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STAR WARS: Episode 7 (All-Time #1 opening box office.) (1 Viewer)

Thunderlips said:
KarmaPolice said:
Hang 10 said:
KarmaPolice said:
Thunderlips said:
Not bad.......prolly see it when the crowd dies down. A little too much throwback BS.
"Throwback BS"?Wanting more Gungans or 8year olds who cant act?
I think it's a fair criticism. IF this movie is going to be any good, it needs to stand on it's own. The ONLY positive thing the prequels had was the nostalgia and they were miserable failures.
Disagree. That is not the only way for it to be good. I love that it looks to be a blend of the old guard while introducing what is next for the series. Would instantly be one of the best of the series if it has more practical effects and even above average acting.A big problem with the last three is we knew where the story was heading.
The problem with the last three wasn't that we knew were it was going. It was how they got there.

  • The Phantom Menace is unnecessary...and its bad in the sense that Lucas was trying, more or less to shoehorn it into the "standalone movie" that A New Hope was.
  • Hayden Christanson was a bad actor. You needed a guy to nail the dichotomy of emotions Anakin was supposed to be feeling.
  • They killed off their best visual villain in the first one. No need to replace Maul with Count Dooku.
The new one has promise....I just don't want to see a fapfest homage to the original ones. If the characters work organically in the story...that's great. If they're just shoehorning them in for name recognition/pop....the story will suffer.
I dont think it will be shoehorned in. My assumption is it has to so with some of their kids since the force has to be passed down somehow since the Jedi were wiped out.Hayden isnt a bad actor. He and others involved with those bad couple movies are fine in other things. Problem always has been that Lucas has no ear for dialogue and doesn't seem to be good at directing actors. More of an ideas man, and it is good that he handed ofc the franchise.
Hayden is an awful actor, but it's not all his fault. If you watch enough Woody Allen movies, he gets good performances out of people like Madonna and Scarlett Johansen. Lucas has no feel for acting.

Like, we're supposed to believe that this young Anakin was so alluring and charismatic that a queen found him irresistible? Hayden couldn't have bedded a truck stop waitress with that on-screen presence.
He was perfectly fine in Life as a House. Portman can act, as can most of the rest of the cast. I put the blame on Lucas as most come off wooden and robotic.
I will never forget some of the cringe-worthy lines between Hayden/Portman in the prequals.

Anakin Skywalker: You are so... beautiful.

Padmé: It's only because I'm so in love.

Anakin Skywalker: No, it's because I'm so in love with you.

Padmé: So love has blinded you?

Anakin Skywalker: [laughs] Well, that's not exactly what I meant.

Padmé: But it's probably true.
Literally made me cringe. Some of the worst dialogue and acting you could find on film. So uncomfortable to watch.
I think its an improvement

 
Considering Star Wars centers around the Skywalkers, it's kind of hard not to have Skywalkers involved, for those crying about the returning characters.

 
This movie will erase all memories of the last 3 abominations in the franchise.
Agreed. This movie will be to the latest Dark Knight reboots whereas the jar jar stuff will be like Clooney as batman and Schwarzenegger as the ice guy.

 
The remnants of the Empire is now known as The First Order.
I really really hope they go over the backstory of what happened after the battle of Endor to present time. Someone alluded to it earlier that it was all in the books and the movie may just cut directly there without explaining things.

 
I think the time period is based on the direct desire to bring back the three main characters. So from that perspective it's forced.

But by the same token, it would be difficult to have anything of import happen just a few years after ROTJ. You'd have to think it would take some time for the Empire to recuperate after the events of ROTJ. 30 years seems fine with me. Ultimately, the success is on the story, not the time period.
I don't think it's forced. I think it's right for the story. And from everything I've heard, the old players will be nothing more than cameos. It's not like they are the stars. So I'm cool with it.
So we're going to be robbed of Carrie Fisher getting back in the metal bikini again?
My sources tell me there is a shaved ewok twister scene instead
Is that dark skinned guy a shaved ewok?

 
The remnants of the Empire is now known as The First Order.
I really really hope they go over the backstory of what happened after the battle of Endor to present time. Someone alluded to it earlier that it was all in the books and the movie may just cut directly there without explaining things.
Probably just through the opening crawl and a few points/lines in the movie, but I doubt they spend a lot of time on it. I'm assuming like you said the bulk of it will be left to the books and cartoon series.

 
Are we avoiding spoilers in here? I really don't want to know anything much before going in.

I do enjoy speculation though. And if that is indeed Anakin's/Luke's lightsaber from esb, I wonder if they are going to do one storyline from a book .....

 
Are we avoiding spoilers in here? I really don't want to know anything much before going in.

I do enjoy speculation though. And if that is indeed Anakin's/Luke's lightsaber from esb, I wonder if they are going to do one storyline from a book .....
I like that the teasers haven't given away too much. I want to go in knowing as little as possible about this movie.

 
Are we avoiding spoilers in here? I really don't want to know anything much before going in.

I do enjoy speculation though. And if that is indeed Anakin's/Luke's lightsaber from esb, I wonder if they are going to do one storyline from a book .....
Only read the Thrawn series which I know has nothing to do with ESB, so having said that, here's my thought:

The black kid we keep seeing is Lando's son he had with Leia. They hooked up while Han was being tortured. She would have had plenty of time to sneak off and have the baby between ESB and ROTJ. Luke's lightsaber eventually turns up somewhere in Cloud City, ends up in Lando's possession and he gives it to his son when he goes off to join the Rebel Alliance.
I don't know how any of you could have missed this, it's so blantantly obvious.

 
Great trailer. Starting to geek out now, I'm all emotional that my son is going to see a new movie with Han Solo. I was his age when ESB came out.

 
No one here can post a spoiler for this movie unless they were involved with it. Everything is speculation and mentioning plot points from books or cartoons don't count as spoilers either IMO.

 
Question for anyone in the know or for whoever read the books. Spoiler tags if you must.

Who led the Empire after the Battle of Endor and the Death Star exploding?

 
I will never forget some of the cringe-worthy lines between Hayden/Portman in the prequals.

Anakin Skywalker: You are so... beautiful.

Padmé: It's only because I'm so in love.

Anakin Skywalker: No, it's because I'm so in love with you.

Padmé: So love has blinded you?

Anakin Skywalker: [laughs] Well, that's not exactly what I meant.

Padmé: But it's probably true.
The one thing truly epic aspect about the prequels was the level of terrible writing.

Actors get far too much credit for the success of a film when it is really the writers and director who are should receive the accolades (or shoulder the blame).

 
For those of you that were talking about if Lucas had all 9 stories already figured out...there was a video I saw somewhere online that somewhat addressed this. Lucas was doing some press for the animated movie he had something to do with recently. The interviewer asked him if he had given stories to the new people running SW. His reply was something along the lines of "yes, I gave them the treatments I had written up, but the decided to go in another direction." He looked both irritated and humbled when he gave the answer.

ETA - found a source - http://www.cinemablend.com/new/How-George-Lucas-Star-Wars-7-Ideas-Were-Used-By-Disney-69271.html

 
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Question for anyone in the know or for whoever read the books. Spoiler tags if you must.

Who led the Empire after the Battle of Endor and the Death Star exploding?
There was a period of confusion as to who's authority the imperial troops should follow. Thrawn basically took de facto control with Admiral Pellaeon falling under his lead. They tried to recruit a dark jedi named C'Baoth to give them the ege the emperor provided mentally.
 
I will never forget some of the cringe-worthy lines between Hayden/Portman in the prequals.

Anakin Skywalker: You are so... beautiful.

Padmé: It's only because I'm so in love.

Anakin Skywalker: No, it's because I'm so in love with you.

Padmé: So love has blinded you?

Anakin Skywalker: [laughs] Well, that's not exactly what I meant.

Padmé: But it's probably true.
The one thing truly epic aspect about the prequels was the level of terrible writing.

Actors get far too much credit for the success of a film when it is really the writers and director who are should receive the accolades (or shoulder the blame).
That really depends. Scripts get re-written on the fly all the time. Actors suggest changes, Directors have new ideas when they shoot the scenes. What it is safe to say is that noone in the creative chain of Director, Writer, or Actors said, "m an these lines are ####." Or they did and were shutdown.

 
Question for anyone in the know or for whoever read the books. Spoiler tags if you must.

Who led the Empire after the Battle of Endor and the Death Star exploding?
Thrawn basically took de facto control with Admiral Pellaeon falling under his lead. They tried to recruit a dark jedi named C'Baoth to give them the ege the emperor provided mentally.

I'm a pretty big Star Wards nerd and I literally don't understand a single word in those two sentences.
 
Question for anyone in the know or for whoever read the books. Spoiler tags if you must.

Who led the Empire after the Battle of Endor and the Death Star exploding?
Thrawn basically took de facto control with Admiral Pellaeon falling under his lead. They tried to recruit a dark jedi named C'Baoth to give them the ege the emperor provided mentally.
I'm a pretty big Star Wards nerd and I literally don't understand a single word in those two sentences.

Timothy Zahn "Heir to the Empire"
 
Pretty sure the relative no-name who played Anakin wasn't in a position to give dialogue notes to THE GEORGE LUCAS on a Star Wars film. Portman, young ObiWan and SLJackson maybe.

 
Pretty sure the relative no-name who played Anakin wasn't in a position to give dialogue notes to THE GEORGE LUCAS on a Star Wars film. Portman, young ObiWan and SLJackson maybe.
IM SICK OF THIS MOTHER####INg SCRIPT WITH THIS MOTHER####ING DIALOGUE!

YES ANAKIN DESERVES TO DIE AND I HOPE HE BURNS ON TATTOOINE!

 
Thunderlips said:
KarmaPolice said:
Hang 10 said:
KarmaPolice said:
Thunderlips said:
Not bad.......prolly see it when the crowd dies down. A little too much throwback BS.
"Throwback BS"?Wanting more Gungans or 8year olds who cant act?
I think it's a fair criticism. IF this movie is going to be any good, it needs to stand on it's own. The ONLY positive thing the prequels had was the nostalgia and they were miserable failures.
Disagree. That is not the only way for it to be good. I love that it looks to be a blend of the old guard while introducing what is next for the series. Would instantly be one of the best of the series if it has more practical effects and even above average acting.A big problem with the last three is we knew where the story was heading.
The problem with the last three wasn't that we knew were it was going. It was how they got there.

  • The Phantom Menace is unnecessary...and its bad in the sense that Lucas was trying, more or less to shoehorn it into the "standalone movie" that A New Hope was.
  • Hayden Christanson was a bad actor. You needed a guy to nail the dichotomy of emotions Anakin was supposed to be feeling.
  • They killed off their best visual villain in the first one. No need to replace Maul with Count Dooku.
The new one has promise....I just don't want to see a fapfest homage to the original ones. If the characters work organically in the story...that's great. If they're just shoehorning them in for name recognition/pop....the story will suffer.
I dont think it will be shoehorned in. My assumption is it has to so with some of their kids since the force has to be passed down somehow since the Jedi were wiped out.Hayden isnt a bad actor. He and others involved with those bad couple movies are fine in other things. Problem always has been that Lucas has no ear for dialogue and doesn't seem to be good at directing actors. More of an ideas man, and it is good that he handed ofc the franchise.
Hayden is an awful actor, but it's not all his fault. If you watch enough Woody Allen movies, he gets good performances out of people like Madonna and Scarlett Johansen. Lucas has no feel for acting.

Like, we're supposed to believe that this young Anakin was so alluring and charismatic that a queen found him irresistible? Hayden couldn't have bedded a truck stop waitress with that on-screen presence.
He was perfectly fine in Life as a House. Portman can act, as can most of the rest of the cast. I put the blame on Lucas as most come off wooden and robotic.
Not a fan of Portman aside from Black Swan. But no one ever accused Liam Neeson or Ewan McGregor of being bad actors.

 

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