Star Trek - Into Darkness (1 Viewer)

[Hawks64]

Am I misrembering or did we not know about the Genesis project when Spock died in the original? It just felt like...woa...Spock is dead.

Khan was to have been the end of the road for the Spock character but during filming Nimoy relented and we got the shot of Spock's coffin on the Genesis planet at the end of the movie.

It was much less obvious that Spock would be coming back at the end of Wrath of Khan. I may be remembering this wrong, but I don't think it was until post-premiere that Nimoy confirmed he would come back for III.

They put in a pretty big hint that Spock might come back into the end of Wrath of Khan with this quote from Kirk. "Captain's log, stardate 8141.6. Starship Enterprise departing for Ceti Alpha Five to pick up the crew of the U.S.S. Reliant. All is well. And yet I can't help wondering about the friend I leave behind. 'There are always possibilities' Spock said. And if Genesis is indeed 'Life from death', I must return to this place again."

True but that was obviously after Spock's death and far cry from - hey, let's see what happens if we put Khan's blood in this dead Tribble, for no apparent reason.

I thought he was doing a full medical review of Khan's claims, which included some blood work. The results showed something interesting which McCoy tested against a harmless/dying animal.

That's the way I took it as well.

 

[NewlyRetired]

There was not a single mention of Katra in Wrath of Khan.

The idea of the katra is introduced to the movies in Star Trek 3. It was actually introduced briefly in the TOS episode "Return to Tomorrow."

Not by name. But when Spock melds with McCoy and says "Remember", he's transferring his Katra. That scene was added on after filming begain.

agreed.

But scenes are added and removed all the time when filming. Rewrites can occur on the fly. Not sure why this makes any difference.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Am I misrembering or did we not know about the Genesis project when Spock died in the original? It just felt like...woa...Spock is dead.

Khan was to have been the end of the road for the Spock character but during filming Nimoy relented and we got the shot of Spock's coffin on the Genesis planet at the end of the movie.

It was much less obvious that Spock would be coming back at the end of Wrath of Khan. I may be remembering this wrong, but I don't think it was until post-premiere that Nimoy confirmed he would come back for III.

They put in a pretty big hint that Spock might come back into the end of Wrath of Khan with this quote from Kirk. "Captain's log, stardate 8141.6. Starship Enterprise departing for Ceti Alpha Five to pick up the crew of the U.S.S. Reliant. All is well. And yet I can't help wondering about the friend I leave behind. 'There are always possibilities' Spock said. And if Genesis is indeed 'Life from death', I must return to this place again."

True but that was obviously after Spock's death and far cry from - hey, let's see what happens if we put Khan's blood in this dead Tribble, for no apparent reason.

I thought he was doing a full medical review of Khan's claims, which included some blood work. The results showed something interesting which McCoy tested against a harmless/dying animal.

Right, but that was fairly transparent plot device. Just seemed too obvious to me at that point what was going to happen. I'd like to take credit for some kind if superior intellect and ability to see things coming, but honestly it just felt like lazy writing. To go back to point I made in my original spoiler post, and subsequently by bigbottom, the movie felt too much like they wrote the ending with Kirk/Spock and then set about writing the rest of the script to make that happen. And, of course, writing in a way for Kirk to survive since they aren't going to kill him off.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

There was not a single mention of Katra in Wrath of Khan.

The idea of the katra is introduced to the movies in Star Trek 3. It was actually introduced briefly in the TOS episode "Return to Tomorrow."

Not by name. But when Spock melds with McCoy and says "Remember", he's transferring his Katra. That scene was added on after filming begain.

agreed.

But scenes are added and removed all the time when filming. Rewrites can occur on the fly. Not sure why this makes any difference.

Because we were talking about whether or not Spock was supposed to really be dead at the end of ST2.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The worst thing about the tribble was not that it was silly, it's that it was unnecessary.

We had already established earlier in the film that Khan's blood had healing properties when it was used to save the Starfleet Officer's (the dude that played Mickey in Dr. Who) daughter from death.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

The worst thing about the tribble was not that it was silly, it's that it was unnecessary. We had already established earlier in the film that Khan's blood had healing properties when it was used to save the Starfleet Officer's (the dude that played Mickey in Dr. Who) daughter from death.

Well, no one on the Enterprise would have known about that. So they had to have some way for them to find out about Khan's magic blood.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The worst thing about the tribble was not that it was silly, it's that it was unnecessary. We had already established earlier in the film that Khan's blood had healing properties when it was used to save the Starfleet Officer's (the dude that played Mickey in Dr. Who) daughter from death.

Well, no one on the Enterprise would have known about that. So they had to have some way for them to find out about Khan's magic blood.

Ah. That's true.

 

[tdoss]

[Am I misrembering or did we not know about the Genesis project when Spock died in the original? It just felt like...woa...Spock is dead..

The major plot line in Wrath of Khan was the Genesis device.The Genesis device was activated by Khan creating a new live planet. After Spock dies they shoot his torpedo coffin into the planet.The movie ends by showing the torpedo safely landed on the new planet.

That's right...nice little cliffhanger. We all knew Spock would be reborn but still nice way to end the film and make everyone wonder if Nimoy would return or would they get someone else or end it altogether.This one had absolutely no suspense or worry. Almost like when Pepper fell into the fire during Iron Man 3...it evoked no emotion from the audience whatsoever.

 

[NewlyRetired]

There was not a single mention of Katra in Wrath of Khan. The idea of the katra is introduced to the movies in Star Trek 3. It was actually introduced briefly in the TOS episode "Return to Tomorrow."

Not by name. But when Spock melds with McCoy and says "Remember", he's transferring his Katra. That scene was added on after filming begain.

agreed. But scenes are added and removed all the time when filming. Rewrites can occur on the fly. Not sure why this makes any difference.

Because we were talking about whether or not Spock was supposed to really be dead at the end of ST2.

I thought we were talking about whether there were any clues to whether Spock was really dead in Wrath of Khan? No biggie, I think we are both talking about a slightly different topic.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Good Grantland interview with Into Darkness writer Damon Lindelof.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9293739/a-not-brief-conversation-damon-lindelof-writer-lost-prometheus-star-trek-darkness

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Both my GF and i loved this movie in 3D at the Imax...what a big loud and fun summer blockbuster !!!!

 

[parasaurolophus]

Both my GF and i loved this movie in 3D at the Imax...what a big loud and fun summer blockbuster !!!!

My thoughts exactly. These threads always crack me up. People get beamed all over space, travel at warp speed, and whatever else happens in these movies, but its the fact that Khan got knocked down by Scotty's blast(which was to the head iirc) and didnt get knocked down by Uhura's. I would bet my left nut there are more examples of people being shot multiple times and surviving and later being shot only once and dying than people beaming through space.

 

[Braktastic]

For example if Khan was so closely watched, how is it he had all this time to smuggle all his crew into torpedos? And if he did have that much time, why not just wake them all up instead?

He didn't put them in the tubes. Admiral Marcus did.

You might want to watch the film again. Khan put his crew in the torpedos in order to smuggle them out, but Marcus found out about Khan's plan and was using them as a final "smack in the face" to Khan by trying to kill Khan with his own weapons/people.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Both my GF and i loved this movie in 3D at the Imax...what a big loud and fun summer blockbuster !!!!

This is why I think the earlier contention that Trek fans should love the movie and casual viewers just like it is completely backward.

I'm not sure I'd call myself a Trek fan now, but I was a huge fan in junior high. I enjoyed the movie while watching it. But it seemed pretty disposable to me. And it's something pretty different from Star Trek (in fairness, all the movies really are).

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I remain a huge fan of Wrath of Khan. I think it's strangely reductive to just call it the best Trek film. Kind of like calling Jaws the best killer shark film. I watched Wrath of Khan just a month ago, and it still holds up great. Better than at least 2 of the 3 of the original Star Wars trilogy and possibly even better than Empire Strikes Back.

So I do think it's a mistake to self-consciously make reference to a better movie. Spock's sacrifice stays with you. As does Kirk's rediscovery of his life's purpose (discovered at the cost of Spock's sacrifice).

Nothing in this movie really has that impact. So obviously the effects are better. But not much else is. I also thought there were plot holes (it's hard to see why Khan's blood was essential when they had 72 other specimens of the Eugenics Wars participants on board), but that's not particularly important.

 

[Pick]

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The whole rogue admiral/daughter plotline was stupid to me (but she's hot).

 

[saintfool]

Right, but that was fairly transparent plot device. Just seemed too obvious to me at that point what was going to happen. I'd like to take credit for some kind if superior intellect and ability to see things coming, but honestly it just felt like lazy writing.To go back to point I made in my original spoiler post, and subsequently by bigbottom, the movie felt too much like they wrote the ending with Kirk/Spock and then set about writing the rest of the script to make that happen. And, of course, writing in a way for Kirk to survive since they aren't going to kill him off.

i won't disagree with you on any of that. i thought that it was pretty familiar for those in the audience that saw "Wrath" or watched the series. once the reveal of Harrison/Khan then it was just figuring out how they would pull it all together. that said, it was still very enjoyable.

personally, i was kind of annoyed early on about the intro scene. they drop someone in a special suit in the middle of a volcano and leave him there for a long time. he probably should have been charred vulcan very quickly. why did kirk and mccoy mess with the tribe at all? i was hoping that the early chatter about the prime directive would actually come into play with the plot, especially with the tribe being influenced by the appearance of the ship, rather than just be an excuse to remove him from captain's chair.

however, my annoyance gave way to a fun movie pretty quickly.

 

[saintfool]

Spoiler

The whole rogue admiral/daughter plotline was stupid to me (but she's hot).

my thoughts:

Spoiler

i was expecting her to take up with khan.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The nitipicking reminds me of this anecdote from Vertigo:

When Kim Novak questioned Alfred Hitchcock about her motivation in a particular scene, the director is said to have answered, "Kim, it's only a movie!"

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

This Q&A style review is hilarious, and sums up a lot of problems I had with the movie. I still overall had a good time and will certainly be seeing it again, it just fell way short of what I was hoping for.

After making a mere $84 million at the U.S. box office, Star Trek Into Darkness is considered by some to be a disappointment. Perhaps the problem is that it was a touch confusing. To help our readers better understand it, we've complied and answered these Frequently Asked Questions about the movie.

Maximum spoilers ahead...

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[Leeroy Jenkins]

This Q&A style review is hilarious, and sums up a lot of problems I had with the movie. I still overall had a good time and will certainly be seeing it again, it just fell way short of what I was hoping for.

After making a mere $84 million at the U.S. box office, Star Trek Into Darkness is considered by some to be a disappointment. Perhaps the problem is that it was a touch confusing. To help our readers better understand it, we've complied and answered these Frequently Asked Questions about the movie.

Maximum spoilers ahead...

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Well, I'm glad I didn't go see this. Sounds horrible.

 

[saintfool]

This Q&A style review is hilarious, and sums up a lot of problems I had with the movie. I still overall had a good time and will certainly be seeing it again, it just fell way short of what I was hoping for.

After making a mere $84 million at the U.S. box office, Star Trek Into Darkness is considered by some to be a disappointment. Perhaps the problem is that it was a touch confusing. To help our readers better understand it, we've complied and answered these Frequently Asked Questions about the movie.

Maximum spoilers ahead...

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Well done. I agree with almost every bit of it.

 

[bigbottom]

This Q&A style review is hilarious, and sums up a lot of problems I had with the movie. I still overall had a good time and will certainly be seeing it again, it just fell way short of what I was hoping for.

After making a mere $84 million at the U.S. box office, Star Trek Into Darkness is considered by some to be a disappointment. Perhaps the problem is that it was a touch confusing. To help our readers better understand it, we've complied and answered these Frequently Asked Questions about the movie.

Maximum spoilers ahead...

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Wasn’t Carol Marcus a molecular biologist in the original Trek universe?

Yeah, I assume the career switch is Eric Bana’s fault.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

This Q&A style review is hilarious, and sums up a lot of problems I had with the movie. I still overall had a good time and will certainly be seeing it again, it just fell way short of what I was hoping for.

After making a mere $84 million at the U.S. box office, Star Trek Into Darkness is considered by some to be a disappointment. Perhaps the problem is that it was a touch confusing. To help our readers better understand it, we've complied and answered these Frequently Asked Questions about the movie.

Maximum spoilers ahead...

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Well, I'm glad I didn't go see this. Sounds horrible.

Talk about taking all the fun out of a movie...yikes

 

[mcintyre1]

This Q&A style review is hilarious, and sums up a lot of problems I had with the movie. I still overall had a good time and will certainly be seeing it again, it just fell way short of what I was hoping for.

After making a mere $84 million at the U.S. box office, Star Trek Into Darkness is considered by some to be a disappointment. Perhaps the problem is that it was a touch confusing. To help our readers better understand it, we've complied and answered these Frequently Asked Questions about the movie.

Maximum spoilers ahead...

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Well, I'm glad I didn't go see this. Sounds horrible.

Talk about taking all the fun out of a movie...yikes

No joke. I couldn't keep reading the review because it was so relentlessly negative. I'm a huge Trek nerd and I loved this movie. Old Trek fans need to move the hell on and let a new generation of fans grow. TNG-era Trek got 3 whole series and several movies before it naturally waned in popularity. That era is done and won't be coming back, just enjoy the new stuff for what it is: pulp sci-fi with heavy handed social commentary (terrorism, drone strikes, etc.). And really, is that any different from what Star Trek has always been?

 

[Statorama]

Loved it

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Having some DirectTV issues and they are coming to fix it tomorrow so I've been stuck with only recorded stuff to watch the past few days. So, I have the first movie DVR'ed from when it was on FX and the wife and I have now watched it 3 or 4 times in the past week or so. The more I watch it the more I like just about every casting selection. Everyone, to me, hit their marks perfectly and when they had to , respectfully. With that, I am happy with the new universe.

Having said that, I am going to see this thing this weekend. I have stupidly read all the reviews, wiki page, the Q&A review that was posted here and all the spoilers because, well, I can still enjoy it knowing what is going to happen. And part of me is pissed. I didn't want them to touch the story line they touched at all. I have been told by a close movie buddy here that agrees with me on the greatness of the movies inspiration that I will enjoy it and so I will be prepared to enjoy it. In the end though, I think I've come to the conclusion watching the first one a few times recently that I enjoy the new characters enough and the universe of Star Trek enough that it would really take a lot of utter nonsense for me to not like this. Hell, I still can watch Star Trek V and enjoy parts of it just because it's Star Trek.

So, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Uhura gets nekkid, right? (Whoda ever thought you'd type that? Nichelle Nichols isn't exactly Hally Berry).

 

[Andy Dufresne]

So, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Uhura gets nekkid, right? (Whoda ever thought you'd type that? Nichelle Nichols isn't exactly Hally Berry).

No. Someone who is supposed to be a version of Carol Marcus gets mostly nekkid. A fact NOW recognized by Damon Lindelof as gratuitous and misogynistic.

Zoe Saldana nekkid would make me miss at least 5 minutes of the movie due to bathroom time.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

So, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Uhura gets nekkid, right? (Whoda ever thought you'd type that? Nichelle Nichols isn't exactly Hally Berry).

No. Someone who is supposed to be a version of Carol Marcus gets mostly nekkid. A fact NOW recognized by Damon Lindelof as gratuitous and misogynistic.

Zoe Saldana nekkid would make me miss at least 5 minutes of the movie due to bathroom time.

Agreed. And why is that a problem. The green chick was hot in the first one - and that scene was hysterical. I think that was the point I basically realized I'm going to like this whole new universe - because they are going to do little things like that as a gift to fans of the entire Star Trek universe.

But I still don't understand a fundamental point - why do they need to touch on the old universe at all? I mean, I get that you want to give movie goers some kind of continuity, but still. I didn't need the Kobeyahi Maru (whatever) part just to be funny nor do I need constant references to a slightly change but still kinda connected to the old universe stuff. You can give me all new stuff. I'm ok with that. And I think most people would be. I wouldn't have gone near any old universe cannon in any way except the way they did with the green chick - quickly with a wink and a nod and back to the story.

But, then again, I'm an overweight lawyer in New Jersey and JJ Abrams is worth a billion dollars so what do I know.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

But I still don't understand a fundamental point - why do they need to touch on the old universe at all?

Straight cash, homey. Have to appeal to the fan base while not taking a risk that it won't make every dime possible.

That, and Hollywood is completely out of fresh ideas.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

JJ Abrams rebooted Star Trek so he could make Star Wars films before he was allowed to make Star Wars movies for real. Once you get past that, you can enjoy the rebooted Star Trek universe more easliy.

This. I love the new Trek movies for what they are, but man does Abrahms' Star Warsness really come through. Once they created the new universe they may as well have changed the title to "Star Trek Wars". One particular scene that stood out to me was when Scotty was flying around outside the suspicious space station and then goes topside to watch the incoming fleet before he sneaks into the group... Everything about that scene, the music, etc, felt like a Star Wars clip to me.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Definitely a must see flick, one of the best Star Trek films ever. I am not a Trekkie the same as some of the folks who go. In fact I stopped watching after Final Frontier. I decided to jump back in when they did the reboot and I try not to connect story lines from the 1960s on a show I never really watched that close.

I was a bit shocked with the big revelation in this movie but it was great to see them revive a piece of what the franchise rides on. I did not like the scene where Kirk does what someone else boldly did before him. That one part of the film I found slightly weak however the Spock payoff at the end I thought was a defining moment. Bad guy in the film was razor sharp and does a terrific role of Sherlock if you ever get a chance to see it.

Those not liking the JJ Abraham Star Trek films, probably not gonna like when he connects story-lines in Star Wars much either. I think he will do a good job and I am a fan of the new franchise. If you were waiting until Memorial Day to catch it, I would encourage you to go. Lot of action, special effects, a nice little cliff hanger if they decide to use it but otherwise I would assume we are going to get at least 1-2 more of these. The uniforms are getting more snug and that's not a bad thing on some of those ladies. The bikini shot was pretty un-Star Trek like from what I recall and didn't really need to be there but was glad to see it nonetheless.

Saw this on the ETX in 3-D, only watched one other movie in 3-D vowed never to go see movies that way again. I enjoyed the 3-D in this one and the sound was ear popping at some points, good solid summer popcorn film. 2 Hours flew by.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

JJ Abrams rebooted Star Trek so he could make Star Wars films before he was allowed to make Star Wars movies for real. Once you get past that, you can enjoy the rebooted Star Trek universe more easliy.

This. I love the new Trek movies for what they are, but man does Abrahms' Star Warsness really come through. Once they created the new universe they may as well have changed the title to "Star Trek Wars".One particular scene that stood out to me was when Scotty was flying around outside the suspicious space station and then goes topside to watch the incoming fleet before he sneaks into the group... Everything about that scene, the music, etc, felt like a Star Wars clip to me.

"The Genesis plans are not in the main computer"

 

[NewlyRetired]

The bikini shot was pretty un-Star Trek like from what I recall and didn't really need to be there but was glad to see it nonetheless.

A ton of episodes in the original series featured women in little clothing. Granted it was the 60's.

 

[Riversco]

Trek 3 has to be Klingon vs Federation war.

 

[drummer]

So...

Good smoke a fatty flick?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Why are we blaming jj for the story? Did he write the screenplay?

 

[No. 4]

Saw It Tonight. Agree With Above. Two Hours Flew By. The Humor In These Films Is Awesome. Scotty Had Some great Lines And Spock Too. Def Better Than Iron Man And In The Lead For Best Summer Flick.

Btw Not Sure Why My Phone Is Capitalizing Every Word.

 

[Politician Spock]

Took my 10 year old son to see it tonight.

Good stuff. Well worth a few bucks to watch.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Why are we blaming jj for the story? Did he write the screenplay?

no. It was written by three guys, Robert Orci, Alex Kurtzman, and Damon Lindelof. Orci and Kurtman wrote the first Star Trek. Orci and Kurtman have worked on a ton of stuff together, Alias, Fringe, Hawai 5-0 etc. Lindelof was the writer and co-creator of Lost.

All 3 guys have long standing ties to Abrams.

 

[Daywalker]

Was entertained but would probably be bored watching it again. All action. Light on story. Movie was like a giant clock ticking down over and over. Nothing clever. Thought the first one was one of the most rewatchable movies of the past few years.

 

[jon_mx]

So, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Uhura gets nekkid, right? (Whoda ever thought you'd type that? Nichelle Nichols isn't exactly Hally Berry).

No. Someone who is supposed to be a version of Carol Marcus gets mostly nekkid. A fact NOW recognized by Damon Lindelof as gratuitous and misogynistic.

Zoe Saldana nekkid would make me miss at least 5 minutes of the movie due to bathroom time.

I am puzzled why a strip down by a hot girl is considered gratuitous?

gra·tu·i·tous /grəˈto͞oitəs/
Adjective

• Uncalled for; lacking good reason; unwarranted.

I considered such scenes called for, having good reason, and very warranted.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

So, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Uhura gets nekkid, right? (Whoda ever thought you'd type that? Nichelle Nichols isn't exactly Hally Berry).

No. Someone who is supposed to be a version of Carol Marcus gets mostly nekkid. A fact NOW recognized by Damon Lindelof as gratuitous and misogynistic.

Zoe Saldana nekkid would make me miss at least 5 minutes of the movie due to bathroom time.

I am puzzled why a strip down by a hot girl is considered gratuitous?

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gra·tu·i·tous /grəˈto͞oitəs/
Adjective

• Uncalled for; lacking good reason; unwarranted.

I considered such scenes called for, having good reason, and very warranted.

it was visually pleasing...whats the problem again?

 

[badmojo1006]

Just saw it. Really enjoyed it except the Wrath of Khan reversed death sequence. It felt forced and had nowhere near the power of the original.

Not sure if you caught all the references from this link. I http://forumimages.footballguys.com/forums//public/style_emoticons/default/laughing.gif' alt='a>'> at "The Mudd Incident"

I will go see it again just to hear McCoy's one liners. Karl Urban was perfect as Bones.

What race was that Lieutenant on the bridge? I swear it was Borg. It had the implant in the back of its head and spoke like a Borg, but no way could it have been a Borg

And to see Alice Eve again

 

[NewlyRetired]

What race was that Lieutenant on the bridge? I swear it was Borg. It had the implant in the back of its head and spoke like a Borg, but no way could it have been a Borg

I have been trying to find this out since I first saw it but I can't find out. My wife and daughter thought it was a cyborg.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Thanks for all the spoiler tags dickfaces.

 

[jon_mx]

Thanks for all the spoiler tags dickfaces.

Spoiler

You are welcome!

 

[Silver & Black]

Big Trek fan, loved it.

Didn't anyone else catch the Harry Mudd reference? Someone asking if the shuttle craft from the Mudd incident weas ready yet. I laughed.

 

[Daywalker]

Anyone else notice Bill Hader voicing many of the ship commands?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

So, by now, the Enterprise and every ship it comes in contact with should be filled with super tribbles

 

[rascal]

Awesome movie.