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Star Wars The Last Jedi Episode 8 thread: this thread sucks, you should avoid it even after you've seen the movie (3 Viewers)

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What was the point of Laura Dern being all secretive about the plan? Why didn't she just tell everyone? I may have missed an explanation for this but I've seen it twice now. 

 
Moe. said:
What was the point of Laura Dern being all secretive about the plan? Why didn't she just tell everyone? I may have missed an explanation for this but I've seen it twice now. 
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The best answer I've heard was that they had no idea how they were being followed through light speed.  As far as she knew there was a mole on the ship.  

 
Moe. said:
What was the point of Laura Dern being all secretive about the plan? Why didn't she just tell everyone? I may have missed an explanation for this but I've seen it twice now. 
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After Newman caused that security breach at Jurassic Park and almost got everyone killed by dinosaurs,  Laura Dern has been very secretive about stuff like that.  

 
I see almost no critical hate in the press for Dern's role which I felt was by FAR the weakest performance of the movie of anyone with more than 10 words to say.   

:shrug:

 
Also, why we are at it.  So you come out of lightspeed and just stop.  And that doesn't result in people's organs leaving their body, exactly how?

 
NewlyRetired said:
I should acknowledge that the reverse is true as well. 

I loved the movie the first time I saw it but you guys who did not like it as much brought up some really good points that might make me view it a different way the second time I watch.
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This is why you need to see it three times. 3rd times the charm

 
NewlyRetired said:
I think we have had many people in here who liked some parts of the movie but overall came away with a slightly negative opinion.  I was wondering if any of that group has changed their mind on a second viewing.
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I would say on first viewing I liked it overall but had it fairly down the list of films. 

On second viewing I realized all of my objections were addressed and parts of the movie that I thought they had been remiss in addressing were there but easy to miss. Example: the use of the term 'resistance' instead of rebels bugged me throughout TFA and TLJ. At the end of TLJ, they went out of their way to identify themselves as rebels several times.

 
I can't remember what I've seen here vs elsewhere but trivia:

Porgs were created to cgi over all the Puffins that invaded every shot on that island.

BB-8 says 'I've got a bad feeling about this' in the opening sequence. 

 
I guess I shouldn't be, but I am surprised by all the negativity. I thought it was one of the best in the series. Definitely going to see in the theater again.

 
Liked the part at the end when the falcon showed up again(for like the millionth time) and started killing tie fighters. That never gets old. 

Loved kylos reaction "blow that piece of junk out of the sky!".  And Finn screaming "they really hate that ship".  

Good sequence there

 
NewlyRetired said:
I think we have had many people in here who liked some parts of the movie but overall came away with a slightly negative opinion.  I was wondering if any of that group has changed their mind on a second viewing.
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I am looking forward to seeing it again with my boy tomorrow morning.

I liked it (not loved it) and my hope is I can appreciate it even more. There are going to be some things that I will still feel as big missed opportunity. But lets see how it is on a second viewing.

 
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I just saw the movie yesterday, and had a day to process the movie. 

Overall, I liked it, but it somewhat bothered me. I just felt like the movie fed me more than I could consume. I mean, I kind of expected failure by the rebellion (or whatever they want to call them), similar to ESB, but they were just too many failures, to the point where I was like OK I'm getting sick of the rebels failing. 

First they, they fail in the first battle, and Poe takes the heat for that.

Then they fail to get away by jumping to lightspeed (they now have new technology to track them)

Then all of the leadership (except Liea) are killed.

Then they fail to find the code breaker they were supposed to find and settle for some random guy.

He then is the reason they fail to take out the tracking device.

Then they fail to keep their escape to the planet a secret.

Then they fail to take out the big gun on the planet. 

It seemed like the only non-force using rebels who succeeded at anything died during the process. Like the bomber hitting their target, and Dern using lightspeed to takeout the ship. And all Luke and Rey did for them is make sure the rebels lived to see another day. Which again, is similar to how ESB ended too, but again, ESB didn't have nearly the ridiculous amount of failing that TLJ did. In fact, it really made the New Order look incompetent for not ending the rebellion given just how much the rebels were failing over, and over and over again.

That said, the plot twist of Rey and Kylo fighting together to kill Snoke and his henchmen was ####ing awesome. And I really liked the stories of Rey and Luke. I'm hoping that the revelation of Rey's parents being nobodies is just false info by Kylo. Not because I don't like the idea that Jedi's can come from nobodies (Obi Wan's parents are pretty much nobodies, yes?), but because they built so much mystery in the unknown of who's Rey's parents are. Not only in TFA, but even the scene in TLJ where she sees herself in a long line of herself. I wonder if that is hinting at maybe her parents are nobody, but she is a reincarnation of somebody. I speculated two years ago that she was a reincarnation of Obi Wan. But she could also be the reincarnation of Anakin. And if she is Anakin, would a ghost version of Luke tell Rey in the next movie, who thinks she's a nobody "No, YOU are my father!". 

So yeah, there was a lot of things I liked. The battle scense were classic Star Wars, the Jedi stuff was classic star wars, like the characters and the actors who play them, etc, etc.... but good god, I had enough of failure by the end of the movie. 

Now that I know just how much they fail during the movie, maybe it won't affect me so negatively watching it a second time.

And for those that are bothered by Liea floating back to the ship... I had a bigger problem watching Ray Kroc's wife become the leader of the rebellion. 

 
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my ***OFFICIAL*** Star Wars movie rankings:

  1. The Empire Strikes Back
  2. Rogue One
  3. A New Hope
  4. Return of the Jedi
  5. The Force Awakens
  6. The Last Jedi
  7. Revenge of the Sith
  8. The Phantom Menace
  9. Solo (yes, I know this movie hasn't even come out yet, but there's no possible way that it will be worse than the one below...)
  10. Attack of the Clones
 
Maik Jeaunz said:
my ***OFFICIAL*** Star Wars movie rankings:

  1. The Empire Strikes Back
  2. Rogue One
  3. A New Hope
  4. Return of the Jedi
  5. The Force Awakens
  6. The Last Jedi
  7. Revenge of the Sith
  8. The Phantom Menace
  9. Solo (yes, I know this movie hasn't even come out yet, but there's no possible way that it will be worse than the one below...)
  10. Attack of the Clones
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I think I’d be exactly the same, maybe bumping rogue one to the 4 spot 

 
Even the rebel leader lady with the huge honker was a running joke, right? With every closeup I leaned back in my chair a little further. 

 
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Billy Bats said:
Even the rebel leader lady with the huge honker was a running joke, right? With every closeup I leaned back in my chair a little further. 
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Same.  Glad it wasn't 3-d.  I mean geez, how'd she fit in the smaller shuttles.  She ahould have HAD to stay on the cruiser due to physical dimensions!

 
Koya said:
Also, that moment of silence when the deadnaught is split in two was one of the best movie and Theater moments I've ever experienced.  The entire place gulped, then... silence.  

The collective awe at what this movie is - a battle in space between good and evil with redonk fight scenes that still outpace anything else ever done, visually - can be wrapped up in that moment. 
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A moment after the audience gasped and everything goes silent, my eight year old announced to the whole theater, "Awkward silence."  I was both embarrassed and proud of him.

 
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