STAR WARS: Episode 7 (All-Time #1 opening box office.) (1 Viewer)

[Insein]

I honestly don't remember much about Episode II. I'm sure I've seen it several times.

Yoda going ape #### on dooku.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

The ewoks didn't single handedly win the battle. They turned the tide and the rebel soldiers got freed. Then they started to lose until chewy got the AT-ST.

 

[Capella]

Is Star Wars Rebels good? It's a cartoon so I haven't gotten into it. Personally, I'm kind of annoyed that they are doing things in that time period, because I've had a dream for 10 years now of a movie called VADER that takes place between III and IV where Vader just routs the Jedi's, and I don't want them to forgo a movie because they are hamstrung by a "canon" cartoon.

Very good for what it is. My entire family watches it. Good stuff.

I just can't get into that kind of animation.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

A Vader stand alone between episodes 3 and 4 would be amazing.

 

[Capella]

A Vader stand alone between episodes 3 and 4 would be amazing.

I am certain that I read that this is in the plans.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

A Vader stand alone between episodes 3 and 4 would be amazing.

I am certain that I read that this is in the plans.

Would make a great video game, but I'm not sure how compelling a movie would be. They couldn't humanize Vader at all, he's the scariest mother###### in the universe in Episode IV and has that rep for a reason, no matter how hard they tried to ruin it with Hayden Christensen. It would basically be pure action, hunting Jedi and subjugating areas of the empire that resist...which sounds cool on the surface but can you get an entire movie out of that? Palpatine has all the pieces in place to take over his new Empire pretty easily by the end of Episode III, which must have gone pretty smoothly since by the time Episode IV rolls around most of the Empire has come to terms with the situation and only a small group of rebels still resist...and no one even really remembers the Jedi, they talk about them like they're ancient myths when it's only been less than 20 years. So the Jedi must not put up much of a fight, or for very long.

 

[GoFishTN]

A Vader stand alone between episodes 3 and 4 would be amazing.

I am certain that I read that this is in the plans.

Would make a great video game, but I'm not sure how compelling a movie would be. They couldn't humanize Vader at all, he's the scariest mother###### in the universe in Episode 4 and has that rep for a reason, no matter how hard they tried to ruin it with Hayden Christensen. It would basically be pure action, hunting Jedi and subjugating areas of the empire that resist...which sounds cool on the surface but can you get an entire movie out of that? Palpatine has all the pieces in place to take over his new Empire pretty easily by the end of Episode III, which must have gone pretty easily since by the time Episode IV rolls around most of the Empire has come to terms with the situation and only a small group of rebels still resist...and no one even really remembers the Jedi, they talk about them like they're ancient myths when it's only been less than 20 years. So the Jedi must not put up much of a fight, or for very long.

Another of my issues with the prequels. In the originals it seemed like everything they discussed (at least in my mind) had been 40 or 50 years ago, at least. Nope, just a decade or two.

 

[XNOUGHT]

Alright, I have to say my order is this

VI

IV

V

III

I

II

The overhype on Empire and the over downgrading of VI is crazy. The whole beginning where the gang reunites and then the Indiana Jones style takedown of Jabba the Hut is a Hall of Fame movie sequence. I get chills every time. It's just classic cinema. Then we also also have a scene 20 years ahead of it's time in the final battle with the Battle on Endor, Attack on the Death Star, and Luke's final showdown. Electric all the way through and iconic in every way. When the Super Star Destroyer goes down, man what a moment. The surprise of the Death Star working. Everything about it is great. The Ewoks getting #### on is understood in a way but the Storm Troopers killed a ton of Ewoks. We see the Storm Troopers getting killed, but they were massacring the Ewoks. They just overwhelmed them with massive attrition. The Empire planned for a small Rebel Shock force and were totally unprepared for that type of enemy. Add in the fact the whole gang was together for most of it, the great race through the trees, and the final moments with Yoda and it's an outstanding movie. Palpatine alone is just a great great villain.

As for Empire, don't get me started on this. Again, it's a really great movie but for most of the movie our gang isn't even together for it. They spend most of the time dealing with hyperdrive issues, are stuck on a ####ty cold planet, and a huge chunk of it is a slow training montage for Luke. The hype is way beyond what it deserves.

 

[Fly]

Alright, I have to say my order is this

VI

IV

V

III

I

II

The overhype on Empire and the over downgrading of VI is crazy. The whole beginning where the gang reunites and then the Indiana Jones style takedown of Jabba the Hut is a Hall of Fame movie sequence. I get chills every time. It's just classic cinema. Then we also also have a scene 20 years ahead of it's time in the final battle with the Battle on Endor, Attack on the Death Star, and Luke's final showdown. Electric all the way through and iconic in every way. When the Super Star Destroyer goes down, man what a moment. The surprise of the Death Star working. Everything about it is great. The Ewoks getting #### on is understood in a way but the Storm Troopers killed a ton of Ewoks. We see the Storm Troopers getting killed, but they were massacring the Ewoks. They just overwhelmed them with massive attrition. The Empire planned for a small Rebel Shock force and were totally unprepared for that type of enemy. Add in the fact the whole gang was together for most of it, the great race through the trees, and the final moments with Yoda and it's an outstanding movie. Palpatine alone is just a great great villain.

As for Empire, don't get me started on this. Again, it's a really great movie but for most of the movie our gang isn't even together for it. They spend most of the time dealing with hyperdrive issues, are stuck on a ####ty cold planet, and a huge chunk of it is a slow training montage for Luke. The hype is way beyond what it deserves.

I agree with you on VI. I like it more than most people. The three part climax is fantastic.

But I disagree on V, especially the scenes on Dagobah. They introduce us to Yoda and really explore the mysticism of the Force. Those scenes are key to Luke's transformation as a Jedi. We see his struggles and his failures (the cave most memorably). And when watched after VI they highlight how Luke is able avoid the same fate as Anakin/Vader. They might not be action-packed or exciting but they do the best job in the whole series of fleshing out a character's development and motivations (all the while delving into the overall mythology of Star Wars).

 

[deancheated]

Think family guy will spoof this one too?

 

[Insein]

A Vader stand alone between episodes 3 and 4 would be amazing.

I am certain that I read that this is in the plans.

Would make a great video game, but I'm not sure how compelling a movie would be. They couldn't humanize Vader at all, he's the scariest mother###### in the universe in Episode 4 and has that rep for a reason, no matter how hard they tried to ruin it with Hayden Christensen. It would basically be pure action, hunting Jedi and subjugating areas of the empire that resist...which sounds cool on the surface but can you get an entire movie out of that? Palpatine has all the pieces in place to take over his new Empire pretty easily by the end of Episode III, which must have gone pretty easily since by the time Episode IV rolls around most of the Empire has come to terms with the situation and only a small group of rebels still resist...and no one even really remembers the Jedi, they talk about them like they're ancient myths when it's only been less than 20 years. So the Jedi must not put up much of a fight, or for very long.

Another of my issues with the prequels. In the originals it seemed like everything they discussed (at least in my mind) had been 40 or 50 years ago, at least. Nope, just a decade or two.

I blame George for shoehorning the begining of the Empire in with Luke and Leias parents getting together.

 

[thayman]

A Vader stand alone between episodes 3 and 4 would be amazing.

I am certain that I read that this is in the plans.

Would make a great video game, but I'm not sure how compelling a movie would be. They couldn't humanize Vader at all, he's the scariest mother###### in the universe in Episode IV and has that rep for a reason, no matter how hard they tried to ruin it with Hayden Christensen. It would basically be pure action, hunting Jedi and subjugating areas of the empire that resist...which sounds cool on the surface but can you get an entire movie out of that? Palpatine has all the pieces in place to take over his new Empire pretty easily by the end of Episode III, which must have gone pretty smoothly since by the time Episode IV rolls around most of the Empire has come to terms with the situation and only a small group of rebels still resist...and no one even really remembers the Jedi, they talk about them like they're ancient myths when it's only been less than 20 years. So the Jedi must not put up much of a fight, or for very long.

Force Unleashed did a good job as a video game. It was a fun little story between III and IV.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

A Vader stand alone between episodes 3 and 4 would be amazing.

I am certain that I read that this is in the plans.

Would make a great video game, but I'm not sure how compelling a movie would be. They couldn't humanize Vader at all, he's the scariest mother###### in the universe in Episode 4 and has that rep for a reason, no matter how hard they tried to ruin it with Hayden Christensen. It would basically be pure action, hunting Jedi and subjugating areas of the empire that resist...which sounds cool on the surface but can you get an entire movie out of that? Palpatine has all the pieces in place to take over his new Empire pretty easily by the end of Episode III, which must have gone pretty easily since by the time Episode IV rolls around most of the Empire has come to terms with the situation and only a small group of rebels still resist...and no one even really remembers the Jedi, they talk about them like they're ancient myths when it's only been less than 20 years. So the Jedi must not put up much of a fight, or for very long.

Another of my issues with the prequels. In the originals it seemed like everything they discussed (at least in my mind) had been 40 or 50 years ago, at least. Nope, just a decade or two.

Right. Solo talks about the mythical Force like he doesn't even believe it existed. Ruling through subjugation and letting the local government stay in control means the Empire is one cohesive group, but Palpatine can't just erase thousands of years of Jedi history just by being scary.That, and they made the Clone Wars sound like it was such a mysterious thing, and I always got the impression there were clone on both sides, it went badly--hence, no more clones.

They screwed up the whole thing.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

A Vader stand alone between episodes 3 and 4 would be amazing.

I am certain that I read that this is in the plans.

Would make a great video game, but I'm not sure how compelling a movie would be. They couldn't humanize Vader at all, he's the scariest mother###### in the universe in Episode IV and has that rep for a reason, no matter how hard they tried to ruin it with Hayden Christensen. It would basically be pure action, hunting Jedi and subjugating areas of the empire that resist...which sounds cool on the surface but can you get an entire movie out of that? Palpatine has all the pieces in place to take over his new Empire pretty easily by the end of Episode III, which must have gone pretty smoothly since by the time Episode IV rolls around most of the Empire has come to terms with the situation and only a small group of rebels still resist...and no one even really remembers the Jedi, they talk about them like they're ancient myths when it's only been less than 20 years. So the Jedi must not put up much of a fight, or for very long.

Force Unleashed did a good job as a video game. It was a fun little story between III and IV.

Fun game, dumb story.Putting on my

That Vader has a secret cloned apprentice (or many of them) goes against everything we know about the Sith, and his single-minded devotion to the dark side and the Emperor that makes his evil turn even believable in the first place.

It makes sense that in the (now non-) canon books Palpatine had secret force-sensitive apprentices doing his secret bidding. Because he's the master manipulator more than a true believer in the Sith ways, and he needs to make Vader think he's special. For Vader to have someone like the player character in Force Unleashed was just dumb, although I loved the gameplay.

 

[NewlyRetired]

A Vader stand alone between episodes 3 and 4 would be amazing.

I am certain that I read that this is in the plans.

Would make a great video game, but I'm not sure how compelling a movie would be. They couldn't humanize Vader at all, he's the scariest mother###### in the universe in Episode 4 and has that rep for a reason, no matter how hard they tried to ruin it with Hayden Christensen. It would basically be pure action, hunting Jedi and subjugating areas of the empire that resist...which sounds cool on the surface but can you get an entire movie out of that? Palpatine has all the pieces in place to take over his new Empire pretty easily by the end of Episode III, which must have gone pretty easily since by the time Episode IV rolls around most of the Empire has come to terms with the situation and only a small group of rebels still resist...and no one even really remembers the Jedi, they talk about them like they're ancient myths when it's only been less than 20 years. So the Jedi must not put up much of a fight, or for very long.

Another of my issues with the prequels. In the originals it seemed like everything they discussed (at least in my mind) had been 40 or 50 years ago, at least. Nope, just a decade or two.

Right. Solo talks about the mythical Force like he doesn't even believe it existed. Ruling through subjugation and letting the local government stay in control means the Empire is one cohesive group, but Palpatine can't just erase thousands of years of Jedi history just by being scary.That, and they made the Clone Wars sound like it was such a mysterious thing, and I always got the impression there were clone on both sides, it went badly--hence, no more clones.

They screwed up the whole thing.

There were about 10,000 Jedi at the time of order 66.

Acoording to the wiki

"The population, of the nearly 70 million systems that the Empire was responsible for, amounted to more than 100 quadrillion beings"

It is plausible that with so few Jedi compared to the population that most of the Galaxy might have just considered them myth.

 

[Billy Bats]

A Vader stand alone between episodes 3 and 4 would be amazing.

I am certain that I read that this is in the plans.

Would make a great video game, but I'm not sure how compelling a movie would be. They couldn't humanize Vader at all, he's the scariest mother###### in the universe in Episode 4 and has that rep for a reason, no matter how hard they tried to ruin it with Hayden Christensen. It would basically be pure action, hunting Jedi and subjugating areas of the empire that resist...which sounds cool on the surface but can you get an entire movie out of that? Palpatine has all the pieces in place to take over his new Empire pretty easily by the end of Episode III, which must have gone pretty easily since by the time Episode IV rolls around most of the Empire has come to terms with the situation and only a small group of rebels still resist...and no one even really remembers the Jedi, they talk about them like they're ancient myths when it's only been less than 20 years. So the Jedi must not put up much of a fight, or for very long.

Another of my issues with the prequels. In the originals it seemed like everything they discussed (at least in my mind) had been 40 or 50 years ago, at least. Nope, just a decade or two.

Right. Solo talks about the mythical Force like he doesn't even believe it existed. Ruling through subjugation and letting the local government stay in control means the Empire is one cohesive group, but Palpatine can't just erase thousands of years of Jedi history just by being scary.That, and they made the Clone Wars sound like it was such a mysterious thing, and I always got the impression there were clone on both sides, it went badly--hence, no more clones.

They screwed up the whole thing.

There were about 10,000 Jedi at the time of order 66. Acoording to the wiki

"The population, of the nearly 70 million systems that the Empire was responsible for, amounted to more than 100 quadrillion beings"

It is plausible that with so few Jedi compared to the population that most of the Galaxy might have just considered them myth.

I don't know if the Empire expanded from what the republic was, but considering the Jedi ran the republic I would assume those systems in the republic would know they were real.

 

[NewlyRetired]

A Vader stand alone between episodes 3 and 4 would be amazing.

I am certain that I read that this is in the plans.

Would make a great video game, but I'm not sure how compelling a movie would be. They couldn't humanize Vader at all, he's the scariest mother###### in the universe in Episode 4 and has that rep for a reason, no matter how hard they tried to ruin it with Hayden Christensen. It would basically be pure action, hunting Jedi and subjugating areas of the empire that resist...which sounds cool on the surface but can you get an entire movie out of that? Palpatine has all the pieces in place to take over his new Empire pretty easily by the end of Episode III, which must have gone pretty easily since by the time Episode IV rolls around most of the Empire has come to terms with the situation and only a small group of rebels still resist...and no one even really remembers the Jedi, they talk about them like they're ancient myths when it's only been less than 20 years. So the Jedi must not put up much of a fight, or for very long.

Another of my issues with the prequels. In the originals it seemed like everything they discussed (at least in my mind) had been 40 or 50 years ago, at least. Nope, just a decade or two.

Right. Solo talks about the mythical Force like he doesn't even believe it existed. Ruling through subjugation and letting the local government stay in control means the Empire is one cohesive group, but Palpatine can't just erase thousands of years of Jedi history just by being scary.That, and they made the Clone Wars sound like it was such a mysterious thing, and I always got the impression there were clone on both sides, it went badly--hence, no more clones.

They screwed up the whole thing.

There were about 10,000 Jedi at the time of order 66. Acoording to the wiki

"The population, of the nearly 70 million systems that the Empire was responsible for, amounted to more than 100 quadrillion beings"

It is plausible that with so few Jedi compared to the population that most of the Galaxy might have just considered them myth.

I don't know if the Empire expanded from what the republic was, but considering the Jedi ran the republic I would assume those systems in the republic would know they were real.

The Galactic Senate ran the republic. They were both the legslative and executive branch.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

A Vader stand alone between episodes 3 and 4 would be amazing.

I am certain that I read that this is in the plans.

Would make a great video game, but I'm not sure how compelling a movie would be. They couldn't humanize Vader at all, he's the scariest mother###### in the universe in Episode 4 and has that rep for a reason, no matter how hard they tried to ruin it with Hayden Christensen. It would basically be pure action, hunting Jedi and subjugating areas of the empire that resist...which sounds cool on the surface but can you get an entire movie out of that? Palpatine has all the pieces in place to take over his new Empire pretty easily by the end of Episode III, which must have gone pretty easily since by the time Episode IV rolls around most of the Empire has come to terms with the situation and only a small group of rebels still resist...and no one even really remembers the Jedi, they talk about them like they're ancient myths when it's only been less than 20 years. So the Jedi must not put up much of a fight, or for very long.

Another of my issues with the prequels. In the originals it seemed like everything they discussed (at least in my mind) had been 40 or 50 years ago, at least. Nope, just a decade or two.

Right. Solo talks about the mythical Force like he doesn't even believe it existed. Ruling through subjugation and letting the local government stay in control means the Empire is one cohesive group, but Palpatine can't just erase thousands of years of Jedi history just by being scary.That, and they made the Clone Wars sound like it was such a mysterious thing, and I always got the impression there were clone on both sides, it went badly--hence, no more clones.

They screwed up the whole thing.

There were about 10,000 Jedi at the time of order 66. Acoording to the wiki

"The population, of the nearly 70 million systems that the Empire was responsible for, amounted to more than 100 quadrillion beings"

It is plausible that with so few Jedi compared to the population that most of the Galaxy might have just considered them myth.

I don't know if the Empire expanded from what the republic was, but considering the Jedi ran the republic I would assume those systems in the republic would know they were real.

The Galactic Senate ran the republic. They were both the legslative and executive branch.

They recruited Jedi from everywhere, though. Force sensitive kids had to come from everywhere to have that many Jedi at the height of the republic, since being force sensitive is rare. The Jedi Council would want every planet aware of what to do with their potential Jedi children, knowledge of their existence had to be extensive.

 

[NewlyRetired]

A Vader stand alone between episodes 3 and 4 would be amazing.

I am certain that I read that this is in the plans.

Would make a great video game, but I'm not sure how compelling a movie would be. They couldn't humanize Vader at all, he's the scariest mother###### in the universe in Episode 4 and has that rep for a reason, no matter how hard they tried to ruin it with Hayden Christensen. It would basically be pure action, hunting Jedi and subjugating areas of the empire that resist...which sounds cool on the surface but can you get an entire movie out of that? Palpatine has all the pieces in place to take over his new Empire pretty easily by the end of Episode III, which must have gone pretty easily since by the time Episode IV rolls around most of the Empire has come to terms with the situation and only a small group of rebels still resist...and no one even really remembers the Jedi, they talk about them like they're ancient myths when it's only been less than 20 years. So the Jedi must not put up much of a fight, or for very long.

Another of my issues with the prequels. In the originals it seemed like everything they discussed (at least in my mind) had been 40 or 50 years ago, at least. Nope, just a decade or two.

Right. Solo talks about the mythical Force like he doesn't even believe it existed. Ruling through subjugation and letting the local government stay in control means the Empire is one cohesive group, but Palpatine can't just erase thousands of years of Jedi history just by being scary.That, and they made the Clone Wars sound like it was such a mysterious thing, and I always got the impression there were clone on both sides, it went badly--hence, no more clones.

They screwed up the whole thing.

There were about 10,000 Jedi at the time of order 66. Acoording to the wiki

"The population, of the nearly 70 million systems that the Empire was responsible for, amounted to more than 100 quadrillion beings"

It is plausible that with so few Jedi compared to the population that most of the Galaxy might have just considered them myth.

I don't know if the Empire expanded from what the republic was, but considering the Jedi ran the republic I would assume those systems in the republic would know they were real.

The Galactic Senate ran the republic. They were both the legslative and executive branch.

They recruited Jedi from everywhere, though. Force sensitive kids had to come from everywhere to have that many Jedi at the height of the republic, since being force sensitive is rare. The Jedi Council would want every planet aware of what to do with their potential Jedi children, knowledge of their existence had to be extensive.

I agree with you but when Harrison Ford said that line in 1977, none of this back story existed. The time line filled in many years later.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

A Vader stand alone between episodes 3 and 4 would be amazing.

I am certain that I read that this is in the plans.

Would make a great video game, but I'm not sure how compelling a movie would be. They couldn't humanize Vader at all, he's the scariest mother###### in the universe in Episode 4 and has that rep for a reason, no matter how hard they tried to ruin it with Hayden Christensen. It would basically be pure action, hunting Jedi and subjugating areas of the empire that resist...which sounds cool on the surface but can you get an entire movie out of that? Palpatine has all the pieces in place to take over his new Empire pretty easily by the end of Episode III, which must have gone pretty easily since by the time Episode IV rolls around most of the Empire has come to terms with the situation and only a small group of rebels still resist...and no one even really remembers the Jedi, they talk about them like they're ancient myths when it's only been less than 20 years. So the Jedi must not put up much of a fight, or for very long.

Another of my issues with the prequels. In the originals it seemed like everything they discussed (at least in my mind) had been 40 or 50 years ago, at least. Nope, just a decade or two.

Right. Solo talks about the mythical Force like he doesn't even believe it existed. Ruling through subjugation and letting the local government stay in control means the Empire is one cohesive group, but Palpatine can't just erase thousands of years of Jedi history just by being scary.That, and they made the Clone Wars sound like it was such a mysterious thing, and I always got the impression there were clone on both sides, it went badly--hence, no more clones.

They screwed up the whole thing.

There were about 10,000 Jedi at the time of order 66. Acoording to the wiki

"The population, of the nearly 70 million systems that the Empire was responsible for, amounted to more than 100 quadrillion beings"

It is plausible that with so few Jedi compared to the population that most of the Galaxy might have just considered them myth.

I don't know if the Empire expanded from what the republic was, but considering the Jedi ran the republic I would assume those systems in the republic would know they were real.

The Galactic Senate ran the republic. They were both the legslative and executive branch.

They recruited Jedi from everywhere, though. Force sensitive kids had to come from everywhere to have that many Jedi at the height of the republic, since being force sensitive is rare. The Jedi Council would want every planet aware of what to do with their potential Jedi children, knowledge of their existence had to be extensive.

I agree with you but when Harrison Ford said that line in 1977, none of this back story existed. The time line filled in many years later.

For sure. But that's the fault of Lucas. It's not even just Expanded Universe stuff, in the prequels he made the Jedi so numerous and multi-species that it's obvious knowledge of them should have been normal throughout the galaxy...the timeline should have been more spread apart, but he wanted Anakin to tie everything together.

I remember being a kid and reading the novels, and being pissed they killed off the better book Anakin to avoid confusion with the crappy movie Anakin. Now years later I'm no longer reading Star Wars books, but the stories stick with you, and pretty much everything I ever read in those books feels more canon than the prequels, and feels more like Star Wars.

And to steer this back towards episode VII and away from the stuff only a few of us care about, that's why I'm excited for the new movie. I think it will recapture that Star Wars feel that the prequels lacked for me, even when they came out and I was rosier about them--they were too fake, too shiny, too CGI'd in an obvious way even outside of the story, acting, and dialogue. You can tell just from this trailer that Abrams "gets" what vintage Star Wars feels like and that that's what we fell in love with. Lucas forgot that.

 

[Billy Bats]

A Vader stand alone between episodes 3 and 4 would be amazing.

I am certain that I read that this is in the plans.

Would make a great video game, but I'm not sure how compelling a movie would be. They couldn't humanize Vader at all, he's the scariest mother###### in the universe in Episode 4 and has that rep for a reason, no matter how hard they tried to ruin it with Hayden Christensen. It would basically be pure action, hunting Jedi and subjugating areas of the empire that resist...which sounds cool on the surface but can you get an entire movie out of that? Palpatine has all the pieces in place to take over his new Empire pretty easily by the end of Episode III, which must have gone pretty easily since by the time Episode IV rolls around most of the Empire has come to terms with the situation and only a small group of rebels still resist...and no one even really remembers the Jedi, they talk about them like they're ancient myths when it's only been less than 20 years. So the Jedi must not put up much of a fight, or for very long.

Another of my issues with the prequels. In the originals it seemed like everything they discussed (at least in my mind) had been 40 or 50 years ago, at least. Nope, just a decade or two.

Right. Solo talks about the mythical Force like he doesn't even believe it existed. Ruling through subjugation and letting the local government stay in control means the Empire is one cohesive group, but Palpatine can't just erase thousands of years of Jedi history just by being scary.That, and they made the Clone Wars sound like it was such a mysterious thing, and I always got the impression there were clone on both sides, it went badly--hence, no more clones.

They screwed up the whole thing.

There were about 10,000 Jedi at the time of order 66. Acoording to the wiki

"The population, of the nearly 70 million systems that the Empire was responsible for, amounted to more than 100 quadrillion beings"

It is plausible that with so few Jedi compared to the population that most of the Galaxy might have just considered them myth.

I don't know if the Empire expanded from what the republic was, but considering the Jedi ran the republic I would assume those systems in the republic would know they were real.

The Galactic Senate ran the republic. They were both the legslative and executive branch.

Ahhh the senate. Thanks for the correction.

 

[MikeIke]

You can tell just from this trailer that Abrams "gets" what vintage Star Wars feels like and that that's what we fell in love with. Lucas forgot that.

I get the same impression. The previews we've seen so far just feel more like Star Wars than the prequels did .

Sure, they could still screw it up, but I have high hopes for the new movie. I've already promised my boys that we'll go see a midnight screening of it.

 

[Billy Bats]

You can tell just from this trailer that Abrams "gets" what vintage Star Wars feels like and that that's what we fell in love with. Lucas forgot that.

I get the same impression. The previews we've seen so far just feel more like Star Wars than the prequels did .

Sure, they could still screw it up, but I have high hopes for the new movie. I've already promised my boys that we'll go see a midnight screening of it.

Just his belief alone in building sets and having real props and actors in alien costumes is proof(to me anyway) that these are going to be awesome.

 

[Insein]

A Vader stand alone between episodes 3 and 4 would be amazing.

I am certain that I read that this is in the plans.

Would make a great video game, but I'm not sure how compelling a movie would be. They couldn't humanize Vader at all, he's the scariest mother###### in the universe in Episode 4 and has that rep for a reason, no matter how hard they tried to ruin it with Hayden Christensen. It would basically be pure action, hunting Jedi and subjugating areas of the empire that resist...which sounds cool on the surface but can you get an entire movie out of that? Palpatine has all the pieces in place to take over his new Empire pretty easily by the end of Episode III, which must have gone pretty easily since by the time Episode IV rolls around most of the Empire has come to terms with the situation and only a small group of rebels still resist...and no one even really remembers the Jedi, they talk about them like they're ancient myths when it's only been less than 20 years. So the Jedi must not put up much of a fight, or for very long.

Another of my issues with the prequels. In the originals it seemed like everything they discussed (at least in my mind) had been 40 or 50 years ago, at least. Nope, just a decade or two.

Right. Solo talks about the mythical Force like he doesn't even believe it existed. Ruling through subjugation and letting the local government stay in control means the Empire is one cohesive group, but Palpatine can't just erase thousands of years of Jedi history just by being scary.That, and they made the Clone Wars sound like it was such a mysterious thing, and I always got the impression there were clone on both sides, it went badly--hence, no more clones.

They screwed up the whole thing.

There were about 10,000 Jedi at the time of order 66. Acoording to the wiki

"The population, of the nearly 70 million systems that the Empire was responsible for, amounted to more than 100 quadrillion beings"

It is plausible that with so few Jedi compared to the population that most of the Galaxy might have just considered them myth.

I don't know if the Empire expanded from what the republic was, but considering the Jedi ran the republic I would assume those systems in the republic would know they were real.

The Galactic Senate ran the republic. They were both the legslative and executive branch.

They recruited Jedi from everywhere, though. Force sensitive kids had to come from everywhere to have that many Jedi at the height of the republic, since being force sensitive is rare. The Jedi Council would want every planet aware of what to do with their potential Jedi children, knowledge of their existence had to be extensive.

I agree with you but when Harrison Ford said that line in 1977, none of this back story existed. The time line filled in many years later.

His damn partner fought with Yoda on Kashyyk and chewie never once says, uh Han yea that ####s real.

 

[NewlyRetired]

His damn partner fought with Yoda on Kashyyk and chewie never once says, uh Han yea that ####s real.

When I was a kid, part of the charm of the relationship was that I always thought Han had no idea what Chewie was saying and just made stuff up like when someone pretends they are talking to a doll

 

[Insein]

Plus it is kind of ridiculous time wise because WW2 happened 70 years ago and we have some great footage of it considering. You mean to tell me with all that technology no one had footage of the clone war out there somewhere on the extranet only 20 years after?

I give Lucas a pass on a lot but the damn time line annoys me to no end.

 

[joey]

You can tell just from this trailer that Abrams "gets" what vintage Star Wars feels like and that that's what we fell in love with. Lucas forgot that.

I get the same impression. The previews we've seen so far just feel more like Star Wars than the prequels did .

Sure, they could still screw it up, but I have high hopes for the new movie. I've already promised my boys that we'll go see a midnight screening of it.

Just his belief alone in building sets and having real props and actors in alien costumes is proof(to me anyway) that these are going to be awesome.

Like when George made the original trilogy, he had similar goals when making the prequels: pushing technology in filmmaking. Digital cameras, fully virtual/cg sets, performing on green screen, fully digital characters (say what you will about JarJar, but he was one of the very first fully digital supporting actors), pushing for digital projection in theaters, etc, etc. Stuff that was very innovative in the late 90s/early 2000s but is a standard part of the movie making process now. I totally agree that the prequels were not as good story, dialogue and acting-wise as any of us would've hoped, but George was certainly pushing the tech of filmmaking. Ep7 looks great, don't get me wrong, but the style and look of the film is not pushing the innovation of filmmaking and effects, IMO, like the films they're trying to look like (original trilogy) but that original trilogy was ground-breaking effects work at the time. Now it's kind of bread and butter effects work for the most part. That's totally fine since that's not the goal of these films. But is WAS a goal for all of George's fIlms. (Heck, it's one of the main reasons that ILM was established and available to work on non-Lucas films: to continue to innovate the art and tech of film making and give directors and story tellers new ways to bring their crazy, awesome ideas to life.)

Ps. I know that has nothing to do with whether you enjoy a movie or not, which is really the most important thing after all. I'm just stating the facts for the record.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

All 7 Star Wars teaser trailers.

http://youtu.be/WniCDigF6xo

 

[Chaka]

10,000 Jedi in a universe with hundreds of planets and species and we think it's odd that people talk about them in mythological terms 20 years after their disappearance? In a universe that size I am betting that most people talked about them in mythological terms at the time of the prequels.

 

[Insein]

10,000 Jedi in a universe with hundreds of planets and species and we think it's odd that people talk about them in mythological terms 20 years after their disappearance? In a universe that size I am betting that most people talked about them in mythological terms at the time of the prequels.

With a fully functional extranet that could broadcast games from Tatooine on Coruscant and send sublight transmissions from Naboo to Tatooine with crystal clarity? Plus with how visible they were on Coruscant having their own palace for all to see, its a wonder they didn't have their own TV show.

 

[TheIronSheik]

10,000 Jedi in a universe with hundreds of planets and species and we think it's odd that people talk about them in mythological terms 20 years after their disappearance? In a universe that size I am betting that most people talked about them in mythological terms at the time of the prequels.

With a fully functional extranet that could broadcast games from Tatooine on Coruscant and send sublight transmissions from Naboo to Tatooine with crystal clarity? Plus with how visible they were on Coruscant having their own palace for all to see, its a wonder they didn't have their own TV show.

Keeping Up With The Skywalkers

 

[B-Deep]

Is Star Wars Rebels good? It's a cartoon so I haven't gotten into it. Personally, I'm kind of annoyed that they are doing things in that time period, because I've had a dream for 10 years now of a movie called VADER that takes place between III and IV where Vader just routs the Jedi's, and I don't want them to forgo a movie because they are hamstrung by a "canon" cartoon.

Yes, very entertaining!*

*we have already established i eat star wars up like crack-skittles, so i may not be the most objective judge

 

[B-Deep]

based on nostalgia..

V

IV

III

VI

II

I

based on actual film quality

III

V

IV

II

I

VI

 

[Insein]

10,000 Jedi in a universe with hundreds of planets and species and we think it's odd that people talk about them in mythological terms 20 years after their disappearance? In a universe that size I am betting that most people talked about them in mythological terms at the time of the prequels.

With a fully functional extranet that could broadcast games from Tatooine on Coruscant and send sublight transmissions from Naboo to Tatooine with crystal clarity? Plus with how visible they were on Coruscant having their own palace for all to see, its a wonder they didn't have their own TV show.

Keeping Up With The Skywalkers

Jedi Idol - Winner enters the Jedi Academy

 

[Insein]

based on nostalgia..

V

IV

III

VI

II

I

based on actual film quality

III

V

IV

II

I

VI

V should be at the top of every list if we're talking film quality. Its not just the effects. The plot, the acting, the settings were all taken up a notch. This isn't just a great Star Wars movie or Sci Fi movie. Empire is a great movie period.

 

[TheIronSheik]

10,000 Jedi in a universe with hundreds of planets and species and we think it's odd that people talk about them in mythological terms 20 years after their disappearance? In a universe that size I am betting that most people talked about them in mythological terms at the time of the prequels.

With a fully functional extranet that could broadcast games from Tatooine on Coruscant and send sublight transmissions from Naboo to Tatooine with crystal clarity? Plus with how visible they were on Coruscant having their own palace for all to see, its a wonder they didn't have their own TV show.

Keeping Up With The Skywalkers

Jedi Idol - Winner enters the Jedi Academy

I'd watch that.

 

[B-Deep]

based on nostalgia..

V

IV

III

VI

II

I

based on actual film quality

III

V

IV

II

I

VI

V should be at the top of every list if we're talking film quality. Its not just the effects. The plot, the acting, the settings were all taken up a notch. This isn't just a great Star Wars movie or Sci Fi movie. Empire is a great movie period.

I debate 5 and 3

love them both

the final factor to me was the climatic scene in 5 is probably where vader is luke's father, i loved it at the time but i think the scene between anakin and obi wan in 3 is a tad better to watch. IT did not have the impact of the father scene because it was like seeing the titantic sink, you knew it was coming, but it is a great great scene imo.

 

[B-Deep]

it is nitpicking to me though

 

[Insein]

based on nostalgia..

V

IV

III

VI

II

I

based on actual film quality

III

V

IV

II

I

VI

V should be at the top of every list if we're talking film quality. Its not just the effects. The plot, the acting, the settings were all taken up a notch. This isn't just a great Star Wars movie or Sci Fi movie. Empire is a great movie period.

I debate 5 and 3love them both

the final factor to me was the climatic scene in 5 is probably where vader is luke's father, i loved it at the time but i think the scene between anakin and obi wan in 3 is a tad better to watch. IT did not have the impact of the father scene because it was like seeing the titantic sink, you knew it was coming, but it is a great great scene imo.

I agree with that scene being good but its the follow up that wins it for 5. In 3 its like a formality that we're cleaning up the loose ends and going through the motions. In 5, they're still trying to escape Vader even after that scene. They're still in the #### and you feel like "oh my god, how is Luke getting out of this?!" He's hanging upside down from a freaking cloud city with no Obiwan to save him, no Han to save him and no way to contact anyone else. Then the telepathic conversation with his son while the Falcon is desperately trying to jump to hyperspace gives you chills.

Five destroys 3 at the end. I like 3 a lot but Empire strikes back is an all time classic movie.

 

[Chaka]

10,000 Jedi in a universe with hundreds of planets and species and we think it's odd that people talk about them in mythological terms 20 years after their disappearance? In a universe that size I am betting that most people talked about them in mythological terms at the time of the prequels.

With a fully functional extranet that could broadcast games from Tatooine on Coruscant and send sublight transmissions from Naboo to Tatooine with crystal clarity? Plus with how visible they were on Coruscant having their own palace for all to see, its a wonder they didn't have their own TV show.

We have universal communication now.

How much does the average non-catholic know about Catholicism? Or how much does the average non-Chinese person know about China? And there are something like a billion of each of those groups?

Nah I'll continue to believe in my blaster TYVM.

 

[Insein]

10,000 Jedi in a universe with hundreds of planets and species and we think it's odd that people talk about them in mythological terms 20 years after their disappearance? In a universe that size I am betting that most people talked about them in mythological terms at the time of the prequels.

With a fully functional extranet that could broadcast games from Tatooine on Coruscant and send sublight transmissions from Naboo to Tatooine with crystal clarity? Plus with how visible they were on Coruscant having their own palace for all to see, its a wonder they didn't have their own TV show.

We have universal communication now.How much does the average non-catholic know about Catholicism? Or how much does the average non-Chinese person know about China? And there are something like a billion of each of those groups?

Nah I'll continue to believe in my blaster TYVM.

Well for a guy as well traveled as Han Solo (going from one side of the galaxy to the other and all), you'd think he'd have heard of the force and the Jedi especially since he was alive when the clone wars were happening.

 

[Chaka]

10,000 Jedi in a universe with hundreds of planets and species and we think it's odd that people talk about them in mythological terms 20 years after their disappearance? In a universe that size I am betting that most people talked about them in mythological terms at the time of the prequels.

With a fully functional extranet that could broadcast games from Tatooine on Coruscant and send sublight transmissions from Naboo to Tatooine with crystal clarity? Plus with how visible they were on Coruscant having their own palace for all to see, its a wonder they didn't have their own TV show.

We have universal communication now.How much does the average non-catholic know about Catholicism? Or how much does the average non-Chinese person know about China? And there are something like a billion of each of those groups?

Nah I'll continue to believe in my blaster TYVM.

Well for a guy as well traveled as Han Solo (going from one side of the galaxy to the other and all), you'd think he'd have heard of the force and the Jedi especially since he was alive when the clone wars were happening.

I agree but it isn't that crazy. Again, hundreds of planets, hundreds of sentient species and only 10,000 Jedi. It's not that much of a stretch.

And why are we saying that Han didn't even know about Jedi and The Force? Did he ever say something like "Never heard of them?"

Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.

Hokey religons and ancient weapons are no match for a blaster by your side.

 

[GoFishTN]

based on actual film quality

III

V

IV

II

I

VI

Jut out of curiosity, when was the last time you watched these movies?

 

[B-Deep]

10,000 Jedi in a universe with hundreds of planets and species and we think it's odd that people talk about them in mythological terms 20 years after their disappearance? In a universe that size I am betting that most people talked about them in mythological terms at the time of the prequels.

With a fully functional extranet that could broadcast games from Tatooine on Coruscant and send sublight transmissions from Naboo to Tatooine with crystal clarity? Plus with how visible they were on Coruscant having their own palace for all to see, its a wonder they didn't have their own TV show.

We have universal communication now.How much does the average non-catholic know about Catholicism? Or how much does the average non-Chinese person know about China? And there are something like a billion of each of those groups?

Nah I'll continue to believe in my blaster TYVM.

Well for a guy as well traveled as Han Solo (going from one side of the galaxy to the other and all), you'd think he'd have heard of the force and the Jedi especially since he was alive when the clone wars were happening.

well

you'd also think the rebels would have sent a pilot as good as solo in to attck a death star instead of sending him on some teddy bear commando raid

but you'd also think they'd send in their best pilot, the one with super powers who blew up the only other death star ever built

but you'd be wrong, he went on the teddy bear hunt too

it's best not to apply to fine grained of filter on the continuity and/or strategic plans in these movies

 

[B-Deep]

based on actual film quality

III

V

IV

II

I

VI

Jut out of curiosity, when was the last time you watched these movies?

i could not give you a date

not long ago

i almost bought them all digital, but decided to hold off, i have seen them all multiple times

 

[Insein]

10,000 Jedi in a universe with hundreds of planets and species and we think it's odd that people talk about them in mythological terms 20 years after their disappearance? In a universe that size I am betting that most people talked about them in mythological terms at the time of the prequels.

With a fully functional extranet that could broadcast games from Tatooine on Coruscant and send sublight transmissions from Naboo to Tatooine with crystal clarity? Plus with how visible they were on Coruscant having their own palace for all to see, its a wonder they didn't have their own TV show.

We have universal communication now.How much does the average non-catholic know about Catholicism? Or how much does the average non-Chinese person know about China? And there are something like a billion of each of those groups?

Nah I'll continue to believe in my blaster TYVM.

Well for a guy as well traveled as Han Solo (going from one side of the galaxy to the other and all), you'd think he'd have heard of the force and the Jedi especially since he was alive when the clone wars were happening.

wellyou'd also think the rebels would have sent a pilot as good as solo in to attck a death star instead of sending him on some teddy bear commando raid

but you'd also think they'd send in their best pilot, the one with super powers who blew up the only other death star ever built

but you'd be wrong, he went on the teddy bear hunt too

it's best not to apply to fine grained of filter on the continuity and/or strategic plans in these movies

Oh I know and it just goes back to my anger out how ####ed up this time line is. I mean, humans live to like 150 in this galaxy. So they easily could have had Obiwan be in his 80's or 90's and have the Clone wars well in the past. Have Vader be older than Amidala because him being a kid is just stupid.

Everything was just shoved together for convenience.

 

[B Maverick]

Han Solo: Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.

Luke Skywalker: You don't believe in the Force, do you?
Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.

 

[B-Deep]

Think leia ever force chokes han's chicken? if you catch my drift.....

 

[Chaka]

Han Solo: Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.

Luke Skywalker: You don't believe in the Force, do you?

Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.

Yup. I don't see anything to suggest that he never heard of Jedi or The Force just that he didn't buy into the things he heard. Heck, substitute "Jesus (or Mohammad or whatever)" for "Force" and "planet" for "galaxy" and it sounds like a timschochet thread.

 

[Chaka]

Think leia ever force chokes han's chicken? if you catch my drift.....

Not catching your drift, could you be more specific?