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Star Wars The Last Jedi Episode 8 thread: this thread sucks, you should avoid it even after you've seen the movie (1 Viewer)
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Dedfin
Footballguy
Woe to the man who presumes what gets a particular woman's loins aroused.
So? Why did you dislike these parts?
How? I mean, not in the existential sense that everything is a waste of time due to entropy and/or likelihood that we are merely a simulation with no power over the universe whatsoever. It appears you dislike that arm of the movie. Why? Just because it didn't lead to the solution to the problem? I actually liked that aspect.
Most of the movie's critics here do. I think you (and I) are in the minority here. Obviously Johnson thought it was worth noting.
Zow
Footballguy
The new one over new hope? Your subjective opinion is very wrong.Rogue One
Empire
Force Awakens
Last Jedi
New Hope
Return of the Jedi
Sith
Clones
Whatever episode 1 was called
Zow
Footballguy
Saw it last night and was disappointed. So much potential with Luke but instead he’s a whiny #####. The attempts to make Ben solo out to be the next darth Vader fell short because he’s also just a whiny #####. Seriously, he just isn’t a good bad guy.
Rey was good and I really want her backstory. Which this movie did nothing with. Also rolled my eyes at her complete lack of training yet she’s now a Jedi master.
I liked snoke and thought his red room and red guards were awesome. Yet there was like no story there when there’s a ton of potential since the sith were extinct after vi.
The Vegas planet was very cool initially but fell flat with the del toro character. Plus Finn just isn’t that interesting anymore.
Also, the universe just felt small. I used to always be impressed with the vast galaxy created, but that just wasn’t present in this one.
Some seriously bad plot holes:
- Vader tracked a homing beacon through light speed in iv.
- yoda the ghost making physical contact
- leia space nonsense
- light speed runs on a different fuel
Anyway, I’ll shut up now and concede the action was pretty good, but this one was only better than I and II and the writing sucked.
Rey was good and I really want her backstory. Which this movie did nothing with. Also rolled my eyes at her complete lack of training yet she’s now a Jedi master.
I liked snoke and thought his red room and red guards were awesome. Yet there was like no story there when there’s a ton of potential since the sith were extinct after vi.
The Vegas planet was very cool initially but fell flat with the del toro character. Plus Finn just isn’t that interesting anymore.
Also, the universe just felt small. I used to always be impressed with the vast galaxy created, but that just wasn’t present in this one.
Some seriously bad plot holes:
- Vader tracked a homing beacon through light speed in iv.
- yoda the ghost making physical contact
- leia space nonsense
- light speed runs on a different fuel
Anyway, I’ll shut up now and concede the action was pretty good, but this one was only better than I and II and the writing sucked.
Zow
Footballguy
He wasn’t one at the end of vi. That was like the whole point. He turned into a badass. So there’s so much potential there.Luke a whiny #####? So exactly the same character he has always been?
But I don’t want to go to Toshi Station!
But instead he tosses his fathers light saber over his shoulder in his first scene.
Capella
Footballguy
I also like the "lack of training" for Rey as a complaint. Like, one of the underlying parts of the original trilogy is the complete lack of training for Luke.Luke a whiny #####? So exactly the same character he has always been?
But I don’t want to go to Toshi Station!
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the moops
Footballguy
Seriously. Luke was a badass jedi, but he whined incessantly through most of the originals
SWC
Bromigo
as to the complaints about the vegas planet brohans when you read books that in the sw universe they talk about how the empire was incredibly political with being stationed on different worlds for training meaning that you would advance faster and how the building weapons is a big deal for recruits annd how empire officers were always fighting for credit trying to sidetrack others and so on you saw some of it in rouge 1 in short they paint a picture that fits perfectly with the whole idea of arms dealers being the power behind the throne and having incredible wealth and political power so to everyone complaining about that read the books take that to the bank brohans
SWC
Bromigo
and i do think that tossing the lightsaver over the shoulder was equal to luke looking for this powerful jedi master blah blah blah and finding a muppet green troll dude its the same sort of dont get your hopes up crazy ivan maneuver the only difference now is the internet and holier than though pseudo jedis posting on it take that to the bank bromigos
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
He wasn't that way in Jedi.Luke a whiny #####? So exactly the same character he has always been?
But I don’t want to go to Toshi Station!
And he DID want to go to Toshi Station. #pickinguppowerconverters
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Luke was the same Luke he's always been. I'm disappointed they killed him off so quickly.
-ETA I agree with SWCs angle on Luke acting a little like Yoda did in Empire.
On the lightspeed jump that basically annihilated an entire fleet of star destroyers..... If that was possible I imagine a new weapon would be formed from it or the rebels would do it all the time.
The Asian woman kamikaze stood out to me but I'm not sure if it's because of the PC word we live in or if it's because I've studied so much of the war in the Pacific.
-ETA I agree with SWCs angle on Luke acting a little like Yoda did in Empire.
On the lightspeed jump that basically annihilated an entire fleet of star destroyers..... If that was possible I imagine a new weapon would be formed from it or the rebels would do it all the time.
The Asian woman kamikaze stood out to me but I'm not sure if it's because of the PC word we live in or if it's because I've studied so much of the war in the Pacific.
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Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
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Bromigo
on the bomb thing brohans they have gravity on the star destoryers and even on other smaller ships like the falcon and x wings and thai fighters or else when they showed snoke or vader they would be trying to hang on to chairs and food would just be floating by or whatever so why wouldnt that gravity extend out beyond the ship a little bit to where a bomber could drop bombs and have them fall in to the ship that makes sense to me take that to the bank
Dedfin
Footballguy
SWC
Bromigo
and before anyone gets going on about why would they use gravity bombs instead of just lasering it to dust well who knows star wars has always had some wierd weapon stuff like that take for instance empire strikes back brohans they have laser handguns and yet the rebellion says hey lets have a secret base where our lasers have gigantic satelite dishes on them that you can see from dagobar that will fool them makes no sense or for instance in that same movie they resort to using tow ropes off of airspeeders to attack heavily armored at ats brohans why would any spaceship need a tow rope its not like chewie is calling up lando and going rraaaarwrrr i got my ship stuck in a space ditch rawwwrrrr can you grab the landspeeder with the towing package and get over here raaawwwwrrr my advice is to just enjoy the movies and stop being so critical of everything cripes take that to the bank bormigos
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The Future Champs
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Good point. But still, I’ve figured out some of the things that piss them off (mostly by trial and error), and mutiny seems like an obvious no-no.
Bombers. In space. Zero gravity. Bomb bay doors opening, and there’s no rush of air escaping into the vacuum. There’s suspending disbelief (i.e. the Force) and then there’s just dumb. Space bombers are just dumb.
And Snoke was another waste of time. A couple of weakly written scenes to build him up as the baddest of the bad, and then he’s dead. Did anyone care? Was it a great moment? Normally, killing off the head bad guy should be a great moment.
Another beef: listening to their strategy sessions is just painful. “Our energy weapons will never penetrate their shields.” “We’ll have to launch fighters.” It’s like none of these yahoos has ever done any training or prep. Wait, our energy weapons won’t penetrate their shields? Holy Crap!
The real reason for the boring expose is that every basic plot point gets spoon fed to the audience, slowly, so even the dimmest person watching can keep up.
Yes, I didn’t like that arm of the movie b/c it was irrelevant to the main storyline, and that’s crappy writing.
The casino was so uninspired.
I almost barfed when the AT-ATs top got blown off to reveal that the stupid little droid was the one shooting up the place.
Plus, I’m actually interested in what they do with Benecio’s character, as they almost guaranteed to bring him back. He was clearly brought in and set up to be the next Han Solo, the lovable space pirate/rogue. But he then got a lot of rebels killed, and that really has to be paid back in blood. However, my guess is they gloss over that, just like they glossed over the mutiny.
Most of the movie's critics here do. I think you (and I) are in the minority here. Obviously Johnson thought it was worth noting.
The Future Champs
Footballguy
Ya, it’s not like they were inventing yoda for the first time. They had a perfectly good template to work off, and they screwed it up.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
I felt a real pang of empathy for the multi-millionaires that are tasked with having to entertain legions of mouth-breathers.
PIK95
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Dedfin
Footballguy
I disagree with some of this, but I appreciate the post dude. Bombers in space is fine with me. The gravity issue is minor. The vacuum issue was ignored several times in this movie and I'm not going to bother checking if it is at least consistent with the OT, but some of your issues are consistent with the OT like stupid strategy dialogue: "Their armors too strong for blasters!" I didn't have a problem with Snoke dying when he did because he can be powerful and merely a stepping stone at the same time. Other cool characters were killed off before we got to know them. I mean, Boba Fett had like 8 words in 2 movies. Tarkin was cool as #### and he didn't get much time either. Of course this hinges on the third movie making Kylo is pretty tough dude, or else yes it's pretty disappointing.
I think the one thing I agree with most is
and there is nothing that can be done about it, since it's a massive franchise it needs to cater to nearly everyone. That doesn't keep it from being a good movie in my opinion.
Dedfin
Footballguy
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Wait a minute.... people who have never had any issues with X-Wings and whatnot navigating in the vacuum of space like they're flying through air are now taking issue with the need for gravity for bombers.
AcerFC
Footballguy
They do. It's just that people born in a galaxy far far away, a very long time ago, have little sloth like things like Kahn used implanted in them when they are born. That way everyone speaks their native tongue. It is just translated to English so that we don't have to read subtitles.
tommyboy
Footballguy
My 11 yr old son has the older Xbox 360 version of Lego Star Wars. We popped it into the Xbox one, two days ago and had no saved data so had to start the game from the very beginning.
Two days later we are 65% done. God I love that game. And it brings back memories of the older movies as well.
For all the complaining people do about these sequels they sure do miss the big picture.
We are really lucky to be alive during two of the greatest epic movie stories ever. Star Wars and Harry Potter.
Two days later we are 65% done. God I love that game. And it brings back memories of the older movies as well.
For all the complaining people do about these sequels they sure do miss the big picture.
We are really lucky to be alive during two of the greatest epic movie stories ever. Star Wars and Harry Potter.
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bagger
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And he clearly completed his training...oh wait yoda specifically said he didn’t and not to go to cloud city.
You know, I'm gonna have to go with the actor, Mark Hamil, on this one. He said he had to imagine he was playing Jack Skywalker or something because this character was not his Luke.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Then why does 3CPO speak 6 million languages and play a role as an interpreter numerous times?
AcerFC
Footballguy
I liked the movie a lot, but my biggest personal gripe tracks this. For example, in my mind at least, there’s no way the Luke as we saw him through ROTJ would be contemplating murdering his own nephew in his sleep 20 years later. It makes sense in terms of the narrative they are building for this trilogy, but I don’t think it is a very logical extension of where we last saw him.
tommyboy
Footballguy
can't imagine a 25 yr old Luke would be the same as a 65 yr old luke. I couldn't play me from 25 years ago.
GregR
Footballguy
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
He's a virgin that desperately wants to bang his sister so some whining isn't unexpected.
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Well then, good to know those who have issues with TLJ have had these issues for 40 years now.
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
I brought my family to a bistro style theater to see it. So I figured out how to make an already expensive couple of experience into a REALLY expensive two hour experience. Highly recommend it though. Having wine delivered to your seat is $$$. It may have taken away from the movie though.
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Capella
Footballguy
Awesome movie.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
x1000Obviously that’s what they are going for. I didn’t find it to be a very “believable” transition, or at least I didn’t think they laid any groundwork for that kind of shift. Glad it worked for you.
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Footballguy
When things fall to ####, just hide out on some planet.
The Jedi Way(tm).
The Jedi Way(tm).
