Star Wars The Last Jedi Episode 8 thread: this thread sucks, you should avoid it even after you've seen the movie (1 Viewer)

[Capella]

Wouldn't be surprised if Luke had a wild night at the Casino using the force to tumble the dice in his favor which eventually resulted in a child who is now cleaning stables and using his powers to pick up brooms. 

I always thought episode 7 was a parable of what happens when you are a vacant father who doesn't pay child support or show up to your kid's games. 

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Have we discussed yet how a corporeal Luke could give Leia the tangible "fuzzy" dice?

 

[Hawkeye21]

Have we discussed yet how a corporeal Luke could give Leia the tangible "fuzzy" dice?

That just blew my mind.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Have we discussed yet how a corporeal Luke could give Leia the tangible "fuzzy" dice?

Did he?  Because they disappeared when Kylo Ren picked them up... 

 

[shadyridr]

Have we discussed yet how a corporeal Luke could give Leia the tangible "fuzzy" dice?

Umm he "fought" Kylo Ren. Its not like Kylo Ren's lightsaber strikes were going through him.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Umm he "fought" Kylo Ren. Its not like Kylo Ren's lightsaber strikes were going through him.

The "finishing blow" went right through Luke. 

 

[Hawkeye21]

Umm he "fought" Kylo Ren. Its not like Kylo Ren's lightsaber strikes were going through him.

That whole sequences seems so odd now.  The blasts went through him.  The lightsaber fight had contact but the swipe through Luke's midsection went through him.  

 

[Andy Dufresne]

That whole sequences seems so odd now.  The blasts went through him.  The lightsaber fight had contact but the swipe through Luke's midsection went through him.  

This is what I'm saying...

 

[shadyridr]

The "finishing blow" went right through Luke. 

yep but not all of them. Their Schwartz' "clanged"

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Did he?  Because they disappeared when Kylo Ren picked them up... 

They did? Missed that.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

yep but not all of them. Their Schwartz' "clanged"

Well that makes ZERO sense.

 

[shadyridr]

That whole sequences seems so odd now.  The blasts went through him.  The lightsaber fight had contact but the swipe through Luke's midsection went through him.  

I dont think its that odd. He chose when and when not to reveal he wasnt really there.

 

[Hawkeye21]

I dont think its that odd. He chose when and when not to reveal he wasnt really there.

It's not a huge deal to me but it is interesting.  Just one of those things we don't have much knowledge about.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I dont think its that odd. He chose when and when not to reveal he wasnt really there.

 He's there physically yet not physically? That's dumb.

 

[Scoresman]

Projecting himself like that is probably one of the most high end things one can do with the Force and you could tell how much it took out of Luke, ultimately ending in him dying.  It's like a mage in D&D casting a spell that takes all their MP. 

 

[Insein]

Have we discussed yet how a corporeal Luke could give Leia the tangible "fuzzy" dice?

Don't think it about, Jerry.

 

[shadyridr]

 He's there physically yet not physically? That's dumb.

There were tons of dumb things in it and in previous Star Wars. Its fiction.

 

[Hawkeye21]

There were tons of dumb things in it and in previous Star Wars. Its fiction.

Reminds me of trying to figure out how time travel would work.  Like in Back to the Future.  Stop overthinking and just enjoy it.

 

[shadyridr]

How does Poe understand the blips and bleeps of BB8 and Han Solo understand the indiscernible howls of a Wookie. I didn't see Rosetta Stone books anywhere? So dumb and unrealistic. Am I right?

 

[Koya]

Agree with this but what I don’t understand is that people pick these movies to death but seem to give the first 3 a pass.  Those movies had just as much hokey, cringeworthy stuff in them but we seem to romanticize those 3 films.  These movies, generally speaking, are great visually and better acted.  When I go see Star Wars I’m already suspending disbelief before the film starts.

Like I said right after my viewing - this all started with a cheesily written, campily acted western shootout in space.

And it's only gotten better but still having retained those roots. For all the plot issues and subtleties - or lack thereof - if addressing those and making a theatrical masterpiece instead of a fantastical movie experience results in a more mature, well thought out and tied together plot at the expense of having a 7 year old say that's the best movie EVER, what's the point. 

Watch this through a child's lens, and enjoy it that much more for doing so. In the end, I still feel that is the audience. 7 year olds - including the last vestiges of the child within each of us.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

How does Poe understand the blips and bleeps of BB8 and Han Solo understand the indiscernible howls of a Wookie. I didn't see Rosetta Stone books anywhere? So dumb and unrealistic. Am I right?

There are differing levels of suspension of disbelief. It's not important to the story how all the alien languages are interpreted between characters.

Luke actually being/not being there is central to the plot. It would have been just as easy to have Luke not engage Kylo at all throughout the battle - making it look like he's just toying with him.

As presented, it simply signals that there are no rules that the story needs to follow - which cheapens the story, IMO. It's my biggest problem with the movie - the conveniences and coincidences that need to happen for the story to work.

 

[Koya]

Also, that moment of silence when the deadnaught is split in two was one of the best movie and Theater moments I've ever experienced.  The entire place gulped, then... silence.  

The collective awe at what this movie is - a battle in space between good and evil with redonk fight scenes that still outpace anything else ever done, visually - can be wrapped up in that moment. 

 

[shadyridr]

There are differing levels of suspension of disbelief. It's not important to the story how all the alien languages are interpreted between characters.

Luke actually being/not being there is central to the plot. It would have been just as easy to have Luke not engage Kylo at all throughout the battle - making it look like he's just toying with him.

As presented, it simply signals that there are no rules that the story needs to follow - which cheapens the story, IMO. It's my biggest problem with the movie - the conveniences and coincidences that need to happen for the story to work.

A princess flew through space without a space suit

There are no rules and there never have been. The original trilogy had Jedi ghosts first appear. You suspended your belief then?

 

[Scoresman]

There are differing levels of suspension of disbelief. It's not important to the story how all the alien languages are interpreted between characters.

Luke actually being/not being there is central to the plot. It would have been just as easy to have Luke not engage Kylo at all throughout the battle - making it look like he's just toying with him.

As presented, it simply signals that there are no rules that the story needs to follow - which cheapens the story, IMO. It's my biggest problem with the movie - the conveniences and coincidences that need to happen for the story to work.

Sure there are rules and they were established in that scene.  In Luke's case, projecting himself weakened him to the point of death.  That's a rule.  Not that hard to believe.  It's not that much of a stretch to say that while projecting himself, he has control over what and when he can physically interact with the environment he's projecting to. 

 

[Sinn Fein]

They did? Missed that.

Yeah, Kylo Ren picked them up off the floor - as he was holding them (and presumably thinking about his dad), they disappeared.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

A princess flew through space without a space suit

There are no rules and there never have been. The original trilogy had Jedi ghosts first appear. You suspended your belief then?

And I said before that that was one of the worst things I've ever seen in a movie.

Fair enough point with the Force Ghosts, but then again they were just that - ghosts.

Luke is supposedly protecting himself - which is fair enough if it's simply something intangible. But as a physical presence it simply makes no sense...to me.

 

[Insein]

How does Poe understand the blips and bleeps of BB8 and Han Solo understand the indiscernible howls of a Wookie. I didn't see Rosetta Stone books anywhere? So dumb and unrealistic. Am I right?

Han was raised by a Wookie, Dewlanna, and learned Shryiiwook their main language.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Sure there are rules and they were established in that scene.  In Luke's case, projecting himself weakened him to the point of death.  That's a rule.  Not that hard to believe.  It's not that much of a stretch to say that while projecting himself, he has control over what and when he can physically interact with the environment he's projecting to. 

It's a bigger (too big) stretch for me, I guess.

 

[shadyridr]

And I said before that that was one of the worst things I've ever seen in a movie.

Fair enough point with the Force Ghosts, but then again they were just that - ghosts.

Luke is supposedly protecting himself - which is fair enough if it's simply something intangible. But as a physical presence it simply makes no sense...to me.

Yoda's ghost made an actual bolt of lightening come out of the sky to burn down a temple. The whole thing is make believe. Seems like a weird line to draw.

 

[Scoresman]

And I said before that that was one of the worst things I've ever seen in a movie.

Fair enough point with the Force Ghosts, but then again they were just that - ghosts.

Luke is supposedly protecting himself - which is fair enough if it's simply something intangible. But as a physical presence it simply makes no sense...to me.

Did you have the same reaction when the Emperor shot lightning out of his hands in ROTJ?  That's pretty silly and out of nowhere too.  What rule did that follow?

 

[Tom Servo]

Rogue one was a great Star Wars movie unencumbered by this but  also not an episode though canon.   No title crawl, no force, but a good side story. Maybe Johnson would have been better here and not cutting one of the threads weaving these movies together. 

Rogue One is made by Disney for Star Wars fans, ties DIRECTLY to ANH, but it’s not canon?  

Put down the crack pipe. Were there too many broads in it for you?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Yoda's ghost made an actual bolt of lightening come out of the sky to burn down a temple. The whole thing is make believe. Seems like a weird line to draw.

You're assuming I bought a lot of these things. I didn't. That part was dumb too.

 

[pecorino]

That whole sequences seems so odd now.  The blasts went through him.  The lightsaber fight had contact but the swipe through Luke's midsection went through him.  

I read online that there were no light saber contacts, no clanging. It was after I saw the movie so I don’t know if that’s true (would be cool if it was). Nor did Luke’s astral projection leave footprints or other physical jetsam. I look forward to watching the film again and specifically that scene.

 

[shadyridr]

You're assuming I bought a lot of these things. I didn't. That part was dumb too.

But you bought them in the original trilogy?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Did you have the same reaction when the Emperor shot lightning out of his hands in ROTJ?  That's pretty silly and out of nowhere too.  What rule did that follow?

A physical power coming from a physical being? Not that tough to swallow. 

Where did Luke's "physicalness" come from? The dirt? 

 

[Andy Dufresne]

But you bought them in the original trilogy?

Like what?

 

[LAUNCH]

A princess flew through space without a space suit

I was expecting Morpheus to be there on the ship.

 

[Smack Tripper]

I'm really glad I don't think about these movies the same way you do.  It's much more enjoyable not.

I don't know why anyone would think the movies HAVE to keep the Skywalker lineage going I'm positive it will still be in the next movie.  In some way the Skywalkers will be involved in the movie.  They've been in every single one so far.

Enjoy a way. Get yourself a couple of lightsabers and smash them together in a dark bathroom for a while you’ll probably love it.   

All I’m saying is, you’ve basically negated luke’s Journey if indeed Rey’s the daughter of hobos. 

 

[shadyridr]

Like what?

So someone who uses the force can lift spaceships with their mind, shoot lightning out of their hands, and return from the dead as ghosts. But a physical power coming from a spiritual being? No that's just unrealistic man

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I was expecting Morpheus to be there on the ship.

I was thinking Bert the Chimney Sweep.

 

[Scoresman]

A physical power coming from a physical being? Not that tough to swallow. 

Where did Luke's "physicalness" come from? The dirt? 

The physicalness came from the use of the force.  It's the Force, It binds all things.  I would assume we haven't even come close to understanding how much an individual can do with that power fully harnessed.  That's what was so badass about that scene.  Luke did something we've never seen from other master force-users.  

 

[Andy Dufresne]

So someone who uses the force can lift spaceships with their mind, shoot lightning out of their hands, and return from the dead as ghosts. But a physical power coming from a spiritual being? No that's just unrealistic man

And I never liked the idea of force Ghosts.

 

[Sinn Fein]

So, when Yoda said: "No, there is another."

Was, he referring to Leia or Rey?  Because Leia never seemed all that strong with the force.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Rogue One is made by Disney for Star Wars fans, ties DIRECTLY to ANH, but it’s not canon?  

Put down the crack pipe. Were there too many broads in it for you?

They’re all canon, it’s outside of the episode/trilogy chain  Apologies If I misspoke.  I don’t know what they’re calling these but I know they’re separate if you don’t get your title crawl gimmick as I suspect you wont in solo. They’re not episodes. 

Did you ever notice the republic and rebellion goes to #### when you put these broads in charge?  

Unless we are counting nien nunb for saving the day

 

[shadyridr]

A physical power coming from a physical being? Not that tough to swallow. 

Where did Luke's "physicalness" come from? The dirt? 

Luke explains in THIS movie that the force surrounds everything around them so its within the concept of the Force. The 'physicalness" comes from the Force.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Maybe Yoda could have Force lightninged a couple of those walkers or even Kylo?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Luke explains in THIS movie that the force surrounds everything around them so its within the concept of the Force. The 'physicalness" comes from the Force.

It was explained as such in A New Hope and Empire.

It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us. It penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. 

But the matter that stands in front of Kylo has to come from somewhere. It just seemed like, from a story writing standpoint, to either be a cheap trick or simply lazy.

But I might be misremembering too. I thought that Kylo and Luke didn't physically interact during their battle. Now people are saying they did, so I'm going on that assumption.

 

[need2know]

Wow this thread has devolved from talk about last Jedi to an argument over the force.  Oof.

 

[jon_mx]

I don't recall Luke's and Kylo's light sabers ever hitting.  I remember Kylo taking a swing at Luke and Luke doing some matrix like move to duck under the blow.  And then Kylo swinging through Luke.  I need to watch it again. 

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Wow this thread has devolved from talk about last Jedi to an argument over the force.  Oof.

You think that a discussion about Jedi shouldn't include the Force?