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[BusMan]

FWIW Staffers, DD,This league would be more interesting as actual FF. More interesting is kinda understating it...it'd be fascinating really. Borbely and TU are struggling right now. Neither has a bad team. So does Rudnicki trade someone to Borbely to help him out, who would that be? Does that weaken him at another position where Yudkin (who has alot of depth) has to trade him someone? It would be so interesting IMO to see how everyone reacts with 7 teams, to work with, instead of 1.Maybe something to try next year

I agree that making this a non best-ball league with trades would be interesting, Bri, but it would also devalue the draft. I think the exercise here was to give NFFC drafters a little taste of both what the staff and the MB at large were thinking in the drafting process. Personally, I love these draft-and-you're-done leagues---I need all the time I can muster to manage my main squads. I'll have to remember to be more active in the Mock Draft forum next spring--this stuff is fun.

 

[ceo3west]

FWIW Staffers, DD,This league would be more interesting as actual FF. More interesting is kinda understating it...it'd be fascinating really. Borbely and TU are struggling right now. Neither has a bad team. So does Rudnicki trade someone to Borbely to help him out, who would that be? Does that weaken him at another position where Yudkin (who has alot of depth) has to trade him someone? It would be so interesting IMO to see how everyone reacts with 7 teams, to work with, instead of 1.Maybe something to try next year

I agree that making this a non best-ball league with trades would be interesting, Bri, but it would also devalue the draft. I think the exercise here was to give NFFC drafters a little taste of both what the staff and the MB at large were thinking in the drafting process. Personally, I love these draft-and-you're-done leagues---I need all the time I can muster to manage my main squads. I'll have to remember to be more active in the Mock Draft forum next spring--this stuff is fun.

I agree it would devalue the draft. I like the fact that the draft means everything in this league. I was never a fan of the waiver process either, it takes no skill to pick someone up off the wire.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I think I was 4th this week 10-3

http://football34.myfantasyleague.com/2007...=77571&O=31

Pasquino's team clicked everywhere this week. Like previous years, I feel like the LT2 owner should get no 2nd round pick to try and make it more fair. WOW Is he just amazing for FF and in this format with so many Ws possible in one week he's even better! Gonna be tough for anyone to knock Aaron out of first. Busman's Manning brothers at QB is pretty sweet.

I need another good week next week. Hopefully I can crack the top 6, then it'd be 3 staffers 3 MBs in the top 6. I'm rooting for Upside. I'm adding the W and Ls in my head and....we need his record to start going the other way. Once I get to that 67 it's rough. His team is not bad, it's very possible he rattles off a few good weeks in a row. Let's start the chant going TU! TU! TU!

didn't we do 3RR in this league? not quite the same but it certainly is designed to hurt the team picking first more than a regular serpentine draft. Tomlinson definitely gave me a big edge to start out but I think I made the most out of a lot of my other picks as well.

FWIW Staffers, DD,

This league would be more interesting as actual FF. More interesting is kinda understating it...it'd be fascinating really. Borbely and TU are struggling right now. Neither has a bad team. So does Rudnicki trade someone to Borbely to help him out, who would that be? Does that weaken him at another position where Yudkin (who has alot of depth) has to trade him someone? It would be so interesting IMO to see how everyone reacts with 7 teams, to work with, instead of 1.

Maybe something to try next year

PASS. I love this style of league. Puts all the emphasis on the draft, where most leagues are won and lost anyway.

 

[Bri]

FWIW Staffers, DD,This league would be more interesting as actual FF. More interesting is kinda understating it...it'd be fascinating really. Borbely and TU are struggling right now. Neither has a bad team. So does Rudnicki trade someone to Borbely to help him out, who would that be? Does that weaken him at another position where Yudkin (who has alot of depth) has to trade him someone? It would be so interesting IMO to see how everyone reacts with 7 teams, to work with, instead of 1.Maybe something to try next year

I agree that making this a non best-ball league with trades would be interesting, Bri, but it would also devalue the draft. I think the exercise here was to give NFFC drafters a little taste of both what the staff and the MB at large were thinking in the drafting process. Personally, I love these draft-and-you're-done leagues---I need all the time I can muster to manage my main squads. I'll have to remember to be more active in the Mock Draft forum next spring--this stuff is fun.

No doubt it's fun and I realize it was an example for the folks playing in the NFFC. I suppose I poorly worded that. I suppose I'd be looking for a sister league, same teams but lets open up trades and WW.I think it'd be fascinating to see the trades and multiple teams managed.The WW- Suppose TU is the first WW pickup and some RB is the hot pickup of the week but he's loaded at RB. How does the group react to that? Pickup and trade the RB to a team that needs one sure but that would still leave TU needing some spark if he's first in the WW order and... well obviously that wouldn't be accomplished if the RB was traded away.We wouldn't just see single player values but also unit values. IE Team X might not have good enough RBs, team Y might appear to have a fine RB group.

 

[Bri]

Like previous years, I feel like the LT2 owner should get no 2nd round pick to try and make it more fair. WOW Is he just amazing for FF and in this format with so many Ws possible in one week he's even better! Gonna be tough for anyone to knock Aaron out of first.

didn't we do 3RR in this league? not quite the same but it certainly is designed to hurt the team picking first more than a regular serpentine draft. Tomlinson definitely gave me a big edge to start out but I think I made the most out of a lot of my other picks as well.

Yep, absolutely. All the more reason to point out how amazing Tomlinson is for FF when he(and the chargers oline) is on his game. You sure did have a nice draft and fielded a nice team, no doubt. I don't see anyone knocking you out of first, wasn't trying to minimize a fine draft but just point out how amazing Tomlinson was.

 

[BusMan]

...and Pasquino takes the lead.

 

[David Yudkin]

...and Pasquino takes the lead.

If Maroney ever starts doing anything, I will be in the hunt at the end of the season.

 

[Bri]

...and Pasquino takes the lead.

If Maroney ever starts doing anything, I will be in the hunt at the end of the season.

Looks like you took a good jump this week.Checking with gameday I was in 2nd for a long while Monday night. Seems like as Brett broke the Broncos back late, Gridiron and Chase hopped over me. Kudos to them. Helluva week for Soaring Eagle!

 

[BusMan]

A 2-11 week for my squad hurts, but I guess that is to be expected when your #1 pick goes down for the year. It was a nice ride with Ronnie Brown, but I'm not so sure I'm a year long competitor anymore at this point. I expect the slide to continue without a major step forward from several of my pieces. At least I'm only six games back of Pasquino.

 

[ceo3west]

A 2-11 week for my squad hurts, but I guess that is to be expected when your #1 pick goes down for the year. It was a nice ride with Ronnie Brown, but I'm not so sure I'm a year long competitor anymore at this point. I expect the slide to continue without a major step forward from several of my pieces. At least I'm only six games back of Pasquino.

No QB ended up costing me big this week. My Brady Quinn pick for week 8 didn't exactly pan out. Who would have thought - Derrick F'n Anderson.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Staff has the top-4 spots and 5 of the top-7....

 

[Bri]

A 2-11 week for my squad hurts, but I guess that is to be expected when your #1 pick goes down for the year. It was a nice ride with Ronnie Brown, but I'm not so sure I'm a year long competitor anymore at this point. I expect the slide to continue without a major step forward from several of my pieces. At least I'm only six games back of Pasquino.

says the guy who scored 151 points

 

[Bri]

Jeff Pasquino had a big week, the same week Aaron had an "off" week.

Apparently now he and Yudkin will do the 1st and 2nd dance

 

[Bri]

Staff has the top-4 spots and 5 of the top-7....

top 7 is split 4 and 3Clayton and I keep dancing with the 6th and 7th spotSoaring Eagle's on a tear lately and I wouldn't be surprised if he hopped over Clayton and I next week. I think (outside of Jeff) he's got the top score the last two weeks combined.

 

[Bri]

Great week by Chase and (again) Jeff P!

 

[Bri]

I think I have the most players that scored ST TDs that don't count

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

my team is fading since Jordan got hurt/lost his job.

 

[BusMan]

my team is fading since Jordan got hurt/lost his job.

Ditto that for me and Ronnie Brown. Pasquino is pulling a Secretariat on us.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

my team is fading since Jordan got hurt/lost his job.

Ditto that for me and Ronnie Brown. Pasquino is pulling a Secretariat on us.

17 games is a nice lead. I guess that'll happen when you go 25-1 the last two weeks.

I hope it holds up.

 

[ceo3west]

my team is fading since Jordan got hurt/lost his job.

My team is finished--Larry JohnsonSammy MorrisJavon WalkerSantana MossCharles JohnsonMoss & Johnson have not been the same since their injuries. The LJ loss kills any hope I had.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

staff have the top 4 teams and 5 of the top-6.

 

[David Yudkin]

Good news: I shaved 2.5 games off of the Jeff's lead. Bad news: now I am only 14.5 games behind.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

my team is fading since Jordan got hurt/lost his job.

My team is finished--Larry JohnsonSammy MorrisJavon WalkerSantana MossCharles JohnsonMoss & Johnson have not been the same since their injuries. The LJ loss kills any hope I had.

My team is getting killed by (lack of) QB play primarily. Leinart, A. Smith, and Culpepper is not a winning combination. Also doesn't help that I'm only getting production from 4 WR's and 2 of them have been hurt. My RB corps is solid with White, Watson, C. Brown, MJD, Chatman, and MoMo all contributing. If Frank Gore hadn't been an uberbust I'd be even better.In the end, poor QB play will be my #1 downfall followed closely by a WR corps that was not nearly deep enough.

 

[BusMan]

staff have the top 4 teams and 5 of the top-6.

...and I'm drowning. Soon it'll be 6 of 6.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

staff have the top 4 teams and 5 of the top-6.

...and I'm drowning. Soon it'll be 6 of 6.

wow, looks like the MB team needs new blood.

 

[BusMan]

staff have the top 4 teams and 5 of the top-6.

...and I'm drowning. Soon it'll be 6 of 6.

wow, looks like the MB team needs new blood.

Not really sure how new blood would help, considering this was a draft and you're done league. Unless you mean we shouldn't be invited back next year. With that, I'll certainly agree.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

staff have the top 4 teams and 5 of the top-6. :(

...and I'm drowning. Soon it'll be 6 of 6.

wow, looks like the MB team needs new blood.

Not really sure how new blood would help, considering this was a draft and you're done league. Unless you mean we shouldn't be invited back next year. With that, I'll certainly agree.

Don't be so hard on yourself - you were one of the better representers.

 

[Bri]

140 is a solid week in this, 140 is usually good, 140 stunk this week

 

[BusMan]

staff have the top 4 teams and 5 of the top-6.

...and I'm drowning. Soon it'll be 6 of 6.

wow, looks like the MB team needs new blood.

Not really sure how new blood would help, considering this was a draft and you're done league. Unless you mean we shouldn't be invited back next year. With that, I'll certainly agree.

Don't be so hard on yourself - you were one of the better representers.

Thanks. But my belief that any thoughtful committed MBer can compete with Staff has been shot down.

 

[Bri]

Not really sure how new blood would help, considering this was a draft and you're done league. Unless you mean we shouldn't be invited back next year. With that, I'll certainly agree.

I think the weight of many positions(QBs and DEF and WRs and NOT RBs) was a smidge different here wherein I(or we) should have drafted a little differently. A few things like that make me think it might be a good idea to have some repeaters or maybe someone like Bass thatplays in the NFFC.Again though, I did not think Jeff had a terrific team. He didn't just nail a few picks well but picks I wouldn't have even made. I would have never expected Shaun McDonald to do as well. There's a few picks I just feel like "hats off to Jeff". I was wrong about his team.Two picks for which I thought I had a real good theory(and may still but just not those two WRs) was to take two stinky starting WRs figuring (survivor) one will do OK each week. IIRC a couple guys thought it might be a good idea chatting during the draft too. Well, it flopped badly and I couldn't have been more wrong as the Jags almost don't pass. Jacobs has hurt me and Steve Smith really has. I'm not sure you can lose(well kinda) two quality players that many games against savvy FF vets with no WW pickups to help. A couple teams I noticed really got hurt with some key injuries. While that's part of FF, so is the WW so I feel somewhat stuck in survivor leagues. I should have drafted less injury prone players or kept their injury history in mind...there's fault here for me somewhere just need to identify it. I sure didn't think Carr would be great for Andre's numbers and bad for Smith's. Yet, were I to do this again I'd think about player's injury histories a bit more. Like everything in FF, with injuries you're stuck thinking you can and can't predict them occuring.

 

[Bri]

Thanks. But my belief that any thoughtful committed MBer can compete with Staff has been shot down.

Cmon now it is a survivor league. Cheer up, it was/is all for fun, which it's been right?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Again though, I did not think Jeff had a terrific team. He didn't just nail a few picks well but picks I wouldn't have even made. I would have never expected Shaun McDonald to do as well. There's a few picks I just feel like "hats off to Jeff".

Well, - McDonald in Round 24 (of 24) is probably the SOD with how he's contributed. Lance Moore in Round 18 is pretty good for me too, which is far better than my strikeouts at RB depth (Michael Robinson, Cecil Sapp.... ) Things happen.

Two picks for which I thought I had a real good theory(and may still but just not those two WRs) was to take two stinky starting WRs figuring (survivor) one will do OK each week. IIRC a couple guys thought it might be a good idea chatting during the draft too. Well, it flopped badly and I couldn't have been more wrong as the Jags almost don't pass.

I'll be writing an article on this for July about Survivor drafts - specificially on the WRs. I've learned quite a bit over the past 2 years doing these, and one thing is for certain - your WRs can make or break you. Getting some middle of the road WRs that can spike for value now and then like Drew Carter can really pay off.

 

[BusMan]

Thanks. But my belief that any thoughtful committed MBer can compete with Staff has been shot down.

Cmon now it is a survivor league. Cheer up, it was/is all for fun, which it's been right?

I'm not actually down about this. I'm just a bit disappointed as I was right in the running 3 or 4 weeks ago.

 

[David Yudkin]

Best picks 11th round or later IMO (at least they worked out well) . . .

A-Rud

Owen Daniels (12.01)

Chase

Roddy White (13.13)

Jeff P

Bobby Engram (14.04)

Heath Miller (12.04)

Shaun McDonald (24.04)

GridIron Menace

Ike Hilliard (24.07)

Carlton

Dwayne Bowe (13.07)

Nate Burleson (24.08)

Warehouse Nasty

Kenny Watson (20.09)

Antwaan Randle El (14.09)

David Yudkin

Kevin Walter (18.12)

Lions DEF (20.12)

Busman

Brandon Stokley (22.13)

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

staff have the top 4 teams and 5 of the top-6.

...and I'm drowning. Soon it'll be 6 of 6.

wow, looks like the MB team needs new blood.

Not really sure how new blood would help, considering this was a draft and you're done league. Unless you mean we shouldn't be invited back next year. With that, I'll certainly agree.

Don't be so hard on yourself - you were one of the better representers.

Thanks. But my belief that any thoughtful committed MBer can compete with Staff has been shot down.

not true, even if the Staff wins this year, that makes the count 2-2. Plus the Staff keeps grabbing some of the best talent here.This contest did look stacked agains the MB from the beginning though

 

[Bri]

This contest did look stacked agains the MB from the beginning though

OK fine I'll biteHow so?

 

[Bri]

Best picks 11th round or later IMO (at least they worked out well) . . .A-RudOwen Daniels (12.01)ChaseRoddy White (13.13)Jeff PBobby Engram (14.04)Heath Miller (12.04)Shaun McDonald (24.04)GridIron MenaceIke Hilliard (24.07)CarltonDwayne Bowe (13.07)Nate Burleson (24.08)Warehouse NastyKenny Watson (20.09)Antwaan Randle El (14.09)David YudkinKevin Walter (18.12)Lions DEF (20.12)BusmanBrandon Stokley (22.13)

Patten worked out pretty good (in this format) for a 22nd rounder with 3 weeks 18-20 points.I feel bad for Charles Sharon and David Boston type picks as I blame the coaches for misleading us on a few select ones like that. It's not giving away a gameplan so I never quite understood laying it on so thick. Praising hardwork in TC, I can see that but it was much more with them.Aside from Ks and Ds, starting at like round 15 there's maybe 2 picks a round that ...well many aren't very good. I suppose that's to be expected but I still find that interesting and think there's something to think about and digest in there.

 

[Bri]

Pasquino is KICKING ### - staff and board

Good call

 

[Bri]

When's this contest end? 14? 17?

Very interesting to read back on some commentary. Playing in a couple survivor leagues here ya know there's a few that are so sure they know this player is or isn't a good pick in a survivor format and....so adamant so confident borderline cocky with some statements but ...well they're interesting now.

Pretty sure I had the most contested pick with Brandon Jacobs, feel compelled to revisit that pick. Getting hurt out of the gates was tough to swallow but then he looked like the back I envisioned with 5 solid weeks, but now he's hurt again. It's a bad choice but not of which RB to grab there, in hindsight, but which position. Still feel like I really liked the guy's prospects so....I'd probably do it again. I know it's not the easiest to understand but look at Chase with Steven Jackson. Chase's teams upswing recently is impressive. (BTW I goofed adding up numbers or something because I didn't think it was mathematically possible for him to climb that high that fast) Nonetheless I absolutely would have predicted great things for Steven. Obviously I'd have been wrong until recently. I think alot of people were probably wrong about Steven too. Not too too different yardage and useful FF games compared to Jacobs though thus far.

Looking past Jacobs in the 2nd, McGahee seems the wisest pick or the pick I should have made there for a RB. There's the obvious Adrian Peterson. What was AD's ADP back then? I don't recall but I'm not sure I'd have taken a rook as my main RB. I adamantly didn't want 3rd down back/backup MJD and I guess I called that right to a degree. Cedric Benson was supposedly someone I should have taken but I didn't want him, plenty of threads of unhappy Benson owners here. Edge was debateable then but he'd have been a better pick. Caddy? no. Ronnie Brown? no. Ahman? no Deuce? no. 18 picks later, Clinton Portis was an excellent pick by Borbely but I incorrectly thought Betts would have...well some impact this year following last year's impressive performance. I guess my point is I was right in thinking there wasn't a whole lot there but my reaction to grab Jacobs is still very questionable. It looks like I should have gone WR WR.

Most of the people barking at my pick stating who would be a better RB to pick, were wrong about which RB to take too. I don't expect too too many "told ya so" replies unless they don't remember which player they suggested, since the 2nd round wasn't too good for RBs. (I pointed out plenty above)It's interesting though to see those 2nd round RBs and try to learn from this for future drafts. For the future, I guess there's not much choice but to lean toward the WR WR there.

 

[ceo3west]

I know I'll probably get the , but Pasquino did admit that this was like his 27th draft at the time. Lesson #1 - whoever drafts with these guys next year needs to start drafting in April.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I know I'll probably get the , but Pasquino did admit that this was like his 27th draft at the time. Lesson #1 - whoever drafts with these guys next year needs to start drafting in April.

WSLs are in February.

 

[BassNBrew]

staff have the top 4 teams and 5 of the top-6.

...and I'm drowning. Soon it'll be 6 of 6.

wow, looks like the MB team needs new blood.

Not really sure how new blood would help, considering this was a draft and you're done league. Unless you mean we shouldn't be invited back next year. With that, I'll certainly agree.

Don't be so hard on yourself - you were one of the better representers.

Thanks. But my belief that any thoughtful committed MBer can compete with Staff has been shot down.

Well this hobby is 80% luck. Injuries have been devastating this year.That said, knowing this format inside and out sure helps with the other 20%. Guys like Chase and Arod have seen this format play out from draft to weekly results on numerous occasions. Got to think that helps with roster allocation and prioritizing position importance. Interestingly enough, the staff holds 5 of the top 6 spots in the WCCOFF version of this format. Dodds is the the only staff not in the top 6 but I'm sure that's injury related. The mb guys there had vast WCCOFF experience but minimal best ball experience.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Well this hobby is 80% luck. Injuries have been devastating this year.

I really don't think it is that high - far too many "repeat winners" or "repeat playoff owners" to have it that high.

 

[Bri]

BTW I still don't think this is over. Scroll back a page or two and see how quick the standings change. I sure see a staffer in position 1, likely Jeff, but the top 6....that's not done yet

 

[ceo3west]

Well this hobby is 80% luck. Injuries have been devastating this year.

I really don't think it is that high - far too many "repeat winners" or "repeat playoff owners" to have it that high.

I agree, I don't think luck is 80%. But one thing that did come into play, other than a few stupid picks here and there, was the fact that this was my first best ball draft. Having been through this once now, I would certainly take a different approach next time.

 

[Bri]

Good week for MB in week 12, need another

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I know I'll probably get the , but Pasquino did admit that this was like his 27th draft at the time. Lesson #1 - whoever drafts with these guys next year needs to start drafting in April.

WSLs are in February. :(

Im thinking week between championship game and SB. So January I believe.Oh and I noticed your still actually alive in two of your drafts still, congrats to you. Ruds and Yudkin are alive in one league each still. I think a couple other staffers tried this year and are out as well.

 

[Bri]

KUDOS JEFF PASQUINO!

Staff 5 of top 7, top half. KUDOS

I was smack in the middle.

 

[Bri]

spinoff thread here

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=369386

If anyone wants to discuss improving some late picks in future survivor drafts.

 

[Bri]

David Yudkin,

Very good job here, excellent in that other league, Anarchy 4. Kudos!