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This is the problem with fluff pieces like the article linked:
When in reality Leshoure ran a 4.59 at the combine and has limited change of direction skills. A lot of the team quoted hype comes across more like hope, or some type of encouragement for a second year player that has had a rough go of it thus far. Caveat emptor.
Didn't see a whole lot of Kevin Smith today, 1st team reps notwithstanding.
Leshoure 19McFadden 17
No points left on my bench. For once, it seems like the info was there to be understood.
If you read the SP, you should have already rostered Leshoure and you're not sweating the waiver (some had stashed him away before week 1). If you read this thread, you probably started him (at least at flex). He moves to RB1/RB2 status going forward.
Leshoure didn't look good. He left a lot of yards on the field, got stuffed several times on short-yardage carries, and didn't look good pass-blocking. He averaged 3.8 YPC against the Titans, while K Smith averaged 3.3 against the 49ers. When you take into account the defenses they faced the last two weeks, it's hard to argue that Leshoure was/is better. What's more, Leshoure did nothing to stop the Titans from ignoring the run and playing deep against the pass (specifically against Calvin). Stafford looked horrible, and it wasn't until the very end of the 4th quarter (with Hill) that the passing game got going; that was more a result of the Lions (Hill?) saying "screw it, we're throwing deep," not the Titans suddenly respecting the run game.That being said, none of that matters. The Lions are determined to run Leshoure (30 touches in his first game!) and he'll be valuable because of the number of this touches, even if he doesn't do much with them.
he has a role but probably getting 5 or so touches/game. I'd probably look at a lot of other backups before I'd look at him.
What I liked about both Leshoure and Williams, despite their devastating injuries, is that they were both barely 21 when they happened. The injuries basically happened their senior year of college. Even right now they are younger than Doug Martin so if it takes them another year to fully recover they are both still young.'BobbyLayne said:
For the love of god already. I wasted a chunk of my saturday owning you in the Kevin Smith versus Mikel Leshoure thread. It's not my style to do an "I told you so" post but here you are still beating the Kevin Smith drum and dismissing Leshoure.I'm sorry I know you have some odd fan boy crush on Kevin Smith that you won't let go but that ship sailed.'Bayhawks said:
Depending on what your other RB or flex option it probably went from a gutsy call to an easy call for some people. I know as of Friday night I was leaning on NOT starting Leshoure with Ced Benson as the preferred alternative. On Saturday I read a tweet by the Lions beat writer who has been beating the Leshoure is going to start drum and he felt predicted Leshoure would get 16 carries, a few catches and a TD. That was enough for me to decide to start him over Benson in a tough matchup.When they actually announced Sunday morning he was starting for the Lions than starting him on my fantasy team became a no brainer decision but again I emphasize it's always relative to your other choices.
WTF are you talking about?
Do you have some kind of reading comprehension issue? I specifically said Leshoure is going to be valuable. I specifically said that the Lions are determined to feed him the ball. Read my post from Sunday in the other thread. I specifically said I was wrong and you,along with others who were "pimping" (for lack of a better word) Leshoure, were right. Where do you get me dismissing Leshoure from? Because I noted that he got his stats largely from volume, rather than from some amazing display of talent? That's the truth, but it doesn't change the fact that he is going to be valulable, because he (apparently) going to get a heavy workload. That's not dismissing Leshoure, it's DISCUSSING his situation. You, my friend, have issues.
His value will never be higher than it is right now. He will eventually be in a time share due to ineffectiveness...and Smith will still be around to vulture just enough value.
Hello.
, I don't know how anyone can take anything from this except "wow!".
, and a short gain at the end....I don't know how accurate this part is (the bolded). Leshoure was in TC, and his hammy was healed enough to get some work in the last 2 preseason games. He basically sat out two weeks. It's not like he held out the entire pre-season or anything. I think him being "winded" (or anything like that) had more to do with the sheer number of touches than him not being in football shape.The bigger issue is how his achilles holds up. I haven't seen anything that suggests it has flared up or bothered him, so assuming that he's still healthy, I would expect similar numbers from him, not "nowhere to go but up."Opportunity is at least 50% of the equation in fantasy and it is RARE that a guy falls into your lap that gets a lionshare RB job opportunity like this.
It sounds to me like there are some shocked (understandably)/frustrated Kevin Smith owners in here picking nits. But being unbiased and just looking at it from the peanut gallery
You basically, have a guy that has not played in almost 2 years, who has NEVER played at this level, and who was being touted highly before his injury as well as when he was being drafted, who comes in and is a complete and total part of the game in the way the Lions have been DREAMING of for years. There is simply nowhere to go but up in in this case. Once LeShoure gets into football shape, the way they are using him, you're going to see some games that remind you of the old Curtis martin/Jamal Lewis days when those guys were on their game: complete games where, at the end, they have just completely knocked the will out of the other team and they score a late, big run and/or score. I usually don't do predictions and all that but I would almost guarantee, if he stays healthy, that he will ahve at least a game or two this season where he ends up with a score early, a lot of yards, a big run late and a nother score. He's going to make a top 15 impact, barring injury.
The only thing most people didn't expect here was the recovery from his Achilles. Going into last season people were extremely high on him, but people over-reacted and said his career was over after he was injured. My opinion has been that if he fails it isn't going to be because of the injury, but because he wasn't as good as we thought. The Lions have said from the beginning that they expected a full recovery and that he would be their lead back. Few people believed them and thought Kevin Smith was going to keep the job despite what the Lions were saying all along. Looks like they were telling the truth.Opportunity is at least 50% of the equation in fantasy and it is RARE that a guy falls into your lap that gets a lionshare RB job opportunity like this.It sounds to me like there are some shocked (understandably)/frustrated Kevin Smith owners in here picking nits. But being unbiased and just looking at it from the peanut gallery
So it begins. I'd hold K.Smith. It's probably not serious but if he's nicked up already, well, you know.
26 carries his 1st game out...The Lions realize they need to run the ball
Do you think they realize they need to keep Leshoure healthy in the process as well?
I doubt he is actually nicked up (hope he isn't). He had 30 touches a few days ago. He's probably just sore, and they are giving him a little rest. If he was a 5-year veteran, we wouldn't think anything of it.
Basing that on players on interviews as they describe coming back. They commonly say, yes, they have kept in shape, but there is nothing to substitute the actual hitting. That's what I mean by football shape.I don't know how accurate this part is (the bolded). Leshoure was in TC, and his hammy was healed enough to get some work in the last 2 preseason games. He basically sat out two weeks. It's not like he held out the entire pre-season or anything. I think him being "winded" (or anything like that) had more to do with the sheer number of touches than him not being in football shape.The bigger issue is how his achilles holds up. I haven't seen anything that suggests it has flared up or bothered him, so assuming that he's still healthy, I would expect similar numbers from him, not "nowhere to go but up."Opportunity is at least 50% of the equation in fantasy and it is RARE that a guy falls into your lap that gets a lionshare RB job opportunity like this.
It sounds to me like there are some shocked (understandably)/frustrated Kevin Smith owners in here picking nits. But being unbiased and just looking at it from the peanut gallery
You basically, have a guy that has not played in almost 2 years, who has NEVER played at this level, and who was being touted highly before his injury as well as when he was being drafted, who comes in and is a complete and total part of the game in the way the Lions have been DREAMING of for years. There is simply nowhere to go but up in in this case. Once LeShoure gets into football shape, the way they are using him, you're going to see some games that remind you of the old Curtis martin/Jamal Lewis days when those guys were on their game: complete games where, at the end, they have just completely knocked the will out of the other team and they score a late, big run and/or score. I usually don't do predictions and all that but I would almost guarantee, if he stays healthy, that he will ahve at least a game or two this season where he ends up with a score early, a lot of yards, a big run late and a nother score. He's going to make a top 15 impact, barring injury.
I agree he will be top-15, barring injury, but that is based on the repeating the performance he put up last week, not that those numbers are his floor.
I understand that, but I think getting out of "football shape" takes more than 2 weeks. You don't hear about guys who get 1st round byes being out of "football shape" when the play in the 2nd round of the playoffs, do you?'Shutout said:Basing that on players on interviews as they describe coming back. They commonly say, yes, they have kept in shape, but there is nothing to substitute the actual hitting. That's what I mean by football shape.I don't know how accurate this part is (the bolded). Leshoure was in TC, and his hammy was healed enough to get some work in the last 2 preseason games. He basically sat out two weeks. It's not like he held out the entire pre-season or anything. I think him being "winded" (or anything like that) had more to do with the sheer number of touches than him not being in football shape.The bigger issue is how his achilles holds up. I haven't seen anything that suggests it has flared up or bothered him, so assuming that he's still healthy, I would expect similar numbers from him, not "nowhere to go but up."Opportunity is at least 50% of the equation in fantasy and it is RARE that a guy falls into your lap that gets a lionshare RB job opportunity like this.
It sounds to me like there are some shocked (understandably)/frustrated Kevin Smith owners in here picking nits. But being unbiased and just looking at it from the peanut gallery
You basically, have a guy that has not played in almost 2 years, who has NEVER played at this level, and who was being touted highly before his injury as well as when he was being drafted, who comes in and is a complete and total part of the game in the way the Lions have been DREAMING of for years. There is simply nowhere to go but up in in this case. Once LeShoure gets into football shape, the way they are using him, you're going to see some games that remind you of the old Curtis martin/Jamal Lewis days when those guys were on their game: complete games where, at the end, they have just completely knocked the will out of the other team and they score a late, big run and/or score. I usually don't do predictions and all that but I would almost guarantee, if he stays healthy, that he will ahve at least a game or two this season where he ends up with a score early, a lot of yards, a big run late and a nother score. He's going to make a top 15 impact, barring injury.
I agree he will be top-15, barring injury, but that is based on the repeating the performance he put up last week, not that those numbers are his floor.
Word is K.Smith repeatedly kicked him in the groin following the week 3 loss. Dude wants his job back, can't fault him for that.
So he's out with a sprained ankle then?
