Stallworth to the Patriots (1 Viewer)

[Rabbid Patriot Homer]

Check out the contract terms...no exposure for the Pats in year one. They basically get a trial run and than can decide if they want to commit long term.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615

I am now in SUPPORT of this signing.

 

[tombonneau]

Check out the contract terms...no exposure for the Pats in year one. They basically get a trial run and than can decide if they want to commit long term.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615

Exactly. I'm not a huge Stallworth fan, but am a big fan of the contract. Pats risk on his is $3.6M in 07 money. Not bad at all.Absolute worst case is he fails a urine test in August. Even then, I'd imagine there is language in the contract forfeiting money (if the substance abuse program info is legit.)

I'm just hoping that between Stallworth & CJax the Pats will always have at least one speedster healthy to spread the field.

Not expecting huge things from the guy, in fact, am only banking on maybe 10-11 games. As long as he is healthy for the postseason.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Did everyone read the same article I did? Its a 1 year deal for $3.6 million. The big bonuses dont kick in until year 2. Stallworth either lives up to the Patriots expectations on the field and off it or he is gone after 1 year and the Pats can look for someone else (Jackson should be fully recovered by then as well).

I live in Philly and watched Stallworth all last year. He missed 4 games early but didnt miss a game after week 7 and was a big playoff contributor with a TD in each game. He played really well for Philly and was a good citizen for them. He was well liked by all accounts.

I think his injury history is more anectdotal than people want to admit as he has played in 44 of 48 games in the last 3 years. He has never had a 1,000 yard season but has been a #2 guy. He is certainly not a true #1, he is the speed option. But the Patriots dont operate an offense that relies on a #1 receiver.

Brady throws a great deep ball but that part of his game was missing last year because he didnt have a deep receiver. Caldwell, Gaffney and Brown are all possession receivers. Gaffney also dropped a couple of clear TD's on deep passes. The year before last, Brady probably had his best year with the deep ball throwing to Tim Dwight, Andre Davis, David Givens and others on the deep ball. Its definitely a part of his arsenal that will come back into play with Stallworth.

I like this signing. It is kind of an all or nothing deal though. It is good at 1 year and $3.6 million and averaging $5 million over 6 years isnt bad either. What the Patriots have is a HUGE decision NEXT offseason. If they pick up the 2nd year bonuses on Stallworth, he really has to play out the full 6 years for it to be a good deal.

 

[tombonneau]

Did everyone read the same article I did? Its a 1 year deal for $3.6 million. The big bonuses done kick in until year 2. Stallworth either lives up to the Patriots expectations on the field and off it or he is gone after 1 year and the Pats can look for someone else (Jackson should be fully recovered by then as well).I live in Philly and watched Stallworth all last year. He missed 4 games early but didnt miss a game after week 7 and was a big playoff contributor with a TD in each game. He played really well for Philly and was a good citizen for them. He was well liked by all accounts.I think his injury history is more anectdotal than people want to admit as he has played in 44 of 48 games in the last 3 years. He has never had a 1,000 yard season but has been a #2 guy. He is certainly not a true #1, he is the speed option. But the Patriots dont operate an offense that relies on a #1 receiver.Brady throws a great deep ball but that part of his game was missing last year because he didnt have a deep receiver. Caldwell, Gaffney and Brown are all possession receivers. Gaffney also dropped a couple of clear TD's on deep passes. The year before last, Brady probably had his best year with the deep ball throwing to Tim Dwight, Andre Davis, David Givens and others on the deep ball. Its definitely a part of his arsenal that will come back into play with Stallworth.I like this signing. It is kind of an all or nothing deal though. It is good at 1 year and $3.6 million and averaging $5 million over 6 years isnt bad either. What the Patriots have is a HUGE decision NEXT offseason. If they pick up the 2nd year bonuses on Stallworth, he really has to play out the full 6 years for it to be a good deal.

Good analysis. You summarized what my brain was thinking.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Did everyone read the same article I did? Its a 1 year deal for $3.6 million. The big bonuses dont kick in until year 2. Stallworth either lives up to the Patriots expectations on the field and off it or he is gone after 1 year and the Pats can look for someone else (Jackson should be fully recovered by then as well).I live in Philly and watched Stallworth all last year. He missed 4 games early but didnt miss a game after week 7 and was a big playoff contributor with a TD in each game. He played really well for Philly and was a good citizen for them. He was well liked by all accounts.I think his injury history is more anectdotal than people want to admit as he has played in 44 of 48 games in the last 3 years. He has never had a 1,000 yard season but has been a #2 guy. He is certainly not a true #1, he is the speed option. But the Patriots dont operate an offense that relies on a #1 receiver.Brady throws a great deep ball but that part of his game was missing last year because he didnt have a deep receiver. Caldwell, Gaffney and Brown are all possession receivers. Gaffney also dropped a couple of clear TD's on deep passes. The year before last, Brady probably had his best year with the deep ball throwing to Tim Dwight, Andre Davis, David Givens and others on the deep ball. Its definitely a part of his arsenal that will come back into play with Stallworth.I like this signing. It is kind of an all or nothing deal though. It is good at 1 year and $3.6 million and averaging $5 million over 6 years isnt bad either. What the Patriots have is a HUGE decision NEXT offseason. If they pick up the 2nd year bonuses on Stallworth, he really has to play out the full 6 years for it to be a good deal.

This is simply a one year dealwhich will either end, or be re-negotiated after the 2007 season... imo.

 

[Balco]

That clears it up. Don't know where I read it was 12 mil in guaranteed $$$. I had been reading reports that Stallworth was fielding 1 year offers, so the signing did seem a bit odd. 1 year 3.6 mil, super low risk for the Pats, especially since they had the cap room to do it.

 

[Boston]

Did everyone read the same article I did? Its a 1 year deal for $3.6 million. The big bonuses dont kick in until year 2. Stallworth either lives up to the Patriots expectations on the field and off it or he is gone after 1 year and the Pats can look for someone else (Jackson should be fully recovered by then as well).I live in Philly and watched Stallworth all last year. He missed 4 games early but didnt miss a game after week 7 and was a big playoff contributor with a TD in each game. He played really well for Philly and was a good citizen for them. He was well liked by all accounts.I think his injury history is more anectdotal than people want to admit as he has played in 44 of 48 games in the last 3 years. He has never had a 1,000 yard season but has been a #2 guy. He is certainly not a true #1, he is the speed option. But the Patriots dont operate an offense that relies on a #1 receiver.Brady throws a great deep ball but that part of his game was missing last year because he didnt have a deep receiver. Caldwell, Gaffney and Brown are all possession receivers. Gaffney also dropped a couple of clear TD's on deep passes. The year before last, Brady probably had his best year with the deep ball throwing to Tim Dwight, Andre Davis, David Givens and others on the deep ball. Its definitely a part of his arsenal that will come back into play with Stallworth.I like this signing. It is kind of an all or nothing deal though. It is good at 1 year and $3.6 million and averaging $5 million over 6 years isnt bad either. What the Patriots have is a HUGE decision NEXT offseason. If they pick up the 2nd year bonuses on Stallworth, he really has to play out the full 6 years for it to be a good deal.

Exactly. This also gives the Pats some breathing room to find out if Jackson can play.

 

[Balco]

Did everyone read the same article I did? Its a 1 year deal for $3.6 million. The big bonuses dont kick in until year 2. Stallworth either lives up to the Patriots expectations on the field and off it or he is gone after 1 year and the Pats can look for someone else (Jackson should be fully recovered by then as well).I live in Philly and watched Stallworth all last year. He missed 4 games early but didnt miss a game after week 7 and was a big playoff contributor with a TD in each game. He played really well for Philly and was a good citizen for them. He was well liked by all accounts.I think his injury history is more anectdotal than people want to admit as he has played in 44 of 48 games in the last 3 years. He has never had a 1,000 yard season but has been a #2 guy. He is certainly not a true #1, he is the speed option. But the Patriots dont operate an offense that relies on a #1 receiver.Brady throws a great deep ball but that part of his game was missing last year because he didnt have a deep receiver. Caldwell, Gaffney and Brown are all possession receivers. Gaffney also dropped a couple of clear TD's on deep passes. The year before last, Brady probably had his best year with the deep ball throwing to Tim Dwight, Andre Davis, David Givens and others on the deep ball. Its definitely a part of his arsenal that will come back into play with Stallworth.I like this signing. It is kind of an all or nothing deal though. It is good at 1 year and $3.6 million and averaging $5 million over 6 years isnt bad either. What the Patriots have is a HUGE decision NEXT offseason. If they pick up the 2nd year bonuses on Stallworth, he really has to play out the full 6 years for it to be a good deal.

Exactly. This also gives the Pats some breathing room to find out if Jackson can play.

Do you think Jacson will even come back next season? He hurt his knee late, late in the year. Even if he does come back, he likely won't be 100 %. Those injuries usually take 2 years to come back from, especially if you are a skill player.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Check out the contract terms...no exposure for the Pats in year one. They basically get a trial run and than can decide if they want to commit long term.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615

This makes it a good signing for NE.BTW, you guys are all missing the boat. The biggest fantasy winner out of all of this is Tom Brady

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Damn, those Colts sure do have the Patriots feathers ruffled.

You said it JohnnyU...the Pats took that loss personally. They are really getting themselves set up to win not just another SB...but maybe 2-3 more in the next 4-5 years. I don't see how the Pats are not the early line favorite to win the SB. The allready had a dynast working...maybe they want to have the best run ever. If they won 2 more SB in the 2000s...5 in a decade maybe. Niners won 5 in 13 years.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Did everyone read the same article I did? Its a 1 year deal for $3.6 million. The big bonuses dont kick in until year 2. Stallworth either lives up to the Patriots expectations on the field and off it or he is gone after 1 year and the Pats can look for someone else (Jackson should be fully recovered by then as well).I live in Philly and watched Stallworth all last year. He missed 4 games early but didnt miss a game after week 7 and was a big playoff contributor with a TD in each game. He played really well for Philly and was a good citizen for them. He was well liked by all accounts.I think his injury history is more anectdotal than people want to admit as he has played in 44 of 48 games in the last 3 years. He has never had a 1,000 yard season but has been a #2 guy. He is certainly not a true #1, he is the speed option. But the Patriots dont operate an offense that relies on a #1 receiver.Brady throws a great deep ball but that part of his game was missing last year because he didnt have a deep receiver. Caldwell, Gaffney and Brown are all possession receivers. Gaffney also dropped a couple of clear TD's on deep passes. The year before last, Brady probably had his best year with the deep ball throwing to Tim Dwight, Andre Davis, David Givens and others on the deep ball. Its definitely a part of his arsenal that will come back into play with Stallworth.I like this signing. It is kind of an all or nothing deal though. It is good at 1 year and $3.6 million and averaging $5 million over 6 years isnt bad either. What the Patriots have is a HUGE decision NEXT offseason. If they pick up the 2nd year bonuses on Stallworth, he really has to play out the full 6 years for it to be a good deal.

Exactly They can dump him in the off season if something better comes along. Pats pulling the strings again.

 

[Boston]

Did everyone read the same article I did? Its a 1 year deal for $3.6 million. The big bonuses dont kick in until year 2. Stallworth either lives up to the Patriots expectations on the field and off it or he is gone after 1 year and the Pats can look for someone else (Jackson should be fully recovered by then as well).I live in Philly and watched Stallworth all last year. He missed 4 games early but didnt miss a game after week 7 and was a big playoff contributor with a TD in each game. He played really well for Philly and was a good citizen for them. He was well liked by all accounts.I think his injury history is more anectdotal than people want to admit as he has played in 44 of 48 games in the last 3 years. He has never had a 1,000 yard season but has been a #2 guy. He is certainly not a true #1, he is the speed option. But the Patriots dont operate an offense that relies on a #1 receiver.Brady throws a great deep ball but that part of his game was missing last year because he didnt have a deep receiver. Caldwell, Gaffney and Brown are all possession receivers. Gaffney also dropped a couple of clear TD's on deep passes. The year before last, Brady probably had his best year with the deep ball throwing to Tim Dwight, Andre Davis, David Givens and others on the deep ball. Its definitely a part of his arsenal that will come back into play with Stallworth.I like this signing. It is kind of an all or nothing deal though. It is good at 1 year and $3.6 million and averaging $5 million over 6 years isnt bad either. What the Patriots have is a HUGE decision NEXT offseason. If they pick up the 2nd year bonuses on Stallworth, he really has to play out the full 6 years for it to be a good deal.

Exactly. This also gives the Pats some breathing room to find out if Jackson can play.

Do you think Jacson will even come back next season? He hurt his knee late, late in the year. Even if he does come back, he likely won't be 100 %. Those injuries usually take 2 years to come back from, especially if you are a skill player.

In all honesty I have no idea what his deal is. There were rumors of nagging injuries, not being able to pick up the offense and maturity issues prior to this injury. Since it's the Pats we'll probably never know the true scoop but my guess is it's a combo of all three issues. I'm not going to write him off but anything they get from him in 2007 I'll consider a bonus.

 

[Workhorse]

Did everyone read the same article I did? Its a 1 year deal for $3.6 million. The big bonuses dont kick in until year 2. Stallworth either lives up to the Patriots expectations on the field and off it or he is gone after 1 year and the Pats can look for someone else (Jackson should be fully recovered by then as well).I live in Philly and watched Stallworth all last year. He missed 4 games early but didnt miss a game after week 7 and was a big playoff contributor with a TD in each game. He played really well for Philly and was a good citizen for them. He was well liked by all accounts.I think his injury history is more anectdotal than people want to admit as he has played in 44 of 48 games in the last 3 years. He has never had a 1,000 yard season but has been a #2 guy. He is certainly not a true #1, he is the speed option. But the Patriots dont operate an offense that relies on a #1 receiver.Brady throws a great deep ball but that part of his game was missing last year because he didnt have a deep receiver. Caldwell, Gaffney and Brown are all possession receivers. Gaffney also dropped a couple of clear TD's on deep passes. The year before last, Brady probably had his best year with the deep ball throwing to Tim Dwight, Andre Davis, David Givens and others on the deep ball. Its definitely a part of his arsenal that will come back into play with Stallworth.I like this signing. It is kind of an all or nothing deal though. It is good at 1 year and $3.6 million and averaging $5 million over 6 years isnt bad either. What the Patriots have is a HUGE decision NEXT offseason. If they pick up the 2nd year bonuses on Stallworth, he really has to play out the full 6 years for it to be a good deal.

Exactly They can dump him in the off season if something better comes along. Pats pulling the strings again.

Agreed. The Pats worked over Rosenhaus on this deal for sure. Stallworth is in the ultimate "put up or shut up" season for 2007. If he's a bust, no big loss. No exposure for the Pats and their cap going forward. If he's great? You still have his rights and can keep him at a reasonable rate for a #1 reciever.I LOVE this deal for the Patriots. Not only because it makes fiscal sense, but it drastically improves the Welker acquisition - He's going to be a tough cover when the opposing team's #1 db is forced to cover Stallworth all over the field.What an excellent offseason for the Pats. I'm very impressed. And they might not be done just yet -- With this signing, the Pats STILL have over $8 million in cap space for next season. They could easily add Edgerton Hartwell and have enough left over to sign their draft picks.

 

[Biabreakable]

Check out the contract terms...no exposure for the Pats in year one. They basically get a trial run and than can decide if they want to commit long term.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615

This makes it a good signing for NE.BTW, you guys are all missing the boat. The biggest fantasy winner out of all of this is Tom Brady

Stallworth is certainly a weapon that Brady will take advantage of. The additions of Stallworth and Welker are very nice weapons for Brady to work with in addition to Watson Gaffney and Caldwell from last year. Jackson if healthy will be a bonus. This probobly will be the best group of recievers that Brady has had to work with in his career.

 

[Workhorse]

Check out the contract terms...no exposure for the Pats in year one. They basically get a trial run and than can decide if they want to commit long term.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615

This makes it a good signing for NE.BTW, you guys are all missing the boat. The biggest fantasy winner out of all of this is Tom Brady

Stallworth is certainly a weapon that Brady will take advantage of. The additions of Stallworth and Welker are very nice weapons for Brady to work with in addition to Watson Gaffney and Caldwell from last year. Jackson if healthy will be a bonus. This probobly will be the best group of recievers that Brady has had to work with in his career.

If the Pats put Welker, Caldwell and Stallworth in a 3 WR set with Watson at TE and Maroney in the backfield? That's a TON of weapons for a guy like Brady who can rifle through progressions. I've got to think this puts Brady in the top 5 fantasy QBs for the upcoming season, no?

 

[Biabreakable]

Check out the contract terms...no exposure for the Pats in year one. They basically get a trial run and than can decide if they want to commit long term.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615

This makes it a good signing for NE.BTW, you guys are all missing the boat. The biggest fantasy winner out of all of this is Tom Brady

Stallworth is certainly a weapon that Brady will take advantage of. The additions of Stallworth and Welker are very nice weapons for Brady to work with in addition to Watson Gaffney and Caldwell from last year. Jackson if healthy will be a bonus. This probobly will be the best group of recievers that Brady has had to work with in his career.

If the Pats put Welker, Caldwell and Stallworth in a 3 WR set with Watson at TE and Maroney in the backfield? That's a TON of weapons for a guy like Brady who can rifle through progressions. I've got to think this puts Brady in the top 5 fantasy QBs for the upcoming season, no?

I consider top 5 to be a lock. Brady may break 30TD passes with this group and can compete with Peyton for QB1.ETA- Maroney has not proven he can carry the ball over 300 times in a season yet. I think he will be good enough to keep defenses honest but I expect the pass attempts by the Patriots to still be very high.

Maroney and Sammy Morris are decent options in the passing game as well that can be effective on screens and as check down recievers. The Patriots have a much better group for 5 WR formations they will use at times as well.

 

[Serenity Now]

Brady always had bad receivers to throw to , that s why he spreads the ball around so much .I mean c mon besides maybe deion Branch what has Brady been throwing the ball to lately ( Troy Brown , David Patten , David Givens he died down after he signed with Tenessee Brady made him a better reciever then he really his ) .So now with a real #1 receiver on his team both Stallworth and Brady will benefit .

I think you'll find that Givens 'died down' because he was out with injury last year.

 

[tick dog]

Check out the contract terms...no exposure for the Pats in year one. They basically get a trial run and than can decide if they want to commit long term.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615

anyone who thinks this is a bad signing should read the terms of the deal. very little risk, high reward for the pats.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Check out the contract terms...no exposure for the Pats in year one. They basically get a trial run and than can decide if they want to commit long term.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2794615

This makes it a good signing for NE.BTW, you guys are all missing the boat. The biggest fantasy winner out of all of this is Tom Brady

Stallworth is certainly a weapon that Brady will take advantage of. The additions of Stallworth and Welker are very nice weapons for Brady to work with in addition to Watson Gaffney and Caldwell from last year. Jackson if healthy will be a bonus. This probobly will be the best group of recievers that Brady has had to work with in his career.

If the Pats put Welker, Caldwell and Stallworth in a 3 WR set with Watson at TE and Maroney in the backfield? That's a TON of weapons for a guy like Brady who can rifle through progressions. I've got to think this puts Brady in the top 5 fantasy QBs for the upcoming season, no?

I consider top 5 to be a lock. Brady may break 30TD passes with this group and can compete with Peyton for QB1.ETA- Maroney has not proven he can carry the ball over 300 times in a season yet. I think he will be good enough to keep defenses honest but I expect the pass attempts by the Patriots to still be very high.

Maroney and Sammy Morris are decent options in the passing game as well that can be effective on screens and as check down recievers. The Patriots have a much better group for 5 WR formations they will use at times as well.

Brady will do his usual 3,500-3,800 yds and 24-28 TD...I don't think these signings will enhance his numbers...but they will simply allow him to keep his numbers that he usually produces. NE is a rough place to throw the ball late in the season. Not many cold weather QBs routinely make the top5...doesn't happen often. I like Brady for top10 a lot better than top5.

 

[cstu]

Did everyone read the same article I did? Its a 1 year deal for $3.6 million. The big bonuses done kick in until year 2. Stallworth either lives up to the Patriots expectations on the field and off it or he is gone after 1 year and the Pats can look for someone else (Jackson should be fully recovered by then as well).I live in Philly and watched Stallworth all last year. He missed 4 games early but didnt miss a game after week 7 and was a big playoff contributor with a TD in each game. He played really well for Philly and was a good citizen for them. He was well liked by all accounts.I think his injury history is more anectdotal than people want to admit as he has played in 44 of 48 games in the last 3 years. He has never had a 1,000 yard season but has been a #2 guy. He is certainly not a true #1, he is the speed option. But the Patriots dont operate an offense that relies on a #1 receiver.Brady throws a great deep ball but that part of his game was missing last year because he didnt have a deep receiver. Caldwell, Gaffney and Brown are all possession receivers. Gaffney also dropped a couple of clear TD's on deep passes. The year before last, Brady probably had his best year with the deep ball throwing to Tim Dwight, Andre Davis, David Givens and others on the deep ball. Its definitely a part of his arsenal that will come back into play with Stallworth.I like this signing. It is kind of an all or nothing deal though. It is good at 1 year and $3.6 million and averaging $5 million over 6 years isnt bad either. What the Patriots have is a HUGE decision NEXT offseason. If they pick up the 2nd year bonuses on Stallworth, he really has to play out the full 6 years for it to be a good deal.

Good analysis. You summarized what my brain was thinking.

Seems like a 1 year try out deal for Chad Jackson to get healthy and find out if he'll develop. It could be that CJax is a bust and they end up favoring Stallworth enough to keep him around. I don't think it's a bad signing at all.

 

[bostonfred]

I agree that Brady should do well, but the big thing for me is that Maroney should have a lot more room to run this year. People were hitting him two yards behind the line of scrimmage last year because he couldn't block as well as Dillon and teams didn't have to worry about the Pats throwing deep when he was in there. This year, the Pats have better receiving options outside, should be able to get the quick passing game working much better, and have a deep threat. The Pats can now have any five of Stallworth, Welker, Caldwell, Gaffney, Watson/Brady/Thomas, and Maroney on the field at any given time, which means teams will have to respect the full width and depth of the field. That's huge for Maroney.

 

[JohnnyU]

Damn, those Colts sure do have the Patriots feathers ruffled.

You said it JohnnyU...the Pats took that loss personally. They are really getting themselves set up to win not just another SB...but maybe 2-3 more in the next 4-5 years. I don't see how the Pats are not the early line favorite to win the SB. The allready had a dynast working...maybe they want to have the best run ever. If they won 2 more SB in the 2000s...5 in a decade maybe. Niners won 5 in 13 years.

I agree the Patriots took the loss personally, but I disagree about the Pats winning 2 or 3 more Super Bowls in the 2000s. Now if you said the Colts will win 2 or 3 more Super Bowls in the 2000s I would agree with that

 

[Wandering wookie]

Damn, those Colts sure do have the Patriots feathers ruffled.

You said it JohnnyU...the Pats took that loss personally. They are really getting themselves set up to win not just another SB...but maybe 2-3 more in the next 4-5 years. I don't see how the Pats are not the early line favorite to win the SB. The allready had a dynast working...maybe they want to have the best run ever. If they won 2 more SB in the 2000s...5 in a decade maybe. Niners won 5 in 13 years.

I agree the Patriots took the loss personally, but I disagree about the Pats winning 2 or 3 more Super Bowls in the 2000s. Now if you said the Colts will win 2 or 3 more Super Bowls in the 2000s I would agree with that

"...And they say'You don't tug on Superman's capeYou don't spit into the windYou don't pull the mask off the old Lone RangerAnd you don't mess around with Jim'"

The Colts better not hoist no banner in front of the Pats to open the year or

 

[JohnnyU]

'You don't tug on Superman's capeYou don't spit into the windYou don't pull the mask off the old Lone RangerAnd you don't mess around with Jim'"The Colts better not hoist no banner in front of the Pats to open the year or

Talk is cheap.Last time I checked, the Colts have beaten NE 3 times in a row, 2 at NE, and are World Champs.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

'You don't tug on Superman's capeYou don't spit into the windYou don't pull the mask off the old Lone RangerAnd you don't mess around with Jim'"The Colts better not hoist no banner in front of the Pats to open the year or

Talk is cheap.

No worries, Gentlemen,New England will be back on top in 2007.The needs have been addressed.

 

[JohnnyU]

'You don't tug on Superman's capeYou don't spit into the windYou don't pull the mask off the old Lone RangerAnd you don't mess around with Jim'"The Colts better not hoist no banner in front of the Pats to open the year or

Talk is cheap.

No worries, Gentlemen,New England will be back on top in 2007.The needs have been addressed.

Yep, they will be back on top as long as Brady only has to drive the Patroits to FG range and not a TD.

 

[nerangers]

With all the Colts talk, I thought maybe Stallworth had signed with them for a moment...

Good deal for the Pats for 2007....He is still young at age 26, and still is averaging 15.1 yards per catch so far. Maybe he will be worth the 11 Million in 2008.

 

[PMENFAN]

Wow, bad signing here. Not sure why they went for a guy who won't play unless he is 150 %, always seems to have nagging injuries, is in the drug program, and has character issues. Definitely not a BB guy. Not sure why they didn't call Kevin Curtis' agent. Curtis is a better receiver, and seems like a BB guy (Wonderlic was through the roof, has experience playing out of the slot and as an outside guy). He probably will go cheaper as well.Maybe Pats fans can help me on this. What's the deal with long term contracts on the real key defensive players. I know Seymour is signed long term. But Wilfork and Warren? I thought I read somewhere that Warren resigned but I could be wrong.

ON what planet is Curtis better than Stallworth? Curtis is in Welkers league, and we already got that guy. If Curtis was in Stallworths league, he doesn't get away from the Rams. He and Holt, long term? That's sweet. They'll keep that D-line intact. They have to. It's the foundation of the scheme. It's why they took them all.

 

[bostonfred]

'You don't tug on Superman's capeYou don't spit into the windYou don't pull the mask off the old Lone RangerAnd you don't mess around with Jim'"The Colts better not hoist no banner in front of the Pats to open the year or

Talk is cheap.

No worries, Gentlemen,New England will be back on top in 2007.The needs have been addressed.

Yep, they will be back on top as long as Brady only has to drive the Patroits to FG range and not a TD.

lol @ JohhnyU getting all chirpy now that his Colts won one.

 

[Chaz]

Nice move for NE.

And, from a fantasy perspective, although I would not get too carried away with all of this, at least I would feel better about having a NE WR on my team as a #2 or 3. Pretty safe putting Brady down for 25-30/3800+ as well.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Looks like the Pats are showing some signs of desperation.

Signing one of the most over-rated and inconsistant WR's in the NFL just doesn't seem like a move that they would have made in the past.

 

[Serenity Now]

'You don't tug on Superman's capeYou don't spit into the windYou don't pull the mask off the old Lone RangerAnd you don't mess around with Jim'"The Colts better not hoist no banner in front of the Pats to open the year or

Talk is cheap.Last time I checked, the Colts have beaten NE 3 times in a row, 2 at NE, and are World Champs.

Whistling past the graveyard, huh? Enjoy it while you can. No seriously, I mean it.

 

[BigRed]

Damn, those Colts sure do have the Patriots feathers ruffled.

That's part of the reason. It was pretty obvious the Pats needed more big play ability/athleticism on their team. Well, adding Thomas, Welker and Stallworth as well as two #1's should provide a serious upgrade to all three facets of the game next year.

I know. PS already gave up on this year eh

 

[BigRed]

And the team is still aging. Thomas will be 30 already when the season begins. So these 2 additions hardly set the team up for a 5 year dominating run. You may want to check the ages of most of the rest of your starts too. NE is making a serious run for this season and next. After that guys like Thomas will be 32 while Vrabel, Bruschi, Harrison will probably be retired. Seymore will be pushing 30....it's an aging team.

You might want to check yourself. Yeah the LBs are old and Brady is getting up there, but otherwise it's not an "aging team," esp with Maroney taking over for Dillon.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Looks like the Pats are showing some signs of desperation.Signing one of the most over-rated and inconsistant WR's in the NFL just doesn't seem like a move that they would have made in the past.

I don't think he is overrated anywhere but on FF boards. His career numbers are as good or better than any wr they have had Glenn/Brown in their prime.

 

[crimsonrebel]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but he did play his last year in NO uninjured. He just has a bad rap for injuries, as has Fred Taylor, while other people get a free ride even though they get injured just as often. Donovan McNabb has had season ending injuries three of the last 5 seasons! Now theres someone who needs a nickname like Delicate Donovan. Why doesnt this gimp get the same treatment?

 

[brednbuddah]

I think his injury history is more anectdotal than people want to admit as he has played in 44 of 48 games in the last 3 years. He has never had a 1,000 yard season but has been a #2 guy. He is certainly not a true #1, he is the speed option. But the Patriots dont operate an offense that relies on a #1 receiver.

Tell that to guys like Reggie Wayne and TJ. Donte Stallworth would justify this contract is with

a) 16 full games

b) his first >1000 yd season

c) something close 10 tds.

 

[bostonfred]

And the team is still aging. Thomas will be 30 already when the season begins. So these 2 additions hardly set the team up for a 5 year dominating run. You may want to check the ages of most of the rest of your starts too. NE is making a serious run for this season and next. After that guys like Thomas will be 32 while Vrabel, Bruschi, Harrison will probably be retired. Seymore will be pushing 30....it's an aging team.

You might want to check yourself. Yeah the LBs are old and Brady is getting up there, but otherwise it's not an "aging team," esp with Maroney taking over for Dillon.

The following is a list of players who would likely start for the team and who are 30+:Rodney HarrisonTedy BruschiMike VrabelStephen NealTom Brady, Adalius Thomas and Roosevelt Colvin turn 30 in August, August and September, respectively. Kevin Faulk and special teams ace Larry Izzo are also 30+. And their punter is admittedly long in the tooth. Sammy Morris turns 30 this month. Even if you move the criteria to 28+, you're only looking at Matt Light, backup DL Jarvis Green, and Heath Evans.

 

[bostonfred]

I think his injury history is more anectdotal than people want to admit as he has played in 44 of 48 games in the last 3 years. He has never had a 1,000 yard season but has been a #2 guy. He is certainly not a true #1, he is the speed option. But the Patriots dont operate an offense that relies on a #1 receiver.

Tell that to guys like Reggie Wayne and TJ. Donte Stallworth would justify this contract is with

a) 16 full games

b) his first >1000 yd season

c) something close 10 tds.

I would happily take 14 games at 60 receptions, 900 yards, 8 TDs if he's healthy and productive in the playoffs.

 

[Rovers]

As a Jets fan, the Pats getting Welker for a 2nd and a 7th, getting Stallworth and Sammy Morris in FA doesn't bug me. Meh. The signing that DOES bother me is A Thomas. That bites. The Pats still don't have a #1 WR. What's the big fuss?

 

[rabidfireweasel]

I think his injury history is more anectdotal than people want to admit as he has played in 44 of 48 games in the last 3 years. He has never had a 1,000 yard season but has been a #2 guy. He is certainly not a true #1, he is the speed option. But the Patriots dont operate an offense that relies on a #1 receiver.

Tell that to guys like Reggie Wayne and TJ. Donte Stallworth would justify this contract is with

a) 16 full games

b) his first >1000 yd season

c) something close 10 tds.

In the last 5 years, no NE wr has gotten 1000 yards or more than 7 yds. So,to justify this 3.6 million dollars, in your opinion, he will need to do something no Patriot wr has done in 5 years. I think you may have to go back to Stanley Morgan to find a Patriot wr with 10 td's.

 

[Workhorse]

As a Jets fan, the Pats getting Welker for a 2nd and a 7th, getting Stallworth and Sammy Morris in FA doesn't bug me. Meh. The signing that DOES bother me is A Thomas. That bites. The Pats still don't have a #1 WR. What's the big fuss?

The fuss? The Pats got MUCH better their two weakest positions this offseason and they were already the best team in the division and one of the 3 best teams in the AFC. Oh, and they still have quite a bit of cap room and two first round picks.

 

[Buttmonkey]

Perception, as usual, clouds everybody's judgement. Lets take the great Reggie Wayne, who is considered a far superior WR than Stallworth, both in durability and ability. However, comparing the first five seasons (which is a huge metric), you might be surprised to see they are very close (even with all of Stallworth's injuies, he has still managed to keep close to the great Wayne).

Stallworth - 233 receptions for 3516 yards and 28 TDs

Wayne - 304 receptions for 3956 yards and 28TDs

Now the huge stat of the day: Wayne has started 20 more games than Stallworth

Wayne has had Manning throwing him the rock, Stallworth has had Brooks (who a lot of you pundits say is terrible, and for a half season, McNabb and Garcia).

So the bottom line is, with all our speculation, there really isn't a way for us to determine Stallworth's value this season. We can assume he'll put up his average numbers, but he does now have a very good QB in Brady, and the fact that he is the best WR on the team, we have to assume he'll better his numbers (if only slightly). 80 receptions for 1100 yards and 8 TDs is certainly do-able. His injury history is a concern, but just as in roulette, just because it has hit red 18 times in a row does not mean that it's got to hit black anytime soon (the odds are still 50/50). The probability of Stallworth getting injured is just as likely (or unlikely) as Wayne.

Lastly, it's funny to read how most Philly fans wanted the guy back, but most NE fans aren't too happy to have him. Consider with all the turmoil they went through with TO, for Philly fans to embrace another WR should give credit to Stallworth as a player.

And finally, NE fans - get over yourselves.

 

[cstu]

Perception, as usual, clouds everybody's judgement. Lets take the great Reggie Wayne, who is considered a far superior WR than Stallworth, both in durability and ability. However, comparing the first five seasons (which is a huge metric), you might be surprised to see they are very close (even with all of Stallworth's injuies, he has still managed to keep close to the great Wayne).

Stallworth - 233 receptions for 3516 yards and 28 TDs

Wayne - 304 receptions for 3956 yards and 28TDs

Now the huge stat of the day: Wayne has started 20 more games than Stallworth

Wayne has had Manning throwing him the rock, Stallworth has had Brooks (who a lot of you pundits say is terrible, and for a half season, McNabb and Garcia).

So the bottom line is, with all our speculation, there really isn't a way for us to determine Stallworth's value this season. We can assume he'll put up his average numbers, but he does now have a very good QB in Brady, and the fact that he is the best WR on the team, we have to assume he'll better his numbers (if only slightly). 80 receptions for 1100 yards and 8 TDs is certainly do-able. His injury history is a concern, but just as in roulette, just because it has hit red 18 times in a row does not mean that it's got to hit black anytime soon (the odds are still 50/50). The probability of Stallworth getting injured is just as likely (or unlikely) as Wayne.

Lastly, it's funny to read how most Philly fans wanted the guy back, but most NE fans aren't too happy to have him. Consider with all the turmoil they went through with TO, for Philly fans to embrace another WR should give credit to Stallworth as a player.

And finally, NE fans - get over yourselves.

Is it supposed to be a good thing when a player missed nearly a whole season's worth of games in his first 5 years? Wayne stays healthy and is as good as the offense allows him to be.Brooks didn't stop Horn from being a 4 time Pro Bowl'er with him at QB, but Stallworth couldn't break 1000 yards when Horn was injured in 2005.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

'You don't tug on Superman's capeYou don't spit into the windYou don't pull the mask off the old Lone RangerAnd you don't mess around with Jim'"The Colts better not hoist no banner in front of the Pats to open the year or

Talk is cheap.

No worries, Gentlemen,New England will be back on top in 2007.The needs have been addressed.

Yep, they will be back on top as long as Brady only has to drive the Patroits to FG range and not a TD.

There they go again If u really want to go there, sure maybe your right, but using your own illogic you must concede that Indy will be back again only if their Defense is able to pull off another miracle. Cause it's sure as hell unlikely Pey-me-tons 3 td's, 7 Int's and 70 qb rating will do it again for the Colts

 

[bostonfred]

Is it supposed to be a good thing when a player missed nearly a whole season's worth of games in his first 5 years? Wayne stays healthy and is as good as the offense allows him to be.Brooks didn't stop Horn from being a 4 time Pro Bowl'er with him at QB, but Stallworth couldn't break 1000 yards when Horn was injured in 2005.

Why are you bringing Horn into this? Horn averaged 1230 yards and 9.3 TDs per year with Stallworth before getting hurt in 2005. Harrison averaged 1360 yards and 12.5 TDs per year with Wayne - better, certainly, but not worlds better. Both of them played behind a WR1 who was putting up the lion's share of the numbers. And Harrison had a quarterback who was at least as good as Brooks. I don't know how to evaluate Stallworth from an NFL or fantasy perspective. From a fantasy perspective, I think Brady is a better passer than McNabb, but I don't think he'll be the immediate center of the offense, so I don't think he's likely to make a fantasy impact. Despite the contract, he still has to contend with both of last year's starting receivers, last year's #1 pass catching TE, and another expensive offseason acquisition for playing time. So it really comes down to how talented he is. From a talent perspective, Stallworth was well regarded coming out in the draft, he didn't make huge strides but played fairly well as the #2 WR on a team with a struggling QB, and he immediately looked good playing with a new (but much better) QB on a different offense with McNabb. He's explosive, averaging a TD every 8.32 receptions, and he has two seasons over 19 yards per catch. He's had hamstring problems, which are troubling, but so did Isaac Bruce, who was similarly regarded coming out but who struggled to stay healthy early on. I also think Stallworth could get frustrated if he's not featured in the offense. 10% of his contract for this first year is incentives, and if the Patriots don't use him as much as he'd like, he may not respond well. It wouldn't be the first time a talented player bit off his nose to spite his face, whether it's coming back slowly from injury or losing interest in the offense, and the Patriots have no patience for players like that, regardless of how much they cost. I'm happy with the signing, and we may look back at this as the moment that Tom Brady finally got his #1 receiver, but we may also look back on it as the Patriots failing to evaluate WR talent once again.

 

[ATRAIN56]

Dont let the door hit you in the butt

signed

Reggie Brown

 

[MelKiperJr]

Dont let the door hit you in the buttsignedReggie Brown

Good luck being the #1, you definitely earned it....

 

[brednbuddah]

I think his injury history is more anectdotal than people want to admit as he has played in 44 of 48 games in the last 3 years. He has never had a 1,000 yard season but has been a #2 guy. He is certainly not a true #1, he is the speed option. But the Patriots dont operate an offense that relies on a #1 receiver.

Tell that to guys like Reggie Wayne and TJ. Donte Stallworth would justify this contract is with

a) 16 full games

b) his first >1000 yd season

c) something close 10 tds.

I would happily take 14 games at 60 receptions, 900 yards, 8 TDs if he's healthy and productive in the playoffs.

playoffs aside, if that's what Stallworth delivers during the regular season, which is a fair assessment, I'd be a bit disappointed. The Pats have made some smart moves so far. I just don't think Stallworth is one of them.

ETA: spelling

 

[Pat Patriot]

I think his injury history is more anectdotal than people want to admit as he has played in 44 of 48 games in the last 3 years. He has never had a 1,000 yard season but has been a #2 guy. He is certainly not a true #1, he is the speed option. But the Patriots dont operate an offense that relies on a #1 receiver.

Tell that to guys like Reggie Wayne and TJ. Donte Stallworth would justify this contract is with

a) 16 full games

b) his first >1000 yd season

c) something close 10 tds.

Reggie Wayne and TJ Housh are 2 guys in all of the NFL. 1000 yds is not standard for #2 WR's. Wayne and TJ are the exceptions not the rule.