Manster
Footballguy
got no choice. i backed McNabb up with Garrard. i hope you're right.
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Start David Garrard this week (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Chase Stuart
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the general consensus on Garrard, and my opinion of him, is that he's not the type of player who has huge games and bad games throughout the year like Favre. Those guys are riskier in that they might wind up with similar PPG but blow up during the weeks you sit them and suck during the weeks you start them. After a slow start last year, Garrard put up 10+ fantasy points in all but 1 game between weeks 4 and 16. He also had 25 and 26 points during the most important weeks of the season (15 and 16) against pretty tough pass defenses in GB and Indy.If you don't consider a QB12 to be at least part of a QB1BC, I'm not sure we're really even talking about the same things.
If you come back after your time off tomorrow, please be way cooler to other posters here. TIA.JDoctor DR said:
gpthatsme
Footballguy
fozzy fosbourne
Footballguy
Yikes.
I read the QBBC thread before I drafted. And after week 1, I was shaken, but I just thought it was a rough week. But I was just looking over all of the QBs on the WW, and noticed that Schaub and Garrard were the worst two starters in my fantasy league. I could have started ANY other QB starter over my two guys and would have had more points.
YEOOOOOWWWTCH.
It's week 1, panic, etc.. but I'm getting a little motivated to get off the QBBC bandwagon -- maybe freeing up one roster spot and hanging onto another position player until Schaub dies or whatever, or maybe trying for a QB on the wire with some more upside?
This isn't a "help my team" post, I'm trying to get more of a feel for who else out there has this pairing and is starting to wonder when they might need to jump ship?
I read the QBBC thread before I drafted. And after week 1, I was shaken, but I just thought it was a rough week. But I was just looking over all of the QBs on the WW, and noticed that Schaub and Garrard were the worst two starters in my fantasy league. I could have started ANY other QB starter over my two guys and would have had more points.
YEOOOOOWWWTCH.
It's week 1, panic, etc.. but I'm getting a little motivated to get off the QBBC bandwagon -- maybe freeing up one roster spot and hanging onto another position player until Schaub dies or whatever, or maybe trying for a QB on the wire with some more upside?
This isn't a "help my team" post, I'm trying to get more of a feel for who else out there has this pairing and is starting to wonder when they might need to jump ship?
FFCardsFan
Footballguy
I didn't read this whole thread, but I'll make a bet that Garrard isn't a top 15 fantasy QB this week.
Kuz
Footballguy
I'm sort of with you but it's only been one week. I don't have Schaub but I have Garrard & Cutler.. Not that optimistic after one week but still not at the panic stage yet. I think I'm rolling with Garrard this week as I think Cutler will struggle against the Steelers..fozzy fosbourne said:
Cut bait on Garrard this week. Had him as a backup to Palmer and I just don't have enough confidence to start him in the weeks Palmer has tough matchups. I spent some time looking at the NFL schedule and realized Flacco has a beautiful pairing with Palmer, nice enough to sacrifice Garrard and his high ranking this week. I blame myself for not seeing this pairing when I drafted and instead penciled in Garrard as my QB2.
I do not think it is doom and gloom for Garrard owners, but I just don't see the upside. He is steady and will probably finish between QB12-16. Should be a fun thread to read Sunday night.
I do not think it is doom and gloom for Garrard owners, but I just don't see the upside. He is steady and will probably finish between QB12-16. Should be a fun thread to read Sunday night.
Ahmad Rashad
Footballguy
Garrard isn't flashy, so he won't be a top 3 QB many weeks, but I wouldn't take his poor week 1 outing to mean much for his season.
The pre-season Strengh of Schedule article showed that week 1 was his worst matchup of the year, with the only other bad matchup being week 15, when Jax plays Indy again, at home.
Before assuming Garrard will underperform this year, I think it's better to see how he does in games he's supposed to do better, like the next couple of weeks. If he still underperforms, that may be time to worry...
The pre-season Strengh of Schedule article showed that week 1 was his worst matchup of the year, with the only other bad matchup being week 15, when Jax plays Indy again, at home.
Before assuming Garrard will underperform this year, I think it's better to see how he does in games he's supposed to do better, like the next couple of weeks. If he still underperforms, that may be time to worry...
Not Delhomme? I think he was Negative points in my league.
fozzy fosbourne
Footballguy
Actually I missed him, good catch. I guess I dodged one bullet out of three hehe.
See things could always be worse
aardball44
Footballguy
I drafted Garrard as my QB2 in both of my money leagues, behind Ryan and Warner.
He'll be on the bench again this week, holding the clipboard and holding a roster spot in case either of my QB1s gets hurt this season.
He'll be on the bench again this week, holding the clipboard and holding a roster spot in case either of my QB1s gets hurt this season.
HoldSteady
Footballguy
While I have confidence in Garrard this week, my QB position is my weakest with Sanchez (vs Pats) and Orton (vs CLE) battling it out. I'm hoping that Garrard returns to 2008 form after week 4 where he was a relatively consistent starter and if not then I might have to start looking harder at the waiver wire or a trade.
Arizona is due to give up 300 yards passing right? :(
Arizona is due to give up 300 yards passing right? :(
loose circuits
Footballguy
i had Garrard, MJD, & T Willy penciled in before i opened this thread. I think I'll still go that way.
I think Warner coughs it up 3 or 4 times and puts Ariz in bad positions. Momentum gets going & Garrard will run one in
I think Warner coughs it up 3 or 4 times and puts Ariz in bad positions. Momentum gets going & Garrard will run one in
JHuber77
Footballguy
Although I agree Hill and Garrard are very similar, Garrard had a down week because of matchups plain and simpleGarrard played Indy in week 1. Indy was the 6th ranked defense last year against the pass(allowed 188 yards per game and only 6 touchdowns all year to the pass)
Hill played Arizona week 1. Arizona was 22nd (allowed 221 yards per game and allowed a whopping 36 touchdowns last year to the pass)
So if Hill can't muster up better stats against the league leader in touchdowns to the pass allowed, I'll gladly take Garrard this week, who faced the 6th ranked defense against the pass last year in week 1. Coupled with the fact that Garrard has started almost twice as many games and can run with the ball. Seems like a no brainer to me!
P.S. Is this better than "your kidding right?" Yesterday's lesson plan must have been made while kicking a few cold ones back. Way to overreact to week 1 stats!
boilerdave
Footballguy
Thought about it all week....I'm going to go with Garrard over Palmer.
ScottyFargo
Footballguy
I'm in, but I am worried about Ari not being able to compete if their WRs are going to spend any extra time on the bench w/ injuries. If Ari can't make this a game, then Jac grinds it out and Garrard doesn't go nuts, right?
jcole76
Footballguy
I was all set with Ryan as my starter at and Garrard as my backup/bye week filler QB for the season. I liked what I saw from Ryan last week and now this thread has me up in the air. I think I'm going with Garrard as the matchup is there. Lets see if the FBG's know what they're talking about.
aardball44
Footballguy
The last time I followed the prevailing FBG wisdom, I drafted MJD ahead of AD #1 overall in a PPG league. That move cost me the Week One high score -- and the $10 prize money that goes with it. I'm already second-guessing that move.Ryan's still my starter in Week Two over Garrard.
My how a week changes everything.
As an old man who has been involved in FF since the Dalton Hillard and USA Today days, I have been a proponent of QBBC for a very long time. It has won me a bunch of titles and in some years, never given me a chance to win because I didn't get to draft that year's QB who single-handedly lead teams to fantasy football titles (not too many years when a QB's performance is that good).
I think Chase's projections are for the QBBC owners and guys like me who have McNabb. If you are a believer in QBBC, Chase's post was nothing more than a reminder that THIS WEEK is Garrard's week as part of a QBBC. If you have Rogers or P. Manning on your roster, a Garrard start is not for you. You drafted those guys so start them...plug and play baby. For those of us who sacrificed the QB position to be strong elsewhere, it is the same story as usual, the weekly WDIS struggle at QB.
The bottom line is, FF championship teams can be so different from league to league based on owner make-up (sharks vs. guppies), injuries, regional bias, and just plain luck. You need an edge somewhere so QBBC could be it for some owners.
Sidebar.......
As part of the FBG QBBC, I was never able to secure Schaub in any of my drafts because he went VERY high in all three of my leagues. I do have Mcnabb and Garrard in one league but I just overpaid for Trent Edwards. Unlike many others, I had tons of love for this guy during the preseason not based on play but the logic that he has loads of weapons so how can he be worse than a QB5-QB7 by the end of the year. He is my Warner back-up along with Leinart in one league.
In one league, I benched both McNabb and Garrard for Edwards this week. I hope Edwards' week one performance is a confirmation of my preseason view and not fool's gold. I would encourage Garrard/Schaub owners to grab him as well.
P.S. I cannot believe I am starting two Buffalo Bills not named Lynch, Owens, or Evans in the same week in the same line-up.
I think Chase's projections are for the QBBC owners and guys like me who have McNabb. If you are a believer in QBBC, Chase's post was nothing more than a reminder that THIS WEEK is Garrard's week as part of a QBBC. If you have Rogers or P. Manning on your roster, a Garrard start is not for you. You drafted those guys so start them...plug and play baby. For those of us who sacrificed the QB position to be strong elsewhere, it is the same story as usual, the weekly WDIS struggle at QB.
The bottom line is, FF championship teams can be so different from league to league based on owner make-up (sharks vs. guppies), injuries, regional bias, and just plain luck. You need an edge somewhere so QBBC could be it for some owners.
Sidebar.......
As part of the FBG QBBC, I was never able to secure Schaub in any of my drafts because he went VERY high in all three of my leagues. I do have Mcnabb and Garrard in one league but I just overpaid for Trent Edwards. Unlike many others, I had tons of love for this guy during the preseason not based on play but the logic that he has loads of weapons so how can he be worse than a QB5-QB7 by the end of the year. He is my Warner back-up along with Leinart in one league.
In one league, I benched both McNabb and Garrard for Edwards this week. I hope Edwards' week one performance is a confirmation of my preseason view and not fool's gold. I would encourage Garrard/Schaub owners to grab him as well.
P.S. I cannot believe I am starting two Buffalo Bills not named Lynch, Owens, or Evans in the same week in the same line-up.
I am the defending champion in my league, and thanks to footballguys.com I have finished in the top 3 out of the last 4 years. I followed the perfect draft strategy and chose David Garrard and Carson Palmer as my QBs. That said, I am pulling the trigger on Garrard today and I hope that Chase has some insight that will keep me from being laughed out of my league. (I talk a lot of trash)
Good luck to everyone with the biggest, hairiest, loudest, clanging balls out there to make this call.
Good luck to everyone with the biggest, hairiest, loudest, clanging balls out there to make this call.
GreedoShotFirst
Footballguy
have the same choice, and I am rolling with Garrard over Ben. Hopefully it works.
shadow2k
Footballguy
Well Chase's post did originally start out as this...
But I think he went a bit beyond that with the way he ended the original post.
PS: I don't own Garrard, but will probably pick him up off the wire at some point. He's pretty much always on my team every year, as a WW pickup. He won't kill you, but he's not known for having "huge" games, which is what Chase is predicting. I mean, if you're considering tossing Troy Williamson into your lineup, you're pretty high (on Garrard I mean...maybe).
scott72
Footballguy
This Afternoon: Scattered showers and thunderstorms. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 85. East wind around 11 mph. Chance of precipitation is 50%.
The Ref
Footballguy
yeah - I'm going with edwards now.I hate this - I know whoever I start will be the wrong guy.
going with hasselback too. rain = smashmouth football.
fenwah
Footballguy
No idea what to do....have 7 min to decide. Have Big Ben and Garrard. Weather looks fine right now in Jax...but scattered showers later in the day. Who to start...who to start? I'll probably go w/ Chase's recommendation. I do agree with Arizona having issues with a 1PM game after travelling across the country.
Shrek
Having a great season
I have the same choice, but I'm benching Roethlisberger this week. Why? Because up until a fairly fortunate 50 yd TD at the very end of the game, Chicago held Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers to 134 yards passing and no TD's. And that was without Urlacher for most of the game. I would probably put Pittsburgh's passing game on par with Green Bay's. The difference this week? Chicago is at home in a game they really need.On the other hand, Arizona gave up 209 yds/1 TD passing to San Francisco last week. This is pretty similar to what Chicago surrendered last week, but the difference here was that Arizona was at home. They go to Jacksonville this week, and the Jags are smarting a bit after having a chance to win the game vs. Indy. I'm thinking they'll give Arizona a tough game.I like Ben and I really don't like the idea of him on my bench most weeks, but there's no denying that this is a tough matchup for him. I'm going to trust my drafting instincts on this one, and based on matchups, put Garrard in my lineup today.
Identical situation I have in two of my leagues, and I came to the exact same conclusion. Rolling with Garrard in both those leagues. Tough to do so...especially after Ben lapped Garrard in FPs in both my leagues in Week 1...but I think Garrard > Ben in Week 2.
jafo
Out of Mind
I just put Garrard back in over Ben. Been a tough call, but that is my final answer.
Sputnikv8
Footballguy
Big Ben or Garrard here. I had Garrard in all week until today. I just can't bring myself to trust Garrard yet. I actually think both will end the day pretty close, but, I trust Ben more.
I dunno. this is one of those decisions I just want the games to start and have lineups locked down.
G'luck all.
I dunno. this is one of those decisions I just want the games to start and have lineups locked down.
G'luck all.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
He's on pace for a mindblowing 72 yards passing after 1 quarter!
He might be Top 25!
So far, Im glad I sat him...or actually, I dropped him
He might be Top 25!
So far, Im glad I sat him...or actually, I dropped him
Cardinals dominating time of possession so far. 11:31 to 3:29 in the 1st quarter.
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Mr. Fusion
Footballguy
Looks like I made the wrong choice with Garrard. Should have plugged in Schaub.
