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[Touchdown There]

NEWS ARTICLES > AFTER BROWN DEAL, WALLACE WON'T GET EXTENSIONPublished Fri Jul 27 8:24:00 p.m. ET 2012(Rotoworld) Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette confirms the Steelers will not be giving unsigned restricted free agent Mike Wallace a long-term deal after committing $42.5 million to teammate Antonio Brown.Analysis: Bouchette's colleague, Gerry Dulac, essentially said the same thing. The Steelers were already one of the NFL's tightest teams up against the salary cap, and the Brown deal increased his cap cost, if only slightly. Still, the Steelers won't be satisfying Wallace's long-term demands, and he'll have to sign his one-year, $2.742 million tender in order to play football in Pittsburgh. The organization could consider trading him before the season, or keeping him if he caves and franchise-tagging Wallace in 2013.

Well that just killed my betting opportunity. It was obvious they cannot afford both. Parity in the league. The Steelers draft well. Good for them.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Is there any Steelers homer in here that want to take the $100 bet that Mike Wallace does not get the franchise tag from the Steelers in 2012? I am very interested in having someone step up to the plate. How about you, Angry Evil?

I have no idea whether they'll tag him or not. They may be fed up with his contract demands and move on. They may still sign him long-term. They may put Rainey in the slot with Sanders and Brown outside. They may draft a WR next year. They may cut players next year that don't perform this year, or they may decide to extend other players if they have big years this season and decide they don't need Wallace. The only thing that matters is that they retain the option to do so.

So that is a "No" to the bet offer? That is what I thought.If you change your mind, here is the way it has worked in the past. We set up a LeagueSafe account with two members. If you do not want your real name in it, then give your buddy $100 bucks and have him put the cash in. This is an open invitation for all Steelers homers in this thread.

It's a "no." I don't care if they franchise him or not, only that his fate for the next two seasons is in the Steelers' control. Why would I bet on it?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

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Frostillicus

Don't worry, Maurile - I'm not going to call him anything that might get him upset and hammering the report button again.

 

[Touchdown There]

It's a "no." I don't care if they franchise him or not, only that his fate for the next two seasons is in the Steelers' control. Why would I bet on it?

Read above. There are still a few Steeler fans that think he is going to get franchised in 2013. I just really want to take your money.

 

[Touchdown There]

5 User(s) are reading this topic3 members, 1 guests, 1 anonymous users Maurile Tremblay, The Ref, FrostillicusDon't worry, Maurile - I'm not going to call him anything that might get him upset and hammering the report button again.

We are best friends now.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

It's a "no." I don't care if they franchise him or not, only that his fate for the next two seasons is in the Steelers' control. Why would I bet on it?

Read above. There are still a few Steeler fans that think he is going to get franchised in 2013. I just really want to take your money.

He may, he may not. He may not even be on the team next week for all I know. It's a meaningless and idiotic bet.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

5 User(s) are reading this topic3 members, 1 guests, 1 anonymous users Maurile Tremblay, The Ref, FrostillicusDon't worry, Maurile - I'm not going to call him anything that might get him upset and hammering the report button again.

We are best friends now.

I'll bet you $100 he disagrees. You want to take my money, here's your chance.

 

[treat88]

One thing is very clear.

Something changed in the course of the negotiation. By all accounts talks were happening and progress was being made.

First day of camp rolls around, Wallace doesn't show, apparently against his agent's advice, and everything breaks down.

Someone didn't keep a commitment they had previously agreed to.

I believe the Steelers could easily fit Wallace in to their cap with a little creative structuring of the deal...so long as the deal is within the parameters everyone expects. 5 yrs 50 mil was the reported offer...I'm guessing 25 mil guaranteed.

But, it is clear that once he walked away from that offer and failed to show for camp the Steelers were prepared to move on without him.

I think there is a very good chance Wallace will never play another game for the Steelers.

 

[Tau837]

The likelihood of a trade is 90% now IMO. Step up Chargers.

No thanks and no chance. They are happy with their offensive skill players. And, as evidenced by letting VJax go, they aren't interested in paying a WR the kind of money Wallace wants.

 

[Touchdown There]

The likelihood of a trade is 90% now IMO. Step up Chargers.

No thanks and no chance. They are happy with their offensive skill players. And, as evidenced by letting VJax go, they aren't interested in paying a WR the kind of money Wallace wants.

The coach and management are on the hot seat. I am just brainstorming on which QBs have a good deep arm. Jacksonville is a death sentence for Wallace. Rams or Miami would be OK. Who has the cap space?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Wallace was offered more than BrownJuly 27th, 2012Mark Kaboly | Tribune ReviewWallace was offered a 5-year deal in the range of $50 million, but he decided that wasn’t enough.

Interesting since I didnt think we could afford Wallace

awesome.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Is there any Steelers homer in here that want to take the $100 bet that Mike Wallace does not get the franchise tag from the Steelers in 2012? I am very interested in having someone step up to the plate. How about you, Angry Evil?

Of course he isnt getting the franchise tag in 2012, we already have him at a $2.7M max ....you got any other dumb bets?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Is there any Steelers homer in here that want to take the $100 bet that Mike Wallace does not get the franchise tag from the Steelers in 2012? I am very interested in having someone step up to the plate. How about you, Angry Evil?

Of course he isnt getting the franchise tag in 2012, we already have him at a $2.7M max ....you got any other dumb bets?

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

"When you're dealing with Mike Tomlin and Kevin Colbert and Omar Khan and Art Rooney, you know there's a good chance to get something done. They really go about their business the right way. Everything worked to perfection."

-Drew Rosenhaus

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/steelers-sign-antonio-brown-to-5-year-contract-646510/

 

[Chazzhawk]

My prediction is Brandon Marshall is awesome for the first 13 games this year and does something stupid off the field and get suspended for a game, throws a fit the first game back and is released in the off season. The Bears trade 2 2nd rounders for Wallace.

If the Steeler's just let him walk he ends up in Carolina to replace the aging Steve Smith or the Redskins because Dan Snyder makes it rain for Wallace on his visit to Washington.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Mike Wallace has been demanding Larry Fitzgerald like money, while Antonio Brown is satisfied with Mike Wallace's money.

 

[Touchdown There]

Is there any Steelers homer in here that want to take the $100 bet that Mike Wallace does not get the franchise tag from the Steelers in 2012? I am very interested in having someone step up to the plate. How about you, Angry Evil?

Of course he isnt getting the franchise tag in 2012, we already have him at a $2.7M max ....you got any other dumb bets?

Sure do, glad you asked Kenny. Here is what we will do. You and me will both take an IQ test. The same test at the same site. Here are the rules: if you score below 100, you owe me $100. Score of 100-110 is a push. 110+ and I owe you $100. Vice versa will be true for me. The range of the final outcome of the bet will be -$200 to +200. The specifics of the IQ test site online we will agree on when you accept the bet. We will both be required to post results in this thread. Offer is only good for Kenny Powers, only for Saturday. Lets play a fun game.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Spending a Saturday taking an online IQ test...you must be brilliant.

 

[Chazzhawk]

Spending a Saturday taking an online IQ test...you must be brilliant.

I don't see anything wrong with it. I have a buddy I am that competitive with, we bet over 10,000 dollars a year back and forth (Roughly 400 bets a year ranging from 1 dollar to 250). I have only been keeping track since 2010, but we have been betting since 2006 and the funny part is I don't think either one of us could truthfully claim to have won more than 500 dollars total from the other in one year.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Spending a Saturday taking an online IQ test...you must be brilliant.

I don't see anything wrong with it. I have a buddy I am that competitive with, we bet over 10,000 dollars a year back and forth (Roughly 400 bets a year ranging from 1 dollar to 250). I have only been keeping track since 2010, but we have been betting since 2006 and the funny part is I don't think either one of us could truthfully claim to have won more than 500 dollars total from the other in one year.

thats the comparison?

 

[Chazzhawk]

Spending a Saturday taking an online IQ test...you must be brilliant.

I don't see anything wrong with it. I have a buddy I am that competitive with, we bet over 10,000 dollars a year back and forth (Roughly 400 bets a year ranging from 1 dollar to 250). I have only been keeping track since 2010, but we have been betting since 2006 and the funny part is I don't think either one of us could truthfully claim to have won more than 500 dollars total from the other in one year.

thats the comparison?

I didn't read all the posts in this thread because it is already 5 pages long, I just don't see anything wrong with putting your money where your mouth is.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Spending a Saturday taking an online IQ test...you must be brilliant.

I don't see anything wrong with it. I have a buddy I am that competitive with, we bet over 10,000 dollars a year back and forth (Roughly 400 bets a year ranging from 1 dollar to 250). I have only been keeping track since 2010, but we have been betting since 2006 and the funny part is I don't think either one of us could truthfully claim to have won more than 500 dollars total from the other in one year.

thats the comparison?

I didn't read all the posts in this thread because it is already 5 pages long, I just don't see anything wrong with putting your money where your mouth is.

then maybe she should try to form a better argument and not just be a fisherwoman.

 

[KellysHeroes]

JETS make the move now!!!!

 

[Bird]

Every year or so the Steelers do not make the playoffs. Welcome to that year.

 

[Abspara]

Every year or so the Steelers do not make the playoffs. Welcome to that year.

Because of no Wallace?

 

[Touchdown There]

Spending a Saturday taking an online IQ test...you must be brilliant.

I don't see anything wrong with it. I have a buddy I am that competitive with, we bet over 10,000 dollars a year back and forth (Roughly 400 bets a year ranging from 1 dollar to 250). I have only been keeping track since 2010, but we have been betting since 2006 and the funny part is I don't think either one of us could truthfully claim to have won more than 500 dollars total from the other in one year.

thats the comparison?

I didn't read all the posts in this thread because it is already 5 pages long, I just don't see anything wrong with putting your money where your mouth is.

Chazz is right. Put money where your mouth is. Let it play out and we can all have a little fun today.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

@SI_PeterKing: One thing re Brown signs/Wallace doesn't: I got the feeling last yr the Steelers wouldn't pay big $ to both+liked Brown more. Versatility.

 

[Sabertooth]

Are all you Steelers fans on here going to forgive him when he returns? Or is he dead to you for trying to make his money?

 

[steelerfan1]

Are all you Steelers fans on here going to forgive him when he returns? Or is he dead to you for trying to make his money?

love to have him back. nothing against him. he played holdem and went in with a pair of 2's.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Are all you Steelers fans on here going to forgive him when he returns? Or is he dead to you for trying to make his money?

Love to have him back for the long term. But not if it requires a contract that we'll end up regretting in a few years. Outside of Ben, offensive skill positions aren't super high on the priority list IMO. Invest in the defense and keep building along the offensive line.

 

[cstu]

Are all you Steelers fans on here going to forgive him when he returns? Or is he dead to you for trying to make his money?

love to have him back. nothing against him. he played holdem and went in with a pair of 2's.

I wouldn't say he's lost yet - let's see what he gets on the river next year.

 

[dickey moe]

Every year or so the Steelers do not make the playoffs. Welcome to that year.

What does this even mean?

 

[treat88]

Are all you Steelers fans on here going to forgive him when he returns? Or is he dead to you for trying to make his money?

Until he is officially gone, he is still the straw that stirs the drink of the Steelers WR corps. He absolutely deserves to make his money. Can't begrudge him that. But, until he hits UFA, he's going to have to accept something less than UFA money.If he was actually offered 5/50 and wants 5/55 and walked away over that, it means there is a significant gap in the guaranteed money involved. I hope he's a Steelers thru C2, it doesn't look good right now. Still hopeful tho.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Are all you Steelers fans on here going to forgive him when he returns? Or is he dead to you for trying to make his money?

Until he is officially gone, he is still the straw that stirs the drink of the Steelers WR corps. He absolutely deserves to make his money. Can't begrudge him that.

But, until he hits UFA, he's going to have to accept something less than UFA money.

If he was actually offered 5/50 and wants 5/55 and walked away over that, it means there is a significant gap in the guaranteed money involved.

I hope he's a Steelers thru C2, it doesn't look good right now. Still hopeful tho.

Good point, otherwise I think his decision was extremely dumb. When the rumors swirled about him signing the 5yr/42.5m on tuesday, IIRC the guaranteed money reported was $20M. I guess we will never get any substantial truth to that, especially since in the last day or so its been reported he was offered 5/50 give or take.Brown was only guaranteed $8M, which seems surprisingly low to me for such a big contract. Which also makes you wonder with a talent like Wallace and our organization, why would guaranteed money be the holdup??? Almost makes me think the offer was 5yrs/50M or so with 20-25M guaranteed since all reports also are that Bus Cook said he should sign but its Wallace who wouldnt.

I feel like we arent going to hear to much from here on out in the Wallace camp, barring a trade of course. He seemingly overvalued himself, and lost any chance of short term resolution with the Steelers now that they signed AB.

 

[Steve Tasker]

at this TT guy ####ting all over the SP. Quality fishing here.

 

[SWC]

Is there any Steelers homer in here that want to take the $100 bet that Mike Wallace does not get the franchise tag from the Steelers in 2012? I am very interested in having someone step up to the plate. How about you, Angry Evil?

Of course he isnt getting the franchise tag in 2012, we already have him at a $2.7M max ....you got any other dumb bets?

Sure do, glad you asked Kenny. Here is what we will do. You and me will both take an IQ test. The same test at the same site. Here are the rules: if you score below 100, you owe me $100. Score of 100-110 is a push. 110+ and I owe you $100. Vice versa will be true for me. The range of the final outcome of the bet will be -$200 to +200. The specifics of the IQ test site online we will agree on when you accept the bet. We will both be required to post results in this thread. Offer is only good for Kenny Powers, only for Saturday. Lets play a fun game.

brohan i do not know you but i do not think that this is being excellent to each other like the big kahuna from down under around these here parts says that we should be to each other and one another so how about we just lay down the lets have an iq battle on the internet stuff we get back to discussing things that matter to fantasy football because jeez no one wins wen we fight about iq tests and ifyou want to feel good just challenge me to an iq test because you would probably win by a zillion but lets get over that stuff and talk about good topics like awesome nicknames and what are the best trick plays you can think of so let us all get back to those types of topics and also back to taking it to the bank so be well everyone peace out my brothers

 

[Kenny Powers]

Is there any Steelers homer in here that want to take the $100 bet that Mike Wallace does not get the franchise tag from the Steelers in 2012? I am very interested in having someone step up to the plate. How about you, Angry Evil?

Of course he isnt getting the franchise tag in 2012, we already have him at a $2.7M max ....you got any other dumb bets?

Sure do, glad you asked Kenny. Here is what we will do. You and me will both take an IQ test. The same test at the same site. Here are the rules: if you score below 100, you owe me $100. Score of 100-110 is a push. 110+ and I owe you $100. Vice versa will be true for me. The range of the final outcome of the bet will be -$200 to +200. The specifics of the IQ test site online we will agree on when you accept the bet. We will both be required to post results in this thread. Offer is only good for Kenny Powers, only for Saturday. Lets play a fun game.

brohan i do not know you but i do not think that this is being excellent to each other like the big kahuna from down under around these here parts says that we should be to each other and one another so how about we just lay down the lets have an iq battle on the internet stuff we get back to discussing things that matter to fantasy football because jeez no one wins wen we fight about iq tests and ifyou want to feel good just challenge me to an iq test because you would probably win by a zillion but lets get over that stuff and talk about good topics like awesome nicknames and what are the best trick plays you can think of so let us all get back to those types of topics and also back to taking it to the bank so be well everyone peace out my brothers

take that to tha bank bromine

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Are all you Steelers fans on here going to forgive him when he returns? Or is he dead to you for trying to make his money?

I aint mad at him. Such is the way of the NFL.

 

[Dought Man]

Mike Wallace thinks he's Lebron. The Steelers front office thinks he's a rich man's Steve Novak.

 

[Godsbrother]

Are all you Steelers fans on here going to forgive him when he returns? Or is he dead to you for trying to make his money?

I aint mad at him. Such is the way of the NFL.

Neither am I. It is a business and I don't blame him for wanting to get the best deal he can. I will say that I don't get the rationale for holding out though. It won't work if he wants a long term deal with the Steelers and if he wants to move on his best bet is to have a monster season. I am not sure how missing offseason team workouts, mini-camp and training camp (and potentially the first 10 regular season games) under a new offensive coordinator and playbook is going to increase his value on the open market in 2013.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

@SI_PeterKing: One thing re Brown signs/Wallace doesn't: I got the feeling last yr the Steelers wouldn't pay big $ to both+liked Brown more. Versatility.

Actually that is one thing that no-one has spoken of, the fact that last year Antonio Brown was the first player in NFL history to have 1,000 yards receiving and 1,000 return yards.That was last year when he was the #2 man operating from the slot.Without Wallace he would naturally assume the #1 WR role so will he still pull double duties as the #1 WR and what happens if he gets dinged or misses significant time? So yeah, he is versatile and versatility is a great thing for young guys who work their way up from special teams to get a shot like Brown has but when they get that big extension and by default become the #1 WR will he still be pulling double duties as a return man assuming the extra risk of injury?I don't know of many #1 WRs who are 1,000 yard return men precisely due to the added risk of injury and taking away from their primary role as the #1 WR so the aspect of versatility that Antonio Brown brought to the table last year would logically have to be diminished or the risk of injury means that if he does get digned the Steelers lose their #1 WR AND their top return man so its a double edged sword once a guy turns into the #1 WR like Brown has.

 

[cstu]

Are all you Steelers fans on here going to forgive him when he returns? Or is he dead to you for trying to make his money?

I aint mad at him. Such is the way of the NFL.

Neither am I. It is a business and I don't blame him for wanting to get the best deal he can. I will say that I don't get the rationale for holding out though. It won't work if he wants a long term deal with the Steelers and if he wants to move on his best bet is to have a monster season. I am not sure how missing offseason team workouts, mini-camp and training camp (and potentially the first 10 regular season games) under a new offensive coordinator and playbook is going to increase his value on the open market in 2013.

I've seen no evidence that teams hold this against a player once they're a free agent.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Are all you Steelers fans on here going to forgive him when he returns? Or is he dead to you for trying to make his money?

I aint mad at him. Such is the way of the NFL.

Neither am I. It is a business and I don't blame him for wanting to get the best deal he can. I will say that I don't get the rationale for holding out though. It won't work if he wants a long term deal with the Steelers and if he wants to move on his best bet is to have a monster season. I am not sure how missing offseason team workouts, mini-camp and training camp (and potentially the first 10 regular season games) under a new offensive coordinator and playbook is going to increase his value on the open market in 2013.

I've seen no evidence that teams hold this against a player once they're a free agent.

they dont.

 

[VA703]

hes dumb for turningdown the offer

 

[Godsbrother]

Are all you Steelers fans on here going to forgive him when he returns? Or is he dead to you for trying to make his money?

I aint mad at him. Such is the way of the NFL.

Neither am I. It is a business and I don't blame him for wanting to get the best deal he can. I will say that I don't get the rationale for holding out though. It won't work if he wants a long term deal with the Steelers and if he wants to move on his best bet is to have a monster season. I am not sure how missing offseason team workouts, mini-camp and training camp (and potentially the first 10 regular season games) under a new offensive coordinator and playbook is going to increase his value on the open market in 2013.

I've seen no evidence that teams hold this against a player once they're a free agent.

they dont.

Not the hold out but posting sub-par numbers wouldn't help in his quest of getting Fitzgerald money

 

[Coeur de Lion]

It's pretty hard to argue with the fact that he's probably hurting himself here. Clearly, signing the tender, coming in, and going off for 70 -1200-10 is by far the best path for him in the quest to make as much cash as possible from whoever.

 

[Gawain]

He's lost half a round of value according to FFC. Over the past week or so his ADP has fallen from 3.11 to 4.06. Good time to buy if you think this will all get worked out.

 

[Mr Rodgers neighborhood]

hes dumb for turningdown the offer

Yeah, wanting Vincent Jackson money (who he's better than), and turning down money thats less than VJax money is a bad move.He's going to get that contract. It may be in a few weeks, it may be next year, but he'll get the same or a greater contract than Jackson's.

 

[Mr Rodgers neighborhood]

He's lost half a round of value according to FFC. Over the past week or so his ADP has fallen from 3.11 to 4.06. Good time to buy if you think this will all get worked out.

Let it fall for another two weeks if you can. All of the insider/beat guys in Pittsburgh all seem to think he'll report in three weeks... Two and a half weeks now.

 

[Kenny Powers]

hes dumb for turningdown the offer

Yeah, wanting Vincent Jackson money (who he's better than), and turning down money thats less than VJax money is a bad move.He's going to get that contract. It may be in a few weeks, it may be next year, but he'll get the same or a greater contract than Jackson's.

...it may be be 2014