Steelers Broke and 4-6, Bengals Division Champs (2 Viewers)

[Touchdown There]

The Steelers would still like to sign Wallace to a long-term deal so all he needs to do to get the ball rolling again is show up for camp.

Right. So then, when the Steelers do not have enough money to pay him, he has no other option but to play for the 2.7MM because he can be fined for not showing up after he signs. Funny how that works out really good for the Steelers. I don't believe that even you believe what you said. I can just see it now, Wallace signs his tender and then all the homers start discussing how "if Wallace won't sign a team friendly deal, then just force him to play for the 2.7MM tender". There is no way Wallace or his agent is that dumb. They know the cap situation even if the homers are ignoring it.The only way Wallace reports is if a deal is in place. No other chance until week 11.

The Steelers will not negotiate with a player that is holding out so I guess we' ll see him week 11 then. He will also be 1.7 million poorer and still runs the risk of injury when he returns.

Yup. His injury risk will be 6/16th what it would otherwise be + injury odds from training camp. Let's just call it 25%.

 

[Kenny Powers]

The Steelers would still like to sign Wallace to a long-term deal so all he needs to do to get the ball rolling again is show up for camp.

Right. So then, when the Steelers do not have enough money to pay him, he has no other option but to play for the 2.7MM because he can be fined for not showing up after he signs. Funny how that works out really good for the Steelers. I don't believe that even you believe what you said. I can just see it now, Wallace signs his tender and then all the homers start discussing how "if Wallace won't sign a team friendly deal, then just force him to play for the 2.7MM tender". There is no way Wallace or his agent is that dumb. They know the cap situation even if the homers are ignoring it.The only way Wallace reports is if a deal is in place. No other chance until week 11.

The Steelers will not negotiate with a player that is holding out so I guess we' ll see him week 11 then. He will also be 1.7 million poorer and still runs the risk of injury when he returns.

Yup. His injury risk will be 6/16th what it would otherwise be + injury odds from training camp. Let's just call it 25%.

He might not even see the field if he doesnt know Haley's playbook.Then again, all he can do is go deep so he should be fine!!

 

[LTF]

Wallace will sign his tender some time in the next couple of weeks. He might not get a long term deal, but he's not missing Sundays over this. He'll make more money playing on the tender this year than he's made in his first three years combined.

 

[SteelerMurf]

Wallace will sign his tender some time in the next couple of weeks. He might not get a long term deal, but he's not missing Sundays over this. He'll make more money playing on the tender this year than hie's made in his first three years combined.

Wallace has NO leverage. He can sit out till week 10 and still get the franchise tag slapped on him next year. They just signed brown which takes pressure off Steelers for next yearAnd he was simply an average receiver the 2nd half of season.Steelers never cave he is accomplishing nothing

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Wallace will sign his tender some time in the next couple of weeks. He might not get a long term deal, but he's not missing Sundays over this. He'll make more money playing on the tender this year than hie's made in his first three years combined.

Wallace has NO leverage. He can sit out till week 10 and still get the franchise tag slapped on him next year. They just signed brown which takes pressure off Steelers for next yearAnd he was simply an average receiver the 2nd half of season.

Steelers never cave he is accomplishing nothing

When the Steelers publically broke off talks and then turned around and signed an extension with Brown they lost all leverage.The Steelers are thin at WR without Wallace.

My link

Wallace's absence strains Steelers' depth

August 4, 2012 2:29 am

The continuing holdout of Mike Wallace goes beyond the Steelers missing one of the great deep threats in the NFL. It cuts into their depth at wide receiver, and, while that may not pose a problem at the moment with a 90-man roster, it soon could become one.

With Wallace, the Steelers would possess one of the best receiving foursomes in the league that includes team MVP Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders and Jerricho Cotchery. That group is buttressed by tight end Heath Miller and whichever backs emerge as targets in the passing game.

They would seem to have good depth and versatility to go with Ben Roethlisberger, one of the best quarterbacks in the league. If Wallace continues his holdout, the depth at wide receiver, however, is reduced to three, and no one has emerged to help ease that shortage after a week of practice.

"I haven't seen any distinct separation at this point, but it's still early" coordinator Todd Haley said Friday.

It was around this time last year that Sanders had to have more surgery on a foot after having both fixed by surgeons early in the year. Sanders has said his feet are fine, but he did not practice Friday night, although coach Mike Tomlin held him out of practice the other day on artificial turf as to not court trouble. Losing Sanders, Cotchery or Brown would be certain trouble for the Steelers because there really is no one else to move in. At least, no one has shown they can yet.

"There's some ability," Haley said. "But, at that position, there is some pressure to try to get one of those guys kind of come to the surface. So we'll push them hard, and you'll see that position getting coached pretty vigilantly trying to get that to happen."

The only player with any kind of experience behind them is Derrick Williams, a 26-year-old out of Penn State who was not on an NFL roster last season. He caught nine passes in 18 games over the 2009 and '10 seasons with Detroit.

That's it. Everyone else is a first-year pro or a rookie. The only receiver drafted by the Steelers this year was Toney Clemons of Valley High School and Colorado; they took him in the seventh round.

The Steelers have no leverage other than to sit passively and wait, they are thin at WR and one injury away from being in trouble.I didn't understand what they were doing because I saw this is how it could turn out with one injury away from Toney Clemons or Derrick Williams instead of the 'average' Mike Wallace starting.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Wallace will sign his tender some time in the next couple of weeks. He might not get a long term deal, but he's not missing Sundays over this. He'll make more money playing on the tender this year than hie's made in his first three years combined.

Wallace has NO leverage. He can sit out till week 10 and still get the franchise tag slapped on him next year. They just signed brown which takes pressure off Steelers for next yearAnd he was simply an average receiver the 2nd half of season.

Steelers never cave he is accomplishing nothing

When the Steelers publically broke off talks and then turned around and signed an extension with Brown they lost all leverage.The Steelers are thin at WR without Wallace.

My link

Wallace's absence strains Steelers' depth

August 4, 2012 2:29 am

The continuing holdout of Mike Wallace goes beyond the Steelers missing one of the great deep threats in the NFL. It cuts into their depth at wide receiver, and, while that may not pose a problem at the moment with a 90-man roster, it soon could become one.

With Wallace, the Steelers would possess one of the best receiving foursomes in the league that includes team MVP Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders and Jerricho Cotchery. That group is buttressed by tight end Heath Miller and whichever backs emerge as targets in the passing game.

They would seem to have good depth and versatility to go with Ben Roethlisberger, one of the best quarterbacks in the league. If Wallace continues his holdout, the depth at wide receiver, however, is reduced to three, and no one has emerged to help ease that shortage after a week of practice.

"I haven't seen any distinct separation at this point, but it's still early" coordinator Todd Haley said Friday.

It was around this time last year that Sanders had to have more surgery on a foot after having both fixed by surgeons early in the year. Sanders has said his feet are fine, but he did not practice Friday night, although coach Mike Tomlin held him out of practice the other day on artificial turf as to not court trouble. Losing Sanders, Cotchery or Brown would be certain trouble for the Steelers because there really is no one else to move in. At least, no one has shown they can yet.

"There's some ability," Haley said. "But, at that position, there is some pressure to try to get one of those guys kind of come to the surface. So we'll push them hard, and you'll see that position getting coached pretty vigilantly trying to get that to happen."

The only player with any kind of experience behind them is Derrick Williams, a 26-year-old out of Penn State who was not on an NFL roster last season. He caught nine passes in 18 games over the 2009 and '10 seasons with Detroit.

That's it. Everyone else is a first-year pro or a rookie. The only receiver drafted by the Steelers this year was Toney Clemons of Valley High School and Colorado; they took him in the seventh round.

The Steelers have no leverage other than to sit passively and wait, they are thin at WR and one injury away from being in trouble.I didn't understand what they were doing because I saw this is how it could turn out with one injury away from Toney Clemons or Derrick Williams instead of the 'average' Mike Wallace starting.

you don't understand what they are doing because you don't have a clue about running an nfl franchise.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Wallace will sign his tender some time in the next couple of weeks. He might not get a long term deal, but he's not missing Sundays over this. He'll make more money playing on the tender this year than hie's made in his first three years combined.

Wallace has NO leverage. He can sit out till week 10 and still get the franchise tag slapped on him next year. They just signed brown which takes pressure off Steelers for next yearAnd he was simply an average receiver the 2nd half of season.

Steelers never cave he is accomplishing nothing

When the Steelers publically broke off talks and then turned around and signed an extension with Brown they lost all leverage.The Steelers are thin at WR without Wallace.

My link

Wallace's absence strains Steelers' depth

August 4, 2012 2:29 am

The continuing holdout of Mike Wallace goes beyond the Steelers missing one of the great deep threats in the NFL. It cuts into their depth at wide receiver, and, while that may not pose a problem at the moment with a 90-man roster, it soon could become one.

With Wallace, the Steelers would possess one of the best receiving foursomes in the league that includes team MVP Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders and Jerricho Cotchery. That group is buttressed by tight end Heath Miller and whichever backs emerge as targets in the passing game.

They would seem to have good depth and versatility to go with Ben Roethlisberger, one of the best quarterbacks in the league. If Wallace continues his holdout, the depth at wide receiver, however, is reduced to three, and no one has emerged to help ease that shortage after a week of practice.

"I haven't seen any distinct separation at this point, but it's still early" coordinator Todd Haley said Friday.

It was around this time last year that Sanders had to have more surgery on a foot after having both fixed by surgeons early in the year. Sanders has said his feet are fine, but he did not practice Friday night, although coach Mike Tomlin held him out of practice the other day on artificial turf as to not court trouble. Losing Sanders, Cotchery or Brown would be certain trouble for the Steelers because there really is no one else to move in. At least, no one has shown they can yet.

"There's some ability," Haley said. "But, at that position, there is some pressure to try to get one of those guys kind of come to the surface. So we'll push them hard, and you'll see that position getting coached pretty vigilantly trying to get that to happen."

The only player with any kind of experience behind them is Derrick Williams, a 26-year-old out of Penn State who was not on an NFL roster last season. He caught nine passes in 18 games over the 2009 and '10 seasons with Detroit.

That's it. Everyone else is a first-year pro or a rookie. The only receiver drafted by the Steelers this year was Toney Clemons of Valley High School and Colorado; they took him in the seventh round.

The Steelers have no leverage other than to sit passively and wait, they are thin at WR and one injury away from being in trouble.I didn't understand what they were doing because I saw this is how it could turn out with one injury away from Toney Clemons or Derrick Williams instead of the 'average' Mike Wallace starting.

Like most of the rest of the league, as it seems, the Steelers have brought in some good receiving TEs. Having 3 good WRs in camp and a couple TEs will allow them to copycat the two TE and two WRs sets pretty well, negating some "lack" of WRs. Everybody seems to be forgetting that Sanders was thought by many to be superior to Antonio Brown before injuries set him back. If healthy, Sanders and Brown could make for a very good duo with Cotch being a nice 3rd. I think Wallace needs to play and get paid at least as much and probably more than the Steelers need him to play. Both sides have some leverage, and both sides would be better off with a mutually beneficial agreement, but the mutually beneficial part is proving difficult. Historically, the Steelers haven't shown a real need to pay players top dollar to field a very good team, and especially not for players that are only involved in minimal number of plays like CBs and WRs.

 

[craxie]

Wallace has NO leverage. He can sit out till week 10 and still get the franchise tag slapped on him next year.

Franchise tag money would be worth playing for. (Bessides the Steelers have already made it clear they don't think he is worth franchise money, so that's not going to happen)

Steelers never cave he is accomplishing nothing

avoiding injury to ensure his future payday is pretty significant accomplishment

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Wallace has NO leverage. He can sit out till week 10 and still get the franchise tag slapped on him next year.

Franchise tag money would be worth playing for. (Bessides the Steelers have already made it clear they don't think he is worth franchise money, so that's not going to happen)

I missed that -- link, plz.

 

[craxie]

(Bessides the Steelers have already made it clear they don't think he is worth franchise money

I missed that -- link, plz.

Their offer was $50mill/5 years or $10mill/year. Franchise tag is nearly $15mil/year, or 50% more

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

(Bessides the Steelers have already made it clear they don't think he is worth franchise money

I missed that -- link, plz.

Their offer was $50mill/5 years or $10mill/year. Franchise tag is nearly $15mil/year, or 50% more

Pretty sure it is around 10 per for a WR.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

(Bessides the Steelers have already made it clear they don't think he is worth franchise money

I missed that -- link, plz.

Their offer was $50mill/5 years or $10mill/year. Franchise tag is nearly $15mil/year, or 50% more

link, plz.and fyi -- 50 is actually >>>>> 15

 

[craxie]

Pretty sure it is around 10 per for a WR.

yup, sorry

and fyi -- 50 is actually >>>>> 15

fyi not all of a contract is guaranteed while a franchise tag isregardless, I don't think he would regard a franchise tag as a threat, because it's actually enough money to be worth playing fornow the question for the Steelers is: IF Wallace is willing to sit out the first 10 games (and I have no idea if he is or not) AND they are willing to pay him franchise money NEXT year, why not pay franchise money now to get him to play THIS year?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Pretty sure it is around 10 per for a WR.

yup, sorry

and fyi -- 50 is actually >>>>> 15

fyi not all of a contract is guaranteed while a franchise tag isregardless, I don't think he would regard a franchise tag as a threat, because it's actually enough money to be worth playing fornow the question for the Steelers is: IF Wallace is willing to sit out the first 10 games (and I have no idea if he is or not) AND they are willing to pay him franchise money NEXT year, why not pay franchise money now to get him to play THIS year?

holy jesus christ.stop posting

 

[Touchdown There]

Pretty sure it is around 10 per for a WR.

yup, sorry

and fyi -- 50 is actually >>>>> 15

fyi not all of a contract is guaranteed while a franchise tag isregardless, I don't think he would regard a franchise tag as a threat, because it's actually enough money to be worth playing fornow the question for the Steelers is: IF Wallace is willing to sit out the first 10 games (and I have no idea if he is or not) AND they are willing to pay him franchise money NEXT year, why not pay franchise money now to get him to play THIS year?

holy jesus christ.stop posting

Perfectly legitimate question.

 

[Sabertooth]

Lol at all the sour grapes steelers fans calling wallace a one trick pony now after arguing so vehemently that he isn't exactly that.

 

[KCitons]

So, after 7 pages of petty arguments, you guys have agreed on one thing. Nobody knows what Wallace is going to do? Seems like a giant waste of time.

No one knows what goes on in an NFL players head. Recent actions like DUI's by Lynch, Blackmon, Britt, etc, shows that these guys act like morons on a regular basis. Chad (don't call me Ocho) Johnson can't even decide on what his name should be. T.O. held a shirtless press conference in his driveway (and did pushups). And my all time favorite Mensa Member, Rae Carruth. Police found him hiding in a car trunk with a pee jar and candy bars.

Wallace could show up tomorrow and play the full season, or he could retire from football and study holistic medicine. (see Ricky Williams) Either of these things wouldn't surprise me in the least.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

How long did Hines holdout for? I think that's how long Wallace will holdout as well.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Lol at all the sour grapes steelers fans calling wallace a one trick pony now after arguing so vehemently that he isn't exactly that.

Better then being a li'l ##### who just comes in and talks about Steeler fans and not Wallace, the Steelers and the current contract situation.I answered your last question snipe at the Steeler fans, and this is theonly thing you have posted since then.

 

[apalmer]

Pretty sure it is around 10 per for a WR.

yup, sorry

and fyi -- 50 is actually >>>>> 15

fyi not all of a contract is guaranteed while a franchise tag isregardless, I don't think he would regard a franchise tag as a threat, because it's actually enough money to be worth playing fornow the question for the Steelers is: IF Wallace is willing to sit out the first 10 games (and I have no idea if he is or not) AND they are willing to pay him franchise money NEXT year, why not pay franchise money now to get him to play THIS year?

holy jesus christ.stop posting

Perfectly legitimate question.

Perfectly legitimate. Let's recap: "Franchise money" = $10 million/yr., so if the Steelers are willing to pay $10 million next year, why did they only offer a 5 year/$50 million deal now instead of offering him $10 million/year over that stretch?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Pretty sure it is around 10 per for a WR.

yup, sorry

and fyi -- 50 is actually >>>>> 15

fyi not all of a contract is guaranteed while a franchise tag isregardless, I don't think he would regard a franchise tag as a threat, because it's actually enough money to be worth playing fornow the question for the Steelers is: IF Wallace is willing to sit out the first 10 games (and I have no idea if he is or not) AND they are willing to pay him franchise money NEXT year, why not pay franchise money now to get him to play THIS year?

holy jesus christ.stop posting

Perfectly legitimate question.

Perfectly legitimate. Let's recap: "Franchise money" = $10 million/yr., so if the Steelers are willing to pay $10 million next year, why did they only offer a 5 year/$50 million deal now instead of offering him $10 million/year over that stretch?

well, factor in that in our imagination the franchise tag is 15m/yr, so we have something to ##### about, and I'm surprised anybody ever gets tagged. maybe the answer is flash cards.if the franchise tag is "enough money to be worth playing for", how is 5x that not enough to come into camp?or maybe wallace went to school with this guy.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Larry I was waiting but didn't see the link where you have a clue about running an NFL franchise.

A $50 million dollar contract over 5 years doesn't mean that any part of the contract is guaranteed and certainly not that the Steelers were offering Wallace $10 million guaranteed to play this season, they didn't and couldn't even if they wanted to because they only have $2 million available on the cap for this season and the highest that can be extended is up to $6 million by accounting finagling.

Next year the Steelers won't franchise Wallace because he would be guaranteed the average of the top-five WRs in the NFL over $10 million GUARANTEED to play for one year not some back loaded contract where he'd never see the back end loaded portion of the contract if he didn't perform or got injured. Its called funny-money for the reason that it rarely gets paid.

So I'm glad you have a clue about running an NFL franchise, still don't see the link, but you don't know WTF you're talking about with contracts. Hell I don't even have a clue about how to run an NFL franchise and I'm not a contract guy but I know that little bit that seems to elude you.

The Steelers didn't offer $10 million up front to Wallace this year and they won't next year so they won't franchise him next year.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Larry I was waiting but didn't see the link where you have a clue about running an NFL franchise.

A $50 million dollar contract over 5 years doesn't mean that any part of the contract is guaranteed and certainly not that the Steelers were offering Wallace $10 million guaranteed to play this season, they didn't and couldn't even if they wanted to because they only have $2 million available on the cap for this season and the highest that can be extended is up to $6 million by accounting finagling.

Next year the Steelers won't franchise Wallace because he would be guaranteed the average of the top-five WRs in the NFL over $10 million GUARANTEED to play for one year not some back loaded contract where he'd never see the back end loaded portion of the contract if he didn't perform or got injured. Its called funny-money for the reason that it rarely gets paid.

So I'm glad you have a clue about running an NFL franchise, still don't see the link, but you don't know WTF you're talking about with contracts. Hell I don't even have a clue about how to run an NFL franchise and I'm not a contract guy but I know that little bit that seems to elude you.

The Steelers didn't offer $10 million up front to Wallace this year and they won't next year so they won't franchise him next year.

you should make that your sig.and maybe stick to opining on subjects you're a little more familiar with.

apparently, 'that little bit' you know is the approximate value of the tag -- not the derivation, just the approximate amount, so I'll give you credit for at least being one up on that other knucklehead.

and it's true, I don't run an nfl franchise.

but, I may be starting a newsletter.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Larry I was waiting but didn't see the link where you have a clue about running an NFL franchise.

A $50 million dollar contract over 5 years doesn't mean that any part of the contract is guaranteed and certainly not that the Steelers were offering Wallace $10 million guaranteed to play this season, they didn't and couldn't even if they wanted to because they only have $2 million available on the cap for this season and the highest that can be extended is up to $6 million by accounting finagling.

Next year the Steelers won't franchise Wallace because he would be guaranteed the average of the top-five WRs in the NFL over $10 million GUARANTEED to play for one year not some back loaded contract where he'd never see the back end loaded portion of the contract if he didn't perform or got injured. Its called funny-money for the reason that it rarely gets paid.

So I'm glad you have a clue about running an NFL franchise, still don't see the link, but you don't know WTF you're talking about with contracts. Hell I don't even have a clue about how to run an NFL franchise and I'm not a contract guy but I know that little bit that seems to elude you.

The Steelers didn't offer $10 million up front to Wallace this year and they won't next year so they won't franchise him next year.

you should make that your sig.and maybe stick to opining on subjects you're a little more familiar with.

apparently, 'that little bit' you know is the approximate value of the tag -- not the derivation, just the approximate amount, so I'll give you credit for at least being one up on that other knucklehead.

and it's true, I don't run an nfl franchise.

but, I may be starting a newsletter.

I would kindly offer you the same advice on opining on subjects you're a lil more familiar with.

 

[craxie]

Perfectly legitimate. Let's recap: "Franchise money" = $10 million/yr., so if the Steelers are willing to pay $10 million next year, why did they only offer a 5 year/$50 million deal now instead of offering him $10 million/year over that stretch?

You just make my point clearer.Riddle me this: If that's what they think he's worth, why don't they offer a $10/mill one-year contract?

 

[Sabertooth]

Lol at all the sour grapes steelers fans calling wallace a one trick pony now after arguing so vehemently that he isn't exactly that.

Better then being a li'l ##### who just comes in and talks about Steeler fans and not Wallace, the Steelers and the current contract situation.I answered your last question snipe at the Steeler fans, and this is theonly thing you have posted since then.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Perfectly legitimate. Let's recap: "Franchise money" = $10 million/yr., so if the Steelers are willing to pay $10 million next year, why did they only offer a 5 year/$50 million deal now instead of offering him $10 million/year over that stretch?

You just make my point clearer.Riddle me this: If that's what they think he's worth, why don't they offer a $10/mill one-year contract?

This has got to be schtick

 

[Touchdown There]

Perfectly legitimate. Let's recap: "Franchise money" = $10 million/yr., so if the Steelers are willing to pay $10 million next year, why did they only offer a 5 year/$50 million deal now instead of offering him $10 million/year over that stretch?

You just make my point clearer.Riddle me this: If that's what they think he's worth, why don't they offer a $10/mill one-year contract?

Excellent question again. I am 99% sure that Wallace would have signed a one year deal for 10MM. It did not happen because it would have been fully guaranteed and they could not spread the cap hit to future years. In short, they do not have the cap space. Also, they would owe him 12MM next year to keep him.

Franchise Tag RulesAn owner can franchise a player for the average of the top 5 salaries at the position OR 20% over his current salary, whichever is greater. This is a tender offer that sets the starting point for the bidding. If the owner chooses not to match the high bid, the new owner gives up a 1st in the next draft and a 1st in the following draft. If an owner does not have those picks available, he/she can not make a valid bid. If the new owner has multiple picks in a round, he/she gives up the highest available. If no one bids on the player or the original owner chooses to match, the player is signed at the highest bid (or tender offer) for 1 year.

How about the homers answer this one: How much is Mike Wallace worth in 2012?

 

[Kenny Powers]

How about the homers answer this one: How much is Mike Wallace worth in 2012?

Approximately $2.7 million dolares

 

[Touchdown There]

How about the homers answer this one: How much is Mike Wallace worth in 2012?

Approximately $2.7 million dolares

And there it is. See post #100. I have been correct on all accounts in this thread. This is exactly why Mike Wallace is not dumb enough to sign that tender under the guise of a long-term contract.Homers want to hose Mike Wallace.

 

[apalmer]

Perfectly legitimate. Let's recap: "Franchise money" = $10 million/yr., so if the Steelers are willing to pay $10 million next year, why did they only offer a 5 year/$50 million deal now instead of offering him $10 million/year over that stretch?

You just make my point clearer.Riddle me this: If that's what they think he's worth, why don't they offer a $10/mill one-year contract?

Because that's the going rate for a WR of his ability on a long-term contract? Riddle me this: Do you seriously think any team is going to offer him (or any other WR for that matter) $10+ million for a one year contract?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Update by Colbert on the Mike Wallace holdout.

My link

On Mike Wallace’s no-show from Steelers training camp:

“Yeah there’s really no contact.

If there’s an opportunity still to sign Wallace to a long term deal this summer:

“Really the only thing we know is the opportunity to sign a tender. Beyond that, there’s absolutely nothing in the plans, nothing in the works.

 

[Beerguzzler]

Do these ploys ever work by restricted FA's? VJ got burned by it badly and eventually ended up signing for the minimum tender after his was lowered at the start of the season. I see the same thing happening with Wallace. Restricted guys have like zero leverage.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Do these ploys ever work by restricted FA's? VJ got burned by it badly and eventually ended up signing for the minimum tender after his was lowered at the start of the season. I see the same thing happening with Wallace. Restricted guys have like zero leverage.

From his side, he thought it was worth the chance.

 

[Touchdown There]

Do these ploys ever work by restricted FA's? VJ got burned by it badly and eventually ended up signing for the minimum tender after his was lowered at the start of the season. I see the same thing happening with Wallace. Restricted guys have like zero leverage.

VJax was burned really, really bad. The Chargers went on to win the Super Bowl and then no one wanted him in free agency. No leverage at all.

 

[Tau837]

Do these ploys ever work by restricted FA's? VJ got burned by it badly and eventually ended up signing for the minimum tender after his was lowered at the start of the season. I see the same thing happening with Wallace. Restricted guys have like zero leverage.

VJax was burned really, really bad. The Chargers went on to win the Super Bowl and then no one wanted him in free agency. No leverage at all.

Jackson was burned. The Chargers offense was great without him in 2010 -- 2nd in points, 1st in yards, 2nd in passing yards... and Rivers led the NFL in passing yards. And Jackson lost more than $2M that season that he will never make back. He also may have cost the Chargers making the playoffs, thereby denying himself a postseason opportunity that he'll never get back and a chance to showcase himself on the league's biggest stage.Did he get a great contract anyway? Yes, but he would have gotten a great contract without holding out. And he may have gotten a better contract.

 

[treat88]

Wallace will get a similar deal as Jackson when/if he actually becomes a UFA like Jackson did after sitting out 10 games in 2010 and playing on a franchise tag in 2011.

At this point, that's the path he's looking at traveling to get UFA money....because no matter how often it is intentionally overlooked he is not a UFA yet, so he isn't going to be compensated like one yet.

His choice is to go that route or sign a deal with less guaranteed money now, but a huge boost from where he is at currently and without the risk of injury.

I don't think sitting out will effect his value on the market, but the Steelers are going to damn skippy sure use that franchise tag threat to try to negotiate the best deal possible for them. Maybe they do tag him, maybe they don't, but they aren't going to tip that hand til as late in the process as possible because they definitely want to retain his services.

 

[Touchdown There]

Jackson won. He has his acl. He is rolling in dough. Chargers missed playoffs. The stats are meaningless. AJ is on the hot seat.

 

[Beerguzzler]

Lol he didn't win ####, he just got franchised the year afterwards and lost 3 mil in the process. He was gonna get a good contract regardless, holding out did nothing to help him and didn't force the team into forcing a trade or forcing a contract.

 

[Sabertooth]

So is there any actual news on this? I think Wallace comes in before the season starts. When he does, full steam ahead for me. I still think he's their best offensive weapon.

 

[Tau837]

Lol he didn't win ####, he just got franchised the year afterwards and lost 3 mil in the process. He was gonna get a good contract regardless, holding out did nothing to help him and didn't force the team into forcing a trade or forcing a contract.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

So is there any actual news on this? I think Wallace comes in before the season starts. When he does, full steam ahead for me. I still think he's their best offensive weapon.

there's no news, and it's probably a coin flip right now.on the one hand, he stands to lose as much by holding out the 10 games as he's made his entire nfl career to date --- 1.7m is a lot of money to him right now, and I'd imagine he'd rather play football with his team.on the other hand, some serious injury in the first 10 games could cost him much more than that, plus he might just be stubborn about it.

 

[Touchdown There]

Lol he didn't win ####, he just got franchised the year afterwards and lost 3 mil in the process. He was gonna get a good contract regardless, holding out did nothing to help him and didn't force the team into forcing a trade or forcing a contract.

Lolololololololol

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Lol he didn't win ####, he just got franchised the year afterwards and lost 3 mil in the process. He was gonna get a good contract regardless, holding out did nothing to help him and didn't force the team into forcing a trade or forcing a contract.

Lolololololololol

You are skipping the fact that he was damn lucky the Bucs had a salary purge/shuffle based off the CBA loopholes.I dont think we are going to see another team with 45 million dollars of empty cap space in 2 years.Heck you dont have a team with half that amount currently. The one that is even close is Jacksonville .

 

[treat88]

So is there any actual news on this? I think Wallace comes in before the season starts. When he does, full steam ahead for me. I still think he's their best offensive weapon.

No news. No communication. Wallace has to make a commitment to show he wants to be a Steeler before they will negotiate further. Ball is in his court now.Some Steeler players have dropped hints he might report soon but they've done it in less than concrete terms...so who knows.He is their best offensive weapon and if he signs I think his value is right back to baseline.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

before jackson ever signed his 55m bucs deal the reports were that sd was ok with 5x10.

I have no idea what was offered, etc, but if he could've actually signed that deal in the year he sat out he would've banked 10m in 2010 that he never made back on the bucs deal, and never will.

 

[craxie]

He also may have cost the Chargers making the playoffs

So you're saying that maybe the Chargers got burned too?

he would have gotten a great contract without holding out. And he may have gotten a better contract.

assuming he didn't get injured

 

[craxie]

before jackson ever signed his 55m bucs deal the reports were that sd was ok with 5x10.I have no idea what was offered, etc, but if he could've actually signed that deal in the year he sat out he would've banked 10m in 2010 that he never made back on the bucs deal, and never will.

The Chargers never offered a long-term deal, refusing to negotiate till he signed his tender

 

[Tau837]

He also may have cost the Chargers making the playoffs

So you're saying that maybe the Chargers got burned too?

Yes, and I've said so many times.

 

[Tau837]

he would have gotten a great contract without holding out. And he may have gotten a better contract.

assuming he didn't get injured

Well, of course. But it goes beyond just getting injured. He would have had to suffer a major injury that would linger into future seasons for it to have affected his value.Could that happen? Yes, of course. But the odds of that are so low that it isn't worth giving up more than $2M and costing yourself and your teammates a shot at a postseason run. He used stupid logic, and Wallace is doing the same.