it time, Mr. ware.  Are you up to the challenge?  Are you owners up to the challenge to start Him?  

 
Shutout said:
Well folks, this is the "Money where your mouth is" moment of the season for Ware owners.  This is the game that you  end him for, have him for, and he must perform for you in.  A great night tonight punches the credentials for all his supporters.  A dud fans the flames for all the people saying he is average.  

It's prove it time, Mr. ware.  Are you up to the challenge?  Are you owners up to the challenge to start Him?  
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He is in there in the two leagues I have him.  Hoping for a mix of last week's TD looks and the yardage we saw earlier in the year.

 
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